Hi List I have traced my Travis family back to George Travis who died in 1584 and who left a property in Deansgate to his son George.He was buried in Manchester Cathedral on 9th December 1584. His father John Travis was the first Minister of Blackley Chapel and I think was born in Failsworth By coincidence my cousin's daughter has a fiancee whose surname is Travis and I have trace his family back to Thomas Travis who married a Katherine Hill and he died at Blackley in 1597 and is also buried in Manchester Cathedral. The earliest Thomas Travis I found (Christening 17 AUG 1561 Middleton By Oldham) I feel sure that both our families are probably linked but I just need that piece of the jigsaw to make the connection. Does anyone know what Manchester resources I can access to confirm this. regards Julie

Send an e-mail query to the Manchester Evening News 'In Touch' section Mike Morris  Toronto Canada  >________________________________ > From: eddie lunt <eddie.lunt@ntlworld.com> >To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:06:50 AM >Subject: [ENG-MAN] Fw: Roy Swann > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "eddie lunt" <eddie.lunt@ntlworld.com> >To: <Eng-Manchester@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:20 PM >> Subject: Telephone Directory 1975 to 1977 Manchester. > > Does anyone know where I can find an address for someone living in  Chorlton > cum Hardy, Manchester area?  The name of the person is or was Roy Swann <snip> >

Hi Carla I have had some good suggestions for later, which I will do. Always wise after the event, aren't we? <sigh> Thanks for the suggestion though. I have to admit I'm not very computer savvy but I'm working on it........ Cheers Pauline

An urgent plea to our List leader! A relative who lives in the USA has helped me, over the years, to compile my family tree, but I have found that it has been deleted by an 'expert' who came to clean up my pc. I am, to put it mildly, a bit miffed but I wonder if Gordon West is still on the list and if so, could he please contact me as he may still have my family tree on his pc, in the form of a GEDCOM. I would be very pleased if either our list leader, or Gordon himself could contact me, either through the list or privately. Many thanks Pauline K

Subject: Telephone Directory 1975 to 1977 Manchester. Hi everyone, gosh its cold today here in Cheshire, roll on summer. Does anyone know where I can find an address for someone living in Chorlton cum Hardy, Manchester area? The name of the person is or was Roy Swann and he was or is the son of my my aunt Elizabeth Lunt who married Edgar Swann and Roy was I hope still living in Manchester around that time, well he must have been because he married Lynn Jones in 1963. I wanted to find a phone no and address for him, through the telephone book for those years. Ive no idea where I could find the telephone directories? Any help at all please no matter how small, thanks a bundle. Ted Lunt.

----- Original Message ----- From: eddie lunt To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 4:20 PM Subject: Telephone Directory 1975 to 1977 Manchester. Hi everyone, gosh its cold today here in Cheshire, roll on summer. Does anyone know where I can find an address for someone living in Chorlton cum Hardy, Manchester area? The name of the person is or was Roy Swann and he was or is the son of my my aunt Elizabeth Lunt who married Edgar Swann and Roy was I hope still living in Manchester around that time, well he must have been because he married Lynn Jones in 1963. I wanted to find a phone no and address for him, through the telephone book for those years. Ive no idea where I could find the telephone directories? Any help at all please no matter how small, thanks a bundle. Ted Lunt.

Those of you who took an interest in my Cardwell research over the past week or so might be interested to know that I have now found a baptism of a William Cardwell at Manchester Cathedral in 1813. It lists the parents as William and Mary of Salford, and William was a cordwainer, so this seems to prove that there one more than one couple named William and Mary Cardwell baptising children in Manchester between 1795 and 1815. I strongly suspect that this William is a brother of the Ellen Cardwell who was baptised at the Cathedral in 1806 and she is likely to be the one who was living with my Elizabeth in 1841 and 1851. It seems strange that the couple didn't baptise any other children between 1806 and 1813, but I am broadening my spelling variations to try to account for this. Best regards Joanne -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Irene Marlborough Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 8:44 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Cardwells Here's another snippet to add to your list. This evidence may eventually build sufficient confidence to establish your links. Eleanor Cardwell (signed Ellener) married Joseph Bispham at the Collegiate Church in 1845. Her father was William Cardwell, a smith. The witnesses were of no help to me but perhaps they mean something to you. Worth a look. Best wishes, Irene :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi,          Just another suggestion. I have mine backed up to a thumbnail drive, passport drive and am going to get a bigger external harddrive. I won't keep the external one plugged in all the time to my tower. It will be plugged in only when I am adding something to it. The other small ones I keep put up. I have downloaded not only my gedcom files, but am in the process of scanning all pictures that I have inherited from my mom, aunt and ones that I have taken over the years and putting them on those as well.   Carla --- On Fri, 2/22/13, anthro20061@yahoo.com <anthro20061@yahoo.com> wrote: From: anthro20061@yahoo.com <anthro20061@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] GORDON WEST To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, February 22, 2013, 11:51 PM In the future u should upload your family tree to ancestry.com like what I do just in case if it gets lost you got a backup online The file should be on your hardrive still you should have ur harddrive recovered Sent from my HTC EVO Design™ 4G from Boost Mobile ----- Reply message ----- From: "Pauline Kirschner" <pdk235@bigpond.com> To: "Manchester" <ENG-MANCHESTER@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ENG-MAN] GORDON WEST Date: Fri, Feb 22, 2013 11:15 pm An urgent plea to our List leader! A relative who lives in the USA has helped me, over the years,  to compile my family tree, but I have found that it has been deleted by an 'expert' who came to clean up my pc.  I am, to put it mildly, a bit miffed but I wonder if Gordon West is still on the list and if so, could he please contact me as he may still have my family tree on his pc, in the form of a GEDCOM. I would be very pleased if either our list leader, or Gordon himself could contact me, either through the list or privately. Many thanks Pauline K   :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No fees!  :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No fees!  :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joanne: This looks promising and worth some more work. There is a possible matching William on the 1851 census for Salford. He's an iron dresser at a foundry. He's married to Mary. They have these children Susannah, Joseph, Sarah Ann, Thomas and Ellen. Everyone was born in Salford. Susannah was baptised at the Collegiate Church on Easter Sunday 1837 and her father was a mechanic. So her parents (unfortunately) will have been married before Civil Registration began. Even so, I can't find a suitable marriage yet. I think it's likely that this William & Mary married before 1833 as there's a child Margaret baptised at the Collegiate Church to a William & Mary of Salford (Moulder). The family can be tracked through the censuses. I looked in case there was an aged parent living with them but there are no surprises. Just put this family on the pile of evidence and see what else turns up. Best wishes, Irene

I noticed in an 1844 map with Caygill street, Salford that two streets over in a north east direction over Greengate was an Iron Foundry and next to it was a Nortons Court. Mike Morris  Toronto Canada >________________________________ > From: Irene Marlborough <imarlb@sbcglobal.net> >To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:59:54 AM > >This looks promising and worth some more work. There is a possible matching >William on the 1851 census for Salford. He's an iron dresser at a foundry. >He's married to Mary. They have these children Susannah, Joseph, Sarah Ann, >Thomas and Ellen. Everyone was born in Salford. >I think it's likely that this William & Mary married before 1833 as there's  >a child Margaret baptised at the Collegiate Church to a William & Mary of >Salford (Moulder). <snipped> > >

In the future u should upload your family tree to ancestry.com like what I do just in case if it gets lost you got a backup online The file should be on your hardrive still you should have ur harddrive recovered Sent from my HTC EVO Design™ 4G from Boost Mobile ----- Reply message ----- From: "Pauline Kirschner" <pdk235@bigpond.com> To: "Manchester" <ENG-MANCHESTER@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ENG-MAN] GORDON WEST Date: Fri, Feb 22, 2013 11:15 pm An urgent plea to our List leader! A relative who lives in the USA has helped me, over the years, to compile my family tree, but I have found that it has been deleted by an 'expert' who came to clean up my pc. I am, to put it mildly, a bit miffed but I wonder if Gordon West is still on the list and if so, could he please contact me as he may still have my family tree on his pc, in the form of a GEDCOM. I would be very pleased if either our list leader, or Gordon himself could contact me, either through the list or privately. Many thanks Pauline K :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gilly, I have just given this infomation to Joanne's question-being new to this list I am not sure if I have to reply to each person individually or can do it all in one go and everybody on the thread will view it? Basically my Murray ancestors are: (Father) Fred Murray 1940-2003 Fred Murray 1915-1992 John Murray 1862-1926 James Murray c1838-1878 John Murray ?-? Andy On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:03 AM, gillykh <gillykh@cox.net> wrote: > HI Andy, > Perhaps you could tell us what info you have ,and what info you would like. > Gilly > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andrew And Jenny > Murray > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 3:00 PM > To: ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-MAN] MURRAY > > > Hi everyone, I have just returned to this list after an extended break. I > am > researching many ancestors in the Manchester area, but at this moment > concentrating on my MURRAY and HEWITT surnames. > Andy Murray > Sent from my iPad > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Joanne, the furthest Murray I have located is my gt gt grandfather James Murray. He was born about 1838, but the earliest record I have for him is his wedding certificate in 1859.(I have him on the 1861 and 1871 census, and his death certificate.) If I recall correctly-I began this around 15 years ago and had a break(!) the reasons for my struggle to find him before 1859- I applied for a couple of birth certificates for around 1838, but received a letter stating that the name of the father was wrong. (From his wedding certificate his father's name was John Murray, a weaver.) Next, with him getting married in 1859, I tried the 1861 census. I found him now living with his wife and two young children at a different address to where he was living two years previous on his wedding certificate. So I thought if I found this address it may be his parents home. It was 45 Angel Street, which I think was a lodging house. So without knowing his mothers name I am struggling to find/prove between 1838 and 1859,a James Murray, born in Manchester around 1838, son of John Murray, weaver, Andy On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Joanne Humphrey <joanne1humphrey@gmail.com>wrote: > Hi Andy > > I am also researching Murray ancestors in Manchester, but there are so many > of them and mine don't have unusual forenames so what I know is a bit > sparse. > > They came from Londonderry in the 1850s and consisted of Catherine, b about > 1803 and her children Susan, Margaret, Catherine, James and William. I am > descended from Susan. Do any of those sound familiar? > > Joanne > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gillykh > Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 4:04 PM > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] MURRAY > > HI Andy, > Perhaps you could tell us what info you have ,and what info you would like. > Gilly > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andrew And Jenny > Murray > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 3:00 PM > To: ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-MAN] MURRAY > > > Hi everyone, I have just returned to this list after an extended break. I > am > researching many ancestors in the Manchester area, but at this moment > concentrating on my MURRAY and HEWITT surnames. > Andy Murray > Sent from my iPad > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Len, that would be great- my email address is muzandmuz@gmail.com It would indeed be great if we were related, and even greater if you then told me you have researched my line right back to the 1300's!! Andy On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Len Heyward <lhe6246@bigpond.com> wrote: > Hello Andy; > > I just noticed your posting to the Manchester list regarding MURRAY. For > some years now, I too, have been researching the MURRAY family of > Manchester > and unfortunately have come up with a number of brick walls. If you can > send me your direct email address I will glady send you a four generation > descendant report of my branch of the Manchester MURRAYs for comparison. > (file attachments can not be sent through the Manchester list) > > After being a member of the MURRAY rootsweb list for some years I am now > seeking alternative sources of information - our American cousins appear to > have commandeered the MURRAY rootsweb list and don't appear interested in > the English and Scottish origins. Hence, when I saw your posting it seemed > like a breath of fresh air. > > Looking forward to hearing from you. You never know, we may be related!! > > Best regards > > Len Heyward > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andrew And Jenny > Murray > Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:00 AM > To: ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-MAN] MURRAY > > > Hi everyone, I have just returned to this list after an extended break. I > am > researching many ancestors in the Manchester area, but at this moment > concentrating on my MURRAY and HEWITT surnames. > Andy Murray > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Len That's very much of interest to me. As you've probably gathered, I am struggling at the moment to link my Cardwell with a certain family, but if I ever make links to Ireland I will certainly be in touch. Best regards Joanne -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Len Heyward Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 7:59 PM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] CARDWELL Hello List; There seems to be a flurry of interest at the moment regarding the CARDWELL family. While I cannot input anything useful towards the Manchester CARDWELLs, if anybody is interested in the CARDWELLs primarily from Loughgall, County Armagh, Ireland, I have quite a deal of data that may be of assistance. Please contact me off list. Regards Len Heyward :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List; There seems to be a flurry of interest at the moment regarding the CARDWELL family. While I cannot input anything useful towards the Manchester CARDWELLs, if anybody is interested in the CARDWELLs primarily from Loughgall, County Armagh, Ireland, I have quite a deal of data that may be of assistance. Please contact me off list. Regards Len Heyward

Interesting! Now all I need to do is find a way to prove that my Elizabeth is related to all of these other Cardwells - simples! Joanne -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 12:53 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Cardwells Hi Joane, I see the Windles used the same church. Baptism: 15 Jul 1832 Gravel Lane Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Salford, Lancashire, England Sarah Windle - Daughter of George Windle & Sarah     Born: 31 May 1832     Abode: Caygill Street Salford     Occupation: Labourer     Baptised by: T H Squance     Register: Baptisms 1793 - 1840, Entry 1265     Source: LDS Film 560900 Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada >________________________________ > From: Joanne Humphrey <joanne1humphrey@gmail.com> >To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com >Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:40:08 AM > >I feel fairly confident that I have located William Cardwell in the >1841 census where there is a 55-year-old blacksmith of that name living >in Greengate, Salford. He is with the family of George and Sarah Windle >(Sarah could be his daughter baptised in 1796, although Ancestry has a >marriage of George Windle and Sarah Horsfall in 1829 and there is a >Horsefall in the same household as well).<snmipped> :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 1:58 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Cardwells Hi Joanne, I have sent you a map showing Caygill street in Greengate and the Chapel. Not in this map but to the east almost in a straight line across the river and about 15 minutes walk is Balloon street. Not far from the Cathedral. Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Irene I agree that something just doesn't feel right about Elizabeth and the family of William and Mary, but I'll keep plugging away and see what I can make certain. I always feel a little bereft when I have to let a family go, but I must remind myself that if I do find that this family isn't mine, I'd never even heard of them a week ago so I can get over it! Joanne -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Irene Marlborough Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 8:03 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Cardwells Hello Joanne: I don't know about your ancestors but mine lied about their ages all the time. In 1841 age should have been rounded down to the nearest 5 years. It looks as if Elizabeth may have rounded her age up - if the age of 38 is anywhere near correct in 1851. I think you might have to step back from the children of William & Mary. BTW, William's occupation is given on his marriage entry. It says, smith - consistent with later entries of blacksmith at the baptisms of the children. But so far, there's been nothing that would really convince me that you have the correct parentage for your Elizabeth. It's still possible but it doesn't feel right yet. Keep working at it - you may get there eventually. Best wishes, Irene :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Irene I looked up the 1845 marriage for Ellener, hoping that her age would be given and I could cross-match her with the one from the 1841 census - she would have stood out as a more than 35-year-old marrying at that time, but unfortunately, the MC just says she was of full age. However, Joseph appears in 1851 where he is a widow, aged 46. He was therefore 40 when he married so there is a likelihood that Ellener was an older bride as well which is promising. I haven't been able to find Ellener's death registered as yet, but if I do I may order a copy as that will give me her exact age. I suspect Bispham is a name which was often mis-spelled! The names of the two witnesses are not familiar to me yet. I think I will spend my evening building as full a tree as I can of William and Mary's family and try to get my head around what else I can do to make links. Thank you Joanne -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Irene Marlborough Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 8:44 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Cardwells Here's another snippet to add to your list. This evidence may eventually build sufficient confidence to establish your links. Eleanor Cardwell (signed Ellener) married Joseph Bispham at the Collegiate Church in 1845. Her father was William Cardwell, a smith. The witnesses were of no help to me but perhaps they mean something to you. Worth a look. Best wishes, Irene :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message