Hello all, Today's visit to the OPC found the following records have been added, and once again the search engine has been updated to include all records on the site: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 8 February 2013 Baptisms 1890 to 1905 from the Church of St Matthew, in the District of Ardwick, Manchester Baptisms 1700 to 1744 from the Parish of Cockerham Baptisms 1806 to 1807, 1825 to 1828 and 1831 to 1834, Marriages 1929 to 1942 and Burials 1782 to 1797, 1842 to 1846 and 1863 to 1864 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Eccles Burials 1862 to 1873 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Francis of Assisi, in the District of Gorton, Manchester Marriages 1849 to 1851 from the Church of St Mary in the City of Manchester Baptisms 1813 to 1823 from All Saints, in the District of Newton Heath, Manchester 7 February 2013 Marriages 1934 to 1949 from the Church of St Mary, in the district of Hale, Liverpool Marriages 1853 to 1854 and 1862 to 1863 from St John in the Town of Preston Regards, Sally

Hello all, This morning's visit to the OPC website found the following records have been added. The search engine has also been updated from the 6th February, so that any searches will return information from ALL the databases - http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ : 6 February 2013 Baptisms 1828 to 1837 from the New Jerusalem Church, Bolton Marriages 1895 to 1901 from the Church of St John the Divine, Pemberton Updated and completed using the Original Registers at Wigan Archives Baptisms 1936 to 1950 from St Catharine, Scholes, in the Town of Wigan Baptisms 1885 to 1927 from St Thomas, in the Town of Wigan Regards, Sally

Hi Ruth Thank you very much for this information and for the link to the website. I will try Liverpool records and see if I can find any more detail in addition to what was reported in the newspapers. Joanne -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth J Sent: Sunday, 3 February 2013 10:03 PM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] Criminal Court Query If you haven't searched here already, this link may help: http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/1062/archive_collections/3808/court_and_pr ison_records/4 It was a very serious offence so had to go to a higher court. This was not in existence in Manchester in 1835. Ruth :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you haven't searched here already, this link may help: http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/1062/archive_collections/3808/court_and_prison_records/4 It was a very serious offence so had to go to a higher court. This was not in existence in Manchester in 1835. Ruth

That sounds quite reasonable. Thank you for your input. Best regards Joanne -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of kathprince@btinternet.com Sent: Sunday, 3 February 2013 12:05 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] Criminal Court Query Perhaps the main concern was to ensure the fairness of the trial. In a different area the accused would be less likely to be known to potential jurors. Might be quite important if there was an existing criminal record, or if the accused was a prominent person in their own area. :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Colin I love the idea that the trial happened in Liverpool because of the chance to travel by train but I wonder whose choice that would have been - surely not the defendants? Joanne Sent from my iPhone On 2 Feb 2013, at 13:12, "Colin Harrison" <ireddog@infowest.com> wrote: > Possible motivation was just an excuse to ride the new and worlds first > passenger train coupled with a defendants plea to change venue out of > Manchester. ( Pure guess ) > > Colin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joanne Humphrey > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 5:38 PM > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-MAN] : Criminal Court Query > > Hello listers > > My great great great grandfather, Peter MORGAN, was found guilty of aiding > and abetting a manslaughter in 1835. The incident happened in Bradford, > Manchester but the trial took place in the County Assizes in Liverpool. It > struck me that this was quite some distance to travel in those days and I > wondered if there were not any county assizes in Manchester or Salford at > that time. Does anyone have any more knowledge of this? > > Just in case any of these names ring bells with other listers, Peter MORGAN > was tried alongside James ROBINSON, Robert CLARKSON, Thomas MCKEAN and Jacob > BERRESFORD and the victim was James MATHER HOPE. > > Joanne > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Perhaps the main concern was to ensure the fairness of the trial. In a different area the accused would be less likely to be known to potential jurors. Might be quite important if there was an existing criminal record, or if the accused was a prominent person in their own area.

Hello listers My great great great grandfather, Peter MORGAN, was found guilty of aiding and abetting a manslaughter in 1835. The incident happened in Bradford, Manchester but the trial took place in the County Assizes in Liverpool. It struck me that this was quite some distance to travel in those days and I wondered if there were not any county assizes in Manchester or Salford at that time. Does anyone have any more knowledge of this? Just in case any of these names ring bells with other listers, Peter MORGAN was tried alongside James ROBINSON, Robert CLARKSON, Thomas MCKEAN and Jacob BERRESFORD and the victim was James MATHER HOPE. Joanne

Possible motivation was just an excuse to ride the new and worlds first passenger train coupled with a defendants plea to change venue out of Manchester. ( Pure guess ) Colin -----Original Message----- From: Joanne Humphrey Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 5:38 PM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] : Criminal Court Query Hello listers My great great great grandfather, Peter MORGAN, was found guilty of aiding and abetting a manslaughter in 1835. The incident happened in Bradford, Manchester but the trial took place in the County Assizes in Liverpool. It struck me that this was quite some distance to travel in those days and I wondered if there were not any county assizes in Manchester or Salford at that time. Does anyone have any more knowledge of this? Just in case any of these names ring bells with other listers, Peter MORGAN was tried alongside James ROBINSON, Robert CLARKSON, Thomas MCKEAN and Jacob BERRESFORD and the victim was James MATHER HOPE. Joanne :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A few familiar names in this story. Maybe one of yours? >From the Manchester Evening News: "Family of fallen solder killed at Ypres finally get medal back to rightful home. "The family of a fallen First World War hero have been reunited with his medal – after it was found in a Manchester sewer. "Pte Charles CURTIN perished on the killing fields of Ypres in May 1915 aged 35. "He was posthumously given the bronze Victory Medal for his bravery in action. But it had not been seen for 90 years – until a labourer spotted it trapped in a sewer grid at Hough End, Chorlton. "The worker's sister, Christine WOLSTENHOLME, from Shrewsbury, then launched a three-year mission to find the medal's rightful home. "Her painstaking task ended in success when she managed to find Pte CURTIN'S grandchildren, brother and sister John HODGSON and Dorothy HEED, who live near Blackpool. Mr HODGSON, 70, said: "The phone rang one day and this lady asked if I was John HODGSON and did I have relatives in Chorlton called CURTIN. "'She said a family member of hers had been working in sewers in Manchester and had found a medal and she'd spent years trying to track the rightful owners down. My grandfather, Charles William CURTIN, was killed but apparently it was customary not to use your full name then so this medal was awarded to Charles Williams. "'That led her up the wrong path for some time but his number was on the medal too, so she found us eventually. "'The fact she spent all this time doing the research for strangers is just amazing.'" "Pte CURTIN signed up to the 2nd Battalion, Royal Lancaster Regiment, at the age of 16. He married Anne SHELMERDINE in 1909 when he was 26 and they settled in Manchester. "Records show he was killed in action on May 1, 1915, in the second battle of Ypres. The couple had two daughters – Alice, who died in infancy, and Mr HODGSON's mother Annie, who was two when her father was killed. "A death notice written by Anne printed in the M.E.N. read: 'Oft we pause and think of you and think of how you died. To think you could not say goodbye before you closed your eyes. Sadly missed by wife and family'. "Mr HODGSON said: "I was quite amazed really especially as my cousin Anne had tried to trace where the medal had gone once. "'I've really no idea how it came to be in the sewers, though.'" Article with pictures can be found at <http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/first-world-war-heros-medal-1284530> or <http://tinyurl.com/au9gpe3>. Lynne

I have seen this scenario a few times, one being one of my husband's great-great grandfathers. Most times the marriages take place well away from their villages, but not always. I often wondered if those that were brave enough to marry in the local church, were ever in trouble for having done so? I've always assumed not as the families appear to be together after the marriages (births of children, census entries etc) and can't find any sort of criminal case being brought against them. Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > From: martyntaylor@msn.com > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:59:01 +0000 > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Marrying deceased wife's sister [was Curious case of two birth registrations] > > > Roy > > I had cause to research the legality of marrying a deceased wife's sister a few years ago and the legal barrier was removed in an Act of 1907. > > One of my great grandfathers committed this "offence" in 1891 but - as far as I know - never challenged for it Amusingly, the marriage certificate was witnessed by his son-in-law (my grandfather) who, as a solicitor's clerk, should perhaps have known better! > > Martyn

Hello Mike Yes, I would be interested to see them. Thanks Jim -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris Sent: 29 January 2013 17:04 To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Curious case of two birth registrations Hi Roy, I have located both streets in a map dated 1851 would you like to see copies? Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada >________________________________ > From: Jim Whitton <birdboot@btinternet.com> >To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com >Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:38:35 AM Yes, Roy, I had found that.  >In 1841 they were all living together at Granby Row together with the >two sisters' mother (though the Rogerson's address when the child was >born was Arthur Street) .  I would guess that after Elizabeth's death, >her sister probably cared for the infant and so it was perhaps not >surprising (if technically illegal) that they eventually married. > >Incidentally, the two sisters were baptised together in 1837.  I think >Susanna was then about 21 and Elizabeth 17. > >John Rogerson founded a photographic printing works and a lithographic >print of his works in Albion Street <snip> > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roy I had cause to research the legality of marrying a deceased wife's sister a few years ago and the legal barrier was removed in an Act of 1907. One of my great grandfathers committed this "offence" in 1891 but - as far as I know - never challenged for it Amusingly, the marriage certificate was witnessed by his son-in-law (my grandfather) who, as a solicitor's clerk, should perhaps have known better! Martyn > From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:36:00 +0000 > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Curious case of two birth registrations > > From: "Jim Whitton" <birdboot@btinternet.com> > > > Both certs give the same date of birth and father's name as John > > Rogerson, Pattern Maker, and mother's name as Elizabeth Rogerson, formerly > > Witham. I did wonder at first if it might have been twins, but why register a > > second child over a month after the first? Also, only the second registered > > child appears on the 1851 census and there is no record of a death of > > the first-named one. > > > > I presume you are absolutely certain it was the same child? Could it > > have been a different child but with the same named parents? > > > > Coincidences are ten a penny in genealogy! > > > > -- > > Roy Stockdill > > I think you are probably right, but I wonder if you have seen John > Rogerson's two apparent marriages? > > Both are found as potential marriages with FreeBMD and confirmed on > Lancashire BMD. > > John Rogerson married Elizabeth WITHAM at Barton-upon-Irwell in the > Dec quarter of 1840 (vol 20 page 83). > > John Rogerson married Susannah Westley [sic] WITHAM at Manchester in > the Mar quarter of 1846 (vol 20 page 625). > > John and Susannah are found in the 1851 census with the child > Elizabeth. > > It rather looks as if after Elizabeth died John married her sister, > Susannah. I haven't checked but I believe that it was technically > illegal for a man to marry his deceased wife's sister at that time, > unless Susannah was a cousin. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Famous family trees blog: > http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, Roy, I had found that. In 1841 they were all living together at Granby Row together with the two sisters' mother (though the Rogerson's address when the child was born was Arthur Street) . I would guess that after Elizabeth's death, her sister probably cared for the infant and so it was perhaps not surprising (if technically illegal) that they eventually married. Incidentally, the two sisters were baptised together in 1837. I think Susanna was then about 21 and Elizabeth 17. John Rogerson founded a photographic printing works and a lithographic print of his works in Albion Street appeared in the Journal of Photography in 1871. Apparently, there are some of his photographs in the National Archives though I have not seen them. Jim -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of roy.stockdill@btinternet.com Sent: 29 January 2013 14:36 To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Curious case of two birth registrations From: "Jim Whitton" <birdboot@btinternet.com> > Both certs give the same date of birth and father's name as John > Rogerson, Pattern Maker, and mother's name as Elizabeth Rogerson, > formerly Witham. I did wonder at first if it might have been twins, > but why register a second child over a month after the first? Also, > only the second registered child appears on the 1851 census and there > is no record of a death of the first-named one. > > I presume you are absolutely certain it was the same child? Could it > have been a different child but with the same named parents? > > Coincidences are ten a penny in genealogy! > > -- > Roy Stockdill I think you are probably right, but I wonder if you have seen John Rogerson's two apparent marriages? Both are found as potential marriages with FreeBMD and confirmed on Lancashire BMD. John Rogerson married Elizabeth WITHAM at Barton-upon-Irwell in the Dec quarter of 1840 (vol 20 page 83). John Rogerson married Susannah Westley [sic] WITHAM at Manchester in the Mar quarter of 1846 (vol 20 page 625). John and Susannah are found in the 1851 census with the child Elizabeth. It rather looks as if after Elizabeth died John married her sister, Susannah. I haven't checked but I believe that it was technically illegal for a man to marry his deceased wife's sister at that time, unless Susannah was a cousin. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We had a similar case in our family history. Robert Barlow married Mary Fallows at M/c Cathedral 2nd of November 1845 and Little James arrived a little early!!! on 14 November 1845. Mary registered him on 22 November 1845. I think they forgot he had been registered and Robert registered James in March 1846. This only came to light when I applied for the certificate. So it does happen. Carol Billington ----- Original Message ----- From: <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Curious case of two birth registrations

From: "Jim Whitton" <birdboot@btinternet.com> > Both certs give the same date of birth and father's name as John > Rogerson, Pattern Maker, and mother's name as Elizabeth Rogerson, formerly > Witham. I did wonder at first if it might have been twins, but why register a > second child over a month after the first? Also, only the second registered > child appears on the 1851 census and there is no record of a death of > the first-named one. > > I presume you are absolutely certain it was the same child? Could it > have been a different child but with the same named parents? > > Coincidences are ten a penny in genealogy! > > -- > Roy Stockdill I think you are probably right, but I wonder if you have seen John Rogerson's two apparent marriages? Both are found as potential marriages with FreeBMD and confirmed on Lancashire BMD. John Rogerson married Elizabeth WITHAM at Barton-upon-Irwell in the Dec quarter of 1840 (vol 20 page 83). John Rogerson married Susannah Westley [sic] WITHAM at Manchester in the Mar quarter of 1846 (vol 20 page 625). John and Susannah are found in the 1851 census with the child Elizabeth. It rather looks as if after Elizabeth died John married her sister, Susannah. I haven't checked but I believe that it was technically illegal for a man to marry his deceased wife's sister at that time, unless Susannah was a cousin. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

I forgot to mention that Susanna Wesley Rogerson was baptised a few days after her birth, but there is no recorded baptism of Elizabeth Rogerson. Also,although census records in 1851 and 1861 showed the child's name as just "Elizabeth Rogerson", when she married in 1865, the certificate records her name as "Susanna Wesley Elizabeth Rogerson"! Jim -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of roy.stockdill@btinternet.com Sent: 28 January 2013 13:43 To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Curious case of two birth registrations From: "Jim Whitton" <birdboot@btinternet.com> > I have obtained a certificate showing birth of Susanna Wesley ROGERSON > on 21/10/1841, registered at London Rd on 30/10 1841. I also have a > certificate showing death of her mother, Elizabeth ROGERSON, on > 29/10/1841,also registered on 30/10/1841. > > I also have a certificate showing birth of Elizabeth ROGERSON, to the > same parents, on the same date, but at a different address, registered > at the neighbouring district of Ancoats on 26/11/1841. > > I suspect that the father must have decided to rename Susanna after > her mother's death and so went to another district and gave a > fictitious, or perhaps a relation's, address. Has anyone else come > across such a case?> I presume you are absolutely certain it was the same child? Could it have been a different child but with the same named parents? Coincidences are ten a penny in genealogy! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Both certs give the same date of birth and father's name as John Rogerson, Pattern Maker, and mother's name as Elizabeth Rogerson, formerly Witham. I did wonder at first if it might have been twins, but why register a second child over a month after the first? Also, only the second registered child appears on the 1851 census and there is no record of a death of the first-named one. Jim Whitton -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of roy.stockdill@btinternet.com Sent: 28 January 2013 13:43 To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Curious case of two birth registrations From: "Jim Whitton" <birdboot@btinternet.com> > I have obtained a certificate showing birth of Susanna Wesley ROGERSON > on 21/10/1841, registered at London Rd on 30/10 1841. I also have a > certificate showing death of her mother, Elizabeth ROGERSON, on > 29/10/1841,also registered on 30/10/1841. > > I also have a certificate showing birth of Elizabeth ROGERSON, to the > same parents, on the same date, but at a different address, registered > at the neighbouring district of Ancoats on 26/11/1841. > > I suspect that the father must have decided to rename Susanna after > her mother's death and so went to another district and gave a > fictitious, or perhaps a relation's, address. Has anyone else come > across such a case?> I presume you are absolutely certain it was the same child? Could it have been a different child but with the same named parents? Coincidences are ten a penny in genealogy! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Roy,  I have located both streets in a map dated 1851 would you like to see copies? Regards  Mike Morris  Toronto Canada >________________________________ > From: Jim Whitton <birdboot@btinternet.com> >To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com >Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:38:35 AM >Yes, Roy, I had found that.  In 1841 they were all living together at Granby >Row together with the two sisters' mother (though the Rogerson's address >when the child was born was Arthur Street) .  I would guess that after >Elizabeth's death, her sister probably cared for the infant and so it was >perhaps not surprising (if technically illegal) that they eventually >married. > >Incidentally, the two sisters were baptised together in 1837.  I think >Susanna was then about 21 and Elizabeth 17. > >John Rogerson founded a photographic printing works and a lithographic print >of his works in Albion Street <snip> >

The Bolton branch of the Manchester & Lancashire Family History Society (MLFHS) (http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/Bolton/) will hold its first meeting of 2013 where we welcome Dr Alan Crosby to talk about "Lancashire Probate Records". He will discuss how these records are of special interest to family historians as personal documents, giving insight into family connections and a lifestyle of a bygone age; and explain the Probate system and how to make full use of the records. The meeting will be held Wednesday February 6th at 7.30pm at Bolton Cricket Club, Green Lane, Farnworth BL3 2JB. All are invited to attend. A Help Desk will be available afterwards for private research advice. All enquiries to Barbara Owen, Secretary, at 01204 309515.