Is anyone searching the Sidebotham surname? I am looking for information on a Hannah Sidebotham/Sidebottom b. c. 1804, Manchester, who married William Rothwell b. c. 1803, Manchester. They are my 2X Great Grandparents. Betty Canada

This is a great list. Thank you for the help I have received. Going away for a while so I need to unsubscribe because there is such a lot of action on this list! My computer won't cope on its own. Cheers, Kathryn

Hi again Vanda, The link will take you to a web site of researchers. I've looked at their cost, and they insist on a minumum of 2 hours worth. Even though you know exactly what you want, I think it would take over an hour anyway....including the photocopying. It really is time consuming looking at the microfilms and sometimes, not everything is in the chronological order you would expect. The photocopying of film isn't as straight forward as normal photocopies either. http://www.mancestry.co.uk/ I don't know anyone who has used this facility.......but with a bit of luck, SKS may do a look up for free. I would gladly do it for you, but I don't expect to get back there for possibly months. I used a researcher I found on the web to get my Grandfathers war records from the National Archives and it was worth every penny to me. However, that's a bit different to collecting Baptism entries which don't give much useful information (most of the time) I think they may not be able to help with the Buriels though. Anyhow, fingers crossed, Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: andrew-vanda@tiscali.co.uk To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Horrocks Hi everybody, Pat very kindly pointed me in the direction of the local Studies Library at Manchester to find the baptisms I'm after for my Horrocks family. The library will do one look up for you if you have the exact date, church, name etc. which is brilliant of them as I understand their resources must be stretched. I'm not sure they would like me writing several letters all asking for a different baptism? As I have 7 baptisms with exact dates etc. & 2 burials all at the same church I thought it might be worthwhile enlisting the help of researcher who could look these up for me. I have no idea where to start looking for such a person or what it would cost. My funds are limited so could anyone recommend such a person please. Thank you for reading this message, any help is really appreciated, best wishes Vanda

Thank you for your response Shirl, much appreciated Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirl" <shs201@cfl.rr.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com>; "MANCHESTER Message Board" <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] PRINCE > Sandra, it is most likely that Elizabeth died in childbirth. I have one > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandra Geddes 1" <sandrageddes@aanet.com.au> > > >>I have discovered the death for Elizabeth PRINCE on the GRO Indexes Jul >>Aug >>Sep Qtr 1849 Manchester Vol 20 page 938 above this entry is one for Eliza >>PRINCE also Vol 20 page 938 my question, is this likely to be the same >>person, is it unusual for the entry to be recorded twice? I wondered if >>she >>may have died in child birth and the child also deceased named Eliza, but >>Elizabeth had a daughter also named Elizabeth born 1845 who survived, if >>Elizabeth was also known as Eliza would this warrant a 2nd entry? I am in >>the process of approaching Manchester County Record office for the death >>certificate of Elizabeth but this could take some time and I wondered if I >>should apply for both certificates and hope the family will arrange for an >>extra Christmas present??? >> Your opinions would be greatly appreciated >> Sandra in Vic Aus >> >> >> >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >> >> Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >> Other people can learn from them! >> >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1537 - Release Date: 7/6/2008 > 5:26 AM > > >

My friend has started a petition on the 10 Downing St web site to get the 1911-1931 censuses released early, would you like to sign it. Here is a link: _http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Censuses-Release/_ (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Censuses-Release/)

Hello Winifred, If you try www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk You can trace your names free, you only have to pay if you find the correct name,whoever the kind person is that is looking up for people must be using thier own credits unless there is something in the Manchester Central Library. Jean      ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Shirley, I will be going to Gorton Cemetery tomorrow, I live very close. If you contact Blakely Crematorium with a name and date, they are very helpful at giving you any details which you would need, plot number etc. They helped me to find my baby sisters place of burial in a communal grave a couple of years back. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "patricia williams" <pat.williams121@virgin.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] ARDWICK MANCHESTER > > Hi Shirley, > I'm no expert, but I know that many who died in the Ardwick area, were > laid > to rest at Gorton Cemetery. This is still open. > > There was also a cemetery in Ardwick which is now closed and at St > Thomas - > links below > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Ardwick/ArdwickCemetery.shtml > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Ardwick/StThomas.shtml > > http://www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=1064 > > > >

Hi everybody, Pat very kindly pointed me in the direction of the local Studies Library at Manchester to find the baptisms I'm after for my Horrocks family. The library will do one look up for you if you have the exact date, church, name etc. which is brilliant of them as I understand their resources must be stretched. I'm not sure they would like me writing several letters all asking for a different baptism? As I have 7 baptisms with exact dates etc. & 2 burials all at the same church I thought it might be worthwhile enlisting the help of researcher who could look these up for me. I have no idea where to start looking for such a person or what it would cost. My funds are limited so could anyone recommend such a person please. Thank you for reading this message, any help is really appreciated, best wishes Vanda >----Original Message---- >From: pat.williams121@virgin.net >Date: 07/07/2008 23:45 >To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> >Subj: Re: [ENG-MAN] Horrocks > > >Hi Vanda, >I am not aware of anything on-line, but Manchester Central Library sometimes >offers a look-up service. I don't know at what cost. (See link) >Below that,is the information re the microfilm that holds the relevent info. > >http://www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php? categoryID=448&documentID=522&pageNumber=5 > > >Clayton- St Cross >Baptisms-1857-1918- MFPR 1315 >Baptisms-1918-1966- MFPR 1316 >Burials-1874-1953- MFPR 1320 >Marriages-1874-1920- MFPR 1317 >Marriages-1920-1941- MFPR 1318 >Marriages-1941-1961- MFPR 1319 >Marriages-1961-1971- MFPR 1320 > >Pat W > >----- Original Message ----- >From: andrew-vanda@tiscali.co.uk >To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com >Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:19 PM >Subject: [ENG-MAN] Horrocks > > ><snip> Is there a way of someone who lives in the South of England to look >at >the records of St Cross Church, Clayton? Or would I have to make a >trip to the Manchester Local Studies Library? Can you buy fiches or is >there anything online?<snip> > > > > > >~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > >Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >Other people can learn from them! > >~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > __________________________________________________________ Free games for a wet weekend - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play __________________________________________________________

----- Original Message ----- From: "Winifred Johns" <watkin@alphalink.com.au> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Cc: <k.wharton4@ntlworld.com>; "Winifred Johns" <watkin@alphalink.com.au> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:57 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Phillips Park Look up offer: Richard WATKIN / WADKIN; Elizabeth ROBERTS > If there is a name index to Phillips Park burials, and the cemetery was > operating during the following periods, please would you check: > Richard WATKIN or WADKIN, d. Manchester 1805-1911; and > Elizabeth ROBERTS [previously married 1803 above Richard WATKIN; 1812 > married Richard ROBERTS; both marriages in Manchester Cathedral parish] , > who died in Manchester between 24 Dec 1824 [birth of last child] and 29 > Sep 1825 [recollection of son James in 1875] > > Thanking you in anticipation > Winifred Johns

Another large cemetery a short distance south west of Ardwick green was Rusholme road. Also try St Josephs in Moston and Philips Park cemetery which is east of Miles Platting. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley Carter" <shirley.carter9243@att.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:25 AM > I'm no expert, but I know that many who died in the Ardwick area, were > laid > to rest at Gorton Cemetery. <snip>

If there is a name index to Phillips Park burials, and the cemetery was operating during the following periods, please would you check: Richard WATKIN or WADKIN, d. Manchester 1805-1911; and Elizabeth ROBERTS [previously.1803 above Richard WATKIN; 1812 m. Richard ROBERTS; both marriages in Manchester Cathedral parish] , who died in Manchester between 24 Dec 1824 [birth of last child] and 29 Sep 1825 [recollection of son James in 1875] Thanking you in anticipation Winifred Johns

Hi Pat, Thank you so much for the information you sent about the Manchester Studies Library. I really do appreciate it. I will have a read at their website and see what I can do. I have been given the childrens dates of birth by a family member so I am hoping to find baptisms for them. Thank you again, best wishes Vanda >----Original Message---- >From: pat.williams121@virgin.net >Date: 07/07/2008 23:45 >To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> >Subj: Re: [ENG-MAN] Horrocks > > >Hi Vanda, >I am not aware of anything on-line, but Manchester Central Library sometimes >offers a look-up service. I don't know at what cost. (See link) >Below that,is the information re the microfilm that holds the relevent info. > >http://www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php? categoryID=448&documentID=522&pageNumber=5 > > >Clayton- St Cross >Baptisms-1857-1918- MFPR 1315 >Baptisms-1918-1966- MFPR 1316 >Burials-1874-1953- MFPR 1320 >Marriages-1874-1920- MFPR 1317 >Marriages-1920-1941- MFPR 1318 >Marriages-1941-1961- MFPR 1319 >Marriages-1961-1971- MFPR 1320 > >Pat W > >----- Original Message ----- >From: andrew-vanda@tiscali.co.uk >To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com >Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:19 PM >Subject: [ENG-MAN] Horrocks > > ><snip> Is there a way of someone who lives in the South of England to look >at >the records of St Cross Church, Clayton? Or would I have to make a >trip to the Manchester Local Studies Library? Can you buy fiches or is >there anything online?<snip> > > > > > >~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > >Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >Other people can learn from them! > >~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > __________________________________________________________ Free games for a wet weekend - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play __________________________________________________________

Hi Diane in Sydney! Thank you so much for your help. This has to be our Henry Barker although he appears to have strayed from his birth place. We are in Perth, WA, so you have helped a fellow "Aussie". Regards Ann -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Shorland3 Sent: Monday, 7 July 2008 8:15 PM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HENRY BARKER Hi Ann, This is the first Henry BARKER listed for the 1841 census in Ancestry.com with the information you provided - Name: Henry Barker Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798 Gender: Male Where born: Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Whalley Hundred: Blackburn (Higher Division) County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: East Gate Occupation: Lime Burner Registration district: Burnley Sub registration district: Burnley Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Barker 40 Henry Barker 43 Mary Thornton 9 Thomas Thornton 11 I hope this is your Henry? Kind Regards, Diane SYSNEY NSW -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Barker Sent: Monday, 7 July 2008 9:38 PM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] HENRY BARKER Dear Listers, Would some kind person with access to Ancestry please look up an entry for me? 1841 England Census Name: Henry Barker DOB: 1798 - Lancashire England Residence: Lancashire England I would appreciate it greatly. Regards Ann ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.6/1539 - Release Date: 7/7/2008 6:35 PM

Dear Kathryn Thank you so much for your help in this matter. I think this has to be our Henry Barker although he must have remarried. It would appear that his wife, as shown on the census, Berry had children from a previous marriage ie Thomas and Mary Ann Thornton. I will work on this angle. Many thanks for using your access to Ancestry. I will be joining later in the year when I will have time to focus on genealogy and hope to help out others with 'look ups'. Regards Ann -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Courtney, Kathryn Sent: Monday, 7 July 2008 8:31 PM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HENRY BARKER Also worth noting, there is a transcription error below. Mary Ann Watson is actually Mary Ann Thornton. ________________________________ From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Courtney, Kathryn Sent: Mon 7/7/2008 7:26 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HENRY BARKER Hello Ann, If the Henry on 1841 census below is yours, you might be interested to know he is also living in the same town in 1851, but lists his birthplace differently. Here is the info from the 1851 census. I'll send images off-list. Henry Barker Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Betty Gender: Male Where born: Burgy, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Whalley Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: Burnley County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 20 Surf Street Occupation: formerly Lime Burner Registration district: Burnley Sub registration district: Burnley Household Members: Betty Barker 52 Henry Barker 52 Thomas Sellers 20 Thomas Thornton 21 Mary Ann Watson 19 Nancy Watson 21 Kathryn Courtney -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Shorland3 Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 7:15 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HENRY BARKER Hi Ann, This is the first Henry BARKER listed for the 1841 census in Ancestry.com with the information you provided - Name: Henry Barker Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798 Gender: Male Where born: Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Whalley Hundred: Blackburn (Higher Division) County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: East Gate Occupation: Lime Burner Registration district: Burnley Sub registration district: Burnley Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Barker 40 Henry Barker 43 Mary Thornton 9 Thomas Thornton 11 I hope this is your Henry? Kind Regards, Diane SYSNEY NSW -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Barker Sent: Monday, 7 July 2008 9:38 PM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] HENRY BARKER Dear Listers, Would some kind person with access to Ancestry please look up an entry for me? 1841 England Census Name: Henry Barker DOB: 1798 - Lancashire England Residence: Lancashire England I would appreciate it greatly. Regards Ann ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.6/1539 - Release Date: 7/7/2008 6:35 PM

OH, THANK YOU I will get back into my genealogy and look up more...I've printed it and also saved it to the computer... patricia williams <pat.williams121@virgin.net> wrote: Hi Shirley, I'm no expert, but I know that many who died in the Ardwick area, were laid to rest at Gorton Cemetery. This is still open. There was also a cemetery in Ardwick which is now closed and at St Thomas - links below http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Ardwick/ArdwickCemetery.shtml http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Ardwick/StThomas.shtml http://www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=1064 If you cross reference the dates you are searching with the dates of closure of 2 of the above, you will hopefully find the most likely cemeteries. Not all records are yet on-line though, but Blackley Cemetery has the records for Gorton. (Ardwick Cemetery's records are at Manchester Central Library - not sure about St Thomas' but you may find the answer on the Genuki site) Good luck, Pat W ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Carter To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] ARDWICK MANCHESTER I need to look up cemetaries, as I have aunts and uncles buried there from the 1890's, but I'm going to have to get back into my genealogy to give you particulars...Would you know about cemetaries? Thanks for responding Shirley in Texas patricia williams wrote: Hi Shirley and Barb, I lived in Ardwick from about 1949 until 1965 (from ages 2yrs to 18yrs.) What sort of info are you looking for? Pat W ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Vanda, I am not aware of anything on-line, but Manchester Central Library sometimes offers a look-up service. I don't know at what cost. (See link) Below that,is the information re the microfilm that holds the relevent info. http://www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?categoryID=448&documentID=522&pageNumber=5 Clayton- St Cross Baptisms-1857-1918- MFPR 1315 Baptisms-1918-1966- MFPR 1316 Burials-1874-1953- MFPR 1320 Marriages-1874-1920- MFPR 1317 Marriages-1920-1941- MFPR 1318 Marriages-1941-1961- MFPR 1319 Marriages-1961-1971- MFPR 1320 Pat W ----- Original Message ----- From: andrew-vanda@tiscali.co.uk To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Horrocks <snip> Is there a way of someone who lives in the South of England to look at the records of St Cross Church, Clayton? Or would I have to make a trip to the Manchester Local Studies Library? Can you buy fiches or is there anything online?<snip>

Hi Shirley, I'm no expert, but I know that many who died in the Ardwick area, were laid to rest at Gorton Cemetery. This is still open. There was also a cemetery in Ardwick which is now closed and at St Thomas - links below http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Ardwick/ArdwickCemetery.shtml http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Ardwick/StThomas.shtml http://www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=1064 If you cross reference the dates you are searching with the dates of closure of 2 of the above, you will hopefully find the most likely cemeteries. Not all records are yet on-line though, but Blackley Cemetery has the records for Gorton. (Ardwick Cemetery's records are at Manchester Central Library - not sure about St Thomas' but you may find the answer on the Genuki site) Good luck, Pat W ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Carter To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] ARDWICK MANCHESTER I need to look up cemetaries, as I have aunts and uncles buried there from the 1890's, but I'm going to have to get back into my genealogy to give you particulars...Would you know about cemetaries? Thanks for responding Shirley in Texas patricia williams <pat.williams121@virgin.net> wrote: Hi Shirley and Barb, I lived in Ardwick from about 1949 until 1965 (from ages 2yrs to 18yrs.) What sort of info are you looking for? Pat W

Hi Shirley - no sorry, all I can tell you is that when we visited back in 1997 the area of Apsley Grove, Ardwick was pretty derelict and the only "old" building still there was The Apsley Cottage pub. It was wonderful to visit Manchester Cathedral though having known of family marriages and baptisms which took place there so long ago. However I'm sure there are plenty of Mancunians who can pass on more up-to-date information. Barb in Queensland > 4. Re: BENT family - Ardwick area of Manchester (Shirley Carter) > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 03:55:34 -0700 (PDT) > From: Shirley Carter <shirley.carter9243@att.net> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] BENT family - Ardwick area of Manchester > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <695867.84491.qm@web82905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I read your note with interest, because of the Ardwick area of > Manchester...I don't have any Bent's but have AUSTIN, and I'll have to > look up the wife's name.. > > But do you have any info on the area itself? > > Thanks, > > Shirley in Texas

Hi Noel, My turn to butt in, as I think Mike is in Toronto but I am in Greater Manchester. Manchester has changed a lot since the Bomb blast a few years ago, and I know the Shambles moved slightly. If you follow this link, all is revealed! http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.mcdonagh1/old%20shambles.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Noel Luke To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Location of Smithy Door and Old Shambles Mike, is the Old Shambles that you refer to below the same location for the Shambles Pub today? Noel Luke Phoenix, AZ

Hi Ann, This is the first Henry BARKER listed for the 1841 census in Ancestry.com with the information you provided - Name: Henry Barker Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798 Gender: Male Where born: Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Whalley Hundred: Blackburn (Higher Division) County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: East Gate Occupation: Lime Burner Registration district: Burnley Sub registration district: Burnley Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Barker 40 Henry Barker 43 Mary Thornton 9 Thomas Thornton 11 I hope this is your Henry? Kind Regards, Diane SYSNEY NSW -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Barker Sent: Monday, 7 July 2008 9:38 PM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] HENRY BARKER Dear Listers, Would some kind person with access to Ancestry please look up an entry for me? 1841 England Census Name: Henry Barker DOB: 1798 - Lancashire England Residence: Lancashire England I would appreciate it greatly. Regards Ann