Hi Jean Have had a look but have been unable to find her in 1891 either. But I did notice that Rowland S on the 1881 and 1891 census appears to be shown as married rather than single...if you look at the other entries nearby you can compare the writing for 1881 and in 1891 they actually write S for single rather than Unmarried. It does seem a fairly odd family - with no one living where they are supposed to be. And then Rowland being married to someone else by 1901. Did you manage to track a divorce down? Did you find Samuel and his wife in 1891(I couldn't see him) - my guess would be that perhaps she moved on to live with another sibling. Janet -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jean Thatcher Sent: 01 June 2008 08:10 To: eng-manchester-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] Help or suggestions needed My great grandmother was born Louisa Hill in Salford in 1854, these are the details that I have on her. I think I have the correct birth from Lancashirebmd which I am going to send for.She married my great grandfather Rowland Sykes Bamford at Ogden St. Chapel Ardwick in 1875 and had my grandfather another Rowland in 1876. Now this is where I have a bit of a riddle. I have for Louisa the 1861, 1871, 1881, and 1901 censuses, after she married in 1875 all the censuses state she was married but she was never with Rowland , infact there is only one time that I found her son with her and that was the 1901 census in Blackpool. The 1881 and 1891 census shows Rowland living with his mother Eliza in Ardwick as a single man . In 1901 transcribed as Roland Banford he was shown as married to a Mary Ann and a daughter Clara. It also said he was born in Macclesfield but I think this might have been Mary. When he died a few years later it was his sister that notified the birth. I think I have found Louisa's correct family her father John was deceased when she married but through the censuses I found her 1871 living with her sister Charlotte Blair who was shown on the 1861 census with John and Jane Hill. On the 1881 census she was living with her sister Eliza Wren. The siblings I have found are Charlotte, Samuel and Eliza Ford Hill, there might be a Mary but have not checked that properly. Where she was in 1891 remains a mystery. She was'nt with her son who was in Hulme at the time. Any suggestions or help very much welcome Jean ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jean, Another mystery: Where is the son Rowland in 1881? He is not with his father or his mother. Liane ----- Original Message ----- From: Jean Thatcher To: eng-manchester-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 3:10 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Help or suggestions needed My great grandmother was born Louisa Hill in Salford in 1854, these are the details that I have on her. I think I have the correct birth from Lancashirebmd which I am going to send for.She married my great grandfather Rowland Sykes Bamford at Ogden St. Chapel Ardwick in 1875 and had my grandfather another Rowland in 1876. Now this is where I have a bit of a riddle. I have for Louisa the 1861, 1871, 1881, and 1901 censuses, after she married in 1875 all the censuses state she was married but she was never with Rowland , infact there is only one time that I found her son with her and that was the 1901 census in Blackpool. The 1881 and 1891 census shows Rowland living with his mother Eliza in Ardwick as a single man . In 1901 transcribed as Roland Banford he was shown as married to a Mary Ann and a daughter Clara. It also said he was born in Macclesfield but I think this might have been Mary. When he died a few years later it was his sister that notified the birth. I think I have found Louisa's correct family her father John was deceased when she married but through the censuses I found her 1871 living with her sister Charlotte Blair who was shown on the 1861 census with John and Jane Hill. On the 1881 census she was living with her sister Eliza Wren. The siblings I have found are Charlotte, Samuel and Eliza Ford Hill, there might be a Mary but have not checked that properly. Where she was in 1891 remains a mystery. She was'nt with her son who was in Hulme at the time. Any suggestions or help very much welcome Jean ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Terry, As you have the death and burial dates, if your "some kind soul" pops into the office at the main entrance to Southern Cemetery they may be able to supply the grave reference and map to assist, perhaps for a small donation. They were very helpful when I visited them last year I'm afraid that ,in such a large cemetery you have very little chance of someone "stumbling across" the very grave that you are looking for but best of luck! If you can wait until the web-site is up and running again and you are able to get the grave references feel free to contact me again and I will see if I can fit in a cemetery visit. (I also have interests there) Cheers Geoff, Bolton

My great grandmother was born Louisa Hill in Salford in 1854, these are the details that I have on her. I think I have the correct birth from Lancashirebmd which I am going to send for.She married my great grandfather Rowland Sykes Bamford at Ogden St. Chapel Ardwick in 1875 and had my grandfather another Rowland in 1876. Now this is where I have a bit of a riddle. I have for Louisa the 1861, 1871, 1881, and 1901 censuses, after she married in 1875 all the censuses state she was married but she was never with Rowland , infact there is only one time that I found her son with her and that was the 1901 census in Blackpool. The 1881 and 1891 census shows Rowland living with his mother Eliza in Ardwick as a single man . In 1901 transcribed as Roland Banford he was shown as married to a Mary Ann and a daughter Clara. It also said he was born in Macclesfield but I think this might have been Mary. When he died a few years later it was his sister that notified the birth. I think I have found Louisa's correct family her father John was deceased when she married but through the censuses I found her 1871 living with her sister Charlotte Blair who was shown on the 1861 census with John and Jane Hill. On the 1881 census she was living with her sister Eliza Wren. The siblings I have found are Charlotte, Samuel and Eliza Ford Hill, there might be a Mary but have not checked that properly. Where she was in 1891 remains a mystery. She was'nt with her son who was in Hulme at the time. Any suggestions or help very much welcome Jean

G'day, If there is some kind soul walking through Southern Cemetery on a warm summers day and they happen to have their digital camera with them and they also happen to see a grave stone with the name "Charles Frederick Craven" "engraved on it. I wonder if you would mind taking a photo of it for me:-)) CHARLES FREDERICK CRAVEN was a grand uncle of mine. He died 15th March 1958 in Withington Hospital and was buried 19th March 1958 in Southern Cemetery. He was 77 years old. I am sorry I don't have a grave number or any other information that might help locate the grave. Fingers Crossed, Terry Craven

Hi Terry, I cannot help you with the photograph, but unfortunately at the moment the burial records site is off the computer while they update it. http://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk I do not know how long it will be out of action but keep this incase you have no luck, you could at least find the grave number if he is there. Jean

Hi All I have been advised that inmates of various institutions [including jails] were shown in the various census at the end of the enumeration district where they were situated Could someone have knowledge as to which district the jail[s] of Manchester were to be found The person I seek was not listed with his wife & family in the 1841 census. Records show that he had two court convictions, so it was possible that he was in prison at that time---the question is,-- where? Can anyone please assist Thanks Robert From the Roaring Forties

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Dear Ann, I took a stab at the 1901 UK Census for your mother-in-law's family, though you did not mention her parents first names, this could be your REID family - Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3737; Folio: 91; Page: 38. Address: appears to be 22 Huntington Street / Road, Salford Robert REID, Head, married, 30 years, Railway Porter, worker, born Salford Lancashire Mary REID, Wife, married, 30 years, born Salford Lancashire Robert REID, son, 9 years, born Salford Lancashire Mary REID, daughter, 7 years, born Salford Lancashire Edith REID, daughter, 4 years, born Salford Lancashire Amy REID, daughter, 2 years, born Salford Lancashire I also had a quick look for the marriage of parents Robert and Mary and found a possibility - Robert REID married Mary POLLARD in March 1891 in Salford, Vol: 8d, Page 136 Possible births for REID children: Robert REID, Birth: September 1891, Salford, Vol: 8d, Page: 79 Mary REID, Birth: June 1891, Salford, Vol: 8d, Page: 95 Edith REID, Birth: September 1894, Salford, Vol: 8d, Page: 94 Amy REID, Birth: March 1899, Salford, Vol: 8d, Page: 167 Henry REID, Birth: December 1906, Salford, Vol: 8d, Page: 42 Elsie REID, Birth: March, 1910, Salford, Vol: 8d, Page: 100 Clara REID, Birth: September 1912, Salford, Vol 8d, Page: 157. Mother's maiden surname: Pollard 3 possibilities for birth of John REID - John REID, Birth: September 1905, Salford Vol: 8d, Page: 153 John REID, Birth: December 1906, Salford, Vol: 8d, Page: 70 John REID, Birth: December 1906, Salford, Vol: 8d Page: 160 I hope this little bit of information is helpful and doesn't steer you in the wrong direction. Kind regards, Diane (Sydney, NSW, Australia) -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ann Sent: Wednesday, 28 May 2008 4:41 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] REID of SALFORD Does anyone have a REID family in their tree please. my in laws lived at Albion Street Salford from 1896 - about 1930 I am looking for my mother in laws siblings and their DOB. I have Robert 1891 born Salford Mary 1894 born Salford Edith 1896 born Salford Amy 1899 born Salford John abt. 1902/4 Henry 1906 died 1933 Elsie 1910 Clara 1912 and several unplaced/undated ones Edward Thomas another Robert and a William I look forward to hearing from anybody with any ideas whatsoever kind regards Ann ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1470 - Release Date: 5/28/2008 7:20 AM

Hello everyone, It's taken me a while but I've finally added the F and G surnames of the soldiers who served in the 2/6th Battalion Liverpool Kings (WW1) to my website: http://www.freewebs.com/liverpoolkings/ It's taking me longer than I thought to find the time to add it all, but if you have an ancestor you would like me to look up in the meantime, just let me know, only to happy to check the book, Tamara - Australia.

I don't have anyone so far by the name of REID, but I do have my great- great-grandmother, Isabella BRADSHAW, who was baptised 11 Oct 1795, in Sacred Trinity Church, Salford, daughter of Alice (n MELLOR) & John BRADSHAW who was baptised at Holy Trinity on 4 September 1768, also in Salford, son of Isabel (n NICHOLS) & Thomas BRADSHAW, baptised 23 Jan 1743, Manchester, son of Hannah (n LEVER) & John BRADSHAW who married in 1732. What I am looking for are the siblings of Isabella BRADSHAW, and whether railway timetable originator, George BRADSHAW fits in somewhere, in fact anything on BRADSHAW in Salford &/or Manchester. My BRADSHAW ancestors were believed to have been heavily involved on the Parliamentary side of the Civil War, particularly the defence of Manchester in 1642, and I'd be interested in any information on this. I was also told that the LEVER name may also be connected with the soap powder manufacturer but I'd need confirming links for this. kind regards Christopher Ridings cnridings@exemail.com.au > > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 19:41:03 +0100 > From: "Ann" <Gordon.Annbrown@btinternet.com> > Subject: [ENG-MAN] REID of SALFORD > > Does anyone have a REID family in their tree please. > my in laws lived at Albion Street Salford from 1896 - about 1930 > I am looking for my mother in laws siblings and their DOB. > I have > Robert 1891 born Salford > Mary 1894 born Salford > Edith 1896 born Salford > Amy 1899 born Salford > John abt. 1902/4 > Henry 1906 died 1933 > Elsie 1910 > Clara 1912 > and several unplaced/undated ones > Edward Thomas another Robert and a William > > I look forward to hearing from anybody with any ideas whatsoever > > kind regards > Ann > **********************************************

A long time since I uttered that! is anyone looking for a G in Rochdale 1855? The nearest I can find..indeed the only one for that year is a long walk to West Derby.. and Ive been wrong before Josi in a sodden hastings

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Does anyone have a REID family in their tree please. my in laws lived at Albion Street Salford from 1896 - about 1930 I am looking for my mother in laws siblings and their DOB. I have Robert 1891 born Salford Mary 1894 born Salford Edith 1896 born Salford Amy 1899 born Salford John abt. 1902/4 Henry 1906 died 1933 Elsie 1910 Clara 1912 and several unplaced/undated ones Edward Thomas another Robert and a William I look forward to hearing from anybody with any ideas whatsoever kind regards Ann

Hello list; Looking for any information on Robert MURRAY, born about 1804 apparently in Scotland or Ireland, who moved to Manchester where he and his wife Anne had six children: Walter MURRAY, born about 1826 Elizabeth MURRAY, born about 1828 James MURRAY, born about 1831 Susanna MURRAY, born about 1833 Margaret MURRAY, born about 1838 Isabella MURRAY, born about 1840 This is one of our brick walls. Any information at all, including census information, would be most welcome. Regards Len Heyward

Hi Len, The Murray family on the 1841 census are living at ?Loyd St Manchester Robert aged 40 blacksmith b Scotland Ann aged 35 b Scotland all children born in Lancashire Walter aged 14 blacksmith apprentice Elizabeth age 13 James age 10 Susanna aged 8 Margaret aged 3 Isabella aged 11 months On the site www.lancashirebmd.org.uk there is a birth registration for an Isabella Murray, September quarter 1840, at Manchester vol 20 page 527,if you obtain this cert it should provide you with the maiden name of her mother Hope this helps Gilly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Len and June" <lhe6246@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-MANCHESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 3:01 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Robert MURRAY > Hello list; > > > > Looking for any information on Robert MURRAY, born about 1804 apparently > in > Scotland or Ireland, who moved to Manchester where he and his wife Anne > had > six children: > > Walter MURRAY, born about 1826 > > Elizabeth MURRAY, born about 1828 > > James MURRAY, born about 1831 > > Susanna MURRAY, born about 1833 > > Margaret MURRAY, born about 1838 > > Isabella MURRAY, born about 1840 > > > > This is one of our brick walls. Any information at all, including census > information, would be most welcome. > > > > Regards > > > > Len Heyward > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Forwarded with the kind permission of the author. Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike spencer" <mikedecc9@sky.com> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:10 PM Subject: [DBY] BURBAGE BURIALS 1867- 1868 > Hi list, > back to Burbage, near Buxton Mildred > > BURBAGE BURIALS 1867- 1868 > > 21 Mar 1867 Ann SKIDMORE Burbage 42 > 29 Mar 1867 Mary Hannah GRINDY Wye Head 8m > 12 Jun 1867 George PHEASEY Wye Head 37 > 31 Jul 1867 John BAGSHAW Burbage 76 > 26 Oct 1867 Anne Mary D'AUBNEY Lee Wood, Fairfield 46 > 28 Oct 1867 Isaac ALLSOPP Burbage 22 > 1 Mar 1868 Louisa BRINDLEY Ladmanlow 15m > 9 Mar 1868 William Henry NALL Buxton 2 > 15 Mar 1868 Alice NORTON Burbage 9m > 16 Mar 1868 Thomas NADIN Grin Row 17 days > 6 Sep 1868 James FURNISS Spring Garden, Buxton 5m > 21 Sep 1868 Eliza Ann NORTON Burbage 4m > 22 Nov 1868 William HAMBLETON Harper Hill 2 days > 24 Dec 1868 Frances Emma HILL Oldham,Lancs. 5 > > mike > > -- > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Forwarded with the kind permission of the author. Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike spencer" <mikedecc9@sky.com> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: [DBY] CHARLESWORTH ST JOHN BAPTISMS 1860 Jan - Jun > Hi list, > to Charlesworth. Up Glossop way Mildred. > > CHARLESWORTH ST JOHN BAPTISMS 1860 Jan - Jun > > 17 Jan 1860 Eli of Esther MORRIS Hole House weaver > 29 Jan 1860 Martha Anne of Hannah JACKSON Charlesworth ---- > 7 Feb 1860 William of Joseph and Jane BENNETT Charlesworth smith > 12 Feb 1860 Mary Ellen of Joseph and Mary WILD Broadbottom , weaver > 22 Feb 1860 John Henry of Joseph and Emma PENNINGTON Charlesworth, > stripper > 29 Feb 1860 William of Joseph and Emeline BOOTH Little Field machine maker > 29 Feb 1860 Anne of William and Sarah SCHOFIELD Simmondley shoemaker > 7 Mar 1860 James George of Joseph and Emeline BOOTH Little Field machine > maker > 7 Mar 1860 Alice Hannah of as above > 7 Mar 1860 Nancy of Moses and Sarah COOPER Charlesworth ,sawyer > 7 Mar 1860 Sarah Jane as above > 7 Mar 1860 Betty as above > 7 Mar 1860 Moses as above > 11 Mar 1860 James of John and Hannah SLATER Charlesworth spinner > 11 Mar 1860 Lydia as above > 5 Apr 1860 Margaret Anne of Edwin and Mary Elizabeth SWAN New York spinner > 10 Jun 1860 Maria of John and Anne SWAN Ashton under Lyne weaver > 24 Jun 1860 David of James and Margaret CONNOLLY New House, New Mills > lab. > > mike > > -- > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Forwarded with the kind permission of the author. Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike spencer" <mikedecc9@sky.com> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 9:42 PM Subject: [DBY] TADDINGTON BURIALS 1833-1834 > Hi 'geners, > up to Taddington > > TADDINGTON BURIALS 1833-1834 > > 9 Apr 1833 Peter HOLME Brushfield 81 > 30 Apr 1833 Robert DICKIN Flagg inf > 6 Jun 1833 Mary MOSSLEY Blackwell 32 > 14 Jul 1833 Ann HOLME King Sterndale 1y 10m > 27 Oct 1833 George Harrison ELEY Taddington inf > 15 Dec 1833 Lydia HOLME King Sterndale 86 > 16 Mar 1834 (sic) Elizabeth DICKINS Chapel en le Frith 60 > 20 Dec 1833 (sic) Simon SKIDMORE Taddington inf > 9 Jan 1834 John STONE Taddington 57 > 30 Jul 1834 Robert GOODDIE Manchester 57 > 28 Sep 1834 Jane TOWNSEND Manchester 27 > 30 Sep 1834 Sarah BODEN Litton 52 > 17 Oct 1834 John FIDDLER Taddington 56 > 28 Nov 1834 Michel (sic) OLDFIELD Taddington 59 > 2 Dec 1834 Mary DICKEN Litton inf > > mike > > -- > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Forwarded with the kind permission of the author. Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike spencer" <mikedecc9@sky.com> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:51 AM Subject: [DBY] HAYFIELD BURIALS 1869 > Morning 'geners, > up north near rhubard country, to Hayfield. > > HAYFIELD BURIALS 1869 > > 20 Jan 1869 John TURNER Glossop 3 > 15 Feb 1869 Joshua MARRIOTT South Head, Kinder 21 hrs > 27 Feb 1869 Jonah RANGELEY Hayfield 67 > 17 Mar 1869 James WOOD Manchester 26 > 26 Mar 1869 Ratcliffe HADFIELD Kinder 39 > 26 Mar 1869 Henry LOMAS Hayfield 68 > 30 Mar 1869 Peter TAYLOR Hayfield 77 > 28 Apr 1869 Thomas HARRISON Hayfield 62 fell over a bridge at Knights > Print > Works lived 5wks ,lingered in an unconcious state. > 30 Apr 1869 Ann WATERHOUSE Little Hayfield 38 > 3 Jun 1869 Martha WHEATCROFT Hayfield 75 > 25 Jun 1869 William WYATT Birch Vale 75 > 11 Jul 1869 Mary TURNER Compstall Bridge 58 > 30 Jul 1869 Jane HARRISON Birch Vale 76 > 5 Oct 1869 George BROCKLEHURST Hayfield 29 > 4 Dec 1869 Jane BROCKLEHURST Ridge Top, Hayfield Elly Bank 72 > 24 Dec 1869 James WATERHOUSE Elly Bank 76 > > mike > > -- > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >