Hello Dave, I have access to quite a few films covering marriages at Manchester Cathedral, however, unfortunately, not the film which covers the marriage you are looking for (LDS film 438213). In case you or others are not aware, if you are close to a Family History Library, you can order the film from Salt Lake City for a small fee to cover postage ($7 in Canada) and then you can view it on a film reader the FHL. They will hold the film there for approximately 1 month before it has to be returned to Salt Lake. Hope this helps. From: Dcellwood@aol.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] Lookup Request (Patrick Toole b 1832) To: ENG-MANCHESTER@rootsweb.com Has anyone access to Manchester Cathedral Records ? I am looking for the marriage of Patrick Toole and Margaret Kelly on 14 JUL 1851 (information taken from the IGI). I'm interested in any additional information such as Addresses, Fathers names etc. Thanks all Dave Campbell <snip> Sheila Johnston London, Ontario CANADA sjohnston17@yahoo.ca --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail

I'm curious about this. I have never seen the actual film for one of these references (i.e. IGI). What is included on the film that is not mentioned on the LDS site (FamilySearch)? Is there usually additional information? I've been making the assumption (silly, I know) that whatever was on the film was on the website. Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Johnston" <sjohnston17@yahoo.ca> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Manchester cathedral marriages lookup > Hello Dave, > I have access to quite a few films covering marriages at Manchester > Cathedral, however, unfortunately, not the film which covers the marriage > you are looking for (LDS film 438213). In case you or others are not > aware, if you are close to a Family History Library, you can order the > film from Salt Lake City for a small fee to cover postage ($7 in Canada) > and then you can view it on a film reader the FHL. They will hold the film > there for approximately 1 month before it has to be returned to Salt Lake. > > Hope this helps. >

What is on the film varies enormously by time, date, event, place and even who did the actual writing. The information required on parish registers was not strictly controlled in the very early years but sometimes the vicar or curate or clerk who wrote the entries would put in lots of extra details. It's very exciting to find such an entry but alas fairly unusual. Typically a baptism would record the date of baptism, the baby's name, the father's name. Additional details might include the mother's name, the father's occupation and some clue about address etc. but you can't guarantee to see any of those. A marriage often just recorded the name of the groom and the name of the bride. Sometimes not even her name was recorded. I've seen marriages which said something along the lines of "John Smith married Mrs Smith this day....". But more often you would have her name and maiden surname but not much else. A burial would often just give the name and date sometimes "wife of" but never "husband of". Mostly an infant or young child's burial would give parentage but not always. In some areas the time period from 1798 to 1812 is particularly good because of the wealth of information recorded. Many parishes in Yorkshire and Co. Durham fall into this category. Baptisms give date of birth, date of baptism, child's name, father's name, occupation and place of birth, mother's name and maiden surname and her place of birth and occasionally her father's name too. Burials give date of death, date of burial, age, name and descent or origin etc. In 1813 new regulations came into force which actually provided less information in some cases. Printed forms were available and the clergy filled them out. Baptisms record, date of baptism, forenames for the child, father and mother, their surname, their abode, father's occupation and the name of the officiant at the ceremony. Marriages record name of bride and groom and the parish that they were living in at the time of marriage, their condition (i.e. bachelor, widow etc.), date of the marriage, whether by banns or licence, whether with consent of parents or not, name of the officiant, signatures or marks for the bride and groom, and signatures or marks for 2 or 3 witnesses. Burial record, date of burial, name and surname, age, abode and name of officiant. But usually no parents' names for deceased children and no spousal names for married folks too. It's quite hard to be able to make much use of these unless the names are unusual. This state of affairs continued up to 1837 when civil registration began and births, marriages and deaths were recorded. This is a very quick and dirty summary and I've probably made some mistakes but it will give you a rough idea of what to expect and what not to count on. Best wishes, Irene PS Manchester Cathedral (Collegiate church) records, because there are so many of them, are particularly terse most of the time.

Can someone remind me? Was the water damaged census the 1861? I'm trying to find George Howland, born 1848 in High Wycombe. Father is Solomon Howland. Mother is Ann Willoughby. I've got him for 1851, 1871, and 1881, but not a trace of any of them for 1861. In 1851, they were at 28 Newland in High Wycombe.1871 George was in H.W. 1881 George was in Manchester. Thanks in advance, Daryl