Hi Mike Well that is definitely him as most of the details match. It seems that many of our family "acquire" a middle name that was not on their birth certificates and sometimes not on their death certificates. We have always presumed that the birth certificate is correct and excluded the middle name if it was not there. This is the case for our William Ward. His death certificate does not show a middle name. We do know that his father's name was Robert Ward and his mother Elizabeth (surname unsure but could be Simpson). As I am not in England, is SKS able to tell me how we can get a birth certificate for this person? Obviously there will be some charge for it and we will have to have it mailed to New Zealand. Thanks in advance. Regards, Delwyn Cockrell > From: morrisind@rogers.com> To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:56:00 -0400> Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Ward Bros - business and query re birth of William Ward> > I found the following on the IGI site . Regards> Mike Morris> Toronto Canada> > William Robert Ward> Birth: 1836 Moston, Lancashire, England> > Wife Sarah Heywood> > Birth: 03 MAR 1839 Nutt Rd,Blackley, Lancaster, Lancashire, England> Marriage: 28 OCT 1860 St Johns Church, Lancaster, Lancashire, England> Death: 17 Jul 1909> Father: Lambert Heywood> Mother: Sally Walto OR w u> > h: 28 APR 1900> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D C" <dc_kiwi_nz@hotmail.com>> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 6:13 AM> Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Ward Bros - business and query re birth of William > Ward> > > > I am a direct descendant of one of his brothers named William Ward, born > > 1836.> > > By the way, if William was born after his parents became members of a> > church that did not baptise babies but only believing adults, is there> > another way of finding his birth online? The IGI shows the birth if the> > children up to and including John but not William born 1836 or George> > bornabout 1840. <snipped>> > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~> > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list.> Other people can learn from them!> > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Free Windows Live software. Chat, search, share pics and more http://get.live.com/

Delwyn As the birth is apparently 1836 there were no Certificates then. Birth registration was not introduced until latter half of 1837 [and even then it was not compulsory until 1872] so the only record would be a baptism from a church, assuming that the family attended a church Terry Heath Cheltenham UK

Hi Terry Yes they definitely attended a church. By the time they came to New Zealand in 1862, William and his family were member of a group known as Disciples of Christ who became Associated Churches of Christ in New Zealand. That church does not believe in baptising children which is why I wonder if William and his younger brother George were baptised at all as children. Siblings older than William were as I can find them in the familysearch Mormon search website. Have always wondered about that one. Thank you very much for your helpful notes about when registration was and was not required. That is very interesting. Regards, Delwyn Cockrell > From: th005c0859@blueyonder.co.uk > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:45:49 +0100 > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Query re birth of William Ward > > Delwyn > As the birth is apparently 1836 there were no Certificates then. Birth > registration was not introduced until latter half of 1837 [and even then it > was not compulsory until 1872] so the only record would be a baptism from a > church, assuming that the family attended a church > Terry Heath > Cheltenham UK > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Free Windows Live software. Chat, search, share pics and more http://get.live.com/