Ruth/Jan, As I understand it, there are only St Mary's marriages for late 16th/early 17th century on both IGI and the Online Parish clerks sites. OPC are transcribing more at present. Adrian Prince Sunshine Coast Australia ----- Original Message ---- From: geejay <gee.jay@uq..net.au> To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 5 June, 2008 7:57:54 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] CROFT and IGI CORRECTIONS Hi Ruth, I had a look at the IGI entry you mentioned, and you can see at the bottom of the entry, on all three entries they are submission by a patron. So there can always be mistakes there. On the LDS Library Catalogue, there are several Parish reg. on film for Eccles, but I didn't see St.Mary's. You could check there, just in case I missed it. If you do find one, or any others of interest, you can attend any LDS Family History centre and order the film in, then read at your leisure [they give you a month] when it comes in.Costs 5dollars in Australia to do this.You can also get a photocopy of any entry relevant. Also If there is a source no: on the bottom of the IGI entry, you could find out who put in the submission by ordering that film.If there is a batch no:[double click and it will come up in the IGI search engine] you can find out what else they put in at the same time. Hope this has been of some help to you, Yours in Genealogy, Jan, in sunny Queensland, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <RuthGenda@aol.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:34 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] CROFT and IGI CORRECTIONS >I have two questions today. > > First, back to the CROFT family again. Benjamin was the victualler of > the > Edinburgh Castle in Ancoats for a while in the early 19thC. He married > Sarah > BRIDG(E)FORD (not BUDDYFORD as in the IGI) in St Mary's, Eccles on 8 > November > 1807. I have a copy of the entry in the parish register. His daughter, > Sarah, married my ggrandfather on 19 April 1841 in St Saviors, > Manchester. One > of the witnesses was Mary CROFT. The IGI will reveal nothing > of any relationship between Benjamin and Mary and there is no entry of > Benjamin's birth showing parents. Eccles registers have not yet been > transcribed > Does anyone have any further ideas as to where I may look myself. > > Second, I have already mentioned the error in the IGI transcription. Has > anyone experience of contacting those responsible for the IGI's upkeep in > an > effort to get something corrected? How ought I to set about it? > > Thanks for any help. > > Ruth ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail

Hi Ruth, Regarding St. Mary's, Eccles, I have ordered the film at the Edmonton LDS some years ago, and I'm pretty sure it went back to at least the 1700's. Good luck finding your marriage David

re: Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:43:33 -0400 Please, have others found that submissions re corrections to IGI records do in fact appear as extra entries? (Several years ago I supplied data {including civil registration number and registration district name} in writing [re amending a placename which does not exist in Australia regarding an event alleged to have occurred in one Australian state when it occurred in another] to a CJCLDS 'family history library' in Australia to forward on to IGI headquarters; but the correct data still does not display, while the erroneous data [which has no parish register or civil registration basis] remains on display) Winifred Johns ----- Original Message ----- From: <eng-manchester-request@rootsweb.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:04 PM Subject: ENG-MANCHESTER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 154 > > > Be sure mail to the list is in plain text. Please snip and change the > subject line to refect the content of your message. > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > List information page: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MANCHESTER.html > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > To request a change of format (plain text or MIME), write to > ENG-MANCHESTER-admin@rootsweb.com > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. CROFT and IGI CORRECTIONS (RuthGenda@aol.com) > 2. Re: CROFT and IGI CORRECTIONS (Liane Fenimore) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:34:32 EDT > From: RuthGenda@aol.com > Subject: [ENG-MAN] CROFT and IGI CORRECTIONS > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <d68.2dd1e14e.3576b078@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I have two questions today. > > First, back to the CROFT family again. Benjamin was the victualler of > the > Edinburgh Castle in Ancoats for a while in the early 19thC. He married > Sarah > BRIDG(E)FORD (not BUDDYFORD as in the IGI) in St Mary's, Eccles on 8 > November > 1807. I have a copy of the entry in the parish register. His daughter, > Sarah, married my ggrandfather on 19 April 1841 in St Saviors, > Manchester. One > of the witnesses was Mary CROFT. > > Mary could be a sister, sister-in-law or even mother of Benjamin. Or > none > of these if she is simply a parish clerk witness. The IGI will reveal > nothing > of any relationship between Benjamin and Mary and there is no entry of > Benjamin's birth showing parents. Eccles registers have not yet been > transcribed > for Lancs Parish Clerk so I can't look there. It's too big an ask of > Lancashire Record Office to go through the whole of 1778 looking for his > birth. > Does anyone have any further ideas as to where I may look myself. Or is > there > sks who would kindly do a look up in the Eccles PRs for me for that year? > I > would be most grateful. > > Second, I have already mentioned the error in the IGI transcription. Has > anyone experience of contacting those responsible for the IGI's upkeep in > an > effort to get something corrected? How ought I to set about it? > > Thanks for any help. > > Ruth > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:43:33 -0400 > From: "Liane Fenimore" <lfenimore@columbus.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] CROFT and IGI CORRECTIONS > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000b01c8c5b2$1b999640$6501a8c0@mom> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Unless things have changed, changes are not done to IGI records. They > will take a new entry. > > Here is what they say under FAQ: > > Can I make changes to a record in the International Genealogical Index > record if I can prove it is in error? A. No. The International > Genealogical Index contains information as it appeared on the original > record or in a submission. It cannot be changed. An alternative to > correcting the information is to submit the accurate information to > Pedigree Resource File by visiting www.familysearch.org and using the > Share option. > > Liane > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: RuthGenda@aol.com > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 10:34 AM > Subject: [ENG-MAN] CROFT and IGI CORRECTIONS > > > I have two questions today. > > First, back to the CROFT family again. Benjamin was the victualler of > the > Edinburgh Castle in Ancoats for a while in the early 19thC. He married > Sarah > BRIDG(E)FORD (not BUDDYFORD as in the IGI) in St Mary's, Eccles on 8 > November > 1807. I have a copy of the entry in the parish register. His daughter, > Sarah, married my ggrandfather on 19 April 1841 in St Saviors, > Manchester. One > of the witnesses was Mary CROFT. > > Mary could be a sister, sister-in-law or even mother of Benjamin. Or > none > of these if she is simply a parish clerk witness. The IGI will reveal > nothing > of any relationship between Benjamin and Mary and there is no entry of > Benjamin's birth showing parents. Eccles registers have not yet been > transcribed > for Lancs Parish Clerk so I can't look there. It's too big an ask of > Lancashire Record Office to go through the whole of 1778 looking for his > birth. > Does anyone have any further ideas as to where I may look myself. Or is > there > sks who would kindly do a look up in the Eccles PRs for me for that > year? I > would be most grateful. > > Second, I have already mentioned the error in the IGI transcription. > Has > anyone experience of contacting those responsible for the IGI's upkeep in > an > effort to get something corrected? 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Hi all. Can anyone help me?. I'm searching for Bartholomew Baxter b.1806 in Ireland who appears on the 1841 census living in Salford. He died in Manchester in 1864. There is absolutely nothing about him and his family that I can find in between even though his son, Joseph was married in Manchester on Christmas Day, 1853. I'm stuck!. Any help whatsoever would be massively appreciated. Thanks for reading and best wishes. Jonathan. _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/

Thank you, Liane, for those directions re the IGI. I've checked it out but it seems that IGI will still not accept individual corrections. I would have to submit a Gedcom file - which I haven't got - with this correction as part of it. Or so it seems to me. I'm not computer illiterate quite, but it's just not the way I work. While it could be regarded as a pity as I've spent many (20+) years searching for this person looking in the wrong direction, none of it has been wasted however because other discoveries have been made as a result of looking elsewhere. Genealogy and family history takes us off in so many directions - funny old business, really. I hope that anyone else researching BRIDG(E)FORD or BUDDYFORD will see this submission of mine to the Rootsweb list and realise the IGI error this way. Many thanks again, Liane. Ruth

Unless things have changed, changes are not done to IGI records. They will take a new entry. Here is what they say under FAQ: Can I make changes to a record in the International Genealogical Index record if I can prove it is in error? A. No. The International Genealogical Index contains information as it appeared on the original record or in a submission. It cannot be changed. An alternative to correcting the information is to submit the accurate information to Pedigree Resource File by visiting www.familysearch.org and using the Share option. Liane ----- Original Message ----- From: RuthGenda@aol.com To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 10:34 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] CROFT and IGI CORRECTIONS I have two questions today. First, back to the CROFT family again. Benjamin was the victualler of the Edinburgh Castle in Ancoats for a while in the early 19thC. He married Sarah BRIDG(E)FORD (not BUDDYFORD as in the IGI) in St Mary's, Eccles on 8 November 1807. I have a copy of the entry in the parish register. His daughter, Sarah, married my ggrandfather on 19 April 1841 in St Saviors, Manchester. One of the witnesses was Mary CROFT. Mary could be a sister, sister-in-law or even mother of Benjamin. Or none of these if she is simply a parish clerk witness. The IGI will reveal nothing of any relationship between Benjamin and Mary and there is no entry of Benjamin's birth showing parents. Eccles registers have not yet been transcribed for Lancs Parish Clerk so I can't look there. It's too big an ask of Lancashire Record Office to go through the whole of 1778 looking for his birth. Does anyone have any further ideas as to where I may look myself. Or is there sks who would kindly do a look up in the Eccles PRs for me for that year? I would be most grateful. Second, I have already mentioned the error in the IGI transcription. Has anyone experience of contacting those responsible for the IGI's upkeep in an effort to get something corrected? How ought I to set about it? Thanks for any help. Ruth ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have two questions today. First, back to the CROFT family again. Benjamin was the victualler of the Edinburgh Castle in Ancoats for a while in the early 19thC. He married Sarah BRIDG(E)FORD (not BUDDYFORD as in the IGI) in St Mary's, Eccles on 8 November 1807. I have a copy of the entry in the parish register. His daughter, Sarah, married my ggrandfather on 19 April 1841 in St Saviors, Manchester. One of the witnesses was Mary CROFT. Mary could be a sister, sister-in-law or even mother of Benjamin. Or none of these if she is simply a parish clerk witness. The IGI will reveal nothing of any relationship between Benjamin and Mary and there is no entry of Benjamin's birth showing parents. Eccles registers have not yet been transcribed for Lancs Parish Clerk so I can't look there. It's too big an ask of Lancashire Record Office to go through the whole of 1778 looking for his birth. Does anyone have any further ideas as to where I may look myself. Or is there sks who would kindly do a look up in the Eccles PRs for me for that year? I would be most grateful. Second, I have already mentioned the error in the IGI transcription. Has anyone experience of contacting those responsible for the IGI's upkeep in an effort to get something corrected? How ought I to set about it? Thanks for any help. Ruth

Hi All Has anyone knowledge of what the enumerators district was for the Salford Jail in the 1841 census I believe it was in the Regent Street district Thaks Robert From the Roaring Forties

Hi Jean, I don't think you mentioned locating Louisa BAMFORD's son Rowland in the 1891 Census, I found him boarding at the home of Mrs Jane HOPWOOD / HEMPWOOD / HAPWOOD, Grocer, at 14 & 16 Mount Street, Chorlton on Medlock, aged 15 years, single, grocer's assistant. (reference: RG12 piece 3182 folio 138 page 1) Hope this helps, Cheers, Diane Sydney, NSW Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jean Thatcher Sent: Sunday, 1 June 2008 5:10 PM To: eng-manchester-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] Help or suggestions needed My great grandmother was born Louisa Hill in Salford in 1854, these are the details that I have on her. I think I have the correct birth from Lancashirebmd which I am going to send for.She married my great grandfather Rowland Sykes Bamford at Ogden St. Chapel Ardwick in 1875 and had my grandfather another Rowland in 1876. Now this is where I have a bit of a riddle. I have for Louisa the 1861, 1871, 1881, and 1901 censuses, after she married in 1875 all the censuses state she was married but she was never with Rowland , infact there is only one time that I found her son with her and that was the 1901 census in Blackpool. The 1881 and 1891 census shows Rowland living with his mother Eliza in Ardwick as a single man . In 1901 transcribed as Roland Banford he was shown as married to a Mary Ann and a daughter Clara. It also said he was born in Macclesfield but I think this might have been Mary. When he died a few years later it was his sister that notified the birth. I think I have found Louisa's correct family her father John was deceased when she married but through the censuses I found her 1871 living with her sister Charlotte Blair who was shown on the 1861 census with John and Jane Hill. On the 1881 census she was living with her sister Eliza Wren. The siblings I have found are Charlotte, Samuel and Eliza Ford Hill, there might be a Mary but have not checked that properly. Where she was in 1891 remains a mystery. She was'nt with her son who was in Hulme at the time. Any suggestions or help very much welcome Jean ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1476 - Release Date: 5/31/2008 12:25 PM

Hi Diane, Thank you for your time and effort, very much appreciated. Jean Shorland3 <shorland3@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

I have my Granddad's birth certificate (dob 17 August 1891 in Hulme). His mother is named as Annie WALKER formerly JONES. His father is named as John WALKER a Lurry Driver. This has been a brick wall, so today I searched for his Baptism at Central Library. He was christened at Hulme on the 2 Sept 1891 and all details are the same EXCEPT his mother is named as Clara! (no previous surname given) I cannot find a marriage to Annie or Clara. Has anyone any idea why the names might be different? (He boarded with another family from an early age and eventually adopted a different surname.) Pat W

G'day Geoff, That's a fair hike from Bolton to the other side of Manchester but if you are going for your own needs then I would be very grateful for your help. That's providing I can give you the information you will need. Thanks, Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: <Geordiegeoff@aol.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Grave Photo > Hi Terry, > > As you have the death and burial dates, if your "some kind soul" pops > into > the office at the main entrance to Southern Cemetery they may be able to > supply the grave reference and map to assist, perhaps for a small > donation. > > They were very helpful when I visited them last year > > I'm afraid that ,in such a large cemetery you have very little chance of > someone "stumbling across" the very grave that you are looking for but > best of > luck! > > If you can wait until the web-site is up and running again and you are > able > to get the grave references feel free to contact me again and I will see > if I > can fit in a cemetery visit. (I also have interests there) > > Cheers > > Geoff, > Bolton > > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a similiar name situation in my family tree. According to various documents my g-grandmother is named Hannah Clara, Annie Clara, Clara Hannah and just plain Clara!! It has been explained to me that often the accuracy of the names/dates given on the census and other documents depended on who was at home when the enumerator called and who gave the information! Sometimes it was a lodger or even a neighbour, whose knowledge of the family names etc might be a bit sketchy. Best of luck! Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "patricia williams" <pat.williams121@virgin.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 11:36 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Any ideas? > > I have my Granddad's birth certificate (dob 17 August 1891 in Hulme). His > mother is named as Annie WALKER formerly JONES. His father is named as > John > WALKER a Lurry Driver. > This has been a brick wall, so today I searched for his Baptism at Central > Library. > > He was christened at Hulme on the 2 Sept 1891 and all details are the same > EXCEPT his mother is named as Clara! (no previous surname given) I cannot > find a marriage to Annie or Clara. > > Has anyone any idea why the names might be different? > (He boarded with another family from an early age and eventually adopted a > different surname.) > Pat W > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1476 - Release Date: 5/31/2008 > 12:25 PM >

Hi Ann, I do understand that it's off topic, I was just worried about people visiting on their own. My parents and grandmother are also buried there, when I make the trip from my home in Somerset to Southern Cemetery I now have to make sure that I''m accompanied, it so sad because I would like to sit by the grave and tell them things, it's not quite the same when someone else is with me. I'm sure that they understand. Here where I live in Somerset it's totally different, I hardly ever lock my car, house doors and windows are left open, walking my dog in the woods is safe and it's safe to walk in the village late at night time. Grave yards are totally respected, once a year the local young people help do a thorough clean up of all weeds etc. How the world has changed in other places, we seem to be in a time warp, long may it be that way. Have a good day, Regards Jackie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann" <Gordon.Annbrown@btinternet.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Southern Cemetery graves. > Hi Jackie > I have sent this reply off list because some peoplewill say that it isnt a > relevant topic. > It is very sad and a sign of the times. I have not been to my parents > grave > in over a year for the same reason, > I am waiting until a convenient time for someone to take me. I live in > Cheshire but it is just the same here, > > kind regards > Ann > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jackie" <jackie005@soms.fsnet.co.uk> > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 10:45 AM > Subject: [ENG-MAN] Southern Cemetery graves. > > >> As stated, Southern Cemetery graveyard is huge and also there is the >> Cremeturium Garden of Rememberence. >> >> I had reason to believe that my Loval/Lovely- Towhey's were buried there. >> >> I visited the Cemetery Office asking if they could give me the grave >> numbers, unfortuantely there was not any record of my ancestors being >> buried there. >> >> Whilst I was walking through the grounds I was stopped by a Policeman who >> told me that it was very dangerous to walk through the graveyard by >> myself >> because a number of sexual assaults and muggings had taken place. He also >> told me that it was unwise to carry a hangbag in the graveyard. Sound >> advise but very sad! >> >> I later discovered that my Loval/Lovely-Towheys had left Manchester in >> the >> 1930's and were buried in Lambeth London. >> >> Do take care. Jackie. >> >> >> >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >> >> Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >> Other people can learn from them! >> >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1475 - Release Date: 5/30/2008 2:53 PM

Hi Jackie I have sent this reply off list because some peoplewill say that it isnt a relevant topic. It is very sad and a sign of the times. I have not been to my parents grave in over a year for the same reason, I am waiting until a convenient time for someone to take me. I live in Cheshire but it is just the same here, kind regards Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie" <jackie005@soms.fsnet.co.uk> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Southern Cemetery graves. > As stated, Southern Cemetery graveyard is huge and also there is the > Cremeturium Garden of Rememberence. > > I had reason to believe that my Loval/Lovely- Towhey's were buried there. > > I visited the Cemetery Office asking if they could give me the grave > numbers, unfortuantely there was not any record of my ancestors being > buried there. > > Whilst I was walking through the grounds I was stopped by a Policeman who > told me that it was very dangerous to walk through the graveyard by myself > because a number of sexual assaults and muggings had taken place. He also > told me that it was unwise to carry a hangbag in the graveyard. Sound > advise but very sad! > > I later discovered that my Loval/Lovely-Towheys had left Manchester in the > 1930's and were buried in Lambeth London. > > Do take care. Jackie. > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

As stated, Southern Cemetery graveyard is huge and also there is the Cremeturium Garden of Rememberence. I had reason to believe that my Loval/Lovely- Towhey's were buried there. I visited the Cemetery Office asking if they could give me the grave numbers, unfortuantely there was not any record of my ancestors being buried there. Whilst I was walking through the grounds I was stopped by a Policeman who told me that it was very dangerous to walk through the graveyard by myself because a number of sexual assaults and muggings had taken place. He also told me that it was unwise to carry a hangbag in the graveyard. Sound advise but very sad! I later discovered that my Loval/Lovely-Towheys had left Manchester in the 1930's and were buried in Lambeth London. Do take care. Jackie.

In a message dated 02/06/2008 09:53:43 GMT Standard Time, terry4197@optusnet.com.au writes: G'day Geoff, That's a fair hike from Bolton to the other side of Manchester but if you are going for your own needs then I would be very grateful for your help. That's providing I can give you the information you will need. Thanks, Terry It won't be a problem,Terry.Just have to pick a dry day to avoid any muddy patches in the rows of headstones! Geoff

Please how may one trace "deaths / burials / graves", which are not on the "Manchester burials' index", i.e., a.. "The person may have been buried in a cemetery that is not operated by Manchester City Council and therefore no records are held for these burials within this system. a.. "The person may have been buried within church grounds and these records are not available on the online system. a.. "The person may be buried in a cemetery, which, although managed by Manchester City Council, may now be closed. The records contained in the system are from currently in use cemeteries managed by Manchester City Council." Thanking you in anticipation Winifred Johns [previous specific request of 2 April 2008:] "As yet I have been unable to resolve the DEATH /BURIAL in or near > Manchester of 2 people: > > 1. Richard WADKIN / WATKIN, who married [as Richard WADKIN, 'occupation: > cotton spinning'] at the Manchester Cathedral of St Mary St Denys and St > George in 1803 and had 2 children baptised there: 1804 Sarah WATKIN; 1805 > James WATKIN;] and who DIED BETWEEN 1805-1811. [Residential address in > Manchester of Richard and Elizabeth Watkin not yet identified] > > 2. Mrs. Elizabeth ROBERTS [wife of Richard ROBERTS, widow of Richard > WATKIN, maiden surname HOYLE] who died between 24-31 Dec 1824 - her 8th > child, Jemima ROBERTS, was born on 24 Dec 1824; OR between 1 Jan. - 29 > Sep. 1825. {Her son James on his 70th birthday, 29 Sep 1875, recalled "It > is 50 years since my mother died".} > > I have not identified either on National Burial Index; or on cemetery > records of the following. [Church name format from Manchester City > Council 'Church Register List'.]:- > a) Manchester City Centre- Cathedral St Mary, St Denys and St George. > [Where both marriages occurred, and children of 1st marriage were > christened]; > b) Manchester City Centre- Great Bridgewater Street Wesleyan See Hulme- > Hulme (Wesley) Methodist. [Where oldest children of 2nd marriage were > christened.] > c) Manchester City Centre- Oldham Street Wesleyan See Manchester, > Central Hall, Oldham Street (formerly Oldham Street Wesleyan). [Where the > younger children of 2nd marriage were christened. Note: Oldham St. > Wesleyan church did not have an on-site burial ground] N.B. No > christenings listed at a 'Wesleyan New Connection church,' or at the more > distant 'Oldham Rd.' church.] > d) Cheetham and Cheetham Hill- Cheetham Hill Wesleyan > Burials-1815-1832- MFPR 269 [Burial years could only have applied to > Elizabeth Roberts - too late for Richard Watkin. - This cemetery was > suggested as having a sizeable number of Wesleyan burials.] > e) Manchester City Centre- St Ann [not far from the Cathedral] > f) Manchester City Centre- St John, Deansgate [not far from street > addresses where children of 2nd marriage were born] > g) Manchester City Centre- St James, George Street [not far from Great > Bridgewater St. Wesleyan] > > Richard ROBERTS' business / residential addresses in directories include: > 1821-1822 Pigot & Deane's directory: joiner, Bishopsgate, Manchester > 1822 in Pigot's directory: joiner 39 Lombard St.; house at 237 Deansgate > 1824-1825 Pigot's directory: joiner, 3 Bishopsgate, Manchester > 1825, Baine's directory: leather dealer, 52 Fleet St. > > Help, advice or suggestions appreciated. Thank you > Winifred Johns 2 4 08: www.lancashirebmd.org.uk - burials checked for > 'Roberts' & 'Wadkin / Watkin' for following Lancashire parishes 1805-1825 > [where transcribed]: Parish of Ashton in Makerfield St. James, Milnrow parish St. Leonard Walton le dale; St. Elphin Warrington; St. Oswald, fmly Holy Trinity, Warton parish; St. Michael, Whitewell; All Saints, Wigan ]

If you email the cemetery they may tell you the information you want. They told me where my family was. Betty Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: Geordiegeoff@aol.com Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008 6:16 am Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Grave Photo To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Hi Terry, > > As you have the death and burial dates, if your "some kind > soul" pops into > the office at the main entrance to Southern Cemetery they may be > able to > supply the grave reference and map to assist, perhaps for a > small donation. > > They were very helpful when I visited them last year > > I'm afraid that ,in such a large cemetery you have very little > chance of > someone "stumbling across" the very grave that you are looking > for but best of > luck! > > If you can wait until the web-site is up and running again and > you are able > to get the grave references feel free to contact me again and I > will see if I > can fit in a cemetery visit. (I also have interests there) > > Cheers > > Geoff, > Bolton > > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG- > MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Liane, I have never found him on the 1881 census, I presumed he was with his mother but never entered on the census. The only actual time I found him with his mother Louisa was the 1901 census in Blackpool Jean Liane Fenimore <lfenimore@columbus.rr.com> wrote: ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message