I haven't found an Isabela in my files but I do know a Joseph Harling who has an Isabela to married a William Whitehead. I met him on the genes reunited site. Dorothy

Hi Pauline Isabella doesn't ring a bell but I know I have a Pendlebury kink in my FH somewhere. I'll check and get back to you. Dorothy In a message dated 12/05/2008 09:29:34 GMT Daylight Time, ppendlebury@iinet.net.au writes: Thanks Dorothy, l had thought that a possibility,the water-damaged segments have probably caused some headaches l would imagine.l have actually been following your posts re the Whitehead family as we have an Isabella Whitehead who marries into a branch of the family,are you missing an Isabella? Thank you,Pauline. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pauline It's possible your ancestor's census record was in that part of the census which was damaged. Some of my ancestors are mising off the 1851 census for the same reason. Try getting in touch with Lancehster adn Lancashire Family History Society to see whether Peel Street had been inclused in the restoration of the damaged records. Dorothy

Hi Pauline Did you find your Rev William Verdun at Number 25 Peel Street, Salford in the 1850 Slaters. not Number 22 which was a Mrs. Farrar Jean

Hi list and Jean, William is mistranscribed as Vernon instead of Verdon in Slaters so l will try that on census now,Pauline.

Thank you Jean,yes,they are on a later Directory,Slaters, l had 1852 written next to it,they are at 22 Peel St;Salford, so l may spend some time just trying to locate Peel St on the census.They are there,it's just locating them and l am trying mistranscriptions as well......Pauline.

Hi Group, l am trying to find who is at 22 Peel St,Salford in 1851.l have had no luck finding my Verdon family.l know they are at the address in 1852.William Verdon is Minister Incumbent at Holy Trinity in Salford.His wife is Sophia [Everard].l have ancestry but cannot find this couple to no avail and am not sure how to find this Street,if anyone can help l would be so grateful,Pauline.

Need help verifying the family of Walter SCOTT, born 4 Aug 1870 in Ancoats, Manchester who married Kate Eleanor HARRISON, born 10 Jul 1873 in Salford, Manchester. Kate's parents are Richard H & Sarah Harrison of Nottingham. They were married 11 Dec 1896 in Prestwich, Manchester. The 1901 Census in Cheshire, Bollington, Dist 1 lists Walter & Kate SCOTT with her mother Sarah HARRISON. No Children are listed but someone in Cooks Islands sealed to the Mormon Church the following children to them: Walter Harrison SCOTT, born 23 Oct 1898 in Manchester and died 16 Mar 1989 in Meadowbank, Auckland, New Zealand; Harry SCOTT, born 8 Aug 1903 in Coventry, Warwick and he married Upokonia Tama Poona on 14 Oct 1927 in Atitu, Cook Island; Louie SCOTT born 13 Oct 1907 in Edward St, Thames, New Zealand who married Hans Otto Fedderson Grau in Grey Lynn, Auckland, New Zealand. Are there any public records to check in New Zealand? Walter SCOTT died 13 Jul 1970 in Cornwall Hospital, Auckland, New Zealand and his wife Kate Eleanor HARRISON died, May 1963 in Auckland, New Zealand. Walter's parents are James SCOTTborn 1846) in Manchester and Eliza A BROOMHALL (born abt 1848) in Manchester. Diane RIDING Ball

Hi Pauline, Have you tried this? www.historicaldirectories.org I Looked at the Slaters 1850 at the names but could not find Verdon, anyway you could always browse and look for Peel Street. Jean

Hi Folks I am researching the following :- MALCOLM --Manchester & Liverpool HOPE -- Manchester, Liverpool & Cumberland GLOVER -- Swinton & Wolverhampton HUGHES -- Swinton & Wolverhampton GRUNDY -- Leigh & District Lancs ELLIS -- Ewloe/Hawarden, Flintshire PARKER -- Whitchurch, Shrops I would love to hear from anyone with an interest in the above surnames connected with areas mentioned. Regards Malc

Thank you Heather. The images are opening up now, tho' not giving me anything. I have asked for a lookup but none forcoming yet. Thanks again. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Quineys" <pquiney@post.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] ORPHANAGE - RADCLIFFE > Hi Helen > > I've had a look for you but cannot see anything :-( > > There are 3 x Ellen RADCLIFFEs born in Lancashire between 1837 and 1847 > (+/-5 from 1842 - 1858-16) and 11 x Eli* RADCLIFFEs born in Lancashire > (same time frame). > > If you can access the list but not the images, let me know which look > most promising and I will access them for you. I would look at them all > now but I'm not sure what I'm looking for as most are "daughters" (ie > living with parents). > > Sorry I couldn't wave a magic wand for you ;-) > Heather > > PS Oh, just a thought, she might be on the water-damaged images of > 1851. In which case you need someone with the CDs of the transcriptions. > > > > > > HELEN wrote: >> Hi Heather, >> >> Thank you. I have been trying to look at the 1851c on Ancestry but the >> pages won't open up. I have sent a msg to them. >> >> Her name is Elizabeth Ellen Radcliffe. >> >> That she was raised in an orphanage is by word of mouth. But official >> records say she was born in Manchester, arrived at age 16 in 1858. >> >> She is not on shipping records so we think she may have come out as a >> nurse >> maid and not put on the shipping list. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "The Quineys" <pquiney@post.com> >> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] ORPHANAGE - RADCLIFFE >> >> >> >>> Hi Helen >>> >>> Do you have the given name of your Gt Grandmother? >>> >>> Where did you find the limited info that you have? How >>> concrete/reliable is it? Or just word of mouth? >>> >>> There would be orphanages all over the country - in most major towns. >>> Do you know that she came from Manchester? Or just Lancashire? Or just >>> "north England, possibly Scotland"?! >>> >>> I'd be happy to look on the 1851 census but need a little more info, if >>> you have it. >>> Heather >>> >>> >>> HELEN wrote: >>> >>>> Since I was last on this list I have found out my grtgrandmother was >>>> raised in an orphanage. >>>> >>>> The only information she left behind was that she was 16 when she >>>> arrived >>>> in NZ, arrived in 1858 [cannot find her on shipping] and her father was >>>> a >>>> painter. >>>> >>>> Did any orphanage records survive ? Where would I find them ? In >>>> what >>>> areas were the orphanages ? >>>> >>>> TIA >>>> >>>> Helen > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Lesley. I accessed the image then found a chr on the IGI, then marriage, then 1861c. The family are still all together. No reason for her to be in an orphanage. I was told she was raised in an orphanage. Does anyone know if there are any orphanages on the 1851c ? Thanks again. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "lesley" <bbqman@bigpond.net.au> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] CENSUS LOOK UP > Hi Helen, > I checked the unfilmed 1851 census on www.familyhistoryonline.net For 40 > pence (around $1 AUD) I got 4 hits for Elizabeth Radcliffe. I didn't have > enough credit to check the actual returns in full (1 pound each - about > $2.50 AUD) but the excerpts I saw follow: First 3 are Radcliffe: > One was 66 lodging house keeper living in Pendleton (clearly not yours). > One was a 22 year old unmarried servant (general servant) living at 13 > Melbourne St Chorlton Manchester, born at Lymm Cheshire. The third was > closer to the age of your Elizabeth. > 30 Robert St Ardwick Manchester Un 16 year old living with parent (no > occupation noted ) born Manchester Lancahire . > The closest I could find though was an Elizabeth RATCLIFFE aged 7 living > at > 8 Black Queen St Deansgate Manchester, born Blackburn Lancashire, > relationship to head of household was niece. > Again to view the actual entry (from familyhistoryonline) is 1 pound > (around > $2.50 AUD) (put in Ratcliffe Elizabeth only looking at Census, and the > years > 1851) > > Hope this is of some help > Regards > > Lesley > Melbourne, Australia > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sheila I might have found another clue re my Robert Whitehead. Someone on genesreunited has sent me information about a John Whitehead bn c1768 who might have had a brother Daniel bn c1767 inthe Failsworth area. Acccording to this gentleman, Daniel married Mary Whittaker in 1792 in Manchester Cathedral, and John married Sarah Garrett or Garnet. This John had a son Robert bn 1795. Coincidence or what?

Hi I am looking for the enumeration district of Swan Street, Manchester in the 1871 Census. Can anyone please help. Chris _________________________________________________________________ Discover and Win with Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000007ukm/direct/01/

Hi Shiela Your message came through blank. See below. Dorothy In a message dated 08/05/2008 15:39:22 GMT Daylight Time, sjohnston17@yahoo.ca writes: ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Helen, I checked the unfilmed 1851 census on www.familyhistoryonline.net For 40 pence (around $1 AUD) I got 4 hits for Elizabeth Radcliffe. I didn't have enough credit to check the actual returns in full (1 pound each - about $2.50 AUD) but the excerpts I saw follow: First 3 are Radcliffe: One was 66 lodging house keeper living in Pendleton (clearly not yours). One was a 22 year old unmarried servant (general servant) living at 13 Melbourne St Chorlton Manchester, born at Lymm Cheshire. The third was closer to the age of your Elizabeth. 30 Robert St Ardwick Manchester Un 16 year old living with parent (no occupation noted ) born Manchester Lancahire . The closest I could find though was an Elizabeth RATCLIFFE aged 7 living at 8 Black Queen St Deansgate Manchester, born Blackburn Lancashire, relationship to head of household was niece. Again to view the actual entry (from familyhistoryonline) is 1 pound (around $2.50 AUD) (put in Ratcliffe Elizabeth only looking at Census, and the years 1851) Hope this is of some help Regards Lesley Melbourne, Australia

Hello List I'd like to thank all the people who contacted me with regard to Illegitimate and Natural Children, your help was very useful. Thanks Ellen

Hi there,   I am searching for anyone who may have links to my grandmother Lucy Nuttall and her family.    Her parents, James Edward Nuttall (b 1853) and Sarah Whitehead (b. 1856) were married in 1881 at Ardwick Congregational Church, Tipping St (?).    From what I have been told thus far, all of the Nuttall children (listed below) were raised in Manchester.  As of the 1891 census, the family were living in Gorton. Alice (b. 1883) Sarah (b. 1887) Ezra Nuttall (b. 1889) William Nuttall (b. 1890) who later emigrated to the U.S John (Jack) Nuttall (b. 1894) Lucy Nuttall (1900) who after her retirement, emigrated to New Zealand with her husband.   If anyone has a connection with any of these people in their family tree, or any info they care to share, I would love to hear from you.  Regards, Lilie

I am trying to find the most likely ANNIE JONES on the 1891 census. She gave birth in Hulme, Manchester in August 1891 to William WALKER. William's birth cert gives his mother as Annie WALKER nee JONES, and his father as John WALKER a Lurry Driver - but I cannot find a marriage and think she was telling fibs! . The only John Walker on the 1891 that could be the dad, is a Carter aged 30 from Salford who is boarding in Hulme. On the 1901 Census, William (the son aged 9) is boarding with a "Fletcher" family. If anyone has the inclination or time, ideas gratefully received. I have no info prior to this birth cert! - but I do wonder about the visitor on the 1901 - Annie Williamson, a visitor! Pat W