Hello List; I am trying to find any connections with my Samuel LORD family of Radcliffe, Manchester. This has now become one of my brick walls. The following is obtained from the 1851 census. Samuel LORD, born about 1814 in Radcliffe, married in Nov 1835 Alice LOMAX, born about 1815 in Little Lever. They had numerous children, Elizabeth c1836, Robert 1838, Peter 1840, Mary Annie 1843, Henry 1845, Alice 1848, James 1850, Emilia or Emma 1852, Sarah 1855, Samuel 1856, Robert 1860. Also looking for connections with the Henery or Henry LORD family of Oldham, Manchester. I believe they may be related to the family above - the same first names getting used in both families. Henery LORD, born in 1821 in Oldham, married in 1840 in Oldham Sarah or Sally HOWARD, born in 1818 in Lancashire. They also had a large family, William M. c1841, John ?, Edward 1847, Hannah 1848, James 1849, Susanna 1852, Henry ? This second family emigrated to Victoria, Australia in 1855. I have been unable to get back beyond the two LORD families above. Any information gratefully received. Regards Len Heyward

Hello all you clever Manchester researchers, here's one for you. My Samuel Boffey (various versions, even Befey - father Samuel Boffey, mother Phebe Linney) and his wife Ann Dale married at Manchester Cathedral 1795 and managed to produce 10 children. Samuel & Ann moved to Oswestry, Shropshire, where Samuel became a builder and inn keeper and ended up a gentleman if you please. Up to recent times I had managed to find all his children's baptisms at Manchester Cathedral and the continuing family history of four of the children, particular Sarah b. 1795 from whom I am descended. The other six children left me a puzzle, no marriages etc., until the Lancashire OPC came up with most of them dying less than one year old 1801-1806. Diseases? Apart from the four in Oswestry, two others in Manchester lived on, one son to 1822 and Hannah to 1814, the entry of burial reads "Abode Lomas's Buildings." I'm just wondering what my Samuel was doing there at the time, because originally he was shown to have been a weaver. Most of the deceased children were buried from St. Thomas, Ardwick. Perhaps the family moved from Ardwick (not exactly sure of its location at this time, but suppose I should look at some maps) back into central Manchester? Anyway, see this url. Is this the Lomas Buildings as mentioned, I wonder. The family had moved to Oswestry by 1828 as noted by the death of daughter Emma born 1812. http://manchesterhistory.net/manchester/tours/tour4/area4page67.html Any advice or info re. this little puzzle gratefully received. Best wishes to all Graham Melbourne Oz

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Morning Listers, This morning's visit to the OPC found the following databases have been added - also the search engine has been updated to include these batches as well as the entire set of records - http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 6 March 2013 Baptisms 1896 to 1902 from the Church of St Mary, in the district of Hale, Liverpool Marriages 1813 to 1816 from the Church of St Anne Richmond, Liverpool Baptisms 1858 to 1859 from the Church of St Peter, Liverpool Regards, Sally

Hello all, Todays visit to the Lancs OPC website found the following records have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 5 March 2013 Burials 1936 to 1940 from the Roman Catholic Church of Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception, Aspull, in the Town of Wigan Marriages 1933 to 1956 from the Independent Methodist Chapel in the Parish of Atherton  Marriages 1947 to 1957 from the Church of St George, Bolton Marriages 1905 to 1915 from the Church of St John, Bolton Baptisms 1844 to 1952 from Higher Bridge Street Primitive Methodist Chapel, Bolton Marriages 1921 to 1972 from the Church of St John the Baptist in the Parish of Bretherton Completes the Register of Marriages for 1843 to 1972 Marriages 1921 to 1972 from the Church of St John the Baptist in the Parish of Burscough Burials 1765 to 1781 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Eccles Updated to extend the date range and add some missing entries Banns 1972 to 1975 from Christ Church in the District of Kensington, Liverpool Marriages 1829 to 1833 from the Church of St Mary in the City of Manchester Replaces an older transcript with the contents of the Parish Registers Burials 1902 to 1909 from the Church of St John the Divine, Pemberton Baptisms 1850 to 1861 and Marriages 1868 to 1892 from the Church of St Clement, Toxteth, Liverpool Completing the Register of Baptisms for 1850 to 1876 Marriages 1925 to 1932 from the Church of St Andrew in the Town of Wigan Regards, Sally

Additions from our friends at Lancashire BMD: 2 March 2013 Added 9,516 Births for Salford RD comprising: Barton on Irwell (1906-1906); Broughton (1906-1906); Salford Greengate (1906-1906); Pendleton (1906-1906); Salford Regent Road (1906-1906); Worsley (1906-1906 Added 15,996 Births for Manchester RD comprising: Hulme (1900-1906) Added 10,015 Births for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn (1966-1973) Amended 5,492 Births for Burnley RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Padiham (1890-1901) Added 375 Marriages for Wigan and Leigh RD comprising: Scot Lane Primitive Methodist, Aspull (1951-1965); Primitive Methodist Church, Platt Bridge, Hindley (1951-1962); Primitive Methodist Church, Ashton Street, Higher Ince (1954-1968); Bethel Chapel, Atherton Road, Hindley Green (1951-1969); Primitive Methodist Church, Bolton Road, Stubshaw Cross, A-in-M (1952-1967); Primitive Methodist Church, Preston Road, Standish (1953-1971); Methodist Church, Taylors Lane, Ince (1961-1967); Christ Church, Millgate, Wigan (1951-1968); Primitive Methodist Church, Woodford St.Lamberhead Green (1954-1962); Baptist Church, King Street, Wigan (1953-1969); Hope Congregational Church, Wigan (1951-1973) ~ ~ ~ ~ Cheshire BMD has also been updated. Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

Hello Listers, This mornings visit to the OPC website found the following databases have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 4 March 2013 Marriages 1952 to 1966 from the Church of St John the Evangelist, Abram Baptisms 1813 to 1829 from the Church of St Lawrence in the Parish of Denton Baptisms 1743 to 1787 from the Church of St John the Baptist in the Parish of Lees (or Hey) Marriages 1729 to 1754 from All Saints, in the District of Newton Heath, Manchester Regards, Sally

Barbara, Thank you for your helpful suggestions - I now have heaps of leads, all I need to do is follow them through. I will certainly have a close look at Mobberley. Regards Trevor Armstrong Email: trevorarmstrong@iinet.net.au 2/28 Black Street Brighton Vic 3186 Australia Tel: +61 3 9593 2829

Joanne, Thank you - I think Mossley Hall in Congleton is a possibility. Regards Trevor Armstrong Email: trevorarmstrong@iinet.net.au 2/28 Black Street Brighton Vic 3186 Australia Tel: +61 3 9593 2829

Irene, Thank you - I am sure it is a transcription error and so I am exploring other options, including Mossley Hall in Congleton, which is a distinct possibility. Regards Trevor Armstrong Email: trevorarmstrong@iinet.net.au 2/28 Black Street Brighton Vic 3186 Australia Tel: +61 3 9593 2829

Sally, My apologies for the delay in responding - I have been in area that has very poor internet connectivity. I suspect that you are quite right - that the entry in the General Armoury Book is a spelling mistake and so I am looking at some places that sound like Mopley Hall. Regards Trevor Armstrong Email: trevorarmstrong@iinet.net.au 2/28 Black Street Brighton Vic 3186 Australia Tel: +61 3 9593 2829

Dear Andrew and Jenny Murray, Thank you for your response. Regards from Winifred Johns ----- Original Message ----- From: <eng-manchester-request@rootsweb.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:00 PM Subject: ENG-MANCHESTER Digest, Vol 8, Issue 54 > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Subject: MURRAY (Andrew And Jenny Murray) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 17:05:43 +0000 > From: Andrew And Jenny Murray <muzandmuz@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Subject: MURRAY > To: "eng-manchester@rootsweb.com" <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <C9AE17EE-3708-4595-8237-1CF1964D33D3@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Ada, unfortunately there is no link that I can see with my Hewitts in > Manchester. > > Andy > > Sent from my iPad > > On 1 Mar 2013, at 22:51, "Ada Winifred Johns" <watkin@alphalink.com.au> > wrote: > >> [In reply to your post: "Hi everyone, I have just returned to this list >> after an extended >> break. I am researching many ancestors in the Manchester area, but at >> this moment concentrating on my MURRAY and HEWITT surnames."] >> ----------------------------- >> >> Please, by any chance, might this incorporate:- >> >> Marriage no.112: When Married : 9th June 1857 >> >> Name and Surname: Alfred Hewitt : Mary Elizabeth >> Entwisle >> >> Age: 27 years : 21 >> years >> Condition: Bachelor : Spinster >> Rank or Profession: Grocer (Master) >> >> Residence at Time of Marriage: West Cowes : East Street, Southampton >> >> Father's Name and Surname: John Hewitt : Rev. Joseph Entwisle >> >> Rank or Profession of Father: Grocer : Wesleyan Minister >> >> Married in the Wesleyan Chapel, East Street, Southampton district, >> according to the rites and ceremonies of the Wesleyans ...... by me, >> Joseph >> Entwisle,.." >> >> and their subsequent descendants. initially in the Isle of Wight? >> >> Thanking you in anticipation, with kind regards >> from >> Winifred Johns >> :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >> Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >> Other people can learn from them! >> >> Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. >> >> Please SNIP when replying.

Hi Ada, unfortunately there is no link that I can see with my Hewitts in Manchester. Andy Sent from my iPad On 1 Mar 2013, at 22:51, "Ada Winifred Johns" <watkin@alphalink.com.au> wrote: > [In reply to your post: "Hi everyone, I have just returned to this list > after an extended > break. I am researching many ancestors in the Manchester area, but at > this moment concentrating on my MURRAY and HEWITT surnames."] > ----------------------------- > > Please, by any chance, might this incorporate:- > > Marriage no.112: When Married : 9th June 1857 > > Name and Surname: Alfred Hewitt : Mary Elizabeth Entwisle > > Age: 27 years : 21 > years > Condition: Bachelor : Spinster > Rank or Profession: Grocer (Master) > > Residence at Time of Marriage: West Cowes : East Street, Southampton > > Father's Name and Surname: John Hewitt : Rev. Joseph Entwisle > > Rank or Profession of Father: Grocer : Wesleyan Minister > > Married in the Wesleyan Chapel, East Street, Southampton district, > according to the rites and ceremonies of the Wesleyans ...... by me, Joseph > Entwisle,.." > > and their subsequent descendants. initially in the Isle of Wight? > > Thanking you in anticipation, with kind regards > from > Winifred Johns > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

[In reply to your post: "Hi everyone, I have just returned to this list after an extended break. I am researching many ancestors in the Manchester area, but at this moment concentrating on my MURRAY and HEWITT surnames."] ----------------------------- Please, by any chance, might this incorporate:- Marriage no.112: When Married : 9th June 1857 Name and Surname: Alfred Hewitt : Mary Elizabeth Entwisle Age: 27 years : 21 years Condition: Bachelor : Spinster Rank or Profession: Grocer (Master) Residence at Time of Marriage: West Cowes : East Street, Southampton Father's Name and Surname: John Hewitt : Rev. Joseph Entwisle Rank or Profession of Father: Grocer : Wesleyan Minister Married in the Wesleyan Chapel, East Street, Southampton district, according to the rites and ceremonies of the Wesleyans ...... by me, Joseph Entwisle,.." and their subsequent descendants. initially in the Isle of Wight? Thanking you in anticipation, with kind regards from Winifred Johns

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I have been googling Mobberley and low and behold it gives a lot of information on some of the names you are searcing for. There is also mention on the University of Manchester, and Shropshire and Alderley Edge. and Brierley. Good luck, it is probably just in the spelling. Regards, Barbara in New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Armstrong" <trevorarmstrong@iinet.net.au> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:42 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Mopley Hall, County of Chester? Sally, I too may have been guilty of not "snipping" my recent posting, so I am sending it again. I hope I can be forgiven. Some little while ago I sought the assistance of the group with regard to the baptismal details of Sir Oswald Brierly (1817-1894), who was Marine Artist to Queen Victoria. I received some very helpful advice. Brierly says, in his writings, that he was entitled to armorial bearings and this was confirmed in Burkes' "General Amory of England ….", which refers to "Brierly of Mopley Hall Co of Chester". The description of the crest in Burke is exactly that used by Brierly in all his correspondence. My problem is that I cannot find any reference to either "Mopley Hall" or indeed a place called Mopley in the County of Chester. There was an ancient church of All Saints in Chester, which was rebuilt in the 19th century and is now the secular Guildhall in Watergate Street, Chester. It has some tenuous connection with the name "Mopley" I was hoping someone with "local knowledge" might be able to give me a pointer in the right direction. Regards Trevor Armstrong Email: trevorarmstrong@iinet.net.au 2/28 Black Street Brighton Vic 3186 Australia Tel: +61 3 9593 2829 :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hi Trevor I did some Google searches (as I'm sure you have) when you first posted this query but I think I neglected to let you know. I couldn't find anything listed under 'Mopley Hall Cheshire' other than the book you refer to. I agree with a couple of others who have suggested that it is probably a misspelling of Mossley or Morley, even though I know the book is printed and you would be forgiven for trusting that. Good luck Joanne :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sally, I too may have been guilty of not "snipping" my recent posting, so I am sending it again. I hope I can be forgiven. Some little while ago I sought the assistance of the group with regard to the baptismal details of Sir Oswald Brierly (1817-1894), who was Marine Artist to Queen Victoria. I received some very helpful advice. Brierly says, in his writings, that he was entitled to armorial bearings and this was confirmed in Burkes' "General Amory of England ….", which refers to "Brierly of Mopley Hall Co of Chester". The description of the crest in Burke is exactly that used by Brierly in all his correspondence. My problem is that I cannot find any reference to either "Mopley Hall" or indeed a place called Mopley in the County of Chester. There was an ancient church of All Saints in Chester, which was rebuilt in the 19th century and is now the secular Guildhall in Watergate Street, Chester. It has some tenuous connection with the name "Mopley" I was hoping someone with "local knowledge" might be able to give me a pointer in the right direction. Regards Trevor Armstrong Email: trevorarmstrong@iinet.net.au 2/28 Black Street Brighton Vic 3186 Australia Tel: +61 3 9593 2829

Hi Ruth Don't worry; I wasn't offended. I just thought I'd inadvertently done the wrong thing because I'm quite new to the list and wasn't aware of that particular requirement. I'm very happy to be pointed in the right direction by more experienced users. Good luck with trying to get Rootsweb to update its processes! Best wishes Joanne :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message