Thank you all who have answered and Elsie, The Verdon Roe issue is a complex one but actually easy to follow.Yes,William Verdon the Minister dies and his Widow,Sophia marries Richard Roe,a surgeon and a Gen. Practitioner who lives in Church Street,Eccles.They have both been married before and both have children though the only Verdon child on the 1861 census with them is Anna Sophia,born and Ch in 1847 in Salford.One of the previous born Roe children is Edwin H. who is a Medical pupil and also with them on the 1861 census.Neither of these are in any way connected genetically and they marry...hence Sir Edwin Alliot Verdon-Roe....yes and then AVRO. My connection is Anna Sophia,Sir Edwins' mother.Her father,William Verdon is brother to my Gr.Gr.Grandmother, Frances Charlotte Verdon.Thats why l would love to find William and Sophia on the 1861.l initially started this search looking also for Anna Sophias' brother,Henry Walter Verdon, who is not with his remarried mother in 1861 but at the Manchester Grammar according to old family letters. It's a very interesting family to trace,thanks for your interest,Pauline in Australia.

It is probably of no use to you but I remember my father telling me, as we passed the aeroplane manufacturing plant of A.V. Roe, that he was a relative of ours. I assume he might be something to do with the Roes of Eccles. My grandmother Tamara Roe was the wife of my grandfather Holding (Holden). Eccles might be a good place to look. Best wishes Elsie Hemming (nee Holden) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline Pendlebury" <ppendlebury@iinet.net.au> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 5:44 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Re-Census Query > Hi list and Jean, Yes,Jean,that is my Rev.William > Verdun,25 Peel street,Salford in 1850,his name should > be Verdon....then why can l not find him on the 1851 > census,l look to no avail.l have looked for his wife and > children,nothing....yet l know they are there.In 1854 he > became incumbent at Pendlebury but then he dies a > few years later so l miss him on the 1861 census.l have > his wife,then remarried,though,and some of the children > who are at various schools etc. > l also find his brother Edward at Tottington no > problem,,just wish l could find William,Sophia and family. > Thanks Jean for all of your help,Pauline. > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1427 - Release Date: > 5/11/2008 1:08 PM > >

Hi Kath Thank you , I really do think it is Ducie Ave, because Ducie Street, keeps on popping into my mind. When my sister gets home from work I will ring once I say the school I think she will remember. Jean kathleen Torrisi <kathleentorrisi@tt360.com> wrote: Hi Jean, I'm very sorry to hear of your mother's death.I hope the following will help with the eulogy you are writing : In the 1929 Manchester directory there is a DUCIE AVENUE council school which is both elementary and senior.The listing under COUNCIL SCHOOLS is : Ducie ave,senior mixed,T.Murrel,master.Miss C.J.Walker,infants mistress The location of Ducie Ave is at 62 Ducie grove,Oxford rd,Chorlton on Medlock. This seems,from Google maps,to be where part of the university is now. Two council schools I found for Ardwick are : Ardwick central,Devonshire st Chester st, There are numerous others listed for the surrounding areas so if you want any more please get back to me, Cheers Kath ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jean, I'm very sorry to hear of your mother's death.I hope the following will help with the eulogy you are writing : In the 1929 Manchester directory there is a DUCIE AVENUE council school which is both elementary and senior.The listing under COUNCIL SCHOOLS is : Ducie ave,senior mixed,T.Murrel,master.Miss C.J.Walker,infants mistress The location of Ducie Ave is at 62 Ducie grove,Oxford rd,Chorlton on Medlock. This seems,from Google maps,to be where part of the university is now. Two council schools I found for Ardwick are : Ardwick central,Devonshire st Chester st, There are numerous others listed for the surrounding areas so if you want any more please get back to me, Cheers Kath

Hi Irene I agree with you Irene but I am only saying what is shown for the enumeration districts by Ancestry after clicking on to Lancashire you will not find Salford only Manchester. which gave the enumeration districts I have shown. Jean Irene Marlborough <imarlb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Hi Dorothy, I have looked at Eccles and Pendleton in 1851 but there was nothing much there one had only a Moral and Industrial School in 1851 I knew that Regent Road area covered Salford but iI have since found out that Greengate covers Salford. According to Ancestry in 1851 it only shows Manchester for the enumeration districts this is where I found both Regent Road and Greengate a lot of them are badly damaged. Thank you for your suggestions Jean Djedoric58@aol.com wrote: Except for Regent rd, all the others are in the Manchester area. regarding Salford being under the Manchester banner, I doubt it. What about Pendleton and Eccles, Peel Park etc? Thery are all in thebSalford area and that is where I found them when I searched the census some years ago. Dorothy ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Sheila, Your help was appreciated even though this is not the school I am looking for. My mother died last Sunday and we are writing the eulogy and I cannot remember the name of the school she went to. For some reason Ducie street school keeps on popping up, but that appears to be a boys school in Moss Side not Ardwick or Ancoats. I thought if I gaot some names of schools I might remember. Jean Sheila D Turton <gordon.turton@ntlworld.com> wrote: Dear Jean I do know that both my sister and brother went to SEYMOUR PARK SCHOOL in the 1930's and lived in Old Trafford,Manchester. Hope this helps Sheila in Mirfield -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jean Thatcher Sent: 13 May 2008 10:00 To: eng-manchester-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] Schools in Ardwick Could anyone give me the names of schools in Ardwick in the 1920's to1930's It would have been an Elementary school not a high school. Also it would not have been a catholic school which funnily enough I can remember the names of. Any suggestion where I can find anything would be a great help. Ducie Street school in Moss side was it always a boys school. Jean ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1429 - Release Date: 12/05/2008 18:14 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1429 - Release Date: 12/05/2008 18:14 ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kath: I was interested in your reference to the 1929 Manchester Directory. Can you tell me if it is available on-line? I have been trying everywhere to find information on my grandparents to no avail. Thanks, Gail Vancouver Island Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "kathleen Torrisi" <kathleentorrisi@tt360.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 7:27 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] re : Schools in Ardwick > Hi Jean, > > I'm very sorry to hear of your mother's death.I hope the following > will help with the eulogy you are writing : > > In the 1929 Manchester directory there is a DUCIE AVENUE council > school which is both elementary and senior.The listing under COUNCIL > SCHOOLS is : > Ducie ave,senior mixed,T.Murrel,master.Miss C.J.Walker,infants mistress > > The location of Ducie Ave is at 62 Ducie grove,Oxford rd,Chorlton on > Medlock. > This seems,from Google maps,to be where part of the university is now. > > Two council schools I found for Ardwick are : > Ardwick central,Devonshire st > Chester st, > There are numerous others listed for the surrounding areas so if you > want any more > please get back to me, > Cheers > Kath > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.23.15/1426 - Release Date: > 5/10/2008 11:12 AM > >

I went to Ross Place school in Ardwick (in the Fifties) and it was an old school then! A Nursery Class, Infants and Juniors. It was situated between Stockport Rd and Hyde Rd. I haven't checked, but you might find schools listed somewhere by using this site. http://www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?categoryID=448&documentID=462 Pat W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Thatcher" <jean.thatcher@btinternet.com> To: <eng-manchester-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Schools in Ardwick > Could anyone give me the names of schools in Ardwick in the 1920's > to1930's > It would have been an Elementary school not a high school. Also it would > not have been a catholic school which funnily enough I can remember the > names of. > Any suggestion where I can find anything would be a great help. >

Hi Pauline, I am trying to sort out enumeration districts. On the 1851 census Slaford came completely under Manchester and the enumeration districts are as follows. Ancoats Hulme Newton Deansgate London Rd. Regent Road Greengate Market St. St George. I do not think that Peel street would come under Ancoats, Hulme, Newton. Possibles would be Deansgate, Regent Road maybe Market street I am not too sure where Greengate was but I think it is another possible. I have tried to look at some of the descriptions of the enumeration districts but some are badly marked. When I have time I will have another go, but at the moment things are a little hectic for me. Jean Pauline Pendlebury <ppendlebury@iinet.net.au> wrote: Hi list, Sorry,l must be tired,its the 1851 census that l am looking for William Verdon,[Rev.] ,who is a Minister and lives at 25 Peel Street,Salford,but l cannot locate him on census,l am now assuming he is on the water-damaged section,thank you all for your patience,Pauline. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Jean I do know that both my sister and brother went to SEYMOUR PARK SCHOOL in the 1930's and lived in Old Trafford,Manchester. Hope this helps Sheila in Mirfield -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jean Thatcher Sent: 13 May 2008 10:00 To: eng-manchester-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] Schools in Ardwick Could anyone give me the names of schools in Ardwick in the 1920's to1930's It would have been an Elementary school not a high school. Also it would not have been a catholic school which funnily enough I can remember the names of. Any suggestion where I can find anything would be a great help. Ducie Street school in Moss side was it always a boys school. Jean ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1429 - Release Date: 12/05/2008 18:14 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1429 - Release Date: 12/05/2008 18:14

Could anyone give me the names of schools in Ardwick in the 1920's to1930's It would have been an Elementary school not a high school. Also it would not have been a catholic school which funnily enough I can remember the names of. Any suggestion where I can find anything would be a great help. Ducie Street school in Moss side was it always a boys school. Jean

Elsie, Do you have any HOLDENs from Burslem, Yorkshire, or Canada? My great-grandfather, Arthur HOLDEN, came to Vancouver, B.C with his brother Norman, from the Stoke on Trent area between 1900 and 1910. The family had lived in Burslem for a couple of generations. His great grandfather John Irvin HOLDEN, I believe, was originally from West Riding, Yorkshire. On July 21, 1813, John Irvin HOLDEN, a banker's clerk of Burslem, married Mary GREGORY, of West Riding in Halifax St. John's, West Riding, Yorkshire. The bride's home is listed as Halifax. Any connection? Kathryn ________________________________ From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Elsie Hemming Sent: Tue 5/13/2008 1:29 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Re-Census Query It is probably of no use to you but I remember my father telling me, as we passed the aeroplane manufacturing plant of A.V. Roe, that he was a relative of ours. I assume he might be something to do with the Roes of Eccles. My grandmother Tamara Roe was the wife of my grandfather Holding (Holden). Eccles might be a good place to look. Best wishes Elsie Hemming (nee Holden)

I believe that the reverse is true and that Manchester belonged to the Hundred of Salford. In practical terms however, I think that the river is considered the boundary. This leaves Ancoats, Deansgate, Newton, Hulme, London Road, St George, Market Street on the Manchester side and Greengate and Regent Road on the Salford side. Regards, Irene

Except for Regent rd, all the others are in the Manchester area. regarding Salford being under the Manchester banner, I doubt it. What about Pendleton and Eccles, Peel Park etc? Thery are all in thebSalford area and that is where I found them when I searched the census some years ago. Dorothy

Kath Thanks very much for the info Chris > Hi Chris, > > From Ancestry : > > 1871 census MANCHESTER > RG10/4047 > District 1 [St George] > Munic.ward - St Michael > Eccl.dist - St George > Image/page no's 10-17 > SWAN ST - even no's starting at 2 through to 68,the Police station and > police cells ! > > RG10/4046 > District 18 [Market st] > Munic.ward - Collegiate > Eccl.dist - Cathederal > Image/page no's 3-4 > SWAN ST - odd numbers starting at 25 down to 3 > > Hope this helps ! > Cheers > Kath _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on almost anything at eBay.co.uk. Search, bid, find and win on eBay today! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000004ukm/direct/01/

Hi Chris, From Ancestry : 1871 census MANCHESTER RG10/4047 District 1 [St George] Munic.ward - St Michael Eccl.dist - St George Image/page no's 10-17 SWAN ST - even no's starting at 2 through to 68,the Police station and police cells ! RG10/4046 District 18 [Market st] Munic.ward - Collegiate Eccl.dist - Cathederal Image/page no's 3-4 SWAN ST - odd numbers starting at 25 down to 3 Hope this helps ! Cheers Kath

Thank you Dorothy,yes l am also in contact with Joseph [Edwy],his William who marries Isabella Whitehead is a brother to our Charlotte.Thanks for your kind interest,Pauline.

Thanks Dorothy, l had thought that a possibility,the water-damaged segments have probably caused some headaches l would imagine.l have actually been following your posts re the Whitehead family as we have an Isabella Whitehead who marries into a branch of the family,are you missing an Isabella? Thank you,Pauline.

Hi list and Jean, Yes,Jean,that is my Rev.William Verdun,25 Peel street,Salford in 1850,his name should be Verdon....then why can l not find him on the 1851 census,l look to no avail.l have looked for his wife and children,nothing....yet l know they are there.In 1854 he became incumbent at Pendlebury but then he dies a few years later so l miss him on the 1861 census.l have his wife,then remarried,though,and some of the children who are at various schools etc. l also find his brother Edward at Tottington no problem,,just wish l could find William,Sophia and family. Thanks Jean for all of your help,Pauline.