Mike, is the Old Shambles that you refer to below the same location for the Shambles Pub today? Noel Luke Phoenix, AZ -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 6:52 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] Location of Smithy Door and Old Shambles Hi Ruth, Smithy Door and Old Shambles were still around in 1844. I will send you a map of these streets. Actually Smithy Door was just across the street from Old Shambles. They were both market areas. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <RuthGenda@aol.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 4:42 AM > I think it was me who started this trail. I am searching for more/any > information > > Just to fill out John's story - he started his commercial life as a > hairdresser, 6 Old Shambles, in 1794 Scholes Directory and in Scholes 1797 > he was a hair-dresser, seedsman and florist, 2 Smithy-door! None of > these addresses mean anything to me <snipped> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Shambles pub was moved from its original location, but I would say its in the same general area. Which was to the south of the cathedral, in the middle between Deansgate and Corporation street and north of St Anns square. The old pub is behind Marks and Spencers store its in a lovely setting, not a bit like the first place they moved it to. Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel Luke" <noellukeasa@cox.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 2:48 PM > Mike, is the Old Shambles that you refer to below the same location for > the Shambles Pub today? <snip>

Hi Noel, My turn to butt in, as I think Mike is in Toronto but I am in Greater Manchester. Manchester has changed a lot since the Bomb blast a few years ago, and I know the Shambles moved slightly. If you follow this link, all is revealed! http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.mcdonagh1/old%20shambles.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Noel Luke To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Location of Smithy Door and Old Shambles Mike, is the Old Shambles that you refer to below the same location for the Shambles Pub today? Noel Luke Phoenix, AZ