Hi Jane Ive been looking at your Johnston's. I don't have ancestry at the moment, but just wanted to clarify a couple of things. "Relict" - does that mean widow? The only King Street I know in Manchester is actually in Central Manchester...and is still there. It's bound to be on one of the modern street map sites. Have you found a death for Andrew/John? And have you details of the first born son, John? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: arcmikmum@talktalk.net To: Manchester Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Fab site - now a little help is needed! Please. I found a death notice for my 4 x gr grandmother Elizabeth JOHNSTON (nee FAIRBAIRN) listed in the Glasgow Herald in Mar 1851, it states: At 20 Stock St, Manchester, on the 21st instant, Elizabeth Fairbairn, relict of Andrew Johnston, Esq, architect. I've got Elizabeth on Stock St in 1841 with her daughter Jesse, and then I have Jesse at the address in 1851, by 1861 Jesse is in Glasgow, Scotland with her sister Elizabeth, but I can still find no Andrew. To add more confusion, when his daughter Margaret married in 1847 Edinburgh, Andrew is down as John, I have from the 1834 Pigots directory for Manchester (thanks to Lynne :o)) John JOHNSTON, architect, 63 King St. So I'm thinking that, that John is actually my Andrew. I know he's stayed in Manchester, because when his daughter Elizabeth died in 1871 (again listed in the Glasgow Herald) it says 'eldest daughter of the late Andrew Johnston, Esq, architect, Manchester'. At this moment in time I don't even know where Andrew was born because I've been unable to find him on any census returns. Him and Elizabeth married in Edinburgh in 1802, they had their 1st child John there, the rest were born in and around London. I have no idea why they ended up in Manchester. What district of Manchester is King St in? I want to try and find no 63 in 1841. Can anyone help me find Andrew (or John)? Jane :o)

Carole, I have found a Saxby St. and a Taxal St. None appear to be in Chorlton cum Hardy. Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Marshall" <carolemarshall@netscape.ca> To: <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Address on Marriage Certificate >I can hardly read an address on a marriage certificate. It looks like > 11 Taxbay Rd (the 1st letter could also be an S) and I assume it would > be in Chorlton cum Hardy. Is this familiar to anyone? Thanks. Carole > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I can hardly read an address on a marriage certificate. It looks like 11 Taxbay Rd (the 1st letter could also be an S) and I assume it would be in Chorlton cum Hardy. Is this familiar to anyone? Thanks. Carole

Thank You Mike, You are a Gem, Diamond of the first order, can't thank you enough for all the maps, hope I can return the favour sometime Many many thanks Sandra Aus

Thanks Mike. Much appreciated. Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] 1901 census lookup >A number of years after this date I use to work almost across the road from > this area. I can remember a pub and the buildings. But no furniture > manufacturing in 1953. I will send you the map section. It shows Port > street > on the south side of Great Ancoats street. Port street ran to the south > into > Piccadilly Gardens. My family around 1811 and after, had a few homes along > this street and a business. > > Regards > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D. Howland" <howlands@verizon.net> > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 3:08 PM >> "NOTICE is hereby given, that the Partnership hereto- >> fore subsisting between us the undersigned, >> Walter Howland and Ralph Howland, carrying on >> business as Chair Manufacturers and Upholsterers, at >> Denmark-street, High Wycombe, Bucks., at No. 9, >> Emlyn-street, West Derby-road, Liverpool, and at No. >> 90, Great Ancoats-street, Manchester, under the style or >> firm of " R. HOWLAND AND SONS," has been dissolved" >> >> This was news to me as I didn't realize R. Howland and Sons was anywhere >> but >> Wycombe. I have been able to find references to 2 other businesses for >> that >> same address, neither of them R. Howland and Sons. Slater's from 1911 >> lists >> Port Street Warehouse Co. The 1886 version lists William H. Wallworth >> (with >> an additional reference to 76 Port Street). <snip> > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone Just wondering if anyone has heard of or knows where I can find out anything about a business named Ward Bros that was in the Cotton industry in the late 1800s. According to two books written by my some-numbered-Great Uncle John Ward, called Moston Characters at Work and Moston Characters at Play (which by the way we have copies of if anyone wanted me to check something sometime), the owners were two of his brothers. They lived in Moston, Manchester so I imagine the business was there also or somewhere nearby. I must read up those books again and see if it actually says. Thanks in advance. Regards, Delwyn Cockrell _________________________________________________________________ SEEK New Zealand's #1 jobsite http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fmsn%2Eseek%2Eco%2Enz%2FID%5FSEEKNZMAIN%5FUSR%2FPages%2Falliance%5Fhomepage%2Eascx%3FComeFrom%3Dmsnnz%26tracking%3Dsk%3Asptlmini%3Ask%3Amsnnz%3A0%3Awindowslive%3A%231&_t=757263783&_r=Seek_NZ_tagline_no1&_m=EXT

Thanks Kath. I had most of those, but not all. It does lead to discrepancies. I believe George died in 1910, but you have a listing from 1913. And I have one for that address (Henry street) with his daughter Alice listed that is from 1911. Won't it be nice when the 1911 census comes out? I'm guessing noone on this list is researching these Howlands? Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "kathleen Torrisi" <kathleentorrisi@tt360.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] 1901 census lookup > Hi Daryl, > > I'm not sure the following will help but here goes : > > 1895 M/c Directory : > > HOWLAND,George,chair maker,39 Henry st Ancoats > HOWLAND,Russen,chair maker,7 Dale st,Hough lane,Lower Broughton > > 1913 M/c Directory : > > HOWLAND,George,chair maker,39 Henry st,Ancoats, > res : 136 Upper Conran st,Harpurhey > HOWLAND,Russen,greengrocer & fried fish dealer,14 Gt Clowes st,Lower > Broughton > HOWLAN,Ralph Russen,greengrocer,5 Hough lane,Lower Broughton > > 1929 M/c directory : > > HOWLAND,Mrs Alice,beer retailer,159 Oldham rd,Miles Platting > HOWLAND,Ralph Russel,greengrocer,5 Hough lane,Lower Broughton > > > Cheers > Kath > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Darryl: Well, I was looking at the 1903 Slaters on the Historical Directories site. You could try just browsing around Port Street and Great Ancoats Street using the topographical and street directory. The streets are listed alphabetically with Great Ancoats Street under G rather than A. You might find the warehouse that you are looking for. In 1901 your Ralph HOWLAND appears to be in High Wycombe rather than Manchester and indeed, they probably never lived in this area but just ran a business here. You could try a similar technique on a suitable Liverpool directory for Emlyn Street. It might be worth trying for something a bit earlier than 1903, in case it had all gone pear-shaped by then. Good Luck, Irene

Hi Helen, First of all, you need to decide which Church or Churches you want to look at. http://www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?categoryID=448&documentID=464 If you then scroll down the page, you can click on any area and a list of Churches appears. Make a record of the reference numbers of the correct microfilm. If you are able to visit Manchester Central Library yourself, it is then free to look at the microfilm. If you can't visit, I'm afraid you have to rely on some kind soul to do a look up for you - or pay a researcher. Someone on this site has recently been looking into this, and discovered that staff at Mcr Central will do one free look up, but only if you know the exact church and date of baptism/christening. http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexp.html Alternatively, the on-line Parish Clerks are fantastic, and it would be worth looking at the sites to see what they have. I have always found them to be exceptionally helpful whenever I needed to contact them. Good Luck Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: HELEN To: LIST MANCHESTER Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:23 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] CATHOLIC CHURCH CHRISTENINGS Hello List, How would I go about searching for a christening in a Catholic Church in Manchester ? Cheers Helen

Hello Daryl: Using the free Historical Directory site at http://www.historicaldirectories.org, I was able to discover that number 90 was on the west side of Great Ancoats Street on the corner of Port Street. The occupant in 1903 was TIANIS, Carlo, a shopkeeper. Then going to the census in Ancestry, I was able to confirm that he was the occupant in 1901. Since Carlo's name was garbled in one or both of these, I had to use his next door neighbour Walter Fletcher BOYCOTT who was obligingly present for both the census and the directory. Carlo was a street organ hirer and boarding house keeper. Is he the one you want? Regards, Irene

Hello List, How would I go about searching for a christening in a Catholic Church in Manchester ? Cheers Helen

Thank you Pat. Cheers Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "patricia williams" <pat.williams121@virgin.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] CATHOLIC SCHOOLS > > > Hi Helen, > I can't answer your question directly, but if you follow the link below, > it > will take you to Manchester Council's School Records Guide. You have to > download the school list and there are some Roman Catholic Schools. > > http://www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scripts/download_info.php?downloadID=176&fileID=5250 > > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: HELEN > To: LIST MANCHESTER > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:26 PM > Subject: [ENG-MAN] CATHOLIC SCHOOLS > > > Hello List, > Were there many Catholic Schools in Manchester in 1848-58 ? > Are there any records available ? > TIA > Helen > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sally, I bought my copy of bancks's 1800 Directory from the people's museum in manchester. It's not on CD, but in a book. I've not been home for a few years, but I'm sure they had other directories. Could be owrth a phone call to ask what they've got in stock Yvonne in Plymouth -----Original Message----- From: Sally Haden <haden.sally@googlemail.com> To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:29 Subject: [ENG-MAN] Directories to buy? Hi Folks, I am looking for places on the internet to buy CD copies of Manchester directories. I understand that Rod Neep has retired, who used to produce them (Archive CDs) I have searched the List archives but didn't find much. Thank you. Sally in Yorkshire ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

Thanks Irene, Well, it's not what I hoped it would be. Perhaps it would help to give some background. I found a notice in the Gazette in 1905 that says in part, "NOTICE is hereby given, that the Partnership hereto- fore subsisting between us the undersigned, Walter Howland and Ralph Howland, carrying on business as Chair Manufacturers and Upholsterers, at Denmark-street, High Wycombe, Bucks., at No. 9, Emlyn-street, West Derby-road, Liverpool, and at No. 90, Great Ancoats-street, Manchester, under the style or firm of " R. HOWLAND AND SONS," has been dissolved" This was news to me as I didn't realize R. Howland and Sons was anywhere but Wycombe. I have been able to find references to 2 other businesses for that same address, neither of them R. Howland and Sons. Slater's from 1911 lists Port Street Warehouse Co. The 1886 version lists William H. Wallworth (with an additional reference to 76 Port Street). So I was hoping they'd (Howlands) be listed on the 1901 census. Any suggestions would be gratefully received. Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene Marlborough" <imarlb@sbcglobal.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] 1901 census lookup > Hello Daryl: > > Using the free Historical Directory site at > http://www.historicaldirectories.org, I was able to discover that number > 90 > was on the west side of Great Ancoats Street on the corner of Port Street. > The occupant in 1903 was TIANIS, Carlo, a shopkeeper. > > Then going to the census in Ancestry, I was able to confirm that he was > the > occupant in 1901. Since Carlo's name was garbled in one or both of these, > I > had to use his next door neighbour Walter Fletcher BOYCOTT who was > obligingly present for both the census and the directory. > > Carlo was a street organ hirer and boarding house keeper. Is he the one > you > want? > > Regards, Irene > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks, I am looking for places on the internet to buy CD copies of Manchester directories. I understand that Rod Neep has retired, who used to produce them (Archive CDs) I have searched the List archives but didn't find much. Thank you. Sally in Yorkshire

Sally Haden wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I am looking for places on the internet to buy CD copies of >Manchester directories. <snip > > > Take a look at Lancashire family history societies. Many have directories, maps, and all sorts of interesting and useful publications available through their online bookshops. Furness Family History Society: http://www.furnessfhs.co.uk/ Lancashire Family History & Heraldry Society: http://www.lfhhs.org.uk/ Lancaster Family History Group: http://www.lfhg.org/ Lancashire Parish Register Society: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/lprs/ Liverpool & SW Lancs FHS: http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk Manchester & Lancashire FHS: http://www.mlfhs.org.uk North Meols FHS: http://www.nmfhssouthport.co.uk Ormskirk & District FHS: http://www.odfhs.org.uk/ St Helens Townships Family History Society: http://www.sthelenstownshipsfhs.org.uk/ Wigan F&LHS: http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/familyhistory/ If anyone has a *commercial* source to share with Sally, please do so off-list. Best wishes, Lynne

Forwarded with the kind permission of the author. Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike spencer" <mikedecc9@sky.com> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: [DBY] MELLOR BURIALS Oct- Dec 1814 > Hi list, > final part for now. > > MELLOR BURIALS 1814 Oct - Dec. > > 11 Oct 1814 John of William and Hannah HARRISON Marple 10 > 22 Oct 1814 Sarah illegitimate of Elizabeth BRADDOCK New Mills 5wks > 23 Oct 1814 Hannah Bradley dau of Kitty and wife of William TURNER > Ludworth > Houses 16 > 24 Oct 1814 Joseph of James and Hannah ROWBOTTOM , Lee, Mellor 27 > suffocated in a coal pit Coln Edge > 31 Oct 1814 Nancey of the late Peter and Grace DRINKWATER Manchester 16 > 10 Nov 1814 Benjamin GEE Hayfield 85 > 17 Nov 1814 John MORTON Manchester 49 > 21 Nov 1814 Elizabeth dau of John MOSLEY Stockport 32 > 9 Dec 1814 Joseph of James and Rachel STAFFORD Stockport 14 > 27 Dec 1814 Elizabeth of James and Mary BRADDOCK New Mills 22 > > and > 24 Jan 1815 Joseph WYAT New Mills 65 > > > mike > > -- > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All, First, I'd like to thank the person (sorry I forgot who it was) who posted the link to the London Gazette database. It's turned up a few very interesting items. Second, as a result of this, I'm hoping someone can look up something for me. Could some kind soul with Ancestry access tell me who or what is listed at 90 Great Ancoats street in 1901? Thank you, Daryl Howland

Hello List, Were there many Catholic Schools in Manchester in 1848-58 ? Are there any records available ? TIA Helen

Hi Sally, From the 1873 Manchester directory : ASHTON NEW RD - Beswick South side [no's 2-272] Between 28-30 is Purslow st then no more streets until the end at 272 Then Church st and the Rectory [doesn't say what church,just names the vicar] At 230 is Tattersall,George,hardware dealer Sorry, no sign of any glass works on Ashton New rd. Cheers Kath