Anthony, Many thanks again as I have been baffled by the information below which you have mentioned. I had seen this previously. I obtained the birth certificate of Joe Solomon which shows Dora's surname as Finestein. Joe also enlisted in 1918, his mother is shown as Dora. I also have Joseph's death cert but no clues whatsoever on this. However I did find a burial record which shows David as his brother but no further clues. He was born as Joe Solomon but Joseph on death cert. I next wondered if Dora was mother of Joe but not the other children but then a Sarah was born after him. Could it have been to do with the language barrier? Baffled yes I am. I believed from the BMD records that Barnett died in 1950 aged 84, Dora in 1923. Just not sure where to look now as certainly have kept looking for a marriage but without success so far. Pat

Thank you Anthony, Many thanks for taking the time to reply. In the 1911 census the place of birth is listed differently. I did make a typing error as it was around 1891 they were married according to the census. It says married for 20 years. > From: antonylambert@c5d.co.uk > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 05:51:17 +0100 > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Where is best to search > > Whilst I haven't spotted the marriage, in 1901, both Dorah & Barnett claimed > to be from Warsaw. > > Good Luck > > Antony Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia White > Sent: 30 June 2013 21:55 > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-MAN] Where is best to search > > I am searching for a marriage of Barnett Solomon and Dora Finestein? > > They lived in Manchester for a number of years from around 1900 > > On the 1911 census Barnett is listed as being from Pheterchof Ackerve > > which could be Petersberg but he is listed as being Polish. > > > > His wife is Dora(h) Finestein and they married around 1891. She was > > from Russia and is listed as being from Nycotod, and haven't a clue > > where that could be or where to start searching. This is Jewish family > > history and very new to me. > > > > Their son is Joe/Joseph Solomon who I am particulary interested in. > > He is Joe on his birth cert but on one census is Joseph and also on his > > death cert. He is listed on the Manchester Schools admission and on > > enlisting for the army in 1918. > > > > Really would love to find more on his parents but haven't a clue how > > to go about this. Any help greatly received. Many thanks > > > > Patricia White

Can, I ask an uncomfortable question please ? How do you know that Dora's maiden name was Finestein ? If you look at the 1901/1911 census, there were three Solomon children born in Stockport and two in Manchester . A quick check of Cheshire B M D suggests that the three children born in Stockport have three different mother's maiden names. David b 1898 has Tenstall, Joe b 1900 has Finestein, and Sarah b 1903 has Turner, yet the 1911 census say Barnett and Dora(h) had been married 20 years. There does not appear to be births for Solomon and Julia in Manchester at the time they were born. Leah's birth is registered in Stoke, but Stafford B M D does not give maiden names as yet. Barnet appears to have died in 1944 and his Probate grants executorship to Jacob Portnoy. Any clues there, or in the Will ? Just a few thoughts Antony Lambert -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia White Sent: 30 June 2013 21:55 To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] Where is best to search I am searching for a marriage of Barnett Solomon and Dora Finestein? They lived in Manchester for a number of years from around 1900 On the 1911 census Barnett is listed as being from Pheterchof Ackerve which could be Petersberg but he is listed as being Polish. His wife is Dora(h) Finestein and they married around 1871. She was from Russia and is listed as being from Nycotod, and haven't a clue where that could be or where to start searching. This is Jewish family history and very new to me. Their son is Joe/Joseph Solomon who I am particulary interested in. He is Joe on his birth cert but on one census is Joseph and also on his death cert. He is listed on the Manchester Schools admission and on enlisting for the army in 1918. Really would love to find more on his parents but haven't a clue how to go about this. Any help greatly received. Many thanks Patricia White :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings, Barnett SOLOMON appears on the 1891 census (RG12/3261 f 85 p 60) at 57 Robert Street, Cheetham, Manchester enumerated as follows: Lewis SOLOMON, H, M, 46, Master Tailor, Pentucof, Russia Barnett do, S, S, 21, Machiner, do do Nathan so S, S, 15, do, do do Jacob POZNER?, s-in-l, M, 29, Tailor, do do Leah do, D, M 23, - , do do Yetta do, GD, 3, - , do do Levi do, GS, 1, - , do do Rachel COHEN, Cousin, M, 30, Tailoress, Reggie?, do hth Also, Hi Antony, what are the #'s of the 1901 census page for Barnett and Dorah? The search engine at FMP doesn't seem to be able to find it... David

Whilst I haven't spotted the marriage, in 1901, both Dorah & Barnett claimed to be from Warsaw. Good Luck Antony Lambert -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia White Sent: 30 June 2013 21:55 To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] Where is best to search I am searching for a marriage of Barnett Solomon and Dora Finestein? They lived in Manchester for a number of years from around 1900 On the 1911 census Barnett is listed as being from Pheterchof Ackerve which could be Petersberg but he is listed as being Polish. His wife is Dora(h) Finestein and they married around 1871. She was from Russia and is listed as being from Nycotod, and haven't a clue where that could be or where to start searching. This is Jewish family history and very new to me. Their son is Joe/Joseph Solomon who I am particulary interested in. He is Joe on his birth cert but on one census is Joseph and also on his death cert. He is listed on the Manchester Schools admission and on enlisting for the army in 1918. Really would love to find more on his parents but haven't a clue how to go about this. Any help greatly received. Many thanks Patricia White :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am searching for a marriage of Barnett Solomon and Dora Finestein? They lived in Manchester for a number of years from around 1900 On the 1911 census Barnett is listed as being from Pheterchof Ackerve which could be Petersberg but he is listed as being Polish. His wife is Dora(h) Finestein and they married around 1871. She was from Russia and is listed as being from Nycotod, and haven't a clue where that could be or where to start searching. This is Jewish family history and very new to me. Their son is Joe/Joseph Solomon who I am particulary interested in. He is Joe on his birth cert but on one census is Joseph and also on his death cert. He is listed on the Manchester Schools admission and on enlisting for the army in 1918. Really would love to find more on his parents but haven't a clue how to go about this. Any help greatly received. Many thanks Patricia White

Thanks. Thomas, Mary and Susan are in the 1841 census, living with Thomas's father. Thomas is 45 years old to Mary's 20, which might lend a little more weight to the theory that the child was illegitimate. I can't find any death for Thomas between 1841 and Mary's marriage in 1844. Jim -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of geejay Sent: 28 June 2013 23:35 To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Baptism - child of unmarried parents Hi Jim, In 1840, if the parents were not married the fathers name would not be on the baptism, unless the vicar wrote a 'little note' alongside. Usually a child of an unmarried mother would have read, 'base born' or illegitimate child of xxx. On rare occasions if the parents were not married, but the father insisted on his name being added, the child would be recorded as dau. of Thomas xxx and Mary xxxx. Have you found them in the 1841 census? or a death/Burial for the father? Sometimes, the father just took off never to be seen again, but the woman with a child would most probably call herself a widow. As far as the marriage entry 4years later, she may have just let the vicar think she was a spinster, or he didn't ask the question. It would be ususal for the child to take the name of the step-father in the next census. So your theories are all possible, but sorting them out is the headache we all come across accasionally. Yours in Genealogy, Jan, in sunny QLD, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Whitton" <birdboot@btinternet.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:14 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Baptism - child of unmarried parents >I have found a parish baptism in 1840 recorded in the usual way,ie: > "Thomas xxxx and Mary had a daughter Susan baptised". However, I can not > find a marriage and Mary got married to someone else 4 years later and was > described as a spinster. She had her daughter Susan living with her and > her > husband in the census in 1851 and called by her husband's surname. > > > > I am wondering which is the more likely scenario: (a) that Thomas and > Mary > were not married or (b) they were married and perhaps split up, and Mary > described herself as a spinster at her marriage in 1844. Or are both of > these improbable?? > > > > Jim Whitton > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jim, In 1840, if the parents were not married the fathers name would not be on the baptism, unless the vicar wrote a 'little note' alongside. Usually a child of an unmarried mother would have read, 'base born' or illegitimate child of xxx. On rare occasions if the parents were not married, but the father insisted on his name being added, the child would be recorded as dau. of Thomas xxx and Mary xxxx. Have you found them in the 1841 census? or a death/Burial for the father? Sometimes, the father just took off never to be seen again, but the woman with a child would most probably call herself a widow. As far as the marriage entry 4years later, she may have just let the vicar think she was a spinster, or he didn't ask the question. It would be ususal for the child to take the name of the step-father in the next census. So your theories are all possible, but sorting them out is the headache we all come across accasionally. Yours in Genealogy, Jan, in sunny QLD, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Whitton" <birdboot@btinternet.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:14 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Baptism - child of unmarried parents >I have found a parish baptism in 1840 recorded in the usual way,ie: > "Thomas xxxx and Mary had a daughter Susan baptised". However, I can not > find a marriage and Mary got married to someone else 4 years later and was > described as a spinster. She had her daughter Susan living with her and > her > husband in the census in 1851 and called by her husband's surname. > > > > I am wondering which is the more likely scenario: (a) that Thomas and > Mary > were not married or (b) they were married and perhaps split up, and Mary > described herself as a spinster at her marriage in 1844. Or are both of > these improbable?? > > > > Jim Whitton > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello all, Today's visit to the OPC website found the following records have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 27 June 2013 Marriages 1860 to 1862 from All Saints, Liverpool Baptisms 1927 to 1950 from the Church of St Catherine, Abercromby Square, Liverpool Marriages 1829 to 1831 from the Church of St Peter, Liverpool Baptisms 1901 to 1921 and Marriages 1933 to 1947 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Mawdesley with Bispham The Baptisms complete the Register for 1840 to 1921 Burials 1872 to 1879 from Immanuel in the Parish of Oswaldtwistle Baptisms 1923 to 1937 from the Church of St Jude the Apostle, West Derby, Liverpool Regards, Sally

I have found a parish baptism in 1840 recorded in the usual way,ie: "Thomas xxxx and Mary had a daughter Susan baptised". However, I can not find a marriage and Mary got married to someone else 4 years later and was described as a spinster. She had her daughter Susan living with her and her husband in the census in 1851 and called by her husband's surname. I am wondering which is the more likely scenario: (a) that Thomas and Mary were not married or (b) they were married and perhaps split up, and Mary described herself as a spinster at her marriage in 1844. Or are both of these improbable?? Jim Whitton

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Hello all, Today's visit to the Lancs OPC website found the following database has been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 25 June 2013 Marriages 1845 to 1864 and 1955 to 2000 and Burials 1987 to 2008 from the Church of St Nicholas, Newchurch in Rossendale Regards, Sally

Hello all, The last update went out with an incorrect address - apologies! This is the correct link to use: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html Regards, Sally

Hello all, Today's visit to the OPC website found the following records have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org/indexw.html 24 June 2013 Burials 1862 to 1882 and 1959 to 2012 from Bacup Cemetery Burials from 1862 to 1882 were in unconsecrated ground Burials 1844 to 1887 from the Church of St Catherine, Barton upon Irwell Marriages 1856 to 1884 from the Roman Catholic Church of SS Peter and Paul, Bolton le Moors Banns 1839 to 1865 from the Church of St Mary and All Saints, Goodshaw in the district of Rossendale Burials 1895 to 1900 from the Church of St John the Evangelist, Great Marsden Baptisms 1842 to 1862 from the Church of St John the Evangelist, Pendlebury Baptisms 1872 to 1883 from the Church of St George, Pendleton Baptisms 1828 to 1837 and Marriages 1813 to 1837 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, in the Parish of Radcliffe Baptisms 1914 to 1915 from the Church of St John, in the Parish of Radcliffe Marriages 1849 to 1874 and Burials 1826 to 1854 from the Church of St Thomas, in the Parish of Radcliffe Burials 1901 to 1906 from Rawtenstall Cemetery, Rawtenstall in Rossendale Conversions 1876 to 1937 from the Roman Catholic Cathedral Church of St John the Evangelist, Salford Burials 1928 to 1981 from St Peter, Swinton Marriages 1861 to 1870 and 1915 to 1924 from St Thomas, in the Town of Wigan Regards, Sally

Hi David Pretty good deal, huh? ;-) If anyone is actually interested in adminning any lists or message boards, there are a lot to go around. To see what lists need new admins, go to <http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/> and look at the bottom right corner under the title "About Mailing Lists" and click on "here." That link will take you to <http://resources.rootsweb.ancestry.com/adopt/> where you can browse the categories of the available lists: Surnames, U.S. Counties, and All Other Topics. If you see one that takes your fancy, go to <http://resources.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/listrequest.pl> and complete the form. If there is no list that covers the area, surname. or topic of your interest, you can ask to have a list created. Go to the same link as above, <http://resources.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/listrequest.pl> and complete the form. Finding available message boards is a little trickier. Use Google or another search engine and enter into the search field: site:http://boards.ancestry.com/localities "volunteer to admin" and you'll be presented with a list of available boards. Sometimes it's difficult to determine from the search results exactly what the names of the boards are so you'll have to follow the links to the boards to find out. There you'll also see on the right side of the screen a link under Page Tools that says "Volunteer to Admin." Click on the link and follow the directions. Easy peasy. If there's no board to match your interests, you can request one. Go to the bottom of any board screen where you'll see these links: Return to Message Boards | Request New Board | Community Guidelines | Board Help | Board FAQ | Send Feedback Click on "Request New Board" and follow the directions. Kind regards, Lynne David Wightmore <dvdwmore@telus.net> wrote: > >re: I get all the air I can breathe. :-) > >wow, where do I apply??? > >dvd >

Hello Listers, Today's visit to the Lancashire Online Parish Clerk website shows the following records have been updated. www.Lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 19 June 2013 Confirmations 1984 to 2006 and Marriages 1921 to 1931, 1939 to 1947 and 1985 to 2012 from the Church of St James, in the Parish of Briercliffe Baptisms 1907 to 1919 and Marriages 1841 to 1845 and 1907 to 1920 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Burnley Baptisms 1867 to 1901 from the Church of St Andrew, in the Parish of Burnley Baptisms 1908 to 1932, Banns 1908 to 1920 and 1975 to 2013, Marriages 1989 to 2012 and Cremations 1959 to 2012 from the Church of St Cuthbert, in the Parish of Burnley Baptisms 1893 to 1898 from the Church of St John the Baptist, in the Parish of Burnley Baptisms 1891 to 1901 and Banns 1901 to 1911 and 1941 to 1953 from the Church of St Stephen in the Parish of Burnley Baptisms are updated to include God Parents Baptisms 1855-1866 and Burials 1939-1950 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Mary of the Assumption in the Parish of Burnley Baptisms and Marriages 1707 to 1727 from the Chapel at Towneley Hall in the Parish of Burnley Burials 2013 from Burnley Cemetery Baptisms 1857 to 1882, Marriages 1857 to 1865 and Burials 1857 to 1883 from the Church of St Anthony in the Parish of Cartmel Marriages 1879 to 1888 and 1897 to 1900 from the Church of the Holy Trinity in the Parish of Habergham Eaves Baptisms 1896 to 1900 from the Church of St Matthew the Apostle, Habergham Eaves Regards, Sally

re: I get all the air I can breathe. :-) wow, where do I apply??? dvd

I get all the air I can breathe. :-) Lynne Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> wrote: > >and just how many bushels of corn do they ship you  ?  ;)) > >Mike >Toronto Canada > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can I please ask listers, once again to SNIP messages before replying. It is very irritating to have to read the same message six times over in the same digest posting. Thanks for reading Geoff

Hello Geoff and everyone, While I totally agree with your sentiments -- it is very frustrating to see the same message over and over and over again in Digests -- please leave the job of arbiter of list etiquette to me. Be assured that although you may not see a message from me about it on list, violators of list guidelines are contacted privately. If anyone feels subscribers need to be reminded about list guidelines, write to me privately and, if it seems warranted, I'll send out a reminder. After all, that's why I'm paid so handsomely! ;-) Thanks! Kind regards, Lynne list admin. Geoff Barlow <geoff.barlow1@ntlworld.com> wrote: > >Can I please ask listers, once again to SNIP messages before replying. It is >very irritating to have to read the same message six times over in the same >digest posting.