Fair comment Lynne. I should have made myself clear. It is not the LDS but the link. I feel it detracts from an otherwise excellent source. I have sent feed back to the site on one occasion but had no reply. This was asking if anybody else was having trouble viewing images.as I find that sometimes there are several pages which will no load. Ann <SNIP> > What other site, that provides as much info as the FamilySearch sites > provide for free, doesn't have links to a paid site (or two or a hundred)? > As stated, >> Linking. For your convenience, this site may contain links to websites >> operated by others. These sites are not maintained or controlled by >> us, and we are not responsible for their content. Although we have >> made a good faith effort to link only to sites containing appropriate >> and useful information, some may contain inappropriate or >> objectionable material. <SNIP> If you have problems with the site providing a link to the census images, you can contact the LDS with your complaints via the feedback form (click on Feedback at the top of the page). > Lynne > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

As I reported on the Cheshire list this morning the family search labs site was on down time for more additions.... It is now back on line..... Now we come to the crunch Cough up time....... 1841 census put in name then you see a nice green arrow in the top right hand corner view original image on partner site... which... turns out to be find my past.com a site which you have to register note you are not a " member" but a "customer" then below that two pretty little boxes which describe the delights of alternate ways to view pay per view or subscription Ann

Just wanted to thank you Kath and all the members of this list for the wonderful thing that happened to me today. At your suggestion I wrote to the Manchester Evening News looking for any information about my long-lost and elusive maternal grandfather. To my amazement I received a letter today from a lady who was a bridesmaid at my parent's wedding in Salford in 1945, and whose father was a good friend of my grandfather. Reading her letter brought me to tears, and I am still choking up with emotion as I write this. I will be writing back to her just as soon as I can put pen to paper without tearing up again, and hopefully we will be able to locate the missing parts of my family tree. Kath, you have been such a help and inspiration to me - I can never thank you enough. And all the other members of this list are just as amazing in their generosity and willingness to help. I learn from every posting, and I feel so much closer to my "roots" from reading about the places and people of Manchester. Even though I left when I was only 3 months old, I feel almost like I know the place. Many thanks again from a 'stray' Mancunian, Gail Vancouver Island, BC Canada

Ann wrote: ><snip> family search labs site was on down time for more additions.... >It is now back on line..... >Now we come to the crunch > >Cough up time....... > >1841 census put in name >then you see a nice green arrow in the top right hand corner >view original image on partner site... <snip> > What other site, that provides as much info as the FamilySearch sites provide for free, doesn't have links to a paid site (or two or a hundred)? The *transcriptions* of the 1841 census on http://pilot.familysearch.org/ are completely free and I'm grateful to the LDS and those volunteer indexers for providing them. As stated, > Linking. For your convenience, this site may contain links to websites > operated by others. These sites are not maintained or controlled by > us, and we are not responsible for their content. Although we have > made a good faith effort to link only to sites containing appropriate > and useful information, some may contain inappropriate or > objectionable material. If you find such material while using this > site, please notify us so that we may remove links to such material. > Information made available on the Internet becomes publicly and widely > available. Therefore, linking to other sites is generally permissible > under the law and consistent with the expectations of those using the > Internet. However, if access to a particular site should be > restricted, the site operator should promptly notify us. If you have problems with the site providing a link to the census images, you can contact the LDS with your complaints via the feedback form (click on Feedback at the top of the page). Lynne

Hi Heather, That is fantastic, thank you so much :O) Off to have a look now, best wishes Vanda >----Original Message---- >From: pquiney@post.com >Date: 18/07/2008 11:00 >To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> >Subj: Re: [ENG-MAN] Occupations > >Morning, Vanda > >Have you looked at http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/ > >They don't have "postman" but they do have "post boy" - 1) Carried mail >2) Guard who travelled on the mail coach 3) Outrider travelling with the >coach or a Postillion. "Postillion" is described as "Rode as a guide on >one of the near pairs of horses drawing a coach or post chaise" > >Typing "1840 postman" into google (http://www.google.co.uk/) finds a >picture of a postman of that era along with a very brief description of >his duties which you might find interesting >(http://www.ilnprints.co.uk/General-Social-History- History/c320_17_18/p119/Postman-circa-1840/product_info.html) > >Hope this helps to understand your ancestor a little more >Heather > > > >andrew-vanda@tiscali.co.uk wrote: >> On a marriage certificate dated 1839 my GGGG grandmother Jane HUNTER's >> father, John, was described as a POSTMAN. >> >> On the 1841 census he was also described as a postman & again on his >> wife's death certificate in 1842. Is this occupation what I think it >> is, someone who delivers letters, or could it be something different? >> >> Thank you for any help, best wishes Vanda >> > > > > >~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > >Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >Other people can learn from them! > >~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > __________________________________________________________ Free games for all the family - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play __________________________________________________________

Morning, Vanda Have you looked at http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/ They don't have "postman" but they do have "post boy" - 1) Carried mail 2) Guard who travelled on the mail coach 3) Outrider travelling with the coach or a Postillion. "Postillion" is described as "Rode as a guide on one of the near pairs of horses drawing a coach or post chaise" Typing "1840 postman" into google (http://www.google.co.uk/) finds a picture of a postman of that era along with a very brief description of his duties which you might find interesting (http://www.ilnprints.co.uk/General-Social-History-History/c320_17_18/p119/Postman-circa-1840/product_info.html) Hope this helps to understand your ancestor a little more Heather andrew-vanda@tiscali.co.uk wrote: > On a marriage certificate dated 1839 my GGGG grandmother Jane HUNTER's > father, John, was described as a POSTMAN. > > On the 1841 census he was also described as a postman & again on his > wife's death certificate in 1842. Is this occupation what I think it > is, someone who delivers letters, or could it be something different? > > Thank you for any help, best wishes Vanda >

Received, thank you Mike. Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Stock street Map location: JOHNSTON,a little help is needed please >I see Stock street with two churches close by. The homes were not to bad > considering the maps time period 1844. These homes had a fair size back > garden. > > I will send you the map section. > > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <arcmikmum@talktalk.net> > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:45 AM >> >> I need to try and find where Elizabeth (nee Fairbairn) is buried, she >> died >> 21st Mar 1851 at 20 Stock St, Cheetham, I'm hoping that she is with >> Andrew/John. I emailed Manchester Cemeteries but there is no record for >> her, >> which tells me that she's in a Church Grave, but which Church? I think >> the >> one in Cheetham opened to burials at that time is St Luke, but, all the >> children were christened at Scotch Churches, which I think are >> Presbyterian. >> So they could be at another church! <snipped> > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Morning everyone, Hope you are all OK. On a marriage certificate dated 1839 my GGGG grandmother Jane HUNTER's father, John, was described as a POSTMAN. On the 1841 census he was also described as a postman & again on his wife's death certificate in 1842. Is this occupation what I think it is, someone who delivers letters, or could it be something different? Thank you for any help, best wishes Vanda __________________________________________________________ Free games for all the family - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play __________________________________________________________

Thanks Bryan and Cath for replying. The address certainly does look like Torbay Rd but wasn't sure. Carole

I see Stock street with two churches close by. The homes were not to bad considering the maps time period 1844. These homes had a fair size back garden. I will send you the map section. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <arcmikmum@talktalk.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:45 AM > > I need to try and find where Elizabeth (nee Fairbairn) is buried, she died > 21st Mar 1851 at 20 Stock St, Cheetham, I'm hoping that she is with > Andrew/John. I emailed Manchester Cemeteries but there is no record for > her, > which tells me that she's in a Church Grave, but which Church? I think the > one in Cheetham opened to burials at that time is St Luke, but, all the > children were christened at Scotch Churches, which I think are > Presbyterian. > So they could be at another church! <snipped>

I have both these streets next to each other on the south west corner of the old central station. They both ran into Deansgate at the west end of the streets. There was a methodist chapel just to the south of Lombard on Great Bridgewater street. Two street north of Fleet and west of Deansgate was St Johns Church. This was next door to the County court. North east of Fleet almost facing the Central station was St Peters church. Walk up Deansgate and you would reach the cathedral, not that far in them days. To the west of these streets a stones throw is a church, the map does not show a name. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <VPHONIC@aol.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:35 PM >I have Lombard and Fleet Street in my tree, <snip>

Dear Jackie To date I haven't received the photo but I think I read that you had some information from the Army to say it was standard issue or something. Regards Ann in Aus. -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jackie Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2008 11:32 PM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] Fw: Army garrison caps.Ann in Australia Hi Ann, Many thanks for your kind offer. I have mailed a photo to your personal e-mail address. Could you please confirm receiept when you receive photo. Kindest regards Jackie. -------Original Message------- From: Stuart Barker Date: 15/07/2008 03:12:31 To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Army garrison caps. Dear Jackie If all else fails and no-one can identify the cap you could email me a description and I will telephone a friend who is an expert on such matters and then get back to you. Regards Annie in Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jackie Sent: Monday, 14 July 2008 11:25 PM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] Army garrison caps. Are any researchers able to identify an Army garrison cap for me? I'm trying to obtain my fathers WW11 Army records but as I've never been able to obtain his birth cert and as I've no idea of the regiment he was with or his service number, the Army Records Office cannot find him. They have been extremely helpful and have looked through their database with no luck...but it's believed Dad lied about his age to enlist. I have a portrait photo of my father in Army Uniform but unfortunately there's not any badges on his uniform. His cap appears very unusual and might identify his unit. As he was living in Manchester, I'm hoping it may have been a regiment attached to Manchester. Regards Jackie jackie005@btclick.com ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1552 - Release Date: 7/14/2008 6:28 PM ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1552 - Release Date: 7/14/2008 6:28 PM

I have Lombard and Fleet Street in my tree, relating to either births or deaths. They are what was known as the Deansgate area of central Manchester. I believe they are where the GMEX is situated now. Hope that helps, Viv

Please would SKS advise the name of the parish(es) within Manchester containing Great Bridgewater, Fleet and Lombard Streets. Thanking you in anticipation Winifred Johns email address: watkin@alphalink.comau

Hi Pat Thats the only King St I can think of too, and considering his line of work, I'd say it is that King St, unfortunately, I haven't managed to find the address in 1841 as yet. I have a feeling that Andrew/John is deceased by 1841, as Elizabeth is on her own with her daughter Jesse and it says 'Ind' in the occupation, which I take it to mean independant. And yes, relict is an ancient term for widow, I had to look that up on wikipedia! As yet, I don't have Andrew/John's year of birth or death, I think c1775 and maybe in Scotland (narrows it down doesn't it!) Elizabeth was born 1779 in Berwickshire. Their children are: John b 1805 Edinburgh Peter Thomas b 1807 Kent Andrew b 1812 London Elizabeth b 1814 London Janet (Jesse) b 1816 London Margaret b 1818 Isleworth James b 1818 Isleworth Peter stayed in Middlesex, Elizabeth went to Glasgow, Jesse went to Manchester and then Glasgow, Margaret married Robert Deans in Edinburgh and went to Devon after his death, but has ended up back in London which is where she died in 1890, and James stayed in Manchester. I have never managed to find anything on John or Andrew, but because they seemed to move about so much it's no wonder! I need to try and find where Elizabeth (nee Fairbairn) is buried, she died 21st Mar 1851 at 20 Stock St, Cheetham, I'm hoping that she is with Andrew/John. I emailed Manchester Cemeteries but there is no record for her, which tells me that she's in a Church Grave, but which Church? I think the one in Cheetham opened to burials at that time is St Luke, but, all the children were christened at Scotch Churches, which I think are Presbyterian. So they could be at another church! I'm waiting for Manchester Archives to get back to me, as they have something on a John Johnston in 1832, he was working on the Scotch Church in St Peters Square, I'll let you know what it is when I hear back from them. Until I found Elizabeth's death notice on the newspaper site, I had no idea what had happened to the girls, is amazing what one little sentence can give! Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "patricia williams" <pat.williams121@virgin.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] JOHNSTON, a little help is needed please > > Hi Jane > Ive been looking at your Johnston's. I don't have ancestry at the moment, > but just wanted to clarify a couple of things. > "Relict" - does that mean widow? > The only King Street I know in Manchester is actually in Central > Manchester...and is still there. It's bound to be on one of the modern > street map sites. > Have you found a death for Andrew/John? And have you details of the first > born son, John? > Pat

Hi Carole, Possibly TORBAY rd,C cum H - see Google maps Cheers Kath

Sally, don't know about Manchester but you could maybe try this site. http://anguline.co.uk/index.htm Cheers, Lynda in NZ Researching English ancestors: Gear, Manwaring, Manning of Somerset/London Wilmshurst, Muckaway, Fullagar, Sunnex, Tilden, Fowle of Kent Buxton, Arrowsmith, Wild, Salmon, Parker, Hague, Aston, Peaker of Lancashire/Cheshire Rose, Fawcett, Jackson, Powers of Yorkshire 2008/7/16 Sally Haden <haden.sally@googlemail.com>: > Hi Folks, > > I am looking for places on the internet to buy CD copies of > Manchester directories. I understand that Rod Neep has retired, who > used to produce them (Archive CDs) > > I have searched the List archives but didn't find much. > > Thank you. > > Sally > in Yorkshire > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Daryl, I'm not sure the following will help but here goes : 1895 M/c Directory : HOWLAND,George,chair maker,39 Henry st Ancoats HOWLAND,Russen,chair maker,7 Dale st,Hough lane,Lower Broughton 1913 M/c Directory : HOWLAND,George,chair maker,39 Henry st,Ancoats, res : 136 Upper Conran st,Harpurhey HOWLAND,Russen,greengrocer & fried fish dealer,14 Gt Clowes st,Lower Broughton HOWLAN,Ralph Russen,greengrocer,5 Hough lane,Lower Broughton 1929 M/c directory : HOWLAND,Mrs Alice,beer retailer,159 Oldham rd,Miles Platting HOWLAND,Ralph Russel,greengrocer,5 Hough lane,Lower Broughton Cheers Kath

Dear Sally Try E Bay . They have them on there £9.99 'buy it now' and £1.50.I might add that I am not connected to E Bay in any way other than an ''enthusiast''. Best Wishes Sheila in Mirfield. Hi Folks, I am looking for places on the internet to buy CD copies of Manchester directories. I understand that Rod Neep has retired, who used to produce them (Archive CDs) I have searched the List archives but didn't find much. Thank you. Sally in Yorkshire ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A number of years after this date I use to work almost across the road from this area. I can remember a pub and the buildings. But no furniture manufacturing in 1953. I will send you the map section. It shows Port street on the south side of Great Ancoats street. Port street ran to the south into Piccadilly Gardens. My family around 1811 and after, had a few homes along this street and a business. Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "D. Howland" <howlands@verizon.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 3:08 PM > "NOTICE is hereby given, that the Partnership hereto- > fore subsisting between us the undersigned, > Walter Howland and Ralph Howland, carrying on > business as Chair Manufacturers and Upholsterers, at > Denmark-street, High Wycombe, Bucks., at No. 9, > Emlyn-street, West Derby-road, Liverpool, and at No. > 90, Great Ancoats-street, Manchester, under the style or > firm of " R. HOWLAND AND SONS," has been dissolved" > > This was news to me as I didn't realize R. Howland and Sons was anywhere > but > Wycombe. I have been able to find references to 2 other businesses for > that > same address, neither of them R. Howland and Sons. Slater's from 1911 > lists > Port Street Warehouse Co. The 1886 version lists William H. Wallworth > (with > an additional reference to 76 Port Street). <snip>