Hi again Simon, I pressed the SEND button to quickly, I meant to add more detail about occupations etc - William SETTREE, (M) Head. Aged: 46. Occupation: Block Printer. Born: London, Middlesex Hanah SETTREE, (F) Wife. Aged: 44. Occupation: Fustian Cutter. Born: Ashton On Lyne, Lancashire John SETTREE, (M) Son. Unmarried. Aged: difficult to read. Occupation given is Callenderer. Born: Salford Lancashire Sarah SETTREE, (F) Daughter. Unmarried. Aged: 18/21 (? rounded up or down). Occupation: Steam Loom Weaver Cotton. Born: Salford, Lancashire Mary SETTREE, (F) Daughter. Unmarried. Aged: 14/18. Occupation: ? looks like Card Sorter Cotton. Born: Salford, Lancashire Jesse SETTREE, (M) Son. Unmarried. Aged: 12. Occupation: Silk Piecer. Born: Salford, Lancashire William SETTREE, (M) Son. Unmarried. Aged: 9. Scholar. Born: Salford, Lancashire William GARDNER (M) Lodger. Unmarried. Aged: 21. Occupation: Callenderer. Born: St Allen, Herefordshire I didn't know what a Callenderer did, so looked it up and found an excellent site listing old occupations. A Callenderer is a person who operated a machine which pressed using two large rollers (calender) used to press and finish fabrics or paper. Hope you find this helpful, Kind Regards, Diane Sydney, NSW Australia

Hi Simon, Hope this is what you were looking for, I found the following on Ancestry.com - Name Sarah Settree Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Hannah Gender: Female Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Manchester Household Members: Name Age William Gardner 21 Hannah Settree 44 Jesse Settree 12 John Settree 2 Mary Settree 18 Sarah Settree 21 William Settree 46 William Settree 9 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2229; Folio: 139; Page: 4; GSU roll: 87240-87241. Kind Regards, Diane Sydney NSW -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Simon Jerram Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2008 4:23 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] Look-up Settree I'm a bit puzzled, just forked out £5 for census access via genesreunited, but find they don't have the records I'm looking for. Ancestry.co.uk do! Was looking for the household of Sarah Settree (b approx 1830) in 1851- I believe she had a sister Mary, her father was William and her mother Hannah. If anyone could help me out I would be greatful. Simon Jerram Home Page: http://www.thejerrams.co.uk/ ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1498 - Release Date: 6/11/2008 7:13 PM

Thank you, that's great! --- Shorland3 <shorland3@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > My apologies to fellow listers if you receive this > email twice, not sure if > it went through the first time. > > > Hi Simon, > > Hope this is what you were looking for, I found the > following on > Ancestry.com - > > Name Sarah Settree > Age: 21 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 > Relation: Daughter > Father's Name: William > Mother's Name: Hannah > Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England > Household Members: > Name Age > William Gardner 21 > Hannah Settree 44 > Jesse Settree 12 > John Settree 2 > Mary Settree 18 > Sarah Settree 21 > William Settree 46 > William Settree 9 > > Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2229; Folio: > 139; Page: 4; GSU roll: > 87240-87241. > > Kind Regards, > Diane > Sydney NSW > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Simon Jerram > Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2008 4:23 AM > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-MAN] Look-up Settree > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to > the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > Simon Jerram Home Page: http://www.thejerrams.co.uk/

Hi List, new to this list and looking for Gervase and James Wrench. I know Gervase married in Manchester Catherdral in1851 to Sarah Armstrong and was in various census and directories as a baker/provision merchant/shopkeeper ect. My question is does anyone know if he was of the same family as James Wrench of Manchester. Also described as baker/shopkeeper etc. on census and directory. Gervase Wrench born Cheshire 1811/12 James Wrench born Manchester? 1806 What I really am trying to find is the father of James wife Mary Bevington born Stoke area 1806. I have tried every approach I can think of and am now clutching at straws !!! Regards Sandra No virus found in this outgoing message Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (4.0.0.26 - 10.077.005). http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/

Hello folks, As suggested by someone here, I am listing the streets associated with the WALTON family when they were living and manufacturing glass in the Hulme area 1861-1871. It would be terrific if anyone can find any of these for me? Or send me clips of maps of the date? I think they are all Hulme, but might spill over into Chorlton or Ancoats areas. Clopton Street, house no. 85 (Hulme Sub-reg. district of Chorlton District, St George's Municipal. Ward) Rutland Street, house no 31 (Hulme Sub-Reg. District of Chorlton, St. George's Municipal Ward) Stafford Street, house no. 12 (St George's Municipal Ward) Brookside, Hulme, house no. 12 (St. George's Ward) City Road, Hulme, house no. 43 (Medlock Municipal Ward, Hulme Sub-Reg. District of Chorlton District) River Road, house no. 4 (Hulme, Hulme Sub-Reg. District of Chorlton District) Welcom Street., house no. 66 (Medlock Municipal Ward) Glass Street, which should be off Medlock Street. There should be a glassworks there. *********************** Finally, in Salford in 1881: Craven Street, house number 63. (Regent Rd. sub-reg. district of Salford District) *********************** Thank you so much! I have been scrunching up my eyes on online maps today but only found City Road and even that may have been different by the quite late date of the map. BTW thanks for the link to that great online resource of maps of Lancashire. Thanks to that I have got further along with a search for an early glassmaking site in Liverpool. Sally in Yorkshire

hi, is there anyone elso on the list who is researching the HURST surname, in manchester and salford? possibly also in sutton lancashire. would love to hear from you if you are. regards maggi _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE

I'm a bit puzzled, just forked out £5 for census access via genesreunited, but find they don't have the records I'm looking for. Ancestry.co.uk do! Was looking for the household of Sarah Settree (b approx 1830) in 1851- I believe she had a sister Mary, her father was William and her mother Hannah. If anyone could help me out I would be greatful. Simon Jerram Home Page: http://www.thejerrams.co.uk/

Dear David, Sally, et al, Here is a rootsweb linked page that has a multitude of free old maps of Lancashire towns There are some of Manchester but there are lots of other towns and villages too. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~genmaps/genfiles/COU_Pages/ENG_pages/lan.htm The above URL word wraps across two lines so click on this shortcut to the same page: http://tinyurl.com/4nzmxh Cheers, Tony Moore (Castle Hill, NSW, Australia) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ---- David Wightmore <dvdwmore@telus.net> wrote: > Hi Sally, > > I have an image of an 1858 map of Manchester and Salford that I will attempt > to send you off list should you so desire. It would be entitled > 1858Manchester.jpg, and is almost 9Mb in size. Drop me a note offline ( > dvdwmore@telus.net ) and we'll see if your mailbox is big enough to accept > an attachment of this size. > > > hth > > David > > >

Hello folks, I am much obliged to Kath and Heather for their help. The website http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/ is a huge boost, and already I have found the name of a glass manufacturing family in Liverpool in 1828-29 which I think the WALTONs married into, so that is terrific. What about websites for Victorian street maps of Hulme/Salford, please? I need these in order to identify the several addresses I have for the Waltons. Modern maps are no good of course.... because it was all bombed out in the War? The closest I have come yet is Vision of Britain web pages, but the image of early Manchester is way too fuzzy. I would much appreciate any links for maps. While I am here I would like to recommend Steven Dowd's excellent site http://www.n-le-w.co.uk/ all about Newton-le-Willows and Earlestown for anyone who wants to research in that area just west of Manchester. I know it is out of the bounds of this list but someone might find it useful. It has some terrific maps. Sally in East Yorkshire

Hi Sally, I have an image of an 1858 map of Manchester and Salford that I will attempt to send you off list should you so desire. It would be entitled 1858Manchester.jpg, and is almost 9Mb in size. Drop me a note offline ( dvdwmore@telus.net ) and we'll see if your mailbox is big enough to accept an attachment of this size. hth David

Hi Sally, Numerous people on the list have access to the 1848-9 Godfrey series Old Ordnance Survey maps, and if you tell us the street names you are interested in, someone (maybe even me...) will send you images as required. hth David Wightmore

Re Chartists, an excellent site has been set up by Mark Crail. My husband wrote a section which Mark has now called - Prosecution Witnesses - thta gives info for some who came "Down Under" (to Australia). www.chartists.net Regards, Jan On 07/06/2008, at 1:34 AM, Noel Luke wrote: > I will be in Manchester for a visit from August 4 thru the 11th and > was > wondering if anyone has information regarding Manchester Chartism.

Hi Sally, From the 1858 Lancashire Directory : GLASS MANUFACTURERS Derbyshire,J[flint]248 City rd Hulme Robinson.W[flint] Glass st,Medlock st,Hulme Walton R,Albion Glass works,Bolton No mention of Samuel Walton From the 1869 Slater's Trade Directory for Lancashire : GLASS MANUFACTURERS Walton,Saml.,Glass st,Medlock st,Hulme Derbyshire,John & brother[flint]248 City rd,Hulme & Trentham st,Chester rd Walton Samuel,Albion Flint glass works,Parrott st,Bolton 1873 Manchester Directory GLASS MANUFACTURERS [flint] Derbyshire,J.J.&T.,248 City rd & Trentham st,Hulme Derbyshire,John,Regent rd flint glass works,Salford No listing for Samuel Walton or his Glass works. Hope this helps, Cheers Kath

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Hi Sally Have you explored http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/ ? From experience, I start with selecting an area Then sort the list by decade Once you open a suitable directory, then search for (in your case) GLASS Hope this helps Heather PS If you find that it isn't loading properly - try again later. The site is no longer actively maintained and sometimes it "falls over". Usually someone mends it but it can take an hour or so. Sally Haden wrote: > Hi Folks > > Secondly for now, can anyone help me with directories? I don't need > any census look-ups thanks. It is glass companies that I want, in > trade entries. > > Many thanks! > > Sally > in Yorkshire > Researching Walton family in Stourbridge, Gateshead, Sunderland, > Billingham, Bolton, Manchester, Japan and Newton-le-Willows > >

Hi Folks I am new to this list, although not new to the subject of Victorian Manchester. I am writing a book about some Victorian glassmakers who went from Britain to Japan c. 1873 to c. 1885, including my Scottish great grandfather. They went at the request of the Japanese government to help Japan establish its first Western-style glassworks. The first one was Thomas WALTON Jnr. He came from a large family of glassmakers and glass manufacturers by the name of WALTON, who had congregated in Lancashire from the late 1860s onwards. Originating in Stourbridge, they had been working and living in various parts of the country since about 1825. In Lancashire where they settled, they became heavily involved in pressed glass manufacture. As far as I can see, a major interest for them was Hulme. I have a few questions I would like to put to you, but just for now I need to ground the genealogy with reference to some Victorian-period street maps of Hulme. Okay, I know about the Godfrey Series but I don't want to spend money on those just yet. Are there some free online resources please? I know some local authorities put good maps online for free. Secondly for now, can anyone help me with directories? I don't need any census look-ups thanks. It is glass companies that I want, in trade entries. I am particularly interested to find any trade entries for Samuel WALTON, who may have either had his own small glass works, or more likely he was a manager perhaps working for the Derbyshire glassworks which were at first in City Road, Hulme (possibly known as "Bridgewater Flint Glassworks") and later at the "Regent Flint Glass Works", Regent Road, Salford. * 1861 Census, Samuel Walton is living 85 Clopton Street, Hulme and says he is a glass manufacturer * 1871 Census, Samuel Walton is living at 43 City Road, Hulme and says he is a glass manufacturer employing 24 men and 20 boys. Later I will visit the archives in Manchester. Should anyone come up with information about the Walton-owned glassworks which they had in Bolton and Newton-le-Willows, that would be welcome too, but I do have those fairly well covered. It is the Hulme area which I know little about. Many thanks! Sally in Yorkshire Researching Walton family in Stourbridge, Gateshead, Sunderland, Billingham, Bolton, Manchester, Japan and Newton-le-Willows

Greetings all, I found this listing while looking through obits in Clarkston, Michigan... Died, Salt Lake City, 05 Dec 1885, James SHELMERDINE, born Manchester, England, 19 Dec 1819 There were a few SHELMERDINE seekers a couple of years ago; hope they are still around... David

I will be in Manchester for a visit from August 4 thru the 11th and was wondering if anyone has information regarding Manchester Chartism. I know, for example, that the Chartists built Carpenter's Hall that is no longer standing. While there, I'd like to collect as much research as possible regarding Manchester's involvement in Chartism. Noel Luke Phoenix, AZ

Hi Ruth, I had a look at the IGI entry you mentioned, and you can see at the bottom of the entry, on all three entries they are submission by a patron. So there can always be mistakes there. On the LDS Library Catalogue, there are several Parish reg. on film for Eccles, but I didn't see St.Mary's. You could check there, just in case I missed it. If you do find one, or any others of interest, you can attend any LDS Family History centre and order the film in, then read at your leisure [they give you a month] when it comes in.Costs 5dollars in Australia to do this.You can also get a photocopy of any entry relevant. Also If there is a source no: on the bottom of the IGI entry, you could find out who put in the submission by ordering that film.If there is a batch no:[double click and it will come up in the IGI search engine] you can find out what else they put in at the same time. Hope this has been of some help to you, Yours in Genealogy, Jan, in sunny Queensland, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <RuthGenda@aol.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:34 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] CROFT and IGI CORRECTIONS >I have two questions today. > > First, back to the CROFT family again. Benjamin was the victualler of > the > Edinburgh Castle in Ancoats for a while in the early 19thC. He married > Sarah > BRIDG(E)FORD (not BUDDYFORD as in the IGI) in St Mary's, Eccles on 8 > November > 1807. I have a copy of the entry in the parish register. His daughter, > Sarah, married my ggrandfather on 19 April 1841 in St Saviors, > Manchester. One > of the witnesses was Mary CROFT. The IGI will reveal nothing > of any relationship between Benjamin and Mary and there is no entry of > Benjamin's birth showing parents. Eccles registers have not yet been > transcribed > Does anyone have any further ideas as to where I may look myself. > > Second, I have already mentioned the error in the IGI transcription. Has > anyone experience of contacting those responsible for the IGI's upkeep in > an > effort to get something corrected? How ought I to set about it? > > Thanks for any help. > > Ruth

Thank you very much Jan, Adrian, David and Winifred for all the helpful advice. I've been playing for about an hour now!! Just to clarify - I do have a photocopy of the marriage of Benjamin CROFT and Sarah BRIDGFORD registered in the Eccles PRs which have been filmed, and copies of which are held in Salford Local History Library. This marriage was confirmed by the archivist at the Central Library, St. Peter's Manchester, who checked the microfilmed copies of the BTs. This is as close as one can get to the original documents. So I'm pretty sure of the information if only IGI could be persuaded to accept it. Jan, I checked the three batch numbers and found one of them had a long list of entries of CROFTs born and married in Eccles at that time. So I need to take a trip up North to Manchester to search the filmed PRs and BTs myself. Although its a fair distance it's not as far as Australia! And I can look forward to a couple of days away... Thanks again. Ruth