1891 England Census 1891 England Census Name: Lavinia Berck Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Thomas Mother's Name: Lavinia Gender: Female Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Hulme Ecclesiastical parish: St George Town: Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View Image Registration district: Chorlton Sub registration district: Hulme ED, institution, or vessel: 45 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Lavinia Berck 22 Lavinia Berck 2 Thomas Berck 23 I can send you the image if you like. Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Ball" <itsbally@hotmail.com> To: <eng-manchester-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 11:23 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Lavina Birch. 1891 Census look up please. > > Hi all > > I am currently trying to find Lavina Birch b. 1888 in Chorlton. She is on > the 1901 census but I can't find her anywhere on the 1891 census. THe > reason I am looking for her in 1891 is that the 1901 census does not state > her mothers name and subsequently I have no way of tracing her parents > marriage details. Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated. > > Many thanks > > Jonathan. > _________________________________________________________________ > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000007ukm/direct/01/ > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all I am currently trying to find Lavina Birch b. 1888 in Chorlton. She is on the 1901 census but I can't find her anywhere on the 1891 census. THe reason I am looking for her in 1891 is that the 1901 census does not state her mothers name and subsequently I have no way of tracing her parents marriage details. Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks Jonathan. _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000007ukm/direct/01/

Thanks to Patricia for encouragement and to Sue for 1871 data. Unfortunately another dead end - TAYLOR doesn't fit my family tree at all. No point in looking at 1881 as I know my g-mother etc. were then in Salford. For those who may be interested, my g-mother (at age 28 mths) was "acquired" by the Heywoods after her mother died in Malta in 1871. How she got from Malta to Salford is a mystery. Gratefully, Paul in Bangalow Australia At 00:19 15/06/2008 +0100, Sue wrote: >Details found for Paul and sent off list - the TAYLOR family resided at >60 Sackville St in 1871. >-----Original Message----- >From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com >On Behalf Of Paul T Gray >Sent: 14 June 2008 05:10 >Subject: [ENG-MAN] Sackville St resident 1870s > >Hello list members, >My grandmother's foster father, George W. Heywood was a Quartermaster >Sergeant discharged from Royal Engineers at Portsmouth on 17/10/1876 >after 21 years service. His service record says he intended to reside >after discharge at 60 Sackville Street, Manchester. >Can anyone please tell me who was living there at 1871 census time and >who was there ten years later. >GWH was married in 1864 at Southwark Surrey. He and his wife are >missing from the 1871 census, perhaps because he was then still a >serving soldier, but in 1881 and 1891 he and his wife and "daughter" >were at 5 Sidney Street, Salford Lancs. >Grateful for any information you can provide, >Paul

Thankyou to the people who have mailed me direct re Mike Morris "The Map King". He is a sad loss to this web site! Pat W ----- Original Message ----- From: patricia williams To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 8:09 PM Subject: Mike, King of the Maps Hi List, About 12 months ago, before I had a rest from genealogy, there was a member of this list called Mike. He had wonderful maps and lots of local knowledge. (Presently living in ?Canada or somewhere else USA) He was a great help to lots of people including myself. I just wonder if he is still subscribed. I have recently borrowed a CD (old map) and am having a nightmare placing the portion of map sent to me by Mike! It has made me realise (even more) how time consuming it must have been for him to look up numerous streets (no indexing on these maps!!) If Mike is still out there - I only want his expert opinion - not a look-up! Any one else an expert on Hulme around 1890 ? Gratefully hoping, Pat W

Know the feeling well!! Keeps us going!! (I was going to bed an hour ago!) Pat W -- Original Message ----- From: Paul T Gray To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:59 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Sackville St resident 1870s Thanks to Patricia for encouragement and to Sue for 1871 data. Unfortunately another dead end - TAYLOR doesn't fit my family tree at all. No point in looking at 1881 as I know my g-mother etc. were then in Salford. For those who may be interested, my g-mother (at age 28 mths) was "acquired" by the Heywoods after her mother died in Malta in 1871. How she got from Malta to Salford is a mystery. Gratefully, Paul in Bangalow Australia

Sue, Out of interest, can you remember which Manchester enumeration district you found Sackville St in 1871? Also -- did it take you ages to find it - or is there a secret way?? Pat W ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Sackville St resident 1870s Details found for Paul and sent off list - the TAYLOR family resided at 60 Sackville St in 1871. Sue Manchester/UK

Details found for Paul and sent off list - the TAYLOR family resided at 60 Sackville St in 1871. Sue Manchester/UK -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul T Gray Sent: 14 June 2008 05:10 To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] Sackville St resident 1870s Hello list members, My grandmother's foster father, George W. Heywood was a Quartermaster Sergeant discharged from the Royal Engineers at Portsmouth on 17/10/1876 after 21 years service. His service record says he intended to reside after discharge at 60 Sackville Street, Manchester. Can anyone please tell me who was living there at 1871 census time and who was there ten years later. GWH was married in 1864 at Southwark Surrey. He and his wife are missing from the 1871 census, perhaps because he was then still a serving soldier, but in 1881 and 1891 he and his wife and "daughter" were at 5 Sidney Street, Salford Lancs. Grateful for any information you can provide, Paul ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1502 - Release Date: 13/06/2008 19:25

Hi Paul, Just to say that you are not forgotten - it is very time consuming to find streets - I've been looking for ages but not found it yet! Fingers crossed! Pat W ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul T Gray To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:10 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Sackville St resident 1870s Hello list members, My grandmother's foster father, George W. Heywood was a Quartermaster Sergeant discharged from the Royal Engineers at Portsmouth on 17/10/1876 after 21 years service. His service record says he intended to reside after discharge at 60 Sackville Street, Manchester. Can anyone please tell me who was living there at 1871 census time and who was there ten years later. GWH was married in 1864 at Southwark Surrey. He and his wife are missing from the 1871 census, perhaps because he was then still a serving soldier, but in 1881 and 1891 he and his wife and "daughter" were at 5 Sidney Street, Salford Lancs. Grateful for any information you can provide, Paul ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List, About 12 months ago, before I had a rest from genealogy, there was a member of this list called Mike. He had wonderful maps and lots of local knowledge. (Presently living in ?Canada or somewhere else USA) He was a great help to lots of people including myself. I just wonder if he is still subscribed. I have recently borrowed a CD (old map) and am having a nightmare placing the portion of map sent to me by Mike! It has made me realise (even more) how time consuming it must have been for him to look up numerous streets (no indexing on these maps!!) If Mike is still out there - I only want his expert opinion - not a look-up! Any one else an expert on Hulme around 1890 ? Gratefully hoping, Pat W

Hi Jean For Israel & Eliza OLIVE nee BUXTON I only have John Henry OLIVE born abt 1851 For John & Elizabeth OLIVE nee DRURY the children's names are as follows - Elijah born abt 1872 Emily born abt 1873 George born abt 1875 Francis born abt 1877 Sarah born abt 1879 I was hoping to find if what happened to Israel & Eliza and if John had any siblings Many thanks for your timeMariaNSW, Aus> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:02:29 +0100> From: jean.thatcher@btinternet.com> To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] OLIVE & BUXTON> > Hi Maria, > > Have you got the children's names> > There are a few Olive's born in Manchester but not all from the same family.> For example I have a Alice Sep Quarter 1873 and a Ann Dec Quarter 1873> Obvisously not the same family but if I knew the names it would help> Jean> > Maria Thomas <mnmthomas@hotmail.com> wrote:> > Hi list> I am trying to find any info on Israel OLIVE & Eliza Dorah BUXTON.> They married 1849 in Manchester, Lancashire (from Free BDM).> Their is one son John Henry OLIVE born abt 1851 in Manchester. John married Elizabeth DRURY in 1871 in Manchester. The family (+ 5 children) came to Australia in 1879. John was noted as a Sizer of Cotton on the shipping list.> > I have not been able to trace the family via FreeCen.> > Any help on finding information or if their were any siblings would be appreciated.> > Maria> NSW, Aus> _________________________________________________________________> Are you paid what you're worth? Find out: SEEK Salary Centre> http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcareer%2Dresources%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Asc%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endtext_salary&_m=EXT> > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~> > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list.> Other people can learn from them!> > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~> > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list.> Other people can learn from them!> > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Be part of history. Take part in Australia's first e-mail archive with Email Australia. http://emailaustralia.ninemsn.com.au

Hello list members, My grandmother's foster father, George W. Heywood was a Quartermaster Sergeant discharged from the Royal Engineers at Portsmouth on 17/10/1876 after 21 years service. His service record says he intended to reside after discharge at 60 Sackville Street, Manchester. Can anyone please tell me who was living there at 1871 census time and who was there ten years later. GWH was married in 1864 at Southwark Surrey. He and his wife are missing from the 1871 census, perhaps because he was then still a serving soldier, but in 1881 and 1891 he and his wife and "daughter" were at 5 Sidney Street, Salford Lancs. Grateful for any information you can provide, Paul

Hello , I'm new to this list and hoping someone can help me please.I'm researching William Broadley b abt 1835 married Mary Ann Wright b abt 1842 I believe in Manchester. They married in 1860 at the Cathedral,Manchester . They had issue William b 1867,Samuel 1873 and Frederick 1880. There seems to be large gaps between these children, so I'm assuming there may have been other issue. A possibilty is a Joseph and a George. I believe Samuel married Amy Alice Robinson and William married Mary Ellen Whalen. Is there any body that knows anything about this family I would be very grateful to hear from them . many Thanks Cheri Greenlaw West Aust

Is anyone researching this name? My great grandfather was born in Gorton (William Lunn) and immigrated to Canada leaving behind all his family, I would love to contact another LUNN researcher. Anna arrolfam@ihug.co.nz New Zealand

Hi Maria, I found some old mesages (June 2004) regarding Israel and Elizabeth OLIVE farming with a son, George and his wife Ella in Minnesota during the 1880 American census. I was wondering if you were able to confirm if this was the correct family? Were you able to order the 1849 marriage certificate? Should have Isreal's father's name; perhaps it was John and the family did emigrate to the US... hth David

Hi Maria, Have you got the children's names There are a few Olive's born in Manchester but not all from the same family. For example I have a Alice Sep Quarter 1873 and a Ann Dec Quarter 1873 Obvisously not the same family but if I knew the names it would help Jean Maria Thomas <mnmthomas@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi list I am trying to find any info on Israel OLIVE & Eliza Dorah BUXTON. They married 1849 in Manchester, Lancashire (from Free BDM). Their is one son John Henry OLIVE born abt 1851 in Manchester. John married Elizabeth DRURY in 1871 in Manchester. The family (+ 5 children) came to Australia in 1879. John was noted as a Sizer of Cotton on the shipping list. I have not been able to trace the family via FreeCen. Any help on finding information or if their were any siblings would be appreciated. Maria NSW, Aus _________________________________________________________________ Are you paid what you're worth? Find out: SEEK Salary Centre http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcareer%2Dresources%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Asc%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endtext_salary&_m=EXT ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sandra, I started to check for Gervase WRENCH which proved to be a bit tricky, but I think I may have found a link for the wife of James WRENCH (Mary BEVINGTON) - You mentioned that James was listed as a baker etc on various census. I think the clue is in the 1861 UK Census (Ancestry.com Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1934; Folio: 86; Page: 14; GSU roll: 542890) I noticed the name of BEBBINGTON and then did a google search for BEVINGTON and the following came up in the archives of RootsWeb - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BEVINGTON/2006-01/1137011363. (Are you the Sandra in this archived email ??) 1861 UK Census details Name: John Beck (head of household) Occupation: potter Age: 49 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Hannah Gender: Male Where born: Hanley, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Shelton Ecclesiastical parish: Shelton Town: Hanley County/Island: Staffordshire Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent Sub registration district: Shelton Household Members: Name Age John Beck, (Head) 49, Potter Hannah Beck, (wife) 48, (? ms Bebbington / Bevington) Josiah Bebbington, (brother in law) 50, Occupation: Potter (Bebbington / Bevington) James Wrench, (brother in law) 55, Occupation: Baker Mary Wrench, (sister in law), 55 (sister of Josiah and Hannah) I also found further information on the following web site regarding the BEVINGTONS and other potters http://www.thepotteries.org/allpotters/indexb.htm I hope this is helpful and not a 'red herring'. Kind regards, Diane Sydney NSW Australia -----Original Message----- Subject: [ENG-MAN] Gervase and James Wrench My question is does anyone know if he was of the same family as James Wrench of Manchester. Also described as baker/shopkeeper etc. on census and directory. What I really am trying to find is the father of James wife Mary Bevington born Stoke area 1806. I have tried every approach I can think of and am now clutching at straws !!! Regards Sandra

From: anzaks@gmail.com Subject HUTCHINSON / PRICE / BUTTERTON Date: 13th. June, 2008 A New Zealand List subscriber is trying to trace relatives of a Susannah HUTCHINSON, nee PRICE, ( Niece of Martha Jane PRICE, nee BUTTERTON ) Susannah's last known address during the year 1919 was 21, Irwell Terrace Warth Field Fold, Bury. Widow of James Edward HUTCHINSON, For further information, please acknowledge.

Many thanks for your reply Diane, You are right I am the same Sandra !! I have been researching the Bevington groups off and on for many years but have come to a halt regarding the same people as mentioned in the rootsweb archiver. The Ann refered to was the mother of James Wrenches wife. My interest is who was the father. Some of the registers in Stoke were destroyed in the Chartist riots and there are no other records to cover this period. So as you see 'clutching at straws'.................... Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shorland3" <shorland3@optusnet.com.au> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com>; <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Gervase and James Wrench > Hi Sandra, > > I started to check for Gervase WRENCH which proved to be a bit tricky, but > I > think I may have found a link for the wife of James WRENCH (Mary > BEVINGTON) > - You mentioned that James was listed as a baker etc on various census. I > think the clue is in the 1861 UK Census (Ancestry.com Source Citation: > Class: RG9; Piece: 1934; Folio: 86; Page: 14; GSU roll: 542890) > > I noticed the name of BEBBINGTON and then did a google search for > BEVINGTON > and the following came up in the archives of RootsWeb - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BEVINGTON/2006-01/1137011363. > (Are you the Sandra in this archived email ??) > > 1861 UK Census details > Name: John Beck (head of household) Occupation: potter > Age: 49 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812 > Relation: Head > Spouse's Name: Hannah > Gender: Male > Where born: Hanley, Staffordshire, England > Civil Parish: Shelton > Ecclesiastical parish: Shelton > Town: Hanley > County/Island: Staffordshire > Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent > Sub registration district: Shelton > Household Members: > Name Age > John Beck, (Head) 49, Potter > Hannah Beck, (wife) 48, (? ms Bebbington / Bevington) > Josiah Bebbington, (brother in law) 50, Occupation: Potter (Bebbington / > Bevington) > James Wrench, (brother in law) 55, Occupation: Baker > Mary Wrench, (sister in law), 55 (sister of Josiah and Hannah) > > I also found further information on the following web site regarding the > BEVINGTONS and other potters > http://www.thepotteries.org/allpotters/indexb.htm > > I hope this is helpful and not a 'red herring'. > > Kind regards, > Diane > Sydney NSW > Australia > > -----Original Message----- > > Subject: [ENG-MAN] Gervase and James Wrench > > My question is does anyone know if he was of the same family as James > Wrench > of Manchester. Also described as baker/shopkeeper etc. on census and > directory. > > What I really am trying to find is the father of James wife Mary Bevington > born Stoke area 1806. I have tried every approach I can think of and am > now > clutching at straws !!! > Regards > Sandra > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > No virus found in this incoming message > Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (4.0.0.26 - 10.077.007). > http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ No virus found in this outgoing message Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (4.0.0.26 - 10.077.007). http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/

Hi list I am trying to find any info on Israel OLIVE & Eliza Dorah BUXTON. They married 1849 in Manchester, Lancashire (from Free BDM). Their is one son John Henry OLIVE born abt 1851 in Manchester. John married Elizabeth DRURY in 1871 in Manchester. The family (+ 5 children) came to Australia in 1879. John was noted as a Sizer of Cotton on the shipping list. I have not been able to trace the family via FreeCen. Any help on finding information or if their were any siblings would be appreciated. Maria NSW, Aus _________________________________________________________________ Are you paid what you're worth? Find out: SEEK Salary Centre http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcareer%2Dresources%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Asc%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endtext_salary&_m=EXT

My apologies to fellow listers if you receive this email twice, not sure if it went through the first time. Hi Simon, Hope this is what you were looking for, I found the following on Ancestry.com - Name Sarah Settree Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Hannah Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England Household Members: Name Age William Gardner 21 Hannah Settree 44 Jesse Settree 12 John Settree 2 Mary Settree 18 Sarah Settree 21 William Settree 46 William Settree 9 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2229; Folio: 139; Page: 4; GSU roll: 87240-87241. Kind Regards, Diane Sydney NSW -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Simon Jerram Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2008 4:23 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] Look-up Settree