Hi Andy I am also researching Murray ancestors in Manchester, but there are so many of them and mine don't have unusual forenames so what I know is a bit sparse. They came from Londonderry in the 1850s and consisted of Catherine, b about 1803 and her children Susan, Margaret, Catherine, James and William. I am descended from Susan. Do any of those sound familiar? Joanne -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gillykh Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 4:04 PM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] MURRAY HI Andy, Perhaps you could tell us what info you have ,and what info you would like. Gilly -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andrew And Jenny Murray Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 3:00 PM To: ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] MURRAY Hi everyone, I have just returned to this list after an extended break. I am researching many ancestors in the Manchester area, but at this moment concentrating on my MURRAY and HEWITT surnames. Andy Murray Sent from my iPad :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Andy; I just noticed your posting to the Manchester list regarding MURRAY. For some years now, I too, have been researching the MURRAY family of Manchester and unfortunately have come up with a number of brick walls. If you can send me your direct email address I will glady send you a four generation descendant report of my branch of the Manchester MURRAYs for comparison. (file attachments can not be sent through the Manchester list) After being a member of the MURRAY rootsweb list for some years I am now seeking alternative sources of information - our American cousins appear to have commandeered the MURRAY rootsweb list and don't appear interested in the English and Scottish origins. Hence, when I saw your posting it seemed like a breath of fresh air. Looking forward to hearing from you. You never know, we may be related!! Best regards Len Heyward -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andrew And Jenny Murray Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:00 AM To: ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] MURRAY Hi everyone, I have just returned to this list after an extended break. I am researching many ancestors in the Manchester area, but at this moment concentrating on my MURRAY and HEWITT surnames. Andy Murray Sent from my iPad

That's wonderful Mike. So true :) On 21/02/2013, Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> wrote: > I saw this today (author unknown) in a Lancashire family history site. > Thought you might appreciate these sentiments.................... > > My thanks to the unknown lady who sent this in. > > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > > > >> >> >>"We are the chosen. In each family there is one who seems called to find >> the ancestors. To put flesh on their bones and make them live again. To >> tell the family story and to feel that somehow they know and approve. >> >>Doing genealogy is not a cold gathering of facts but, instead, breathing >> life into all who have gone before. We are the story tellers of the tribe. >> All tribes have one. We have been called, as it were, by our genes. Those >> who have gone before cry out to us: "Tell our story". So, we do. >> >>In finding them, we somehow find ourselves. How many graves have I stood >> before now and cried? I have lost count. How many times have I told the >> ancestors, "You have a wonderful family; you would be proud of us." How >> many times have I walked up to a grave and felt somehow there was love >> there for me? I cannot say. >> >>It goes beyond just documenting facts. It goes to who am I and why do I do >> the things I do. It goes to seeing a > cemetery about to be lost forever to weeds and indifference and saying I > can't let this happen. The bones here are bones of my bone and flesh of my > flesh. It goes to doing something about it. It goes to pride in what our > ancestors were able to accomplish. How they contributed to what we are > today. It goes to respecting their hardships and losses, their never giving > in or giving up, their resoluteness to go on and build a life for their > family. It goes to deep pride that the fathers fought, and some died, to > make and keep us a nation. It goes to a deep and immense understanding that > they were doing it for us. >> >>It is of equal pride and love that our mothers struggled to give us birth, >> without them we could not exist, and so we love each one, as far back as >> we can reach. That we might be born who we are. That we might remember >> them. So we do. With love and caring and scribing each fact of their >> existence, because we are they and they are the sum of > who we are. >> >>So, as a scribe called, I tell the story of my family. It is up to that one >> called in the next generation to answer the call and take my place in the >> long line of family storytellers. That is why I do my family genealogy, >> and that is what calls those young and old to step up and restore the >> memory or greet those who we had never known before." >> >>Author: Unknown >> >> > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you so much for sharing this, Mike, it really captures what we do and why we do it. On 20/02/2013 23:17, Mike Morris wrote: > I saw this today (author unknown) in a Lancashire family history site. Thought you might appreciate these sentiments.................... > > My thanks to the unknown lady who sent this in. > > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > > > > "We are the chosen. In each family there is one who seems called to find the ancestors. To put flesh on their bones and make them live again. To tell the family story and to feel that somehow they know and approve. >

Thank you Mike, This is a lovely piece. Keith. On 20/02/2013 23:17, Mike Morris wrote: > I saw this today (author unknown) in a Lancashire family history site. Thought you might appreciate these sentiments.................... > > My thanks to the unknown lady who sent this in. > > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > > > >> >> "We are the chosen. In each family there is one who seems called to find the ancestors. To put flesh on their bones and make them live again. To tell the family story and to feel that somehow they know and approve. >> >> Doing genealogy is not a cold gathering of facts but, instead, breathing life into all who have gone before. We are the story tellers of the tribe. All tribes have one. We have been called, as it were, by our genes. Those who have gone before cry out to us: "Tell our story". So, we do. >> >> In finding them, we somehow find ourselves. How many graves have I stood before now and cried? I have lost count. How many times have I told the ancestors, "You have a wonderful family; you would be proud of us." How many times have I walked up to a grave and felt somehow there was love there for me? I cannot say. >> >> It goes beyond just documenting facts. It goes to who am I and why do I do the things I do. It goes to seeing a > cemetery about to be lost forever to weeds and indifference and saying I can't let this happen. The bones here are bones of my bone and flesh of my flesh. It goes to doing something about it. It goes to pride in what our ancestors were able to accomplish. How they contributed to what we are today. It goes to respecting their hardships and losses, their never giving in or giving up, their resoluteness to go on and build a life for their family. It goes to deep pride that the fathers fought, and some died, to make and keep us a nation. It goes to a deep and immense understanding that they were doing it for us. >> It is of equal pride and love that our mothers struggled to give us birth, without them we could not exist, and so we love each one, as far back as we can reach. That we might be born who we are. That we might remember them. So we do. With love and caring and scribing each fact of their existence, because we are they and they are the sum of > who we are. >> So, as a scribe called, I tell the story of my family. It is up to that one called in the next generation to answer the call and take my place in the long line of family storytellers. That is why I do my family genealogy, and that is what calls those young and old to step up and restore the memory or greet those who we had never known before." >> >> Author: Unknown >> >> > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Keith Heesom

Hi All, Thanks to the new parish records on Ancestry I have discovered that Joseph HILL and Elizabeth had several children starting with William bap May 1820 and ending with Elizabeth b c 1830. Evidence from the children's marriage certs shows Joseph was a butcher. The best marriage for an Elizabeth that fits is Elizabeth DARLINGTON 10 Nov 1819. They were both "of this parish". The witnesses are Thomas Morton & Edward Redford. In 1841 Elizabeth is Elizabeth MORTON living in Manchester. In 1851 she is living in Manchester with son Thomas HILL. She is shown as born Leeds c 1994 and a widow. In 1861 she is living in Barton upon Irwell with son Joseph HILL. Her name is spelt MORETON and she was born Leeds. Her death cert in 1868 shows her husband was Edward MORETON, a butcher. Looking for a marriage of Elizabeth HILL to Edward MOR(E)TON at the appropriate time I actually found a marriage of Edmund MORTON to Elizabeth DARLINGTON on 1 Jan 1837. She is shown as a spinster! So I presume Joseph HILL died between 1829 and 1837 and Edward/Edmund MOR(E)TON died between 1837 and 1841. There is a possible death for Edward MORTON in Ancoats in 1838. However he is only 38 making him 6 years younger than Elizabeth. Maybe. I may get that cert if I can't solve it any other way. I have looked to see if I can find a brother Thomas for him which would fit with the witness to the first marriage but cannot find one. I cannot tie down a death for Joseph. I would like to be able to find baptisms and deaths for Joseph and Edmund/Edward. I cannot find a baptism for an Elizabeth DARLINGTON b c 1794 from Leeds. The HILL children tie Joseph, Elizabeth and Edmund/Edward together but have I got the right Elizabeth? Any help to unravel this jigsaw greatly appreciated. Christine

Hi everyone, I have just returned to this list after an extended break. I am researching many ancestors in the Manchester area, but at this moment concentrating on my MURRAY and HEWITT surnames. Andy Murray Sent from my iPad

HI Andy, Perhaps you could tell us what info you have ,and what info you would like. Gilly -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andrew And Jenny Murray Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 3:00 PM To: ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] MURRAY Hi everyone, I have just returned to this list after an extended break. I am researching many ancestors in the Manchester area, but at this moment concentrating on my MURRAY and HEWITT surnames. Andy Murray Sent from my iPad :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Irene I have just found the 1851 census return you referred to - you're right - it's very difficult to read. At first glance Elizabeth's age looked very much like 58 but on closer examination I can see it could be 38. If she is 38 then that would make her a poor match for the Elizabeth we found in the Great Bridgewater Street Chapel in 1806. Having said that, I know that my Elizabeth Cardwell married William Roberts in 1828 and since being 38 in 1851 would have made her 15 when she married, I think it's likely that a few years were deducted from her age in this census. The other thing which is concerning me is that we have quite a decent list of possible siblings for the Elizabeth who was baptised in 1806 and there is no Ellen or Eliza on the list. The last baptism we have for the family is in 1806, so if Eliza was only born in 1811 I wonder if the family had moved to a different church by that time? It feels very cheeky to ask, since I have received so much wonderful help from this list recently, but I wonder if any of you knowledgeable people might be able to suggest anything which can help me to join up the three generations I am working with here. When Elizabeth Cardwell married John Roberts, their parents are not listed, so I am unable to conclusively connect Elizabeth to the baptism (parents William and Mary) in 1806. I know from the baptisms that William's occupation is a blacksmith, but again, the 1794 marriage between William and Mary Hay does not list occupations. Can anyone suggest any other possible records which might help me prove a connection between Elizabeth and the William and Mary from the baptisms and also the William and Mary from the baptisms to the William and Mary in the 1794 marriage? I feel fairly confident that I have located William Cardwell in the 1841 census where there is a 55-year-old blacksmith of that name living in Greengate, Salford. He is with the family of George and Sarah Windle (Sarah could be his daughter baptised in 1796, although Ancestry has a marriage of George Windle and Sarah Horsfall in 1829 and there is a Horsefall in the same household as well). Many thanks Joanne -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Irene Marlborough Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013 1:02 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Cardwells Hello Joanne: As you can see, I've been enjoying the chase for your CARDWELLs. Have you seen Elizabeth ROBERTS in 1851, still at Nathan's Court? Living with her is an unmarried sister Eliza aged (I think) 40 years. This implies a birth c. 1811. Elizabeth probably gives her age as 38. These are difficult to read being on the water damaged section but the Manchester & Lancs FHS rescue transcription agrees with these details. These 2 undoubtedly belong to your family because of the definite connection with your known ancestors and the link to this address. I wonder if Ellen & Eliza might be the same person. When you are searching you should also consider variants CADWELL and CANDWELL (in case the r has been misread as n). Best wishes, Irene :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here's another snippet to add to your list. This evidence may eventually build sufficient confidence to establish your links. Eleanor Cardwell (signed Ellener) married Joseph Bispham at the Collegiate Church in 1845. Her father was William Cardwell, a smith. The witnesses were of no help to me but perhaps they mean something to you. Worth a look. Best wishes, Irene

I saw this today (author unknown) in a Lancashire family history site. Thought you might appreciate these sentiments.................... My thanks to the unknown lady who sent this in. Mike Morris  Toronto Canada > > >"We are the chosen. In each family there is one who seems called to find the ancestors. To put flesh on their bones and make them live again. To tell the family story and to feel that somehow they know and approve. > >Doing genealogy is not a cold gathering of facts but, instead, breathing life into all who have gone before. We are the story tellers of the tribe. All tribes have one. We have been called, as it were, by our genes. Those who have gone before cry out to us: "Tell our story". So, we do. > >In finding them, we somehow find ourselves. How many graves have I stood before now and cried? I have lost count. How many times have I told the ancestors, "You have a wonderful family; you would be proud of us." How many times have I walked up to a grave and felt somehow there was love there for me? I cannot say. > >It goes beyond just documenting facts. It goes to who am I and why do I do the things I do. It goes to seeing a cemetery about to be lost forever to weeds and indifference and saying I can't let this happen. The bones here are bones of my bone and flesh of my flesh. It goes to doing something about it. It goes to pride in what our ancestors were able to accomplish. How they contributed to what we are today. It goes to respecting their hardships and losses, their never giving in or giving up, their resoluteness to go on and build a life for their family. It goes to deep pride that the fathers fought, and some died, to make and keep us a nation. It goes to a deep and immense understanding that they were doing it for us. > >It is of equal pride and love that our mothers struggled to give us birth, without them we could not exist, and so we love each one, as far back as we can reach. That we might be born who we are. That we might remember them. So we do. With love and caring and scribing each fact of their existence, because we are they and they are the sum of who we are. > >So, as a scribe called, I tell the story of my family. It is up to that one called in the next generation to answer the call and take my place in the long line of family storytellers. That is why I do my family genealogy, and that is what calls those young and old to step up and restore the memory or greet those who we had never known before." > >Author: Unknown > >

Hello Joanne: I don't know about your ancestors but mine lied about their ages all the time. In 1841 age should have been rounded down to the nearest 5 years. It looks as if Elizabeth may have rounded her age up - if the age of 38 is anywhere near correct in 1851. I think you might have to step back from the children of William & Mary. BTW, William's occupation is given on his marriage entry. It says, smith - consistent with later entries of blacksmith at the baptisms of the children. But so far, there's been nothing that would really convince me that you have the correct parentage for your Elizabeth. It's still possible but it doesn't feel right yet. Keep working at it - you may get there eventually. Best wishes, Irene

Another good idea which I hadn't previously come up with. Thank you for this. Joanne -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of geejay Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013 7:45 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Multiple baptizms, new thoughts Just as another answer to the question:: If a family fell on hard times, due to sickness or desertion or anything else, a family couldn't get assistance from the Parish, unless they were baptised in that parish. Sometimes families that moved from one are to another and did well for a while then things went wrong, they would have to go back to where they came from for aid. If a family had been very devout Methodist/Weslyan when these bad things happened, they may have had to get children Baptised in the established Church, in order to get assitance. Yours in Genealogy, Jan, in sunny QLD, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard" <RS-genealogy@snowman1.f9.co.uk> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Marriage Records for Manchester Cathedral >I can't answer the original question but I have just come across a case > where 5 siblings were baptised at the same time! Eldest was 11, youngest > given as "infant". Must be cheaper in bulk! > > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Irene > Marlborough > Sent: 18 February 2013 20:20 > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Marriage Records for Manchester Cathedral > > Joanne wrote: "Can anyone suggest why a set of parents might baptise two > children only three months apart and in churches of different > denominations... " :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you once again. All very useful! Best wishes Joanne -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013 2:22 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Cardwells Also noticed the parents names as............... and they lived across the river in Manchester. Baptism: 29 Apr 1798 Gravel Lane Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Salford, Lancashire, England James Cardwell - Son of William Cardwell & Mary     Born: 17 Aug 1798     Abode: Manchester     Register: Baptisms 1793 - 1840, Entry 152     Source: LDS Film 560900 All the four children I sent you had the same parents as above. Having a difficult time trying to locate Nathans court in an 1841 map of Salford, Greengate. But Gravel Lane is in Greengate just across the river from the Manchester cathedral Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> > To: "eng-manchester@rootsweb.com" <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:12:15 AM > Baptisms at Gravel Lane Wesleyan Methodist Chapel in the City of > Salford Index to the Baptisms recorded in the Register for the years > 1793 - 1840 > > Cardwell >     James 29 Apr 1798 >     Margaret 30 Mar 1800 >     Mary 23 May 1802 >     Sarah 4 Sep 179  <Snipped> :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mike Thank you so much for this. These will be the same baptisms as a set which Irene sent the other day and she had additionally found some in the Great Bridgewater Street Chapel who are probably also from the same parents. I think I need to get some maps out and improve my geography of the area so I can piece all of this together. I also need to do some further research into the Wesleyan movement of around that time. Best wishes Joanne -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013 1:12 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Cardwells Wonder if the following is of help? I found the following Cardwell's  just across the river in Salford. Baptisms at Gravel Lane Wesleyan Methodist Chapel in the City of Salford Index to the Baptisms recorded in the Register for the years 1793 - 1840 Cardwell     James 29 Apr 1798     Margaret 30 Mar 1800     Mary 23 May 1802     Sarah 4 Sep 179  Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada >________________________________ > From: Irene Marlborough <imarlb@sbcglobal.net> >To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com >Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:02:16 AM >Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Cardwells > >These 2 undoubtedly belong to your family because of the definite >connection with your known ancestors and the link to this address. I >wonder if Ellen & Eliza might be the same person. When you are >searching you should also consider variants CADWELL and CANDWELL (in >case the r has been misread as <snipped> :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Irene Thanks you so much for that. I had searched the water-damaged sections but had not come up with this one. Maybe because it is quite unclear it had been transcribed differently on the search I used. I will have another look now that you have found it. Funny for an Elizabeth to have a sister called Eliza don't you think? I have been using Cordwell in my searches as well as the two you suggest and I actually have a Cordwell indirect ancestor on another branch of the same family. Many thanks for your interest and your help Joanne -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Irene Marlborough Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013 1:02 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Cardwells Hello Joanne: As you can see, I've been enjoying the chase for your CARDWELLs. Have you seen Elizabeth ROBERTS in 1851, still at Nathan's Court? Living with her is an unmarried sister Eliza aged (I think) 40 years. This implies a birth c. 1811. Elizabeth probably gives her age as 38. These are difficult to read being on the water damaged section but the Manchester & Lancs FHS rescue transcription agrees with these details. These 2 undoubtedly belong to your family because of the definite connection with your known ancestors and the link to this address. I wonder if Ellen & Eliza might be the same person. When you are searching you should also consider variants CADWELL and CANDWELL (in case the r has been misread as n). Best wishes, Irene :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Additions from our friends at Lancashire BMD: 23 January 2013 Added 2,025 Births for Bury RD comprising: Elton (1901-1908) Amended 19,965 Births for Burnley RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Colne (1878-1892) 29 January 2013 Amended 8,508 Births for Rochdale RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Whitworth and Brandwood (1837-1852); Wuerdle and Wardle (1837-1860) Amended 11,037 Births for Burnley RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Colne (1892-1901) Amended 6,006 Births for West Lancashire RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Halsall (1837-1925) 5 February 2013 Added 24,045 Births for Manchester RD comprising: Ardwick (1909-1911); Saint George (1909-1917) Amended 6,006 Births for West Lancashire RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Halsall (1837-1925) Amended 63,394 Births for Wigan and Leigh RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Leigh & Golborne (1911-1950); Atherton (1893-1951); Hindley (1904-1950); Leigh (1837-1939) Added 12,511 Deaths for Oldham RD comprising: Oldham East (1911-1931) Added 33,907 Marriages for St Helens RD comprising: St. Helens Register Office or Registrar Attended (1935-1954); St Matthews Thatto Heath (1988-1990); Christ Church Eccleston (1840-1990); St James Haydock (1975-1990); St Mark Haydock (1910-1985); St Peter Newton (1845-1990); All Saints, Newton (1916-1975); St Peters Parr (1974-1990); St Helens Parish (1837-1973); St Marks, St Helens (1887-2005) Added 4,730 marriages for Salford RD comprising ALL CofE, Authorised person and Register Office/Registrar Attended marriages for 1944 9 February 2013 Added 4,241 Births for North Sefton RD comprising: Formby (1886-1888); North Meols (1886-1888) Added 52,030 Deaths for Manchester RD comprising: Ardwick (1837-1883) 14 February 2013 Amended 19,896 Births for Burnley RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Nelson (1895-1899); Padiham (1837-1869); Pendle (1837-1928) Added 2,194 Marriages for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn Register Office or Registrar Attended (1974-1983) 19 February 2013 Added 4,054 Births for Bury RD comprising: Elton (1908-1914); Ramsbottom (1901-1907) Amended 10,001 Births for Burnley RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Padiham (1869-1890) Added 14,517 Deaths for Oldham RD comprising: Oldham South (1911-1931) Added 430 Marriages for Hyndburn RD comprising: Rawtenstall, St James Church (1974-2007); Edenfield, Primitive Methodist Chapel (1944-1953); Oswaldtwistle, St Mary's Roman Catholic Church (1987-1993) Added 1,075 Marriages for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn Register Office or Registrar Attended (1974-1975) ~ ~ ~ ~ Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

News from UKGDL (Genealogical Directories and Lists), the companion site to UKBMD: "New Functionality on UKGDL - Occupations and Apprentices. "We have gone through all the sites we link to on UKGDL making note of all occupation and apprentice lists and indexes, plus ones with specific information about an occupation. "There is a new menu button on UKGDL called Occupations. This new Occupations option allows you to refine the search of occupations/apprentices to your specific area of interest, or browse through the list of occupations. "For example: "Refining the list using the word 'farrier' will bring up a shortened list of 'apprentice farrier' and 'farrier', you can select one or more of the available occupations and list the sites that have related information. "Lots of occupations included, blacksmiths, railway workers, photographers, public house licensees, miners, seamen and many many more. We have also included sites which list mayors, freemen, churchwardens etc. "There are also links to sites which list old occupations and descriptions. "Remember to look for similar occupations. Seaman, Mariner, and Merchant Navy may bring up a slightly different list of links." Happy searching! Lynne

Hi Joanne,  I have sent you a map showing Caygill street in Greengate and the Chapel. Not in this map but to the east almost in a straight line across the river and about 15 minutes walk is Balloon street. Not far from the Cathedral.  Regards  Mike Morris  Toronto Canada >

Just as another answer to the question:: If a family fell on hard times, due to sickness or desertion or anything else, a family couldn't get assistance from the Parish, unless they were baptised in that parish. Sometimes families that moved from one are to another and did well for a while then things went wrong, they would have to go back to where they came from for aid. If a family had been very devout Methodist/Weslyan when these bad things happened, they may have had to get children Baptised in the established Church, in order to get assitance. Yours in Genealogy, Jan, in sunny QLD, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard" <RS-genealogy@snowman1.f9.co.uk> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Marriage Records for Manchester Cathedral >I can't answer the original question but I have just come across a case > where 5 siblings were baptised at the same time! Eldest was 11, youngest > given as "infant". Must be cheaper in bulk! > > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Irene > Marlborough > Sent: 18 February 2013 20:20 > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Marriage Records for Manchester Cathedral > > Joanne wrote: "Can anyone suggest why a set of parents might baptise two > children only three months apart and in churches of different > denominations... "