From: "Jim Whitton" <birdboot@btinternet.com> > I have obtained a certificate showing birth of Susanna Wesley > ROGERSON on 21/10/1841, registered at London Rd on 30/10 1841. I also have a > certificate showing death of her mother, Elizabeth ROGERSON, on > 29/10/1841,also registered on 30/10/1841. > > I also have a certificate showing birth of Elizabeth ROGERSON, to > the same parents, on the same date, but at a different address, registered at > the neighbouring district of Ancoats on 26/11/1841. > > I suspect that the father must have decided to rename Susanna after > her mother's death and so went to another district and gave a > fictitious, or perhaps a relation's, address. Has anyone else come across such a > case?> I presume you are absolutely certain it was the same child? Could it have been a different child but with the same named parents? Coincidences are ten a penny in genealogy! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

I have obtained a certificate showing birth of Susanna Wesley ROGERSON on 21/10/1841, registered at London Rd on 30/10 1841. I also have a certificate showing death of her mother, Elizabeth ROGERSON, on 29/10/1841, also registered on 30/10/1841. I also have a certificate showing birth of Elizabeth ROGERSON, to the same parents, on the same date, but at a different address, registered at the neighbouring district of Ancoats on 26/11/1841. I suspect that the father must have decided to rename Susanna after her mother's death and so went to another district and gave a fictitious, or perhaps a relation's, address. Has anyone else come across such a case? Jim Whitton

Hello all, Paul Dixon, the co-ordinator for Lancs OPC, has asked me to forward the following message: "The Lancashire Online Parish Clerks Search function will be offline briefly starting at approximately 11pm GMT on Monday 28th January. This is a scheduled maintenance and update which is not expected to take long, a couple of hours at the most. Users attempting to access the Search function during this maintenance period will receive a page informing that Search is not currently available." Regards, Sally

>From the Lancashire Telegraph (http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/chorley/10166262.Family_history_research_project_in_Chorley/): "Family history research project in Chorley "The Chorley Remembers project is holding two workshops for people to find out how to research their family’s involvement in military conflicts. "They will take place on March 11 and April 8, at 6pm in the community history section of Chorley Library. There will be a presentation by the Chorley branch of the Lancashire Family History Society, and time to use the library’s computers. "Places are limited, call 0845 467 1916 to book." http://www.lfhhs.org.uk/chorley/index.htm

Hello everyone, This morning's visit to the Lancs OPC website found the following records have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ 22 January 2013 Marriages 1695 to 1744 and Burials 1701 to 1744 from the Parish of Cockerham Baptisms 1935 to 1953 from the Church of St Nathaniel, Platt Bridge, in the Parish of Hindley Marriages 1838 to 1839 from the Church of St Our Lady and St Nicholas, Liverpool Banns 1880 to 1889 from Immanuel in the Parish of Oswaldtwistle Baptisms 2000 to 2012, Banns 1993 to 2012, Burials 2011 to 2012 and Confirmations 1942 to 2011 from the Church of St Leonard in the Parish of Padiham Burials 2011 to 2012 from Padiham Cemetery Burials 1893 to 1897 from Rawtenstall Cemetery, Rawtenstall in Rossendale Regards, Sally

Good morning Listers, This morning's visit to the OPC website found the following databases have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 21 January 2013 Marriages 1927 to 1952 from the Church of St John the Evangelist, Abram Marriages 1906 to 1964 from the Church of St James and St Elizabeth, Bickershaw, in the Parish of Abram Baptisms and Burials 1766 to 1790 from the Church of St James, Accrington Marriages 1909 to 1942 from Scott Lane Primitive Methodist Chapel, Aspull Moor, in the Town of Wigan Marriages 1922 to 1954 from the Church of St Aidan in the Parish of Billinge Marriages 1947 to 1957 from the Church of St George, Bolton Marriages 1918 to 1924 from the Church of St Mark, Bolton Baptisms 1901 to 1909 and Burials 1901 to 1902 from the Church of St John the Divine, Pemberton The respective Registers being updated and completed using the Original Registers at Wigan Archives Marriages 1918 to 1925 from the Church of St Andrew in the Town of Wigan Baptisms 1925 to 1936 from St Catharine, Scholes, in the Town of Wigan Regards, Sally

Morning all, Today's visit to the Lancs OPC website found the following records have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html The search engine was last updated on 9th January, so all records - except those shown below - are included if you choose to use it. 18 January 2013 Burials 1844 to 1849 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Ashton under Lyne Baptisms 1898 to 1901 and Marriages 1837 to 1841, 1850 to 1857 and 1889 to 1896 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Burnley Burials 2012 from Burnley Cemetery Updated to include the Burials from the last part of 2012 Baptisms 1796 to 1799 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Eccles Banns 1849 to 1900 from the Church of St Andrew in the Parish of Leyland Marriages 1834 from the Collegiate Church, in the City of Manchester Baptisms 1863 to 1881 from Stamford Rd Wesleyan Methodist in the Parish of Mossley Baptisms 1861 to 1862 and Marriages 1854 to 1855 and 1860 from St John in the Town of Preston Burials 1927 to 1938 from the Church of St Paul, Walkden Marriages and Burials 1773 to 1782 from the Church of St Leonard in the Parish of Walton le Dale Regards, Sally

From: Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> To: SEND MAIL MANCHESTER <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ENG-MAN] : Manchester street scene Send reply to: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > The following site shows a busy central Manchester street scene in > the early 1900's.  > >  Its simply amazing how this Copper can control  the traffic.     >    http://youtu.be/z0QkJNqYpFM > > >  Mike Morris > Toronto Canada> Many thanks for drawing our attention to this site, Mike. I hadn't come across it before but I've now bookmarked it because it has a number of very interesting films on it - not least of which are some showing Bradford, where I was born, and Halifax where I grew up and had my first job (if a true-blue Yorkshireman may apologise for intruding on a Lancashire List!) -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Thanks for that Mike, A very interesting snippet of Manchester life ! Regards Phillip Brooks On 18 Jan 2013, at 02:45 PM, "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> wrote: > The following site shows a busy central Manchester street scene in the early 1900's. > > Its simply amazing how this Copper can control the traffic. http://youtu.be/z0QkJNqYpFM > > > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain privileged information. If you are not the addressee or if you have received this e-mail in error, it may be unlawful to read, copy, distribute, disclose or otherwise use the information which it contains. It would be helpful if you could notify the sender of the error and under the circumstances, please delete this e-mail from your system. Any views expressed by an individual within this e-mail do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. The company will not be bound by any agreement entered into as a result of this e-mail, unless its intention is clearly evidenced by contract. Whilst we have taken reasonable steps to ensure that this e-mail and any attachments are free from viruses, recipients are advised to subject this e-mail to their own virus checking in keeping with good computing practice as we do not accept any liability for any such matters or their consequences.

Hello All Did Father Christmas bring you the wrong CD of memorial inscriptions? Do you have CDs of the 1881 census moldering in your cupboard? Perhaps you have unwanted boxes of family research magazines or family history society journals or you're looking for trade directories, MI transcriptions, or similar items. Did you know that you can buy and sell these and similar items on RootsWeb? No, not on this list where commercial posts are prohibited, but you can post on the lists specifically created for buying and selling. Post your items for sale or post your wish list on one of RootsWeb's Genealogical Materials lists. If you have or want items pertaining to the United Kingdom or if you live in the UK, I have just the list for you: GEN-MAT-UKI. The GEN-MAT-UKI list is for "anyone with an interest in the buying or selling of new or used genealogy materials (e.g., books, newsletters, CDs, magazines) in or relating to the United Kingdom and Ireland. Publishers of newsletters, books, or other materials relating to genealogy are welcome, as are resellers of any form of used genealogical materials, be they businesses or individuals cleaning bookshelves. Purchases are arranged in private posting between the buyer and the seller rather than on the list." Subscription to the list is as usual. Follow the directions on the list's home page at <http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Genealogical_Materials/GEN-MAT-UKI.html> or use the handy links provided there. Just like all of the other RootsWeb lists, you can't post photos or attachments, but on the good side, it is completely free. No need to pay fees to an auction site! Any questions? Contact the list's administrator at <GEN-MAT-UKI-admin@rootsweb.com>. I can promise you a quick and friendly response. Best wishes, Lynne

Additions from our friends at Lancashire BMD: 17 January 2013 Added 36 Births for Burnley RD comprising: Briercliffe (1936-1937) Added 9,449 Births for Salford RD comprising: Barton on Irwell (1905-1905); Broughton (1905-1905); Salford Greengate (1905-1905); Pendleton (1905-1905); Salford Regent Road (1905-1905); Worsley (1905-1905) Amended 20,022 Births for Burnley RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Colne (1856-1878) ~ ~ ~ ~ Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

Thanks for that, Mike. Looked like total pandemonium! I held my breath throughout the entire film, waiting for one of those pedestrians to get knocked down and crushed by the horses and carts. It even looked like one boy walked under a moving cart to get to the other side of the street. Lynne ike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> wrote: > >The following site shows a busy central Manchester street scene in the early 1900's.  > > Its simply amazing how this Copper can control  the traffic.        http://youtu.be/z0QkJNqYpFM > > > Mike Morris >Toronto Canada

The following site shows a busy central Manchester street scene in the early 1900's.   Its simply amazing how this Copper can control  the traffic.        http://youtu.be/z0QkJNqYpFM  Mike Morris Toronto Canada

Hello Sally, Thank you for your prompt reply. That is appreciated although I'm afraid the explanation isn't. I was checking my spelling for a long time thinking I had made a mistake somewhere. So I am presumably supposed to enter the wrong spelling in order to get the answer. Who would have thought of that! I will be contacting the site directly via the Quill Pen image. Thanks again - my frustration is not with you. Christine -----Original Message----- From: sally roberts Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 8:52 AM To: eng-man Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Lancashire OPC (searching surnames query) Hello Christine, I received a reply from Paul Dixon at Lancs OPC regarding your query - he's not a member of the Manchester list so has asked me to send this explanation round. "The effect described occurs due to the way we group names to return all variant names from a given name. For search, it only allows the used of accepted variants of a name, even though the search results return both accepted and unusual variants. Thornbory is considered to be a recognisable but unusual variant, so is not accepted as the search term. The simplest example can be demonstrated with the name John. There are a number of cases where the name is actually written Jhon. We do not consider this an accepted variant so searches may not be conducted using Jhon, though any name entered as Jhon is returned when the search name John is entered. I hope that explains the issue. Regards, Paul Dixon Carrollton, Texas Coordinator, Lancashire Online Parish Clerks" Regards, Sally PS. Queries can be made to the website directly by clicking on the Quill Pen image shown on the pages. ---------------------------------------- > From: christinebenson313@btinternet.com > To: ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 00:11:31 +0000 > Subject: [ENG-MAN] Lancashire OPC > > Hi All, > > Thomas Henry THORNBORY was baptised 26 Sep 1858 at St Mary, Manchester, son > of John and Theresa. When I look for him on Lancs OPC using his forenames he > comes up. When I insert his surname it tells me there is no match for this > name in the surname field. If I just insert the surname and no other details > it tells me there is no match. > > Am I doing something silly or has the software got a bug? > > Christine

Hello Christine, I received a reply from Paul Dixon at Lancs OPC regarding your query - he's not a member of the Manchester list so has asked me to send this explanation round. "The effect described occurs due to the way we group names to return all variant names from a given name. For search, it only allows the used of accepted variants of a name, even though the search results return both accepted and unusual variants. Thornbory is considered to be a recognisable but unusual variant, so is not accepted as the search term. The simplest example can be demonstrated with the name John. There are a number of cases where the name is actually written Jhon. We do not consider this an accepted variant so searches may not be conducted using Jhon, though any name entered as Jhon is returned when the search name John is entered. I hope that explains the issue. Regards, Paul Dixon Carrollton, Texas Coordinator, Lancashire Online Parish Clerks" Regards, Sally PS. Queries can be made to the website directly by clicking on the Quill Pen image shown on the pages. ---------------------------------------- > From: christinebenson313@btinternet.com > To: ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 00:11:31 +0000 > Subject: [ENG-MAN] Lancashire OPC > > Hi All, > > Thomas Henry THORNBORY was baptised 26 Sep 1858 at St Mary, Manchester, son > of John and Theresa. When I look for him on Lancs OPC using his forenames he > comes up. When I insert his surname it tells me there is no match for this > name in the surname field. If I just insert the surname and no other details > it tells me there is no match. > > Am I doing something silly or has the software got a bug? > > Christine

Hello Christine, I will forward your email to the Co-Ordinators and hopefully they'll be able to sort out what the issue is. Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > From: christinebenson313@btinternet.com > To: ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 00:11:31 +0000 > Subject: [ENG-MAN] Lancashire OPC > > Hi All, > > Thomas Henry THORNBORY was baptised 26 Sep 1858 at St Mary, Manchester, son > of John and Theresa. When I look for him on Lancs OPC using his forenames he > comes up. When I insert his surname it tells me there is no match for this > name in the surname field. If I just insert the surname and no other details > it tells me there is no match. > > Am I doing something silly or has the software got a bug? > > Christine

Hi All, Thomas Henry THORNBORY was baptised 26 Sep 1858 at St Mary, Manchester, son of John and Theresa. When I look for him on Lancs OPC using his forenames he comes up. When I insert his surname it tells me there is no match for this name in the surname field. If I just insert the surname and no other details it tells me there is no match. Am I doing something silly or has the software got a bug? Christine

Hi All, I now think I have found found her as Amelia CROWSDALE in 1891 and Amelia J CROASDALE in 1901 both times born 1864 working as a servant. But if she had reverted to her maiden name why was she buried with her married name. And I still can't find her in 1911. (I have found that the Amelia CROASDALE with father Joseph was a different person.) Christine -----Original Message----- From: Christine Benson Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:23 PM To: Manchester Mailing List Subject: [ENG-MAN] John THORNBORY - divorce Hi All, John THORNBORY married Amelia CROASDALE on 30 Aug 1885 in Manchester. From the new divorce records on Ancestry I find a divorce filed on 10 Apr 1890 on grounds of her adultery with George Frederick YARDLEY and decree nisi given on 28 Feb 1891. Amelia was born 1860, Chorlton reg. district, Manchester, father Henry. Two questions:- I find no reference to a decree absolute. Does that mean there wasn't one or would there be no documentation of it or it would not have made it onto Ancestry. I cannot find Amelia in 1891. There was a daughter Mary (Sep 1887-Q1 1891) and a son John but I cannot find a death or remarriage for Amelia. (I have found a marriage for an Amelia CROASDALE b 1873, father Joseph, on 22 Jan 1895 but that seems a lot of lies. On the other hand I would not expect to find many Amelia CROASDALE's. ) Can anyone find her and what surname would you expect to find her under before a potential remarriage? Of course if she just moved in with someone it could be next to impossible to find her. But there is a death for an Amelia THORNBURY (sic) in Stockport in 1931 which fits and several online trees think this is her. This suggests she did not remarry but she could have cohabited. I have looked for George Frederick YARDLEY, there are a lot of possibilities, one more likely than others, but no Amelia with those I examined. Any help gratefully received. Christine

Hi All, John THORNBORY married Amelia CROASDALE on 30 Aug 1885 in Manchester. From the new divorce records on Ancestry I find a divorce filed on 10 Apr 1890 on grounds of her adultery with George Frederick YARDLEY and decree nisi given on 28 Feb 1891. Amelia was born 1860, Chorlton reg. district, Manchester, father Henry. Two questions:- I find no reference to a decree absolute. Does that mean there wasn't one or would there be no documentation of it or it would not have made it onto Ancestry. I cannot find Amelia in 1891. There was a daughter Mary (Sep 1887-Q1 1891) and a son John but I cannot find a death or remarriage for Amelia. (I have found a marriage for an Amelia CROASDALE b 1873, father Joseph, on 22 Jan 1895 but that seems a lot of lies. On the other hand I would not expect to find many Amelia CROASDALE's. ) Can anyone find her and what surname would you expect to find her under before a potential remarriage? Of course if she just moved in with someone it could be next to impossible to find her. But there is a death for an Amelia THORNBURY (sic) in Stockport in 1931 which fits and several online trees think this is her. This suggests she did not remarry but she could have cohabited. I have looked for George Frederick YARDLEY, there are a lot of possibilities, one more likely than others, but no Amelia with those I examined. Any help gratefully received. Christine

Hello, Well i had a look, it would be something that would take a bit of work to figure out how Nancy is connected to Lucy, but it can be done and looks likely I found out that the original Samuel Barton married Mary Guest at St Nicholas Liverpool 1763. This is the only marriage coming up. Samuel and Mary's children were Mary C: 25 Dec 1765 Sarah C: 21 Jun 1767 Samuel C: 26 Dec 1768 Nathaniel C: 26 Dec 1770 All were Christened at Manchester Cathedral. Samuel married Ann Wrigley at Manchester Cathedral 13 July 1789 A Nancy seems to have been christened to John Barton and Martha Wilkinson 22 May 1786 at St Nicholas, Liverpool. It could be your Nancy. It is likely they are related but as i say would take work to figure out how. Regards Louise Wortley On 15 Jan 2013, at 04:32, Nick Wilson wrote: > Hello Louise, > > I would call that a pretty big look. Many thanks for your help. My great, > great grandfather Thomas Wilson, married into the Rhodes family twice > firstly to a daughter of William and Nancy and when she died to a daughter > of William's brother, James and Wermyss. The first was Mary and the second > was Barbara. Between them they gave him five sons and a daughter who was > born just days before he died (in India). > > My information on the Bartons has always been very skimpy and came from a > distant Canadian Rhodes cousin. He gave me a brief handwritten tree > scribbled on the back of a piece of company letterhead and NOW on re-reading > it more closely it seems that Nancy was probably the daughter of a brother > of Samuel's, name unknown, OR even a child of Samuel Barton and Ann Wrigley, > maybe the last of the litter, and so an aunt of Lucy's. Is there any way you > can check this for me through the cathedral records? I would be most > grateful if you could. Nancy married William under licence in 1804 which > probably meant she was under the age of consent, which is why I gave her a > birthdate of 1785, i.e aged 19, but she could have been younger. > > Again thanks for your help > > Nick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Louise Wortley" <wortleylouise@gmail.com> > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:07 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] NANCY RHODES nee BARTON, born in Manchester, c.1785 > > >> Evening Nick, >> >> I have had a little look for you, >> >> I traced Lucy Barton she was christened Manchester Cathedral to a Samuel >> and Ann, so it does look like Nancy and Lucy could be sisters from the >> info you gave on Nancy's parents, although i cannot find a christening for >> Nancy, nor a marriage??? Nancy Barton is the one you stated married >> William, your 3x great grandparents? i'm just checking i have it right. >> >> There were a few siblings for Lucy >> >> George 1796 >> Alice 1798 >> Esther 1800 >> James 1804 >> Thomas 1806 >> >> All above apart from Lucy the abode states Prescot, and father Samuel was >> a Joiner. >> >> I found Thomas and Lucy Rhodes living in the Channel Islands in the 1851 >> and 1861, and Thomas is an Engineer. Their marriage is 19 Feb 1815, Saint >> Nicholas, Liverpool. >> >> I found the marriage of the grandparents Samuel and Mary Guest, it was >> Manchester Cathedral 21st December 1763. >> >> All the best, >> >> Louise Wortley >> >> > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message