Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:01 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] The cost of a Birth certificate Vanda asked "Please would SKS tell me the cost of a birth certificate as I would like to buy one from the Manchester Register Office." I know there have been various replies to this question but might I make several comments based on my experience. In the early days of my research, I sent cheques (one per certificate, plus a stamped addressed envelope) to the local offices. The staff tended to be very helpful even 'phoning on occasion to clarify the request, or telling me that I had applied to the wrong office, but they would pass my letter on, or that I'd addressed the cheque to the wrong person! However, in those days, the certificate would be handwritten. The information was correct*. (see below) Then I received a photocopy of my G Grandparents marriage from Hull - and saw their signatures! Lump in the throat time. This local office had invested in photocopying facilities as they regarded it as a more efficient method of responding to requests. Now we have 2 options: Apply to the local office IF they accept requests - some don't due to staff cutbacks meaning they have to concentrate on applications for the living;-) This costs £7 plus the sae. Some records are photocopied, others handwritten. Apply to Southport online via the website, which still costs £7 and no need for a 2nd stamped addressed envelope, so slightly cheaper. You DO need a credit card of course. Southport photocopy the actual entry and send it out quite quickly. I've spoken to staff at Southport on the telephone and they have always been helpful. Re * above. I mistakenly applied to Southport for a marriage certificate that I later realised I had already received as a handwritten copy. However, the photocopy contained 2 witness signatures rather than the one on the handwritten copy! The 2nd signature was a vital clue as it turned out.... So 'yer pays yer money and takes yer choice'.... Regards, Ruth in Brum (Birmingham, England)

Right Steve, The online website ordering of certificates from GRO has worked very well for me, from Canada. Ellen Alberta, Canada -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Steve Bamford Sent: July 11, 2008 6:30 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] The cost of a Birth certificate > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:01:31 +0100 (GMT+01:00) > From: "andrew-vanda@tiscali.co.uk" <andrew-vanda@tiscali.co.uk> > Subject: [ENG-MAN] The cost of a Birth certificate > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <13190631.1215723691831.JavaMail.root@ps27> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" > > Hi list, > > Please would SKS tell me the cost of a birth certificate as I would > like to buy one from the Manchester Register Office. Thank you in > advance ~ Vanda > I find the easiest way to order them is online from the GRO, where they still cost the same (£7) - www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates Steve ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1546 - Release Date: 7/11/2008 6:47 AM

Hi Jackie If you search the name TOWHEY at _www.historicaldirectories.org_ (http://www.historicaldirectories.org) you will find entries for the name in both the 1895 and 1911 directories. 1895 Frederick TOWHEY, a musician, is living at 8 Boundary Street, H. and David TOWEY, warehouseman, is living at 29 Taylor Strret, Bury New Road, HB 1911 Frederick TOWHEY, draper, living at 615 Oldham Road, NH and David TOWAY, householder, 29 Taylor Street, Oldham Road You will also be able to check the other directories that were published at that time in which your ancestors do NOT appear. This may help you to get a time frame for them. If you're not familiar with the directories website its well worth spending a bit of time experimenting with it. You can glean so much information and can put your ancestors in context - I just love it! Just two tips. When searching for a person, search on the surname first - then add a letter if you wish. And remember that the info in the directories will be at least a year old by the time they reached publication. Hope this helps and that I'm not trying to teach you to suck eggs. Best Ruth

We think my great grandparents had a Drapers Shop 615 Oldham Road NH. We have no idea of the name of the shop. The information apparently came from Manchester and Salford Directory 1911, if anyone has access to these directory's, could they please do a 'Look Up' for me and try to establish how long they had the shop for. Their names were Frederick William Lovely or Loval Towhey Ellen Towhey. We know that there were at least 3 children that survived, my grandmother Mary Ellen, Thomas Harold (died age 20 1910) and Ada. There was a Frederick junior who died infancy in Brighton but there is a possibility that twins were born to Ellen and Frederick. I have the family on census until 1901 but after that there are lots of gaps. Regards Jackie

Hello Vanda, I would check it out with their website www.manchester.gov.uk, think you can only get it for £7 if you are going in person to get it. Regards Mavis ----- Original Message ----- From: <andrew-vanda@tiscali.co.uk> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:01 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] The cost of a Birth certificate > Hi list, > > Please would SKS tell me the cost of a birth certificate as I would > like to buy one from the Manchester Register Office. Thank you in > advance ~ Vanda > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Free games for a wet weekend - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play > __________________________________________________________ > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Brilliant, thanks Val I will :O) >----Original Message---- >From: alicia.taylor1@ntlworld.com >Date: 10/07/2008 22:14 >To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> >Subj: Re: [ENG-MAN] The cost of a Birth certificate > >Don't forget to include a stamped addressed envelope when you place your >order. they really appreciate that. > >Good luck! > >Val > >andrew-vanda@tiscali.co.uk wrote: >> Thank you :O) >> >> >> > > > >~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > >Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >Other people can learn from them! > >~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > __________________________________________________________ Free games for a wet weekend - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play __________________________________________________________

Don't forget to include a stamped addressed envelope when you place your order. they really appreciate that. Good luck! Val andrew-vanda@tiscali.co.uk wrote: > Thank you :O) > > >

Thank you :O) >----Original Message---- >From: ron_hamilton@talktalk.net >Date: 09/07/2008 23:04 >To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> >Subj: Re: [ENG-MAN] The cost of a Birth certificate > >£7. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <andrew-vanda@tiscali.co.uk> >To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:01 PM >Subject: [ENG-MAN] The cost of a Birth certificate > > >> Hi list, >> >> Please would SKS tell me the cost of a birth certificate as I would >> like to buy one from the Manchester Register Office. Thank you in >> advance ~ Vanda >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> >> Free games for a wet weekend - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play >> __________________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >> >> Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >> Other people can learn from them! >> >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > >~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > >Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >Other people can learn from them! > >~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > __________________________________________________________ Free games for a wet weekend - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play __________________________________________________________

Charles Page had a furniture business in 264 Stretford Road, Hulme and 25 Drake Street I believe it was a double fronted corner property - so one premises with two addresses. I know that Charles Page died in 1911 - I would like to know if the business continued after his death (he had 10 children - one of them may have continued). James Page was the son of Charles - he moved to Stockport and had a business at 35 Junction Road he was a cabinet maker - I would like to know how long he was in business there and is it possible to tell if he was ever in partnership with anyone - possibly his brother Walter. Another family member felt James may have been in business in Cheadle at some point also. James was born in 1876 Hulme Manchester. Any information on theses two relatives would be appreciated. Thanks Chris

Hi list, Please would SKS tell me the cost of a birth certificate as I would like to buy one from the Manchester Register Office. Thank you in advance ~ Vanda __________________________________________________________ Free games for a wet weekend - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play __________________________________________________________

Hi Trish, I am not researching any of the names you have listed,but if you would like to post the names and details of the people you are having trouble with,the people on this list are great at finding the "missing link" Gilly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Whitmore" <tysh9@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:07 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Huddlestone Dent Gardner > > Dear listers, > > I am new to the list and wonder if anyone else is researching the same > family. I am researching the Huddlestone family that moved to Lower > Broughton in Salford in !871 from Sheffield previously Lincs and Notts .. > > Also the Dents (from Burnley) who lived in Ancoates, Manchester 1817 - > 1840's and then Gardners from Chapel St Salford and Rainsough in1860's > Esther Gardner nee Bartram was born in Middlesex 1825c. > > Trish > > > __________________________________________________________ > Not happy with your email address?. > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available > now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ted, Have I got this right -- the father was 73yrs old when his child was born? http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/bmdemail.htm This link is to a web site that used to give advice re certificates. Several of the pages are now "not found" but the site still seems to be functional for e-mail queries. I'm sure someone here could answer your query though! If you are not already on the Lancs-gen list, then I can recommend it! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Thomas To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 1:26 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] : A Birth Query. Hello ! Manchester, I have a Birth certificate of a Ancestor born Birkenhead, Cheshire, 1902.which although, shows the father's first <snip> I am wondering whether there is anyone who can please, tell me whether the Registry Office, would hold a consequent record, of a document which, would under the above circumstances contain a specimen of the father's signature, or mark of a cross, of authenticity that may hopefully, enable me to hold a candle to, that which should appear on his original 1876 marriage certificate. Kind regards to all, Ted (New Zealand)

That's strange. I've had mine via post and they have only charged me £7. Dorothy

I looked up Chandos road and it appears to be in the Whalley Range area. I wonder why it was listed as Chorlton cum Hardy ?, this ran from the north across Wilbraham Road. This was not far from Alexander Park and Alexander road. He could have caught the bus to get to the office. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Marshall" <carolemarshall@netscape.ca> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 3:01 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] 1929 Manchester directory > Thank you Kathleen for the info in the 1929 Manchester directory re my > grandfather and his business. I shall put these two items away for > visiting when I get to Manchester next April. It is interesting to note > that he was living at 26 Chandos Rd S when he died in 1944 so he lived > there quite a while. Thanks again. Carole > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Kathleen for the info in the 1929 Manchester directory re my grandfather and his business. I shall put these two items away for visiting when I get to Manchester next April. It is interesting to note that he was living at 26 Chandos Rd S when he died in 1944 so he lived there quite a while. Thanks again. Carole

Hi Carole, From the 1929 Manchester directory : ATTERTON,Cecil Herbt.,tailor,[Atterton & Whyte],26 Chandos rd South, C cum H [Chorlton cum Hardy] TN [telephone no]- C cum H 1,422 ATTERTON & WHYTE,tailors,16 Mosley st TN - 2,398 City There are pics of both Mosley st and Chandos rd South in the local image collection of M/c Central library : http://www.images.manchester.gov.uk/ Cheers Kath

Another large addition! - 10 July 2008 > Replaced existing birth entries for Chorley RD with new entries > including mother's maiden name, comprising: Brindle/Withnell > (1837-1900). This results in a small increase in the number of index > entries. > > Added 8,458 marriages for Burnley RD comprising: Burnley, Ebenezer > Chapel (Colne Rd) (1909-1957); Burnley, Aenon Chapel (Red Lion St) > (1899-1987); Old Laund Booth, Methodist Chapel (Wheatley Lane) > (1925-1987); Old Laund Booth, Inghamite Church (Wheatley Lane) > (1944-1983); Earby, Mount Zion (1920-1946); Brierfield, Methodist > Chapel (Colne Rd) (1908-1959); Nelson, Central Methodist Church (Carr > Rd) (1908-1952); Burnley, United Reform Church (1915-1972); Burnley, > Towneley Methodist Church (1912-1963); Colne, Baptist Chapel (East > Parade) (1928-1958); Hapton, Methodist Chapel (1912-1955); Brierfield, > Congregational Church (Colne Rd) (1914-1984); Barrowford, Higherford > Methodist Church (1908-1951); Colne, Methodist Mission Scholl > (Langroyd Rd) (1910-1974); Padiham, Trinity Methodist Church (Cross > Bank) (1910-1959); Burnley, Methodist Chapel (Colne Rd) (1903-1969); > Burnley, Central Methodist Church (Hargreaves St) (1932-1955); Colne, > St John's Methodist Church (Albert Rd) (1900-1952); Nelson, Baptist > Church (Carr Rd) (1928-1972); Colne, Ebenezer Chapel (Skipton Rd) > Closed Church (1902-1958); Colne, Methodist School Chapel (Collingwood > St) Closed Church (1910-1959); Colne, Inghamite Church (Ludgate > Circus) Closed Church (1910-1947); Colne, The Methodist Chapel > (Bunkers Hill Closed Church (1936-1960); Barrowford, Zion Chapel > (Church St) Closed Church (1903-1955); Padiham, Horeb Congregation > Church (Victoria Rd) Closed Church (1900-1927); Padiham, Methodist > Chapel (Church St) Closed Church (1911-1952); Higham, Methodist Chapel > Closed Church (1906-1954); Nelson, Bradley Hall Methodist Chapel > (Leeds Rd) Closed Church (1908-1959) > > Added 3,092 marriages for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn, St John > (1965-1974); Blackburn, St Peter (1970-1973); Blackburn, St Stephen > (1981-2000); Blackburn, Church of the Saviour (1983-1994); Darwen, St > Barnabas (1977-1988); Darwen, St Cuthbert (1980-1995); Belmont, St > Peter (1980-2007); Fenicliffe, St Francis (1984-1992); Feniscowles, > Immanuel (1977-2007); Hoddlesden, St Paul (1981-1991); Darwen, St > Peter (formerly Holy Trinity) (1979-1991); Tockholes, St Stephen > (1978-1993); Witton, St Mark (1979-1989); Blackburn, St Aidan > (1980-1993); Blackburn, St James (1974-1987); Darwen Register Office > or Registrar Attended (1937-1944) > > Added 4,001 deaths for Hyndburn RD comprising: Oswaldtwistle (1837-1857) > > Added 15,997 deaths for Blackburn RD comprising Blackburn Northern > (1885-1899) > > Added 2,998 deaths for Bury RD comprising: Bury North (1843-1849); > Bury South (1841-1842); Holcombe (1837-1841) > > Added 18,475 deaths for Preston RD comprising: Preston (1859-1866) > Many thanks to all involved!

From: anzaks@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, July 10th. 2008 Subject: A Birth Query. Hello ! Manchester, I have a Birth certificate of a Ancestor born Birkenhead, Cheshire, 1902.which although, shows the father's first given name as being correct in accordance with a fair amount of intensive family research records, etc. the Child's father, chose to use the Child's unmarried mother's surname, (born, 1872) rather than that of his own of whom, he as the father, was born c1829. 22 years later, my Ancestor married at the age of 24, (his mother still unwed) the information entered on his marriage certificate shows his father's first name differs completely to that on his birth certificate. As I have a reliable source of information which may help to identity this 1902 father, of whom, was married in Salford, Lancashire,1876.who died in Birkenhead, 1905. I am wondering whether there is anyone who can please, tell me whether the Registry Office, would hold a consequent record, of a document which, would under the above circumstances contain a specimen of the father's signature, or mark of a cross, of authenticity that may hopefully, enable me to hold a candle to, that which should appear on his original 1876 marriage certificate. Kind regards to all, Ted (New Zealand)

Not for discussion on list, but just in case you haven't heard . . . . From the FFHS: > GRO (General Register Office) digitisation plans appear to have stalled. > > In the August edition of Ancestors magazine published by The National > Archives (TNA) it is reported that 'The digitisation of Britain's most > important set of national family history records…has hit the > buffers…and there is currently no timetable to restart the project.' > > The report states that the main contractor for the project, Siemens IT > Solutions and Services Ltd, has pulled out. With parts of the project > named DOVE, MAGPIE and EAGLE it is tempting to think of the whole > planning exercise as having been bird brained. > > James Hall, the new Registrar General and Chief Executive of the > Identity and Passport Service (IPS), is expecting an emergency > internal strategic review to report its findings by the end of September. > > This latest development only adds to the frustration caused by the > withdrawal of the old ledgers from the Family Records Centre before > any suitable alternative was available. There is a statutory > requirement for public access to a complete set of the indexes of > Births, Marriages and Deaths. It appears that the GRO is going to rely > on its provision of microfiche copies to fulfil this obligation for > the foreseeable future. Sets are available at Greater Manchester > County Record Office, Birmingham Central Library, Bridgend Reference > and Information Library, Plymouth Central Library, and City of > Westminster Archives Centre as well as The National Archives. > Read the rest at http://www.ffhs.org.uk/news/news080703.php

Hi Jackie, Thanks for the extra info.................you've got a job on there!!! (as if you didn't know). All I can add, is that I got my Grandfather's WW1 records in 2 ways. 1) I believed he was a Royal Marine and enlisted a researcher to find him..cost abt. £15 last year. The only info I had was his name, place of birth = Manchester and possible year of birth! (I got the researcher from the National Archives site) 2) I trawled the web via Google, and found a Forum for WW1. As a result, I was informed that the Fleet Air Museum had firther records, and these were sent free of charge!! I feel honoured to be so lucky!! I had searched for over a year though! I wish you well. Pat W ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Fw: Brennan/McElhinney family history <snip> I probably haven't explained things very well, the details Kathryn sent are from my father death registration, I registered his death. I have my parents wedding cert and Dad's Irish School Records. I've managed to trace the descendants from his Irish birth family, unfortunately they knew nothing of my father, he was a well kept family secret. At the time of my fathers birth, his very young unmarried mother should have been in boarding school (Catholic Convent) in England (Berwick on Tweed) but she obviously wasn't, the school didn't have but a mother and baby unit attached to it. As far as I can make out her parents must have been supportive to her.The parents were Irish travelling variety artist based in Ireland. I have not been able to track down where his mother gave birth to him. There is a possibility that it could have been America. She did make several trips to America before finally settling there in 1929. My father appears to have been left in Ireland with his grandfather and very soon afterwards left with the McElhinney family. The family left Ireland in 1938/9, my father would have be 13 or 14 yrs old at the time. Going by this I should imagine he was 'called up' to join the Army at the age 18 or 19 yrs (approx 1943/4) it's where he was living at that time that I'm trying to find out so that I can get his Army records which might give me more clues.. <snip>