Thank you for this Mike. I am hoping to have some time tomorrow to go through these maps in detail and I will check your Nortons Court against my Nathans Court. Thanks Joanne -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris Sent: Sunday, 24 February 2013 3:22 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Cardwells I noticed in an 1844 map with Caygill street, Salford that two streets over in a north east direction over Greengate was an Iron Foundry and next to it was a Nortons Court. Mike Morris  Toronto Canada >________________________________ > From: Irene Marlborough <imarlb@sbcglobal.net> >To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:59:54 AM > >This looks promising and worth some more work. There is a possible matching >William on the 1851 census for Salford. He's an iron dresser at a foundry. >He's married to Mary. They have these children Susannah, Joseph, Sarah Ann, >Thomas and Ellen. Everyone was born in Salford. >I think it's likely that this William & Mary married before 1833 as there's  >a child Margaret baptised at the Collegiate Church to a William & Mary of >Salford (Moulder). <snipped> > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Irene Sorry for the delay in replying to thank you for your email. I am hoping to have some time tomorrow so I'll see what I can make of the William in 1851. Salford definitely seems to be the pattern with this family, rather than Manchester. I will keep looking for a marriage of the parents of Susannah. Thank you again for the time you have spent and the advice you have offered me. I will keep you posted when I eventually put more pieces together. Best wishes Joanne -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Irene Marlborough Sent: Sunday, 24 February 2013 3:00 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Cardwells Hi Joanne: This looks promising and worth some more work. There is a possible matching William on the 1851 census for Salford. He's an iron dresser at a foundry. He's married to Mary. They have these children Susannah, Joseph, Sarah Ann, Thomas and Ellen. Everyone was born in Salford. Susannah was baptised at the Collegiate Church on Easter Sunday 1837 and her father was a mechanic. So her parents (unfortunately) will have been married before Civil Registration began. Even so, I can't find a suitable marriage yet. I think it's likely that this William & Mary married before 1833 as there's a child Margaret baptised at the Collegiate Church to a William & Mary of Salford (Moulder). The family can be tracked through the censuses. I looked in case there was an aged parent living with them but there are no surprises. Just put this family on the pile of evidence and see what else turns up. Best wishes, Irene :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would second this. I put a message in the MEN 'In Touch' a few years back and managed to find some cousins of my dad's he had last seen in 1958. Sadly, my dad had died before I contacted the cousins, but the rest of the family has kept in touch and we get together for a pub lunch about every 18 months and exchange Christmas cards and the occasional phone call. I would recommend everyone to try to trace living relatives before it’s too late. Joanne -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris Sent: Monday, 25 February 2013 1:55 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Fw: Roy Swann Send an e-mail query to the Manchester Evening News 'In Touch' section Mike Morris  Toronto Canada  >________________________________ > From: eddie lunt <eddie.lunt@ntlworld.com> >To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:06:50 AM >Subject: [ENG-MAN] Fw: Roy Swann > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "eddie lunt" <eddie.lunt@ntlworld.com> >To: <Eng-Manchester@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:20 PM >> Subject: Telephone Directory 1975 to 1977 Manchester. > > Does anyone know where I can find an address for someone living in  Chorlton > cum Hardy, Manchester area?  The name of the person is or was Roy Swann <snip> > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joanne, Accidentally deleted your last message concerning my James and John Murray and Ireland! But: Due to my lack of progress it has crossed my mind- all I can go off is the 1861 and 1871 Census' I have, both of which give James Murray's place of birth as Manchester. Could he in 1841 and 1851 be listed as being of Irish birth, and later adapted it to his place of residence maybe? Andy Sent from my iPad On 26 Feb 2013, at 06:59, "Joanne Humphrey" <joanne1humphrey@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Andy > > It's a good job you did send the reply to the list as well because I never > received the one you sent just to me. Thanks for the details of your > Murrays. The only name which matches with one of mine is James and my James > was born much later than that so I don't think we've found a connection just > yet. > > You never know what will turn up though! > > Joanne > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andy and Jenny > Murray > Sent: Saturday, 23 February 2013 8:15 AM > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] MURRAY > > Hi Gilly, > I have just given this infomation to Joanne's question-being new to this > list I am not sure if I have to reply to each person individually or can do > it all in one go and everybody on the thread will view it? > > Basically my Murray ancestors are: > (Father) Fred Murray 1940-2003 > Fred Murray 1915-1992 > John Murray 1862-1926 > James Murray c1838-1878 > John Murray ?-? > > Andy > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:03 AM, gillykh <gillykh@cox.net> wrote: > >> HI Andy, >> Perhaps you could tell us what info you have ,and what info you would > like. >> Gilly >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andrew And >> Jenny Murray >> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 3:00 PM >> To: ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [ENG-MAN] MURRAY >> >> >> Hi everyone, I have just returned to this list after an extended >> break. I am researching many ancestors in the Manchester area, but at >> this moment concentrating on my MURRAY and HEWITT surnames. >> Andy Murray >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >> Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >> Other people can learn from them! >> >> Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. >> >> Please SNIP when replying. >> >> Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No >> fees! >> >> >> :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >> Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >> Other people can learn from them! >> >> Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. >> >> Please SNIP when replying. >> >> Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No >> fees! >> >> :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Andy I have just done a few quick searches on Ancestry for your James and John in 1841 and 1851. There certainly don't seem to be any obvious matches. Are you sure that James was born in Manchester? My Murray ancestors came to Manchester from Ireland in the 1850s and I was wondering if that could have been the case for yours as well, which would explain why they weren't on the earlier censuses. Joanne -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andy and Jenny Murray Sent: Saturday, 23 February 2013 8:10 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] MURRAY Hi Joanne, the furthest Murray I have located is my gt gt grandfather James Murray. He was born about 1838, but the earliest record I have for him is his wedding certificate in 1859.(I have him on the 1861 and 1871 census, and his death certificate.) If I recall correctly-I began this around 15 years ago and had a break(!) the reasons for my struggle to find him before 1859- I applied for a couple of birth certificates for around 1838, but received a letter stating that the name of the father was wrong. (From his wedding certificate his father's name was John Murray, a weaver.) Next, with him getting married in 1859, I tried the 1861 census. I found him now living with his wife and two young children at a different address to where he was living two years previous on his wedding certificate. So I thought if I found this address it may be his parents home. It was 45 Angel Street, which I think was a lodging house. So without knowing his mothers name I am struggling to find/prove between 1838 and 1859,a James Murray, born in Manchester around 1838, son of John Murray, weaver, Andy On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Joanne Humphrey <joanne1humphrey@gmail.com>wrote: > Hi Andy > > I am also researching Murray ancestors in Manchester, but there are so > many of them and mine don't have unusual forenames so what I know is a > bit sparse. > > They came from Londonderry in the 1850s and consisted of Catherine, b > about > 1803 and her children Susan, Margaret, Catherine, James and William. I > am descended from Susan. Do any of those sound familiar? > > Joanne > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gillykh > Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 4:04 PM > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] MURRAY > > HI Andy, > Perhaps you could tell us what info you have ,and what info you would like. > Gilly > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andrew And > Jenny Murray > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 3:00 PM > To: ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-MAN] MURRAY > > > Hi everyone, I have just returned to this list after an extended > break. 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Hi Andy It's a good job you did send the reply to the list as well because I never received the one you sent just to me. Thanks for the details of your Murrays. The only name which matches with one of mine is James and my James was born much later than that so I don't think we've found a connection just yet. You never know what will turn up though! Joanne -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andy and Jenny Murray Sent: Saturday, 23 February 2013 8:15 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] MURRAY Hi Gilly, I have just given this infomation to Joanne's question-being new to this list I am not sure if I have to reply to each person individually or can do it all in one go and everybody on the thread will view it? Basically my Murray ancestors are: (Father) Fred Murray 1940-2003 Fred Murray 1915-1992 John Murray 1862-1926 James Murray c1838-1878 John Murray ?-? Andy On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:03 AM, gillykh <gillykh@cox.net> wrote: > HI Andy, > Perhaps you could tell us what info you have ,and what info you would like. > Gilly > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andrew And > Jenny Murray > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 3:00 PM > To: ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-MAN] MURRAY > > > Hi everyone, I have just returned to this list after an extended > break. I am researching many ancestors in the Manchester area, but at > this moment concentrating on my MURRAY and HEWITT surnames. > Andy Murray > Sent from my iPad > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Joanne, Because of the match of names, I wonder if you know anything about a William Humphrey Murray in my tree. I have it that he was born 2Feb1833, probably in Salford. In 1856 he married Elizabeth Burslem in Chorlton, and in 1863 their son George was born in Aldershot, Hampshire. But in the 1971 census George (age 8) is in the Chorlton workhouse, possibly with his mother, and Wm.Humphrey is nowhere to be found. Aldershot was (and is) a military training centre, so I’m wondering if Wm.Humphrey Murray perished in a war somewhere. David.

From: "Joanne Humphrey" <joanne1humphrey@gmail.com> > I would second this. I put a message in the MEN 'In Touch' a few > years back and managed to find some cousins of my dad's he had last seen in > 1958. Sadly, my dad had died before I contacted the cousins, but the rest > of the family has kept in touch and we get together for a pub lunch about > every 18 months and exchange Christmas cards and the occasional phone call. I > would recommend everyone to try to trace living relatives before itŽs too > late.> Could I heartily second, third and fourth this point!!! It's an issue on which I feel very strongly and have frequently written about. I do not understand why some people get so prissy and pretentious about their privacy and it drives me slightly potty when I see family trees where a decision has been taken to withhold any information on living people. In my view, family historians are the last people who should be exercising censorship. I've seen it even in relation to some very famous people who really cannot expect to have the details of their ancestry protected and withheld. Rootsweb, technically, has a policy of not permitting mention of living persons on their lists, which I personally oppose and ignore when it suits me, especially when it concerns someone famous. Surely family history is just as much about the living as the dead and how are we to make the links and connections to the past unless we can communicate with living relatives who may well have vital information to impart? Who knows what lies out there in the form of old family documents, wills, letters, certificates, books, heirlooms, etc which you may be missing out on? As Joanne so rightly says, don't leave it until it's too late! I've met some lovely distant cousins through contacting them out of the blue and we've become lifelong friends. After all, if you approach someone and they're not interested, they always have the right not to respond, don't they? At least you've tried and if they don't want to know, that's their prerogative. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Joanne,  I found Nathans Court off Fredrick street. and sent you a couple of map sections showing the court in various sizes. Also found in 1841 an Ellen CARDWELL living there. I thought you were looking for a family off CARDWELL'S ? The court is about 8 to ten minutes walk to the south west of Caygill. Regards  Mike Morris  Toronto Canada

Hi Joan, Many thanks. You could well be right. Has anyone else got any ideas? Thanks again Christine -----Original Message----- From: Joan Holgate Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 5:59 PM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Walter PROCTOR and his family The end of the address seemed to be 'brook' ? From: Christine Benson <christinebenson313@btinternet.com> To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 25 February 2013, 18:50 Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Walter PROCTOR and his family Hi Liane, Many thanks. That is what I thought it said for Norman but wanted someone else's opinion as Salisbury is not in South Africa. But that is not to say that his mother did not think it was and there is a record of an N Proctor going to Cape Town which could be him which misled her. Or it could be Salisbury Island. I got Australia for Frederick but it also seems to say N 2 after it and I wondered if it could be NZ for New Zealand. I had never heard of the Bush Brotherhood so I am going to have to look them up. But he was a theological student so that fits. With Thomas I got as far as Hotel. I still can't make out the rest even knowing what you think it is. In 1911 Thomas is a student vet. I will follow up these leads. Thanks again, Christine -----Original Message----- From: lfenimore Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:12 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Walter PROCTOR and his family Christine, For Norman it appears to be Salisbury, South Africa. There is a Salisbury Island at Durban. Frederick looks like Bush Brotherhood, Australia. They were an Anglican group [clergy] in Australia. Thomas seems to be living at the ?Clermont hotel, (xxxxxxxx), Dunkirk?. The mother and Albert look like the same address and for Elizabeth it also looks like 203 + same street name + Openshaw, as mother and Albert. Liane

Hi Liane, Many thanks. That is what I thought it said for Norman but wanted someone else's opinion as Salisbury is not in South Africa. But that is not to say that his mother did not think it was and there is a record of an N Proctor going to Cape Town which could be him which misled her. Or it could be Salisbury Island. I got Australia for Frederick but it also seems to say N 2 after it and I wondered if it could be NZ for New Zealand. I had never heard of the Bush Brotherhood so I am going to have to look them up. But he was a theological student so that fits. With Thomas I got as far as Hotel. I still can't make out the rest even knowing what you think it is. In 1911 Thomas is a student vet. I will follow up these leads. Thanks again, Christine -----Original Message----- From: lfenimore Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:12 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Walter PROCTOR and his family Christine, For Norman it appears to be Salisbury, South Africa. There is a Salisbury Island at Durban. Frederick looks like Bush Brotherhood, Australia. They were an Anglican group [clergy] in Australia. Thomas seems to be living at the ?Clermont hotel, (xxxxxxxx), Dunkirk?. The mother and Albert look like the same address and for Elizabeth it also looks like 203 + same street name + Openshaw, as mother and Albert. Liane

The end of the address seemed to be 'brook' ? From: Christine Benson <christinebenson313@btinternet.com> To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 25 February 2013, 18:50 Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Walter PROCTOR and his family Hi Liane, Many thanks. That is what I thought it said for Norman but wanted someone else's opinion as Salisbury is not in South Africa. But that is not to say that his mother did not think it was and there is a record of an N Proctor going to Cape Town which could be him which misled her. Or it could be Salisbury Island. I got Australia for Frederick but it also seems to say N 2 after it and I wondered if it could be NZ for New Zealand. I had never heard of the Bush Brotherhood so I am going to have to look them up. But he was a theological student so that fits. With Thomas I got as far as Hotel. I still can't make out the rest even knowing what you think it is. In 1911 Thomas is a student vet. I will follow up these leads. Thanks again, Christine -----Original Message----- From: lfenimore Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:12 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Walter PROCTOR and his family Christine, For Norman it appears to be Salisbury, South Africa.  There is a Salisbury Island at Durban. Frederick looks like Bush Brotherhood, Australia.  They were an Anglican group [clergy] in Australia. Thomas seems to be living at the ?Clermont hotel, (xxxxxxxx), Dunkirk?. The mother and Albert look like the same address and for Elizabeth it also looks like 203 + same street name + Openshaw, as mother and Albert. Liane   :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No fees!  :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, Walter PROCTOR joined the army in 1914 and died in 1918, military service no 17989. He was born 2 Oct 1891 in Harpurhey, the son of Frederick PROCTOR and Mary Ann. There is a service record for him on Ancestry. On image 5840 there is a list of his family. Unfortunately it is very difficult to read. The list is the family in 1920. His father died in 1918. His mother, Mary Ann was living at 203, Grey Mare Lane with Albert. I cannot read the addresses for Thomas, Norman and Frederick. Some I can make some guesses at but I would rather hear your ideas before I bias them. I would expect Elizabeth to be living with her mother at that time and I have no idea about Edith yet but their addresses are even more unreadable. I would be very grateful to anyone who has a stab at interpreting them. Christine

Some little while ago I sought the assistance of the group with regard to the baptismal details of Sir Oswald Brierly (1817-1894), who was Marine Artist to Queen Victoria. I received some very helpful advice. Brierly says, in his writings, that he was entitled to armorial bearings and this was confirmed in Burkes' "General Amory of England ….", which refers to "Brierly of Mopley Hall Co of Chester". The description of the crest in Burke is exactly that used by Brierly in all his correspondence. My problem is that I cannot find any reference to either "Mopley Hall" or indeed a place called Mopley in the County of Chester. There was an ancient church of All Saints in Chester, which was rebuilt in the 19th century and is now the secular Guildhall in Watergate Street, Chester. It has some tenuous connection with the name "Mopley" I was hoping someone with "local knowledge" might be able to give me a pointer in the right direction. Regards Trevor Armstrong Email: trevorarmstrong@iinet.net.au 2/28 Black Street Brighton Vic 3186 Australia Tel: +61 3 9593 2829

Christine, For Norman it appears to be Salisbury, South Africa. There is a Salisbury Island at Durban. Frederick looks like Bush Brotherhood, Australia. They were an Anglican group [clergy] in Australia. Thomas seems to be living at the ?Clermont hotel, (xxxxxxxx), Dunkirk?. The mother and Albert look like the same address and for Elizabeth it also looks like 203 + same street name + Openshaw, as mother and Albert. Liane

Hello Irene Thank you for your reply . I have a number of wills from this period. One of them is the George Travis who died 1584. He mentions his son & heir George but no Thomas. None of the other wills I have obtained so far give me a definite link between the two Travis lines yet. I wonder if George jnr and Thomas are cousins. This is my hunch unless I can prove otherwise. I had not thought of DNA testing but I will have a look at the website. I am hoping that more documents from this earlier period become available. I am thinking that Manchester Family History Group should be next place to enquire. regards Julie On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Irene Marlborough <imarlb@sbcglobal.net>wrote: > Have you tried wills? There are lots of TRAVIS wills available. See > Lancashire Will Search here - http://user.xmission.com/~nelsonb/lws.htm. > Example - there is a will for John TRAVIS of Cheetham in 1590. And quite a > few later wills for TRAVISes of Blackley. > > If you have known male line descendents from both branches then a Y-DNA > comparison would be something to try. There is at least one TRAVIS project > already underway. See > http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Travis. But you should > search further to see what else is out there. > > Best wishes, Irene > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Eddie This link permits searching for residential phone numbers, but sadly only for those using BT's service, and many don't: http://www.thephonebook.bt.com/publisha.content/en/search/residential/search.publisha A search has indicated an R. Swann living on Stockport Road.Of course, the R may not be for Roy, but it's roughly the right area. Good luck! Pam. On 24/02/2013 14:06, eddie lunt wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "eddie lunt" <eddie.lunt@ntlworld.com> > To: <Eng-Manchester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:20 PM > Subject: [ENG-MAN] Roy Swann > > >> Subject: Telephone Directory 1975 to 1977 Manchester. >> >> >> Hi everyone, gosh its cold today here in Cheshire, roll on summer. >> >> Does anyone know where I can find an address for someone living in >> Chorlton >> cum Hardy, Manchester area? >> >> The name of the person is or was Roy Swann and he was or is the son of my >> my >> aunt Elizabeth Lunt who married Edgar Swann and Roy was I hope still >> living >> in Manchester around that time, well he must have been because >> he married Lynn Jones in 1963. >> >> I wanted to find a phone no and address for him, through the telephone >> book >> for those years. >> Ive no idea where I could find the telephone directories? >> >> Any help at all please no matter how small, thanks a bundle. >> >> Ted Lunt. >> >> >> >> >> :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >> Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >> Other people can learn from them! >> >> Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. >> >> Please SNIP when replying. >> >> Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No >> fees! >> >> :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2641/6125 - Release Date: 02/23/13 >> > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Have you tried wills? There are lots of TRAVIS wills available. See Lancashire Will Search here - http://user.xmission.com/~nelsonb/lws.htm. Example - there is a will for John TRAVIS of Cheetham in 1590. And quite a few later wills for TRAVISes of Blackley. If you have known male line descendents from both branches then a Y-DNA comparison would be something to try. There is at least one TRAVIS project already underway. See http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Travis. But you should search further to see what else is out there. Best wishes, Irene