Joanne,              That is so fantastic. Now if I could have the same look with my ggggrandfather and gggggrandparents in finding their parents.     Carla ________________________________ From: Joanne Humphrey <joanne1humphrey@gmail.com> To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 11:59 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Success after all these years!!! Dear Listers I thought I would share this news with the list because no one else really quite understands my excitement. After 16 years of searching I have found my great grandad! I always had plenty of records of him from his marriage in 1897 onwards, but no matter what I tried I could never seem to find him in any censuses prior to that and never a hint of a birth record. In desperation I tried looking for possible fathers for him and planned to work them forwards to try to prove a link. Thanks to the help of some people on this list a few weeks back, I discovered that one of those possible fathers, William Humphrey, was living in virtually the same street as my great grandad, also William Humphrey, in 1901. After following the family of William senior both backwards and forwards I managed to trace members of his family to a village in Cambridgeshire and last night I found my William as a six-year-old living with his aunt, William's senior's sister in 1881. This gave me the link I needed to prove that William senior did actually have a son, William, of the exact age to be my William and born about 20 miles from where I have always thought my William was born. I hardly slept last night in the excitement and will be a bag of nerves until the birth certificate arrives in the post later this week. I am sure you will all understand my excitement. I always said I was never going to stop looking and I am so thrilled that I didn't. Joanne :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No fees!  :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am still trying to find a birth record or baptism for George Wilson b 1891. According to the 1891 census the family were as follows: Reference RG12/3232 Page No. 34 Address: 41 Lime Street, Ancoats, Manchester, Ecclesiastical Parish St Johns Ancoats Robert Wilson, Head, 55, General Labourer, Scotland (in fact he was born in Ruabaon) Elizabeth Wilson, 45, Wife, -, Montgomery, Wales Ada Wilson, Daughter, 22, Cotton ... Tenter, Manchester Mabel Alice Wilson, Daughter, 18, Wash Laundress, Shropshire William W Wilson, Son, 19, Groom Ostler, Shropshire Charles B Wilson, Son, 17, Coiling Wire Works, Shropshire Maud S H Wilson, Daughter, 13, Feeder Printing Press, Shropshire Mahala B Wilson Daughter, 9, Scholar, Manchester George Wilson, Son, 1 mos,-, Manchester I have been trying to find any information on the Church of St John, Ancoats, but have only found St John's Church off Deansgate. I have not found a birth certificate for a George Wilson with father Robert and mother Elizabeth. In the 1901 census George's place of birth is given as Crumpsall, Manchester. Was there a workhouse there in 1891 where he could have been born if by chance he was illegitimate? If anyone can help with locating the church of St John, Ancoats or where in Ancoats Lime Street was, I would be grateful. Kathleen Wilson.

>> birth record or baptism for George Wilson b 1891. The 1901 says he was born Crumpsall - wasn't that Prestwich reg. district in 1891? Is there any chance he was born to one of his older sisters? Liane

Your Grey Man sounds as though he was a really interesting guy. As far as I know a Grey Man was and is someone who hides in the background and doesn't give anything away which would fit in with the census if he didn't want to divulge info. Just checked and it's does show up online in The Urban Dictionary. Hope this helps. -------------------------------

Lime Street was shown as in the area of New Mills in the census, I located it on the border of Miles Platting.  The church is as follows St John the Evangelist, Oldham Road, Miles Platting, M40 7AQ St John the Evangelist is located at OS Grid Reference - SJ 856995 Founded: 1854 Closed: 1972 Registers for this church are held at Manchester Central Library. See the MCL catalogue I have sent you a map section showing Lime Street. Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada >________________________________ > From: The Wilsons <wilsonro@manx.net> >To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com >Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 3:49:46 PM >S >I am still trying to find a birth record or baptism for George Wilson b >1891. >According to the 1891 census the family were as follows: > >Reference RG12/3232  Page No. 34 >Address: 41 Lime Street, Ancoats, Manchester,  Ecclesiastical Parish St >Johns Ancoats >Robert Wilson, Head, 55, General Labourer, Scotland (in fact he was born in >Ruabaon) <snip> > >

I have just checked on the availability of this book and there are  few for sale on Amazon. ________________________________ From: Sheila Johnston <sjohnston17@yahoo.ca> To: "eng-manchester@rootsweb.com" <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 14:41 Subject: [ENG-MAN] Silk weaving Dear listers, With permission from the list moderator, and with regard to the thread about silk weavers and movement between communities, I would like to suggest a book called "Oldham Brave Oldham: An illustrated History of Oldham" by Brian R. Law, Oldham Council 1999. The chapter titled Pre-industrial Oldham describes the introduction of cotton, a new fabric, which became increasingly in use over woollens. Initially, weaving of cotton and silk was a cottage industry amongst farmer-weavers in Oldham and Royton townships and spread to the adjacent Middleton district, then to Failsworth and Chadderton. The cottage industry was impactly greatly by the introduction of  the power loom and left these skilled weavers either having to adapt or leave the industry. Those employed in this area might have moved around to wherever there were opportunities to sell their wares, or to where their skills were still being utilized in order to avoid poverty.   If you get a chance to get a copy of this book, it is very informative about the area and contains a lot of information and photos of the various mills in the area.   Sheila J London, ON CANADA   :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No fees!  :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Grey cloth was the raw state of cotton and the grey man would probably be one used to work in the cotton mill on this process. No doubt someone will be able to give a better explanation. Mavis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Whitton" <birdboot@btinternet.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 9:22 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Occupation 'grey man' >I have a marriage cert from 1895 which describes father's occupation as > "Grey man". Does anyone know what this means? I guess it could be a > misprint for 'Drayman' but it certainly looks like Grey man. > > > > Jim Whitton > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear listers, With permission from the list moderator, and with regard to the thread about silk weavers and movement between communities, I would like to suggest a book called "Oldham Brave Oldham: An illustrated History of Oldham" by Brian R. Law, Oldham Council 1999. The chapter titled Pre-industrial Oldham describes the introduction of cotton, a new fabric, which became increasingly in use over woollens. Initially, weaving of cotton and silk was a cottage industry amongst farmer-weavers in Oldham and Royton townships and spread to the adjacent Middleton district, then to Failsworth and Chadderton. The cottage industry was impactly greatly by the introduction of  the power loom and left these skilled weavers either having to adapt or leave the industry. Those employed in this area might have moved around to wherever there were opportunities to sell their wares, or to where their skills were still being utilized in order to avoid poverty.   If you get a chance to get a copy of this book, it is very informative about the area and contains a lot of information and photos of the various mills in the area.   Sheila J London, ON CANADA

Never heard of it myself. What was he in a census ? Good Luck Antony -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Whitton Sent: 06 August 2013 21:22 To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] Occupation 'grey man' I have a marriage cert from 1895 which describes father's occupation as "Grey man". Does anyone know what this means? I guess it could be a misprint for 'Drayman' but it certainly looks like Grey man. Jim Whitton :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a marriage cert from 1895 which describes father's occupation as "Grey man". Does anyone know what this means? I guess it could be a misprint for 'Drayman' but it certainly looks like Grey man. Jim Whitton

Additions from our friends at Lancashire BMD: 2 July 2013 Added 48,969 Births for Manchester RD comprising: Hulme (1917-1929); Chorlton-on-Medlock (1900-1907); Ardwick (1911-1927) Added 31,773 Deaths for Oldham RD comprising: Crompton & Royton (1951-1969); Middleton (1951-1969); Oldham First (1960-1967); Oldham Second (1961-1967); Oldham Third (1961-1967); Saddleworth (1952-1969) Added 15,365 Marriages for Manchester RD comprising: Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended (1974-1985) 3 July 2013 Added 12,991 Births for Bury RD comprising: Bury North (1912-1921); Bury South (1913-1921); Radcliffe (1901-1912) Added 502 Births for Burnley RD comprising: Burnley West (1909-1909) Added 2,648 Births for Blackpool RD comprising: Blackpool (1945-1974); Blackpool North (1938-1938) Added 2,601 Deaths for Blackpool RD comprising: Blackpool (1973-1975) Added 3,002 Deaths for Bury RD comprising: Birtle (1883-1889); Pilkington (1887-1890); Radcliffe (1879-1882) Added 684 Marriages for Hyndburn RD comprising: Accrington, St Anne's New Memorial Church (1983-1987); Bacup, Acre Mill Baptist Church (1958-1986); Accrington, Church of Sacred Heart (1971-2000); Church, Ernest Street Baptist Church (1959-1968); Haslingden, Congregational Church (1907-1913) 13 July 2013 Added 9,306 Births for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn (1965-1971) Added 9,306 Deaths for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn (1965-1971) 21 July 2013 Added 1,609 Births for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn (1969-1975) Added 8,755 Deaths for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn (1965-1975) Added 35,610 Deaths for Manchester RD comprising: Manchester Central (1881-1917) Added 1,658 Marriages for Manchester RD comprising: Hulme, St. Michael (1900-1924) 29 July 2013 Added 2,337 Marriages for Wigan and Leigh RD comprising: Independent Methodist Chapel, New Springs (1952-1984); Bispham Methodist Chapel, Billinge (1952-1975); Aspull Methodist Church, Wigan Road, Aspull (1952-1975); Salem United Reformed Church, Orrell (1952-1975); Methodist Church, Rosebridge, Ince (1951-1975); Methodist Church, Orrell Road, Orrell (1951-1975); Protestant Dissenting Chapel, Hindley (1951-1975); St. Johns Methodist Church, Hindley (1951-1975); Orrell Methodist Church, Orrell (1951-1975); Wesleyan Methodist School Chapel, Walthew Lane, Platt Bridge (1952-1973); Standish Methodist Church, High Street, Standish (1952-1975); Independent Methodist Chapel, Platt Bridge (1954-1975); Methodist Church, Almond Brook, Shevington (1955-1974); Methodist Church`, Crooke, Shevington (1951-1974); Cave Brown Evangelical Church, Ashton-in-Makerfield (1960-1972); Queens Road Methodist Church, Ashton-in-Makerfield (1956-1975); Methodist Church, Lily Lane, Bamfurlong (1958-1975! ); St. Paul's Congregational Church, Chapel Street, Hindley (1958-1975); Park Lane Chapel, Ashton-in-Makerfield (1963-1975); Shevington Methodist Church (1965-1974); Independent Methodist Chapel, Loch Street, Orrell (1951-1974); Independent Methodist Chapel, Argyle Street, Hindley (1972-1974); Presbyterian Church, Chapel Lane, Wigan (1952-1975); Trinity United Reformed Church, Wigan (1951-1975); Trinity Methodist Church, Lamberhead Green (1952-1975); Queens Hall Methodist Mission, Wigan (1953-1975); Primitive Methodist Church, Wigan Road, Whelley (1954-1971); Wigan Baptist Church, Scarisbrick Street, Wigan (1951-1975); Clowes Methodist Church, Enfield Street, Pemberton (1951-1973); Methodist Church, Goose Green (1951-1975); Methodist Church, Ormskirk Road, Newton (1954-1972); Christian Meeting House, Rodney Street, Wigan (1953-1972); Bethel Independent Methodist , Newtown (1951-1975); New Jerusalem Church, Warrington Lane, Wigan (1964-1981); Gidlow Methodist Church (1951-19! 68); Worsley Mesnes Methodist Church (1956-1975); Mount Zion, ! Pemberto n (1967-1974); International Christian Church, Pottery Road, Wigan (1971-1973); Whitley Methodist Church, Wigan (1951-1975); St. Johns RC Church, Wigan (1971-1975); Greenough I.M. Church, Greenough Street, Scholes, Wigan (1973-1975); St. Oswalds RC Church, Liverpool Road Ashton in Makerfield (1975-1975); Holy Family RC Church, New Springs (1975-1975); Church of Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception, Aspull (1967-1968); Congregational Church, Gerard Street, Ashton-in-Makerfield (1951-1971); Methodist Chapel, Heath Street, Golborne (1951-1972); Independent Methodist Chapel, High Street, Golborne (1951-1973); Methodist Church, Edge Green Lane, Golborne (1955-1971); Baptist Church, Charles Lane, Golborne (1951-1975) ~ ~ ~ ~ Cheshire BMD and Yorkshire BMD were also updated in July. Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

My grandfather was a foreman silk dyer in Macclesfield in the 30's and 40's at Abraham's Dye Works. My father always said we had some Huguenot ancestry but I haven't been able to find any links. I have wondered if they spread out from Spitalfields after coming to the UK from Europe and ended up in Cheshire. Cheers Jenni ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Elves" <elvesgandalf@hotmail.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:47 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] silk weavers in Cheshire > Hi,not specific to the Watts topic, or Newton Heath. My own family Jones, > Johnson....from lancashire and Cheshire. What interested me was silk, and > family movement. I too could not understand why I hadsomeone born > inMacclesfield, with one or two children born there, end uo in Aylesbury > children born there, then others born back in Macclesfield. > They were silk weavers. > Part of the family, and Johnsons, were listed in Newton Heath, and part of > Newton Heath locomotive workers, some still weavers. > There must have been a massive silk industry in the region, but why move > back and forth. Its not like Aylesbury is a neighbouring county! And why > Macclesfield or even Newton Heath.they settled, but changed > occupations...I was told one relative travelled overseas with an > exhibition...to do with sIlk, dressmaking.....but cant prove anything > about this > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you go to this link it gives you an insight on why the Silk industry came to Leigh Lancashire. It maybe a help in finding a reason for your ancestors moving around the country. It is a really interesting booklet. http://www.leighlife.com/index.php?page=wiki&id=leighlife:silkman Pamela

Information about archived electoral rolls may be found here: http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/448/archives_and_local_history/4670/archive_and_local_collections/9 That includes the information that "electoral registers were not compiled in the years 1917, 1919 and 1940-1944. They were compiled twice in the years 1920-1926 and 1945-1949." I'm not aware of any website currently giving access to the Manchester electoral registers but there's a lot of digitisation of records going on, and someone else might know better. Regards, Bob On 05/08/2013 10:25, carol wrote: > I don't think there were any electoral rolls done during the war. There > wouldn't be the people to do them and there again the bombing would cause > problems to but it mildly > Carol > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I don't think there were any electoral rolls done during the war. There wouldn't be the people to do them and there again the bombing would cause problems to but it mildly Carol

Thanks Mike - thanks for the suggestion. the street still shows on a map of Manchester. auntie was in her 30's in 1945 so I doubt anyone alive would remember her....she died recently in Toronto aged 96! Anne Hamilton -----Original Message----- From: Mike Morris Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 8:54 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] WHITE FAMILY You should also post a query to the 'In Touch' section of the Manchester Evening News. There are people still alive who might remember this street. Cheers Mike Morris Toronto Canada >________________________________ > From: ANNE <granne@cogeco.ca> >To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com >Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 7:58:53 AM >Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] WHITE FAMILY > > > I believe my aunt was still living in Manchester in the early part of 1945 > <snipped> > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Antony - I know my aunt was living in Manchester in early 1945 and there are some electoral rolls for 1945, so am hoping I hit pay dirt. I emailed the site and they have forwarded my request to the Local Studies Library. I am not sure if they will look up for me or not, but worth a shot. I live in Canada and am therefore unable to visit the office myself. And yes I do realize they had other things on their mind at the time besides electoral roles! Thanks for your help Anne -----Original Message----- From: C5D Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 1:06 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] WHITE FAMILY The electoral roll is in Manchester Local Studies Library, though as you asking about the years 1943-45, I guess you won't find one. We had other things on our mind at this period Good Luck Antony -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ANNE Sent: 05 August 2013 02:01 To: ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] WHITE FAMILY I did post a message last week but not sure it found it’s way to the Manchester rootsweb site. I am looking for information as to where to find electoral roles for the city of Manchester for the period 1943-45. I have a family letter written from 11 Curzon Street in the Victoria Park area of Manchester, and would like to find out who lived there and who this letter writer was staying with. I believe it might have been my aunt VIOLET GREEN nee WHITE but need to prove it. If someone can send me the link to such a site, I would really appreciate it. Thank you Anne in Hamilton Ontario Canada :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. Please SNIP when replying. Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks to all those who replied to my request for help with the electoral rolls. I believe my aunt was still living in Manchester in the early part of 1945 so I have emailed the local history site in the hopes they may be able to prove the address for me. Thanks again Anne in Hamilton, Ontario

Hi Anne But they might remember who lived at that address? I like looking at that site, there are all sorts of questions posted re Manchester. Mike Morris Toronto Canada >________________________________ > From: ANNE <granne@cogeco.ca> >To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com >Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 9:42:41 AM >Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] WHITE FAMILY > > the street still shows on a map of Manchester.  auntie was in her 30's in 1945 so I doubt anyone alive would >remember her. <snip> >

Hi,not specific to the Watts topic, or Newton Heath. My own family Jones, Johnson....from lancashire and Cheshire. What interested me was silk, and family movement. I too could not understand why I hadsomeone born inMacclesfield, with one or two children born there, end uo in Aylesbury children born there, then others born back in Macclesfield. They were silk weavers. Part of the family, and Johnsons, were listed in Newton Heath, and part of Newton Heath locomotive workers, some still weavers. There must have been a massive silk industry in the region, but why move back and forth. Its not like Aylesbury is a neighbouring county! And why Macclesfield or even Newton Heath.they settled, but changed occupations...I was told one relative travelled overseas with an exhibition...to do with sIlk, dressmaking.....but cant prove anything about this