Hi Mike Another good suggestion. I will do that. Thank you. Joanne -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013 12:05 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Humphrey Ancestors in Norden Re questions about local records  why not try sending an e-mail to Rochdale library and ask what they might have ? , Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada >________________________________ > From: Joanne Humphrey <joanne1humphrey@gmail.com> >To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 11:10:17 PM > >It's quite possible that William was a quarryman at some point. The majority of records list him as a general labourer, which is of limited use, however, he was born in an area of Co Durham where just about everyone was a coal miner. <snip> > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mike That's great thank you. I will do some searching and see if I can track down the companies which employed people there. Thanks Joanne -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris Sent: Sunday, 14 July 2013 11:54 PM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Humphrey Ancestors in Norden A very short walk south from Norden down Edenfield road brings you to two quarries  Bagslate and Whitaker Moss quarries. Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada >________________________________ > From: Joanne Humphrey <joanne1humphrey@gmail.com> >To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 11:10:17 PM > >It's quite possible that William was a quarryman at some point. The majority of records list him as a general labourer, which is of limited use, however, he was born in an area of Co Durham where just about everyone was a coal miner. ><snip> > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mike It's quite possible that William was a quarryman at some point. The majority of records list him as a general labourer, which is of limited use, however, he was born in an area of Co Durham where just about everyone was a coal miner. In 1897 when he married in Leicestershire he said that he was a labourer on the railway works, I suspect more specifically he was a navvy. His children were all born between 1898 and 1914 and most of their BCs state that he was a general labourer or outdoor labourer, with the exception of one in Kent in 1904 when he was a sewer worker. In 1911-1912 he was one of the hundred or so previously unemployed men who were employed to dig the boating lake at Heaton Park and at the outbreak of WW1, at the age of 39 he joined a tunnelling company, which I believe was a division dominated by men who had previously been miners or navvies. On the 1901 and 1911 censuses he is listed as a navvy. I have contacted Heaton Park and have searched the available railway workers' records and have had no luck. I don't suppose you would happen to know the name of the company which employed the quarry workers in Norden? If I could track down any employment records for William I might eventually be able to find the details of his birth which have eluded me for almost 20 years! Many thanks Joanne >>:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >>Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >>Other people can learn from them! >> >>Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. >> >>Please SNIP when replying. >> >>Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No >fees! >> >> >>:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >>:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >>Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >>Other people can learn from them! >> >>Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. >> >>Please SNIP when replying. >> >>Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No >fees! >> >>:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > > >:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > >Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >Other people can learn from them! > >Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > >Please SNIP when replying. > >Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > >:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > >Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >Other people can learn from them! > >Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > >Please SNIP when replying. > >Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No >fees! > >:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mike Thank you very much for sending the copy of the map which shows Four Lane Ends as being at the end of Edenfield Road, where my great grandfather's possible father lived. This is very exciting, although I can’t possibly think how I am going to connect the two of them now. It gives me a new lead to work on though which is great. Many thanks Joanne >:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > >Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >Other people can learn from them! > >Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > >Please SNIP when replying. > >Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No fees! > > >:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >  > > >:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > >Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >Other people can learn from them! > >Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > >Please SNIP when replying. > >Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No fees!  > >:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all, Here are the latest records to be added to the OPC website - they are also available to be searched via the search engine: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 10 July 2013 Burials 1918 to 1945 from the Church of St John the Evangelist, Abram Marriages 1679 to 1722 and Burials 1722 to 1746 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn Inckudes Burials 1728 to 1746 from Darwen Chapel Marriages 1863 to 1920 from the Church of St Martin, Castleton Baptisms 1859 to 1900 from the Church of St Luke, Heywood Baptisms 1935 to 1970 from the Wesleyan Central Chapel, Liverpool Marriages 1962 to 1980 from the Church of the Holy Trinity in the Parish of Poulton-le-Sands Marriages 1895 to 1908 from St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Prestwich Baptisms 1864 to 1878 and 1915 from the Church of St Mary, in the Parish of Radcliffe Baptisms 1836 to 1855 from the Church of St James, Rawtenstall in Rossendale Baptisms 1845 to 1848 from All Saints in the Town of Wigan Marriages 1852 to 1861 from St Thomas, in the Town of Wigan Regards, Sally

Re questions about local records  why not try sending an e-mail to Rochdale library and ask what they might have ? , Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada >________________________________ > From: Joanne Humphrey <joanne1humphrey@gmail.com> >To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 11:10:17 PM > >It's quite possible that William was a quarryman at some point. The majority of records list him as a general labourer, which is of limited use, however, he was born in an area of Co Durham where just about everyone was a coal miner. <snip> > >

A very short walk south from Norden down Edenfield road brings you to two quarries  Bagslate and Whitaker Moss quarries. Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada >________________________________ > From: Joanne Humphrey <joanne1humphrey@gmail.com> >To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 11:10:17 PM > >It's quite possible that William was a quarryman at some point. The majority of records list him as a general labourer, which is of limited use, however, he was born in an area of Co Durham where just about everyone was a coal miner. ><snip> >

I wonder what his trade was? someone was researching an ancestor that traveled around with his trade and i located to the west of Norden a quarry. He was some form of stone mason. Throw some leads to me :)) Cheers Mike >________________________________ > From: Joanne Humphrey <joanne1humphrey@gmail.com> >To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 10:10:08 PM >Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Humphrey Ancestors in Norden > > >Hi Mike > >Thank you very much for sending the copy of the map which shows Four Lane >Ends as being at the end of Edenfield Road, where my great grandfather's >possible father lived. This is very exciting, although I can’t possibly >think how I am going to connect the two of them now. It gives me a new lead >to work on though which is great. > >Many thanks >Joanne > >>:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >>Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >>Other people can learn from them! >> >>Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. >> >>Please SNIP when replying. >> >>Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No >fees! >> >> >>:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>  >> >> >>:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >>Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >>Other people can learn from them! >> >>Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. >> >>Please SNIP when replying. >> >>Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No >fees!  >> >>:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >  > > >:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > >Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >Other people can learn from them! > >Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > >Please SNIP when replying. > >Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No fees! > > >:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >  > > >:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > >Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >Other people can learn from them! > >Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > >Please SNIP when replying. > >Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No fees!  > >:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Graham There are actually two Lane End Roads and I have just found a second one much closer to the area I am looking at, nearer to central Rochdale, which is probably the one you found. I'm not sure if this area would be classed as Norden or not. Hopefully someone on here will know the area well and can advise me. I'm not in a much better position than you since, although I am from the North West I am temporarily living not far from you in cold, wet, windy Ballarat! Thanks Joanne :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Graham I'm not sure. On the BC I have the address is Lane End, Norden and the registration sub-district is Spotland Furtherside, Rochdale. I think my Lane End should specifically be in Norden, whereas I think the one you have found would be in the Manchester registration district. Thanks for your reply. Joanne -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Graham Price Sent: Saturday, 13 July 2013 5:31 PM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Humphrey Ancestors in Norden Joanne, there is a Lane End Road, Greater Manchester, on Google Maps. Not sure if this is the one you are looking for, but it is at: <https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=edenfield+road,+cheesden+google+maps&ie=U TF-8&hl=en>https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=edenfield+road,+cheesden+google +maps&ie=UTF-8&hl=en Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joanne, there is a Lane End Road, Greater Manchester, on Google Maps. Not sure if this is the one you are looking for, but it is at: <https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=edenfield+road,+cheesden+google+maps&ie=UTF-8&hl=en>https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=edenfield+road,+cheesden+google+maps&ie=UTF-8&hl=en Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

I am trying to work out whether a family I have found in Norden, Lancs in 1901 might be the parents and siblings of my great grandfather, William Humphrey. William was an itinerant labourer who went all over the country wherever there was work. The distances he travelled were so great (County Durham, Leicestershire, Kent, Essex, Lancashire) that I feel there must have been something in addition to work that took him to these areas. The possible family I have found in the 1901 census was living at 552 Edenfield Road, Cheesden (I think I am reading that correctly) in Norden. At that time William and his young family was living in Lane End, Norden. I have found Edenfield Road on modern maps but I can't find Lane End and I wondered if someone with local knowledge might be able to tell me if Lane End was or is near to Edenfield Road. Many thanks Joanne

The map of 1894 shows Four Lanes End on the west side of Norden. It is in the district of Spotland and north of Bamford. Have sent you this section of the map. Had a couple of meals in Norden :)) Regards Mike Morris >________________________________ > From: Joanne Humphrey <joanne1humphrey@gmail.com> >To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 3:41:06 AM >Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Humphrey Ancestors in Norden > > >Hi Graham > >I'm not sure. On the BC I have the address is Lane End, Norden and the >registration sub-district is Spotland Furtherside, Rochdale. I think my Lane >End should specifically be in Norden, whereas I think the one you have found >would be in the Manchester registration district. > >Thanks for your reply. > >Joanne > >-----Original Message----- >From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Graham Price >Sent: Saturday, 13 July 2013 5:31 PM >To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Humphrey Ancestors in Norden > > >Joanne, there is a Lane End Road, Greater Manchester, on Google Maps. >Not sure if this is the one you are looking for, but it is at: ><https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=edenfield+road,+cheesden+google+maps&ie=U >TF-8&hl=en>https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=edenfield+road,+cheesden+google >+maps&ie=UTF-8&hl=en > > >Cheers >Graham >Melbourne >Oz > >  > > >:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > >Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >Other people can learn from them! > >Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > >Please SNIP when replying. > >Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No fees! > > >:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >  > > >:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > >Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >Other people can learn from them! > >Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > >Please SNIP when replying. > >Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No fees!  > >:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hello all Did your Lancashire ancestors originate in Ireland? If so, you may be interested in the free online magazine, Irish Lives Remembered. See https://interactivepdf.uniflip.com/2/71043/308324/pub/ Lynne

Hello all You may be interested in the latest news from the Lancashire Parish Register Society. Hot off their press, the first 2013 volume, Dalton in Furness III (1692 - 1812). Soon to be released are two CD publications: Hindley 1813-41; Haigh 1833-41; Abram 1838-41 (combined) and Preston (Holy Trinity) 1815-41. A further volume of Wigan (1741-76) will be released in 2013 and it's possible that Manchester Collegiate (1666-1700) may also be released in 2013. For more information, visit http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/lprs/ Best wishes, Lynne

Hello Listers, Here are the latest set of records to be added to the Lancs OPC website. They are also available to be searched via the search engine - www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 5 July 2013 Marriages 1903 to 1916 from the Church of St Catherine, Barton upon Irwell Marriages 1873 to 1876 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Eccles Marriages 1727 to 1754 from the Parish of Halton A new transcription from the Parish Register Marriages 1874 to 1892 from the Church of St Barnabas, Toxteth, Liverpool 2 July 2013 Baptisms 1844 to 1862 from Bridge Street Wesleyan Chapel, Bolton Baptisms 1879 to 1966 from Melbourne Rd Methodist Church, Deane Baptisms 1836 to 1866 from the Church of St Saviour, in the District of Chorlton-on-Medlock, Manchester Marriages 1889 to 1908 from the Church of St Stephen, in the District of Hulme, Manchester Baptisms 1851 to 1864 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, in the Parish of Radcliffe Burials 1838 to 1847 from the Roman Catholic Church of St John in the Town of Wigan Regards, Sally

This was the original posting: "I am searching for a marriage of Barnett Solomon and Dora Finestein? They lived in Manchester for a number of years from around 1900 On the 1911 census Barnett is listed as being from Pheterchof Ackerve which could be Petersberg but he is listed as being Polish. His wife is Dora(h) Finestein and they married around 1871. She was from Russia and is listed as being from Nycotod, and haven't a clue where that could be or where to start searching. This is Jewish family history and very new to me. Their son is Joe/Joseph Solomon who I am particulary interested in. He is Joe on his birth cert but on one census is Joseph and also on his death cert. He is listed on the Manchester Schools admission and on enlisting for the army in 1918. Really would love to find more on his parents but haven't a clue how to go about this. Any help greatly received. Many thanks Patricia White" Next Antony mentioned that the 1901 census said they were from Warsaw. I found Barnett w/ his father and family in 1891 in Cheetham. Said Jacob POZNER? was his brother-in-law. Antony mentioned a will from Barnett where the executor was Jacob PORTNOY who turns out to be Jacob POZNER? My last message (which hasn't come through yet) mentions that Jacob and Leah (SOLOMON) PORTNOY (Barnetts brother-in-law and sister) had two children on the 1891, and the youngest was Yetta. This is what leads me to thinking that Barnett and Dora(h) would re-use that name, as a family tradition, perhaps... Short and sweet, but you should get in touch with Patricia White hth David

Hello List, I somehow missed the start of the Solomon thread so I am not sure what was asked but I have quite a bit of Solomon information. Please could you let me know what the original message was and then I will see if I am able to help. thank you Kath ________________________________ From: David Wightmore <dvdwmore@telus.net> To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 4 July 2013, 7:21 Subject: [ENG-MAN] SOLOMON childern listed on the 1911 census Greetings, Some of this is a stab in the dark, but these are the birth references I gleaned for the Barnett and Dora(h) SOLOMON children listed on the 1911 census. SOLOMON Saul - Cheetham Manchester CHE/84/4 - 1893 (LancashireBMD) SOLOMON Yetta - Cheetham Manchester CHE/89/85 -1895 (LancashireBMD) (1901 census - listed as Hettie, 1911 as Julia?) SOLOMON Leah - Stoke T. 6b 190 - Mar 1897 (FreeBMD) SOLOMON David Stockport 8a 64 - Jun 1898 (FreeBMD) SOLOMON Joe Stockport 8a 53 - Mar 1900 (FreeBMD) SOLOMON Sarah Stockport 8a 55 - Mar 1903 (FreeBMD) I'm thinking, if Joseph was registered as Joe, why wouldn't Solomon be registered as Saul? Yetta/Hetty/Julia... that's another story (and my stab in the dark)! No mention of Mother's name anywhere. I'm thinking that you may want certs for Saul, maybe Yetta, and probably David. hth David   :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No fees!  :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, >>which could be Petersberg but he is listed as being Polish. >> She was from Russia and is listed as being from Nycotod, and haven't a >> clue where that could be or where to start searching. This is Jewish >> family... On the Ellis Island database and also on Ebay the town/village of Peterkov, Russia shows up as a place of origin for immigrants and also on some old Judaica. Could be the same as Pheterckof or Pertucof. On the search engine for Jewish immigrants created by Steve Morse you can search by surname or by place of origin. I saw a Petrikoff/Piotrkow [Pol] and other variations. There are SZULMANS from Petrokow, Russia and ZALEMANS from Piotrkow, Poland. Petrokow [Rus spelling] - Piotrkow [Polish]. It may be the same place. http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/eidb/ellisgold.html With Jewish immigrants look closely at any neighbors, especially in the earlier censuses. Since Pozner was a son-in-law and came from the same place, that helps. In the Ellis Island database there are two Finestines, 31 Finesteins and more than 900 Feinsteins. >>why wouldn't Solomon be registered as Saul? Dave's suggestion may be correct: On the ship Grosser Kurfuerst, one Saul Finestein [24] from Manchester, b in England in 1880, landed in NYC in 1904, going to his father Myer Finestein already in NYC. In 1901 the Myer Feinstein family are in Cheetham and the son is called SOLOMON Feinstein, so Solomon and Saul can be interchangeable. Could these Feinsteins be relatives? Liane

Greetings, Some of this is a stab in the dark, but these are the birth references I gleaned for the Barnett and Dora(h) SOLOMON children listed on the 1911 census. SOLOMON Saul - Cheetham Manchester CHE/84/4 - 1893 (LancashireBMD) SOLOMON Yetta - Cheetham Manchester CHE/89/85 -1895 (LancashireBMD) (1901 census - listed as Hettie, 1911 as Julia?) SOLOMON Leah - Stoke T. 6b 190 - Mar 1897 (FreeBMD) SOLOMON David Stockport 8a 64 - Jun 1898 (FreeBMD) SOLOMON Joe Stockport 8a 53 - Mar 1900 (FreeBMD) SOLOMON Sarah Stockport 8a 55 - Mar 1903 (FreeBMD) I'm thinking, if Joseph was registered as Joe, why wouldn't Solomon be registered as Saul? Yetta/Hetty/Julia... that's another story (and my stab in the dark)! No mention of Mother's name anywhere. I'm thinking that you may want certs for Saul, maybe Yetta, and probably David. hth David