I have sent Sandra a map showing Stott street in 1844. This and the surrounding area was flattened during the war. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Geddes 1" <sandrageddes@aanet.com.au> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:15 AM > Would you have access to maps showing any of the following addresses > please, interested in the years pre 1873 > Greengate Salford & 10 dwelling houses behind same in WOODS Buildings > Backbridge Street Deans Gate Manchester > Gregson street Back (Bad/Lad?) Lane & Woods Buildings near Deans Gate > Manchester > Stotts St Hulme > Manor Street Castlefield Deansgate

Located Manor street in Castlefield in 1844. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Geddes 1" <sandrageddes@aanet.com.au> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:15 AM Would you have access to maps showing any of the following addresses please, interested in the years pre 1873 > Greengate Salford & 10 dwelling houses behind same in WOODS Buildings > Backbridge Street Deans Gate Manchester > Gregson street Back (Bad/Lad?) Lane & Woods Buildings near Deans Gate > Manchester > Stotts St Hulme > Manor Street Castlefield Deansgate <snip>

Does anyone know if there was a Market Street in Hulme around 1839? I have an ancestor dying at Market Street in 1839; his previous known address in 1822 was York Street, Hulme. Thanks Rob

Found Back Bridge street in Deansgate (Notice the spelling?) :)) Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Geddes 1" <sandrageddes@aanet.com.au> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:15 AM> > Would you have access to maps showing any of the following addresses > please, interested in the years pre 1873 > Greengate Salford & 10 dwelling houses behind same in WOODS Buildings > Backbridge Street Deans Gate Manchester <snip>

Sandra I did locate Back Lads Lane, Gregson street and Woods buildings. Will send you thjis map section. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Geddes 1" <sandrageddes@aanet.com.au> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:15 AM > Would you have access to maps showing any of the following addresses > please, interested in the years pre 1873 > Greengate Salford & 10 dwelling houses behind same in WOODS Buildings > Backbridge Street Deans Gate Manchester > Gregson street Back (Bad/Lad?) Lane & Woods Buildings near Deans Gate > Manchester > Stotts St Hulme > Manor Street Castlefield Deansgate <snip>

Many thanks Heather, Am really flying blind on James WOOD, all I have is a mention of him in his Brother in laws William PRINCE'S Will which states that he Wm PRINCE purchased property from the afsignees under the "said James WOOD'S Bankruptcy", these properties were situated in Stott st Hulme. Now there's a thought.... perhaps there may be somewhere to search for when the properties changed hands? Thanks for the London Gazette website, I hadn't managed to find it previously, have been looking through the Directores site though, eventually my brick wall must come tumbling down. Sandra Aus > > Have you tried the London Gazette > (http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/home.aspx?geotype=London)? > > Despite it's apparent location, it would list all brankruptcies across > the country. I have found details of my husband's acestors business > liquidation and they were based in Colne, Lancashire. There are sister > Gazettes for Belfast and Edinburgh. > > > Hope this helps, if not, come back to the list and maybe someone else > can offer another avenue to explore. > Heather > > > > Sandra Geddes 1 wrote: >> Does anybody know if there are papers dealing with Bankruptcy ? I am >> looking for mention of a James WOOD Bankrupt between 1840's - 1879 >> probably in the Manchester area >> Thank you >> Sandra Aus >> > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1549 - Release Date: 7/12/2008 > 4:31 PM > > >

I was looking for Robert Holden (Holding) of Eccles/ I believe someone is looking into that for me Elsie Hemming ----- Original Message ----- From: "lorraine.williams" <lorraine.williams@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Cc: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com>; <eng-lan-wigan@rootsweb.com>; <cheshire@rootsweb.com>; <lancsgen@rootsweb.com>; <eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 3:14 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Mary Ann Holden and James Henry Ellison > Apologies for the multiple posting, but at some time I must have answered > a > query to someone who was searching for Mary Ann HOLDEN and James Henry > ELLISON. I don't know which list this was on - I have tried searching the > archives with no success. > > I would like to get in contact with this person. The reason is that a (79 > year old) great granddaughter of the above has mistakenly contacted me > with > information on the family and I can only think that she came across a > reply > that I might have made to someone. > > Lorraine > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > No virus found in this incoming message > Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (4.0.0.26 - 10.068.014). > http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ No virus found in this outgoing message Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (4.0.0.26 - 10.068.014). http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/

Hulme was not a Market suburb. I think the closest match is Market street that runs fron the west into Piccadilly. On the other hand at the east end of Market street it became Piccadilly. Which is todays Piccadilly Gardens. In them days the whole of the garden area consisted of the Manchester Infirmery and an asylym. Perhaps he might have died in the hospital section? Walk down York street to City road then north east on City road and you will finish up at the Infirmary. Its less than 1/2 hour walk. Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROB SHEPHERD" <robshepherd1974@googlemail.com> To: "eng-manchester-l" <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:19 AM > Does anyone know if there was a Market Street in Hulme around 1839? > > I have an ancestor dying at Market Street in 1839; his previous known > address in 1822 was York Street, Hulme.

I followed Hyde road from its beginnings at the east end of Ardwick Green through several maps till I arrived in Gorton. There was a Church View running from the south a short distance into Hyde road and at the other end of Church View was a Church street. I have sent you the map section its dated 1894. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROB SHEPHERD" <robshepherd1974@googlemail.com> To: "eng-manchester-l" <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 12:35 PM > On the 1865 marriage certificate for an ancestor his place of abode is > given > as Church Street, Hyde Road. Was this in Ardwick? > I know that there was a St. Matthews Church built near Hyde Road in > Ardwick > around this time, but was there a Church Street here, or was it somewhere > else???

Hi Mike Could I please have a copy of the Greengate map too. Thankyou Louise

Hi Jan and folks, > I have walked up North Road, Clayton many times in my life. I lived > on the > Ashton Old Road side, Ashton New Road lay behind it. Both start off in > Manchester City Centre, both end up in Ashton Under Lyne. North > Road starts > off in Clayton and finishes in Newton Heath. If you have a number > to look > for I could go and see if the home is still there for you? I would like to find out where number 230 was, approximately, on Ashton New Road, Beswick (or Newton), Ardwick Ward. That's the census address in 1871. Here's a clue. The next page of the census which includes 231 Ashton New Road, has the "Rectory" on it, where lives the Rector of Beswick parish church. Then comes Christ Church School. I have looked on my Godfrey Edition 1891 (Manchester NE) but I am not sure if it is on there or if it is further out of town. And is there a glassworks anywhere nearby? My WALTON family were glassmakers, spread around Manchester. Any suggestions would be most welcome! Sally in Yorkshire >

Many thanks for your e-mails but please do not spend anymore time looking. I've just heard back from the Army Museum who tell me that the cap was regular issue and as my father was not wearing any badges it would indicate that at the time the pic was taken Dad was a new recruit, therefore it would be impossible to identify any regiment. So sad to think that my father Army Records may be lost forever. Kindest regards Jackie.

Hi All I just spent a whole day on this site. http://access.gale.com/gdctrial/login.html you need to register, but they have British newspapers from 1600 - 1900 online. This is only a trial, so I have no idea how long it'll be available for. I found a death notice for my 4 x gr grandmother Elizabeth JOHNSTON (nee FAIRBAIRN) listed in the Glasgow Herald in Mar 1851, it states: At 20 Stock St, Manchester, on the 21st instant, Elizabeth Fairbairn, relict of Andrew Johnston, Esq, architect. I've got Elizabeth on Stock St in 1841 with her daughter Jesse, and then I have Jesse at the address in 1851, by 1861 Jesse is in Glasgow, Scotland with her sister Elizabeth, but I can still find no Andrew. To add more confusion, when his daughter Margaret married in 1847 Edinburgh, Andrew is down as John, I have from the 1834 Pigots directory for Manchester (thanks to Lynne :o)) John JOHNSTON, architect, 63 King St. So I'm thinking that, that John is actually my Andrew. I know he's stayed in Manchester, because when his daughter Elizabeth died in 1871 (again listed in the Glasgow Herald) it says 'eldest daughter of the late Andrew Johnston, Esq, architect, Manchester'. At this moment in time I don't even know where Andrew was born because I've been unable to find him on any census returns. Him and Elizabeth married in Edinburgh in 1802, they had their 1st child John there, the rest were born in and around London. I have no idea why they ended up in Manchester. What district of Manchester is King St in? I want to try and find no 63 in 1841. Can anyone help me find Andrew (or John)? Jane :o)

Dear Jackie If all else fails and no-one can identify the cap you could email me a description and I will telephone a friend who is an expert on such matters and then get back to you. Regards Annie in Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jackie Sent: Monday, 14 July 2008 11:25 PM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] Army garrison caps. Are any researchers able to identify an Army garrison cap for me? I'm trying to obtain my fathers WW11 Army records but as I've never been able to obtain his birth cert and as I've no idea of the regiment he was with or his service number, the Army Records Office cannot find him. They have been extremely helpful and have looked through their database with no luck...but it's believed Dad lied about his age to enlist. I have a portrait photo of my father in Army Uniform but unfortunately there's not any badges on his uniform. His cap appears very unusual and might identify his unit. As he was living in Manchester, I'm hoping it may have been a regiment attached to Manchester. Regards Jackie jackie005@btclick.com ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1552 - Release Date: 7/14/2008 6:28 PM

Hi Jan, Thank you for that, that is really kind of you. The address given in 1871 is 7 North Road. Am I right in thinking they pulled down the houses on Ashton New Road? I remember my parents talking of some redevelopment work and the house I used to visit as a child, 689 Ashton New Road, was being demolished. Best wishes & thanks again Vanda >----Original Message---- >From: janice.lehmann@ntlworld.com >Date: 14/07/2008 21:50 >To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> >Subj: Re: [ENG-MAN] Clayton > > > >Hi Vanda, >I have walked up North Road, Clayton many times in my life. I lived on the >Ashton Old Road side, Ashton New Road lay behind it. Both start off in >Manchester City Centre, both end up in Ashton Under Lyne. North Road starts >off in Clayton and finishes in Newton Heath. If you have a number to look >for I could go and see if the home is still there for you? >Jan > > >> >> 1871 Census - North Road, Droylesdon >> George Horrocks - Head - M - 29 - Coal Miner - York, York >> Sarah M. Horrocks - Wife - M - 26 - Halifax, York >> Jane Horrocks - Daur - 3 - Scholar - Clayton, Lancashire >> Hannah M. Horrocks - Daur - 1 Clayton, Lancashire >> Maria Horrocks - Sister – 22 - Cotton Winder - Clayton, Lancashire >> > > > > > > >~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > >Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >Other people can learn from them! > >~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________________ 2 for 1 Special Offer on Tiscali SpyGuard to protect your online identity - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/spyguard __________________________________________________________

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Jackie You could email this person J F Mills who has a vast store of cap badges and knowledge tfmills@regiments.org He is located in Denver, Colorado USA. so there is a time lag of about 6 hours. Also see: http://www.regiments.org/ Doing a google search of Yahoo [sacrilege!] shows that there are many Groups involved with British Regiments at: http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=british+regiments Terry Heath Cheltenham UK

Thanks Mike. Mad isn't it, 2 Ruby Streets so close together. Interestingly, they are one either side of Boundary Lane! It proves a point you made in another mail to the list earlier today. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Morris To: pat.williams121@virgin.net Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Ruby street in Manchester My pleasure :)) Cheers Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "patricia williams" <pat.williams121@virgin.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Ruby street in Manchester It was me Mike! Pleased to accept! Thanks, Pat

Hi Vanda, I have walked up North Road, Clayton many times in my life. I lived on the Ashton Old Road side, Ashton New Road lay behind it. Both start off in Manchester City Centre, both end up in Ashton Under Lyne. North Road starts off in Clayton and finishes in Newton Heath. If you have a number to look for I could go and see if the home is still there for you? Jan > > 1871 Census - North Road, Droylesdon > George Horrocks - Head - M - 29 - Coal Miner - York, York > Sarah M. Horrocks - Wife - M - 26 - Halifax, York > Jane Horrocks - Daur - 3 - Scholar - Clayton, Lancashire > Hannah M. Horrocks - Daur - 1 Clayton, Lancashire > Maria Horrocks - Sister – 22 - Cotton Winder - Clayton, Lancashire >

Hi Mike, I wish I could narrow it down. I have the eldest brother in 1861 living in Radcliffe who is married and a possible unmarried sister living a few streets away working as a servant but no other family members in Radcliffe. This is the family in 1841 1841 Census - Merrington, Durham William Horrocks - 25 - Quarryman - born in county - no Jane Horrocks - 20 - born in county - no John Horrocks - 1 - born in county - yes They had 4 other children, George Hunter Horrocks, Sarah Horrocks, Maria Horrocks & James Horrocks John appears in 1861 ... 1861 Census - Blackburn Street, Radcliffe, Lancs John Horrocks - Head - M - 22 - Shoemaker - Yorkshire Rachel Horrocks - Wife - M - 29 - Shoemakers wife - Radcliffe, Lancs & his sister (possibly) is not far away 1861 Census - Water Lane, Radcliffe, Lancashire Living with the Bowker family Sarah Horrocks - Serv - Um - 17 - House Servant - Durham, Sunderland The next time I have the family is when George get's married ... St John's, Hurst, Ashton-under-Lyne - July 24th 1864 - George Hunter Horrocks - 23 - Bachelor - Collier - Hurst - William Horrocks - Labourer & Sarah Smith - 21 - Spinster - Ashton - James Smith - Joiner. I have them in 1871 ... 1871 Census - North Road, Droylesdon George Horrocks - Head - M - 29 - Coal Miner - York, York Sarah M. Horrocks - Wife - M - 26 - Halifax, York Jane Horrocks - Daur - 3 - Scholar - Clayton, Lancashire Hannah M. Horrocks - Daur - 1 Clayton, Lancashire Maria Horrocks - Sister – 22 - Cotton Winder - Clayton, Lancashire The family seem to be in the Clayton area on everything else I have from 1865 onwards. It would make sense to look in the Hurst area as well but I can't find that either in 1861. Any help would be very much appreciated ~ thank you Vanda __________________________________________________________ 2 for 1 Special Offer on Tiscali SpyGuard to protect your online identity - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/spyguard __________________________________________________________