Hi Listers, As I said before, thanks to help from people on this list I have been able to find all of the c.1870's street locations for the WALTON family in Hulme that I have been researching, plus a couple of the glassworks that they will have been associated with. So thanks again for that. In return for the help, I should like to share with you the poignant story about the family which lived in Stafford Street, immediately below the Barracks near Cornbook in 1871, one of the streets you helped me with. In 1871 Thomas WALTON and his wife Jane lived at number 12 Stafford Street with their five young children, the youngest of which was only a few months old. He was a glassmaker from a large family of glassmakers and manufacturers. Sometime in 1873 he was invited to take up a contract to help the Japanese build their first Western- style glassworks near modern Tokyo (at a time when Japan had been open to the rest of the world for less than 20 years and still was more or less feudal) as part of a big push within Japan to modernize their country and their industry. He travelled out before Jane and the children, probably to find accommodation for them, then early in 1875 they followed. But tragedy struck for en route they were lost at sea in a monsoon. I don't know yet whether the entire ship went down or if somehow just a few people were drowned but that was the end of Thomas's family. He remained in Japan to see out his four year contract, 1874-78, and remarkably managed to start a new family back in Newton-le-Willows in the 1880s, producing even more children than by his first wife! He was in partnership with one of his brothers, a manufacturer of flint glass in that town, just a few miles to the west of Manchester. I hope to write a book about this British-Japanese glassmaking project, for my great grandfather James SPEED was the man chosen to follow on from Thomas's work in Japan. James had worked closely with the WALTONs in earlier years in Scotland. If anyone can help me identify some of the glassworks of Manchester or Lancashire in the 1870s and 1880s (there were several WALTON glassmakers and glass manufacturers in the area) I would be delighted to hear from them. So far I have found the "Medlock Street Glass Works" on the 1840s map, which I know one of the WALTONs operated, and have found the glassworks off City Road on an 1890s map, opposite the entrance to Russell Street, which might or might not be relevant to the WALTONs. But that's all in Hulme so far. From other addresses within the family it is possible they were associated with works in the Newton/Prestwich area, in Ancoats, and in Salford, anywhere between 1843 and 1900. Any help with any glassworks in Manchester would be appreciated. If you spot one, let me know, or if you have a glassmaker in your family, let me know! Regards to all Sally in Yorkshire

Hi Sally Would you by any chance have a realative called Ernest or Ernie. He would have been born around the 1907 era and worked as a sheet metal or copper worker in Stretford. Dorothy

Forwarded with the kind permission of the author. Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike spencer" <mikedecc9@sky.com> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:29 PM Subject: [DBY] TADDINGTON BURIALS 1859 > Hi list, > a few more from Taddington. > > TADDINGTON BURIALS 1859 > > 5 Mar 1859 Hannah TOWNSEND Cressbrook 54 > 20 Mar 1859 Martha BAGSHAW Greengate ,Salford, Manchester 79 > 4 May 1859 Hannah BAGSHAW Brushfield 14 > 3 Jul 1859 William DICKEN Tideswell 3 > 25 Sep 1859 James SELLARS Cressbrook inf > 14 Oct 1859 Robert DAKIN Taddington 68 > 3 Nov 1859 Grace WRIGHT Blackwell 77 > 7 Dec 1859 William ROBINSON Litton Mill inf > > mike > -- > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Anne Do you have anymore details on Samuel? At the moment I'm failing to find Rose or her children. I'm assuming you have the marriage certificate of Rose and Samuel, does it give Samuels age and father? Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne C" <annecwinfield@ntlworld.com> To: "Manchester List" <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Rose RODGERS > Hello Listers > > I am still trying to find out more information about my elusive great > great grandma Rose RODGERS. > > Here are the details I have, so far: > > Rose RODGERS b c1861 where? d/o John RODGERS and ? > > On the 25.7.1885 her son (my great grandfather) William Rodgers HUTTON was > born in Salford. Father: Samuel HUTTON > > On the 25.9.1887 her daughter Letitia RODGERS was born in Pendleton, > Salford. Father: Samuel HUTTON > > Rose RODGERS m Samuel HUTTON 21.7.1893 in Salford. At the time of > marriage Rose was living at 26 Enys Street > > Samuel HUTTON died 9.12.1900 > > In 1901 Rose is living in Leeds with her son William and daughter Letitia > > So to summarise I would like to know: > > 1. When and where was Rose RODGERS born? > 2. Why can't I find Rose and her children on the 1891 census? > 3. Why would Rose and her children have left Lancashire for Leeds? > > Sorry for the long winded email. > > Any help/information will be gratefully received. > > TIA > > Anne Winfield in Leeds > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Maggie Do you have any dates? places? Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "shawfamilytree" <shawfamilytree@iinet.net.au> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 9:42 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Lookups offered on ancestry > If this offer is still open could I have a look up for the following > persons > > FOULDS Frederick > GREENWOOD Mary > FOULDS John Herbert > MACCARTHY Maud > MANN William W > WOODCOCK Maud > > Many thanks in anticipation > > Maggi > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.2/1523 - Release Date: 28/06/2008 > 7:00 AM > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks, First, thanks to Mike's kindness, I now have Stafford Street, Hulme. I am replying separately to you Mike! Secondly, on reading what I posted last night about my search for River Place, I see that I may have been a bit misleading in the way I wrote it. I said > I was just asking for help with Stafford Street, and said I needed to > ask about another street which was eluding me. But I have found it, > thanks! > > Just for the record, it was tucked in between City Road and the River > Medlock, at the back of the Glass Works off Medlock Street. Handy > because the WALTON family member in River Place was a glassmaker. > > I had thought it was "River Road" which didn't seem to exist but then > on checking the census page more carefully I found in fact it was > "River Place", with "Pl." looking a bit like "Rd." at first glance. and of course when I said "I have found it" I was referring to River Place, not Stafford Street. So "it was tucked in between...." refers to River Place. Just to clear it up. Sally

Hi I will help some people by looking up people on ancestry.co.uk and am happy if you contact me by bowen.searching@ntlworld.com. Shelagh

Hi again folks, I was just asking for help with Stafford Street, and said I needed to ask about another street which was eluding me. But I have found it, thanks! Just for the record, it was tucked in between City Road and the River Medlock, at the back of the Glass Works off Medlock Street. Handy because the WALTON family member in River Place was a glassmaker. I had thought it was "River Road" which didn't seem to exist but then on checking the census page more carefully I found in fact it was "River Place", with "Pl." looking a bit like "Rd." at first glance. BTW, thanks to all for your interesting messages which I read every day. Sally

Just wondering if these were the correct images I sent off list? Pat

Hi folks, This is really addressed to Mike, in the hope that he can help me find a street please! But if someone else can help, great. In pursuit of several addresses for WALTONs who were glassmakers in Hulme from about 1860 to about 1880, I have made a list of up to a dozen streets from censuses where they appear. I am glad to say that with the help of someone on the list I have found the majority of them, but one is eluding me. In 1871 Thomas Walton Jnr was living with his family at 12 Stafford Street Hulme, a glassmaker. Looking at the Enumerator's Description notes for the district, I see that Stafford Street was somewhere between Chester Road, the River Irwell and the Cornbrook. Maps I have either don't cover that part or else the streets were built between 1858 (the latest dated map I have) and 1871. I notice that the Enumerator mentions the Derbyshire Glass Works in that district, which is very interesting to me indeed, for I had previous concluded that Thomas would be working for his uncle who owned the glassworks off Medlock Street at the time, but if the Derbyshire works were operating in 1871 at that location, the perhaps I should revise my thinking. If Mike or anyone could send me a scan of the right bit from a map of the period I would be delighted, as I would like to see the Derbyshire Glass works. I have another question but will post it separately... Many thanks indeed! Sally

Stafford street is to the north of the Cavalry Barracks in Hulme it runs in a northly direction from Chester road. I will send you this map section from 1894. There was no Stafford street in 1849. But in 1849 there was a Medlock street glass works near River street and Place. This map section is also included. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Haden" <haden.sally@googlemail.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 4:24 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] 12 Stafford Street and the Derbyshire Glassworks in Hulme > > In 1871 Thomas Walton Jnr was living with his family at 12 Stafford > Street Hulme, a glassmaker. Looking at the Enumerator's Description > notes for the district, I see that Stafford Street was somewhere > between Chester Road, the River Irwell and the Cornbrook. Maps I > have either don't cover that part or else the streets were built > between 1858 (the latest dated map I have) and 1871. > > I notice that the Enumerator mentions the Derbyshire Glass Works in > that district, which is very interesting to me indeed, for I had > previous concluded that Thomas would be working for his uncle who > owned the glassworks off Medlock Street at the time, but if the > Derbyshire works were operating in 1871 at that location, the perhaps > I should revise my thinking. <snipped>

Thank you Patrica. If you have time,I really would appreciate it kind regards Kath --- On Sun, 29/6/08, patricia williams <pat.williams121@virgin.net> wrote: > From: patricia williams <pat.williams121@virgin.net> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] central library manchester cathedral christening look upplease > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, 29 June, 2008, 5:52 PM > I'm going in the morning Kath - I've printed off > your request > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kathryn Hale > To: Eng-Manchester-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:46 AM > Subject: [ENG-MAN] central library manchester cathedral > christening look > upplease > Hi everyone, > could I ask a huge favour if there is anyone going to > central library could > they please look up a christening manchester cathedral for > me, > Thank you, > Kath > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the > list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html

I'm going in the morning Kath - I've printed off your request Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathryn Hale To: Eng-Manchester-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:46 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] central library manchester cathedral christening look upplease Hi everyone, could I ask a huge favour if there is anyone going to central library could they please look up a christening manchester cathedral for me, Thank you, Kath

If this offer is still open could I have a look up for the following persons FOULDS Frederick GREENWOOD Mary FOULDS John Herbert MACCARTHY Maud MANN William W WOODCOCK Maud Many thanks in anticipation Maggi No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.2/1523 - Release Date: 28/06/2008 7:00 AM

Hi Jane, Don't know if they are my family as I don't know anything about them. I have Joseph's indenture dates & the ship he came out on which states his parents were Joseph & Mary (ha ha). We do not know where he was born. but it also states his father was dead when he left in January of 1841, his mother re married in 1842 which states she was single? she married a Richard Wilde in the Manchester Cath. But I really appreciate your looking them up. Thanks a lot. Glenys in West Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: <arcmikmum@talktalk.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Lookups offered on ancestry - PEAK > Hi Glenys > > I think I've found the family in 1841 - 1871 minus Joesph W unfortunately. > The later census returns are including the surnames Heir, Welch, > Williamson, > Is this the right family? I'll look again for Joseph W. > > 1841 England Census 1841 England Census > Name: Joseph Peak > Age: 40 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 > Gender: Male > > Civil Parish: Manchester > Hundred: Salford > County/Island: Lancashire > Country: England > > Registration district: Manchester > Sub registration district: Ancoats > Neighbors: View others on page > Household Members: Name Age > Jane Faley 10 > Joseph Peak 40 > Mary Peak 40 > Mary Peak 15 > Ann Wolstencroft 15 > James Wolstencroft 55 > Jane Wolstencroft 13 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenys Woosnam" <granny.woo@bigpond.com> > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Lookups offered on ancestry - OLIVE > > >> Hi Jane, >> was wondering if you could look up a name for me PLEASE. >> I am trying to find the birth of a JOSEPH WINSTANLEY PEAK/PEAKE/PEEK born >> 6/4/1821? >> his mother was MARY PEAK. >> he has his father listed as JOSEPH but cannot find birth , marriage . >> THANK YOU. >> Glenys in West Aust. > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi everyone, could I ask a huge favour if there is anyone going to central library could they please look up a christening manchester cathedral for me, I would like to know if there is any other info on the christening record of ;- JOB WOOD B1834 ( FROM MARRIAGE CERTIFICATR ) CHRISTENED 14 JANUARY 1838 MANCHESTER CATHEDRAL FATHER JAMES WOOD MOTHER SUSANNAH batch C097897 source 0438173 printout 6900001 fiche 65 Thank you, Kath in a very wet Wales !!! __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html

Woops, sorry - hadn't filled in the subject line for my response to Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Prince To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 4:05 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] (no subject) <snip>If anyone is going to be in Central Library in the near future, I'd be very grateful if they'd check for the baptism of John Valentine at St Mary's Eccles in 1670 (possibly December). It would be on microfilm MFPR166. I'm looking for the date<snip>

Hi Adrian, I've printed out your request and HOPE to get there next week. Thanks for the microfilm number .. that will save valuable time. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Prince To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 4:05 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] (no subject) If anyone is going to be in Central Library in the near future, I'd be very grateful if they'd check for the baptism of John Valentine at St Mary's Eccles in 1670 (possibly December). It would be on microfilm MFPR166. I'm looking for the date of baptism, father's name and, if shown, description and residence of father. Thanks in advance Adrian Prince

----- Original Message ----- From: <arcmikmum@talktalk.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Lookups offered on ancestry - HOLDING > Hi Elsie > > I'm not having much luck yet, there's lots of Robert Holding's out there! > Can you give me details of the children you know so I can work back a > little. I'm still trying to find Tamar in 1841. > > Jane :o) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elsie Hemming" <ehemming@tadaust.org.au> > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 2:27 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Lookups offered on ancestry > > >> Dear Jane, I accept your offer with gratitude. I can find nothing >> about >> my g.grandfather, Robert Holding (Holden) who was married to my >> g.grandmother Tamar Wroe) who died in 1845 in Eccles, Lancs. The >> children >> lived with their married sister Mary Millward in a Naismyth foundry house >> in >> Patricroft. Tamar was born in 1801 >> Robert seems to have flown the coop before his wife's death but I can >> find >> no trace of him. His name is shown on my grandfather's wedding >> certificate >> as father of the groom but whether this means he was alive then, I do >> not >> know. >> Any light you can throw on this puzzle would be much appreciated. Elsie >> Hemming >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Maria Thomas" <mnmthomas@hotmail.com> >> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 8:53 AM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Lookups offered on ancestry >> >> >>> >>> Hi Jane >>> Sorry, but I have absolutely nothing on Israel & Eliza other than their >>> names. >>> I am just starting the foray into English certificates and are still >>> awaiting them. >>> Family stories go that they may have gone to Canada or America. >>> >>> Just wondering if they turn up in 1851, 1861 and maybe 1871 Census >>> MariaNSW, Aus >>>> From: arcmikmum@talktalk.net> To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Date: >>>> Thu, >>>> 26 Jun 2008 23:26:48 +0100> Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Lookups offered on >>>> ancestry> > Hi Maria> > do you have a year of birth for Israel and >>>> Eliza?> > Jane :o)> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maria >>>> Thomas" >>>> <mnmthomas@hotmail.com>> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com>> Sent: >>>> Thursday, June 26, 2008 11:17 PM> Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Lookups >>>> offered >>>> on ancestry> > > >> > Hi Jane> > Many thanks for your offer, if you >>>> could >>>> please check for the following > > family - maybe then I can work out >>>> where they went :-)> >> > Israel & Eliza Dora OLIVE (nee BUXTON) m1849 >>>> at >>>> Manchester (awaiting the > > cert).> > Son - John Henry OLIVE b1850 at >>>> Manchester (another cert) m1871 to Eliza > > DRURY - this family with >>>> children arrived in Aust 1879.> >> > So I am trying to work out what >>>> happened to Israel & Eliza and if John had > > siblings.> >> > Many >>>> thanks againMariaNSW, Aus> >> >> >> >> From: arcmikmum@talktalk.net! >>> > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, > >> 26 Jun 2008 23:10:58 >>> > +0100> Subject: [ENG-MAN] Lookups offered on > >> ancestry> > Hi All> >>> > > >>> > While I'm waiting on certificates! 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Pat, Thanks for that. Hope to hear from you some time. I'm hoping that John's father was also John (gent, of Bencliffe Hall). Adrian ----- Original Message ---- From: patricia williams <pat.williams121@virgin.net> To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 29 June, 2008 4:35:53 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] (no subject) Hi Adrian, I've printed out your request and HOPE to get there next week. Thanks for the microfilm number .. that will save valuable time. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Prince To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 4:05 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] (no subject) If anyone is going to be in Central Library in the near future, I'd be very grateful if they'd check for the baptism of John Valentine at St Mary's Eccles in 1670 (possibly December). It would be on microfilm MFPR166. I'm looking for the date of baptism, father's name and, if shown, description and residence of father. Thanks in advance Adrian Prince ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7..com.au/mail