Heather et al That was the convention as that was the way that streets were built except for those using a grid system as favoured by American towns. It is the natural progression for a town's development. A further convention was that odd numbers were always on the left hand side going away from the town centre. The town where I live is a relic from Regency times and is a true example. Before it became a Royal favourite, it was just a hamlet, then sulphur springs were discovered,, wells constructed and wealthy people flocked to build houses. Names like Montpellier Spa and Pittville Pump Room exist today. Terry Heath Cheltenham UK

Hi Terry, You could try following: Go to 1841 census search page and enter:- Residence: Derbyshire Page# : 42 Click Search This will give you a list of people who are enumerated on pages 42 in different parts of Derbyshire (204 persons total!). You'll need to check the Residence column to find the nearest place to Michleover, Shardlow, possibly a neighbouring Parish. It might help to sub. to the Derbyshire List - someone with local knowledge may have a Parish Boundary Map. Also there is a Rootsweb Mailing List "UK-Romani" - http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Ethnic-Romani/UK-ROMANI.html Happy hunting, Regards, Madalyn > ----- Original Message -----<snip> > From: "terry" <terry4197@optusnet.com.au> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 3:00 AM > >> I found a Moses Boswell on the 1841census in Derbyshire using ( >> Ancestry.com.UK). On the census page there are a family of Boswell >> Gypsies, >> most of the family members are listed as (name not Known). However at >> either >> side of the page is an entry; (gypsies on page 42) & (entered in error). >> Using Ancestry.com I can only proceed from this page to page 19. Does any >> one know how I can get to page 42? >> >> 1841 Census, HO 107 /189/11 , Derbyshire, Parish Mickleover, page >> 3. >> Moses Boswell age 55, DOB abt 1786. >

Hello Patricia I keep seeing your name on the list and wondered if you were any relation to Ruth FRANCIS of Kirkaldy previously Manchester. She is a cousin of mine and in turn is looking for her cousin Patricia WILLIAMS a nurse of Manchester. They lost touch when she left Manchester some years' ago. Kind regards Lorita Paisley ----- Original Message ----- From: "patricia williams" <pat.williams121@virgin.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com>; "David Wightmore" <dvdwmore@telus.net> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Ruby Street, Hulme > > Thank you so much David, for the map and information. > That is fantastic! I appreciate your search very much. Now I can continue > trying to piece "things" together. > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Wightmore > To: pat.williams121@virgin.net > Cc: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 2:04 AM > Subject: Ruby Street, Hulme > > > Hi Patricia, > > If you start at the junction of Stretford New Road and Renshaw Street and > travel south down Renshaw to Booth Street East, the next Street south (and > parallel to Booth) is a very short Ruby street, which runs between Renshaw > and Boundary Lane. It appears that the north side of Ruby had perhaps 10 > houses, and there is a lumber yard at the east end of the south side of > Ruby. The rest of the street and the street name (small and italic) are > off > the bottom edge of my map. This section of an 1844 map is attached. > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That's brilliant Mike, many thanks! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Morris To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Hulme area. Chester road numbers A map I have of Hulme dated 1849 says that #1 Chester road started at Knot Mill. 103 was Bradshaw street, 115 was York street. 227 was Barrack street 271 was King street which ran south in the Cavalry Barracks Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada

Hello Does anyone have a connection with WILLIAM SHEPHERD born around 1799/1800 Hulme and his brother JAMES SHEPHERD born around 1805, Hulme. They were both joiners and both the children of GEORGE SHEPHERD, a shoemaker of Hulme. Can anyone tell me which churches were around in Hulme and adjacent Manchester at this time where I may be able to locate their baptisms? Are there any online resources about boot and shoe making in Lancashire in th 1800s that anyone is aware of? Finally, does anyone have any maps of the Hulme area from the 1800s which they may have scanned and would be happy to share and email? Many thanks Rob

Does anyone know if there are any street directories that are available for during the 2nd.World War years? I'm trying to discover who was living at 15 Shakespeare Street Chorlton on Medlock. Regards Jackie.

Hi Ruth, May thanks for this...It's fabulous, I'm going to check through the directories this evening. I've never been able to find any other family connections to Frederick other than his wife and children. I have them on the census records from 1881 and their marriage in 1879.On the cert it looks like Frederick's father was name James and a Station Master. It's really strange to find them in a drapers because Frederick and wife were musicians and also they sold musical instruments Frederick was blind. I'm a little excited about David Towey and although the name is spelt differently there could be a possibility of them being related. Would be fantastic if they were it might lead to finding Frederick's parentage and siblings. I have all the info back to the late 1700's on Frederick's wife Ellen Pattingale but Frederick is an enigma, on one census it states Frederick born 1856 was born in Dublin and on another Woolwich Kent, it's definitely the same Frederick. Once again, many thanks. Wouldn't research be difficult with the help of other researcher? Kindest regards Jackie. ----- Original Message ----- From: <RuthGenda@aol.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] TOWHEY and historical directories website > Hi Jackie > > If you search the name TOWHEY at > > _www.historicaldirectories.org_ (http://www.historicaldirectories.org) > > you will find entries for the name in both the 1895 and 1911 directories. > > 1895 Frederick TOWHEY, a musician, is living at 8 Boundary Street, H. > and David TOWEY, warehouseman, is living at 29 Taylor Strret, Bury New > Road, > HB > > 1911 Frederick TOWHEY, draper, living at 615 Oldham Road, NH > and David TOWAY, householder, 29 Taylor Street, Oldham Road > > You will also be able to check the other directories that were published > at > that time in which your ancestors do NOT appear. This may help you to > get a > time frame for them. > > If you're not familiar with the directories website its well worth > spending > a bit of time experimenting with it. You can glean so much information > and > can put your ancestors in context - I just love it! > > Just two tips. When searching for a person, search on the surname > first - > then add a letter if you wish. And remember that the info in the > directories > will be at least a year old by the time they reached publication. > > Hope this helps and that I'm not trying to teach you to suck eggs. > > Best > Ruth > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1546 - Release Date: 7/11/2008 > 6:47 AM > >

G'day Oh wise one's, For a few years now I have been trying to find out if a family of Boswell's on my wife's side are connected to the Gypsy Boswells. Family rumours say there is a connection but it is very difficult to make that vital connection. I found a Moses Boswell on the 1841census in Derbyshire using ( Ancestry.com.UK). On the census page there are a family of Boswell Gypsies, most of the family members are listed as (name not Known). However at either side of the page is an entry; (gypsies on page 42) & (entered in error). Using Ancestry.com I can only proceed from this page to page 19. Does any one know how I can get to page 42? 1841 Census, HO 107 /189/11 , Derbyshire, Parish Mickleover, page 3. Moses Boswell age 55, DOB abt 1786. Any suggestions very welcome. All the best, Terry Craven

Cheers Kath, Another star! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: kathleen Torrisi To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] re Hulme area <snip> Working from the 1929 M/c directory : RUBY ST,Hulme At 6a Boundary lane to67 Renshaw st Renshaw st is at 45 Stretford rd to 6 Embden st <snip>

Thanks Heather, It does make sense doesn't it? At least another lister thinks so too. I believe you are right, and many thanks for the response. It all helps when trying to decide probable family. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: The Quineys To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Hulme area Morning Pat My Dad was a temporary postman in his youth (quite along time ago now!) but he has always believed that house numbering started at the end of the road closest to the town/city centre. Working on this basis, I would think that #405 was quite a way out of town. I have never looked into my Dad's theory but would be interested if anyone else has heard of this and/or where I can establish whether it is correct or not. Hope this helps, Pat Heather patricia williams wrote: > Also, 405 Chester Road, Hulme. Does anyone know whereabouts this would be > in relation to other streets in Hulme? I don't know at which end numbering > starts - would it be central Manchester end? Any ideas gratefully > accepted. > Pat

Hi Geoff, Many thanks for that information - it is much appreciated. Best wishes, Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Barlow To: pat.williams121@virgin.net Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: Ruby Street <snip> The numbers run out from the city, this is the normal convention, with the even numbers on the right. Regards Geoff Barlow in Whitefield

Thank you so much David, for the map and information. That is fantastic! I appreciate your search very much. Now I can continue trying to piece "things" together. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: David Wightmore To: pat.williams121@virgin.net Cc: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 2:04 AM Subject: Ruby Street, Hulme Hi Patricia, If you start at the junction of Stretford New Road and Renshaw Street and travel south down Renshaw to Booth Street East, the next Street south (and parallel to Booth) is a very short Ruby street, which runs between Renshaw and Boundary Lane. It appears that the north side of Ruby had perhaps 10 houses, and there is a lumber yard at the east end of the south side of Ruby. The rest of the street and the street name (small and italic) are off the bottom edge of my map. This section of an 1844 map is attached.

A map I have of Hulme dated 1849 says that #1 Chester road started at Knot Mill. 103 was Bradshaw street, 115 was York street. 227 was Barrack street 271 was King street which ran south in the Cavalry Barracks Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "patricia williams" <pat.williams121@virgin.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Hulme area > > Thanks Heather, > It does make sense doesn't it? At least another lister thinks so too. I > believe you are right, and many thanks for the response. > It all helps when trying to decide probable family. > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: The Quineys > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 9:56 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Hulme area > > Morning Pat > > My Dad was a temporary postman in his youth (quite along time ago now!) > but he has always believed that house numbering started at the end of > the road closest to the town/city centre. Working on this basis, I > would think that #405 was quite a way out of town. > > I have never looked into my Dad's theory but would be interested if > anyone else has heard of this and/or where I can establish whether it is > correct or not. > > Hope this helps, Pat > Heather > > patricia williams wrote: >> Also, 405 Chester Road, Hulme. Does anyone know whereabouts this would >> be >> in relation to other streets in Hulme? I don't know at which end >> numbering >> starts - would it be central Manchester end? Any ideas gratefully >> accepted. >> Pat > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat, Working from the 1929 M/c directory : RUBY ST,Hulme At 6a Boundary lane to67 Renshaw st Renshaw st is at 45 Stretford rd to 6 Embden st CHESTER RD,Hulme Comes under south-east side, Old Trafford, continuation of Chester rd Deansgate. Numbers start at 367 [No streets between 367-409] Between 409-429 is Northumberland rd & Northumberland Arms Hotel Between 471-473 is Chorlton rd Between 497-499 is Nuttall st At 515a is Stretford rd Manchester Corporation Tramcar office At 589 Boyer st Henshaw's Institute for the blind White City [greyhound assoc ltd] etc Hope this helps !! Cheers Kath

Morning Pat My Dad was a temporary postman in his youth (quite along time ago now!) but he has always believed that house numbering started at the end of the road closest to the town/city centre. Working on this basis, I would think that #405 was quite a way out of town. I have never looked into my Dad's theory but would be interested if anyone else has heard of this and/or where I can establish whether it is correct or not. Hope this helps, Pat Heather patricia williams wrote: > Also, 405 Chester Road, Hulme. Does anyone know whereabouts this would be in relation to other streets in Hulme? I don't know at which end numbering starts - would it be central Manchester end? Any ideas gratefully accepted. > Pat > >

I hesitate to ask this, as Mike usually picks up these queries , and he must be exhausted! I am looking for Ruby Street in Hulme -- I've spent hours looking at old maps on CD's - and also a map that Mike sent ages ago (Cavalry Barracks area) - I cannot find it!! I have to say that Mikes maps are more detailed than mine!! Also, 405 Chester Road, Hulme. Does anyone know whereabouts this would be in relation to other streets in Hulme? I don't know at which end numbering starts - would it be central Manchester end? Any ideas gratefully accepted. Pat

Hi Mike, I think that the Fennel St map might have been for me. Thanks Kath Prince > About a week ago I saved two map sections for list members, they are of > Cheetwood street and Fennel street. I would like to clear them off my > desktop. Would the parties interested in those streets please contact me. > They are both dated around 1844. > > Regards > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > > > >

About a week ago I saved two map sections for list members, they are of Cheetwood street and Fennel street. I would like to clear them off my desktop. Would the parties interested in those streets please contact me. They are both dated around 1844. Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada

> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:01:31 +0100 (GMT+01:00) > From: "andrew-vanda@tiscali.co.uk" <andrew-vanda@tiscali.co.uk> > Subject: [ENG-MAN] The cost of a Birth certificate > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <13190631.1215723691831.JavaMail.root@ps27> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" > > Hi list, > > Please would SKS tell me the cost of a birth certificate as I would > like to buy one from the Manchester Register Office. Thank you in > advance ~ Vanda > I find the easiest way to order them is online from the GRO, where they still cost the same (£7) - www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates Steve

Another question please. I have searched the indexes for the 1861 census a 1000 times (or it seems like it) for William, Jane, George, Sarah & Maria HORROCKS and can't find them anywhere. I have decided to do it the old fashioned way by just look through the census returns one at a time. Needle in a haystack I know. I'm concentrating on Ashton-under-Lyne at the moment. When I've looked at the enumeration districts for Ashton Town they are in numerical order, District 1, District 2 etc. When I look at the enumeration districts for Audenshaw they have letters following them: District 2f View description of enumeration district District 3f View description of enumeration district District 4f View description of enumeration district District 6d View description of enumeration district District 7d View description of enumeration district Is there a reason for this please? Thank you again Vanda __________________________________________________________ Free games for a wet weekend - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play __________________________________________________________