I found the following on the IGI site . Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada William Robert Ward Birth: 1836 Moston, Lancashire, England Wife Sarah Heywood Birth: 03 MAR 1839 Nutt Rd,Blackley, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Marriage: 28 OCT 1860 St Johns Church, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Death: 17 Jul 1909 Father: Lambert Heywood Mother: Sally Walto OR w u h: 28 APR 1900 ----- Original Message ----- From: "D C" <dc_kiwi_nz@hotmail.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Ward Bros - business and query re birth of William Ward > I am a direct descendant of one of his brothers named William Ward, born > 1836. > By the way, if William was born after his parents became members of a > church that did not baptise babies but only believing adults, is there > another way of finding his birth online? The IGI shows the birth if the > children up to and including John but not William born 1836 or George > bornabout 1840. <snipped>

This link sends you to the Hulme list of church records held at Manchester Central Library. Most of the records are later than you seem to be looking for. You may want to look at the Manchester churches too. St John in Deansgate isn't too far away. Pat W http://www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=464&pageNumber=21 ----- Original Message ----- From: ROB SHEPHERD To: eng-manchester-l Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 2:26 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Baptisms in Hulme or Manchester 1800 - what churches wereopen then? I have several ancestors born around 1800 who list there birth places as Hulme. What churches were likely contenders for their baptism in Hulme and adjacent Manchester.<snip Any help much appreciated. Thanks Rob

Hi List, I now have 2 (4) people living in King Street, Eccles, Barton-Upon-Irwell, Lancaster. I am hoping that these and more family members can be found in 1841 census & 1851 census (Bank Street, Salford). For the 1841 census, Hoping that these and more family members are living in King Street, Eccles, Barton Upon Irwell I have James WARBURTON (born Newchurch, Lancs, approx. 1807) Sarah WARBURTON (born Ireland approx. 1808) Elizabeth WARBURTON, born King Street Eccles, 1838 (name WARBUTTON used on birth certificate, father's occ. weaver). Charles WARBURTON, born King Street, Eccles 1840 (name WARBUTTON used on birth certificate, father's occ. labourer). I am looking for any info on the above, if they may be on a census in Barton Upon Irwell"? In addition to above for the 1851 census, there is another son Isaac WARBURTON, born Bank Street, Salford. But have not been able to find anyone in the 1851 census. In 1861 only James, Sarah, Charles & Isaac are living in 7 Albert Place, The Crescent, Salford, under the name off "WHARBURTON." Father James is occ. Railway Watchman. I would be grateful for any information 1841 and 1851 census. Thanks in advance for any replies. Best wishes Gisela

Hi Mike Yes I knew the bit about F & A Perhouse and that the Ward Family live in Kenyon Lane - in fact in the book it was called a Weaver's cottage. Interesting about the business premises of Robert Ward & Co. Now I just KNOW I need to check out those books again, which are at my mother's place not far from where I live. Just now however my mother (who was born a Ward in fact) is turning 80 on 30th July so we are a bit busy sorting out her birthday party for next weekend. But I will get back to those books for sure after that. Incidentally out John Ward b 1834 christened St Peters Church Blackey 17 August 1834, was a Manchester City Councillor and the City's first Alderman when it became a City according to one of John's books. I am a direct descendant of one of his brothers named William Ward, born 1836. By the way, if William was born after his parents became members of a church that did not baptise babies but only believing adults, is there another way of finding his birth online? The IGI shows the birth if the children up to and including John but not William born 1836 or George bornabout 1840. Just checked the Family Tree outline on this computer and there is no Barney or Bartholomew or other such similar name. Deosn't mean he wasn't related though, could just mean he is down a family branch we don't have all the names for. Mum will be so pleased to have heard something else about her Ward Family - thank you. Regards, Delwyn Cockrell > From: morrisind@rogers.com > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:15:31 -0400 > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Ward Bros - business in the late 1800s Cotton Industry > > I read that John Ward was born in a small cottage in Kenyon lane. A also see > he wrote of a family connection with the Fustian trade through F & A > Pershouse of Bread street, Manchester. > > Another bit of information was that the firm of Robert Ward & Co (in which > three Ward brothers were directors) owned a row of two-up-two down cottages > in Moston lane > > No mention where the factory was. > > Ref: The Moston Story by Fr Brian Searle > > One of the conributors to this book was named Barney Ward.............. I > dont know if he was connected to Ward. John Wards writings were mentioned a > number of times in the book. > > Regards > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D C" <dc_kiwi_nz@hotmail.com> > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:53 PM > Hi everyone Just wondering if anyone has heard of or knows where I can find > out anything about a business named Ward Bros that was in the Cotton > industry in the late 1800s. According to two books written by my > some-numbered-Great Uncle John Ward, called Moston Characters at Work and > Moston Characters at Play (which by the way we have copies of if anyone > wanted me to check something sometime), the owners were two of his brothers. > They lived in Moston, Manchester so I imagine the business was there also or > somewhere nearby. <snip> > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Buy, rent, invest property online today. http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eallrealestate%2Eco%2Enz%2Freview%2Fhome%2Dbuying%2Dinfo%2Ehtml%3Frsf%3Dmsnnz%5Ftextlink&_t=26000&_r=REA_NZ_tagline&_m=EXT

I didn't know that............Gorton and Ardwick here I come! I'll sign up tomorrow. Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maggie in Wigan" <maggie.sunshine@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 8:08 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Lancs OPC project (2nd attempt!) > Sorry about this - clicked the wrong button and sent it too soon! > > What I was about to say was - > > If anyone would like to join us but feels that their IT skill are not > brilliant (as you can see, mine aren't!) or that they don't have access to > records, it's not a problem. > The records are supplied to you on CDs and the IT bit is really > straightforward. > (Look, if I can do it, anyone can!). > > There is a lot of support within the group so please, if you want to have > a > go, please join. > > Maggie > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry about this - clicked the wrong button and sent it too soon! What I was about to say was - If anyone would like to join us but feels that their IT skill are not brilliant (as you can see, mine aren't!) or that they don't have access to records, it's not a problem. The records are supplied to you on CDs and the IT bit is really straightforward. (Look, if I can do it, anyone can!). There is a lot of support within the group so please, if you want to have a go, please join. Maggie

I'm looking for a marriage of George Shepherd (unsure of spouse) probably around 1785-1805 in Manchester If anyone has access to Boyds Marriage Index for Lancashire would they be kind enough to do a look up for me? Many, many thanks Rob

I have several ancestors born around 1800 who list there birth places as Hulme. What churches were likely contenders for their baptism in Hulme and adjacent Manchester. Even though they married at the Cathedral, I cannot find their baptisms on the IGI. Any help much appreciated. Thanks Rob

Now a days we have women complaining about handling 2 kids and a part time job. How things have changed. And the men help with the house work and cooking now. Betty Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <Littlmum@aol.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 2:05 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Memories of our hard working Mums. > We forget just how hard our mothers and grandmothers had to work. > > The stone was either a "donkey stone" or an "ashley stone (sic) > > > The blue bags were used at the Co-op and similar bags in different > colour > for currants, rice etc. , I remember my mothers Co-op number was 2901 > and > my grandmothers was 372, surprising what stays in your mind isn't it. > > > It was my job to do Mothers step and grandmothers step every day, if you > had a dirty step you were looked down on no matter how poor you were your > steps > and your windows, were spotless. > > Cocunut matting well remember in the back kitchen. and peg rugs being > made > in the evenings for in front of the large shiny black ranges with the oven > at > one side and a boiler for water at the other (in our case). but the > brasses and the curbs shone. > > Washing day you mostly had soup made from leftovers from the Sunday > dinner, > not that there was very many leftovers during the 1940's. > > As a child I remember going to my other grandmothers and seeing her doing > her washing in the wash-house at the side of the kitchen with tubs, and > dolly, > and posser to hand. there always seemed to be baking cooling on the > windowsill as well, she made bread, pies, and large cakes for slicing up > . > > This grandmother was exceptional, she had had 20 children 4 sets of > twins. three sets were boy/girl twins and one set of boy twins besides > the > other 12. now washing and ironing and cooking for that lot must have > been > horrendous besides the housework and on top of that she was a "doctors > assistant". > > There were also the huge stoneware containers for bread, and for stoneware > pots for cooking in , usually hotpots or stews put in the oven at the side > of > the fire to cook slowly using the heat that was warming the room and the > water > at the same time. > > Regards > > > Eileen (St Helens) > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We forget just how hard our mothers and grandmothers had to work. The stone was either a "donkey stone" or an "ashley stone (sic) The blue bags were used at the Co-op and similar bags in different colour for currants, rice etc. , I remember my mothers Co-op number was 2901 and my grandmothers was 372, surprising what stays in your mind isn't it. It was my job to do Mothers step and grandmothers step every day, if you had a dirty step you were looked down on no matter how poor you were your steps and your windows, were spotless. Cocunut matting well remember in the back kitchen. and peg rugs being made in the evenings for in front of the large shiny black ranges with the oven at one side and a boiler for water at the other (in our case). but the brasses and the curbs shone. Washing day you mostly had soup made from leftovers from the Sunday dinner, not that there was very many leftovers during the 1940's. As a child I remember going to my other grandmothers and seeing her doing her washing in the wash-house at the side of the kitchen with tubs, and dolly, and posser to hand. there always seemed to be baking cooling on the windowsill as well, she made bread, pies, and large cakes for slicing up . This grandmother was exceptional, she had had 20 children 4 sets of twins. three sets were boy/girl twins and one set of boy twins besides the other 12. now washing and ironing and cooking for that lot must have been horrendous besides the housework and on top of that she was a "doctors assistant". There were also the huge stoneware containers for bread, and for stoneware pots for cooking in , usually hotpots or stews put in the oven at the side of the fire to cook slowly using the heat that was warming the room and the water at the same time. Regards Eileen (St Helens)

I would love to join in, esp for Gorton, Ardwick etc. but I don't have access to records. You all do a great job. Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maggie in Wigan" <maggie.sunshine@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] ENG-MANCHESTER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 228 > Lynne asked > > What other site, that provides as much info as the FamilySearch sites > provide for free, doesn't have links to a paid site? > > How about > > http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ > > Ok, so not as much info. > > And not as many volunteers. > > but totally free, gratis, no strings, transcribed as accurately as we can > > real battles to get permission to transcribe > > squinting at records written with a twig dipped in treacle > > But.... > > every day we get another volunteer > > which means more records online > > free. > > > (OK, I know it's an unashamed plug for the site and an appeal for more > volunteers. But people are starting to notice the work we do. And I know > there are plenty of parioshed which don't have a transcriber. Anyone with > a > spare few hours is very welcome to join us.) > > > Maggie > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jackie, The name of the stone for cleaning / whitening the steps / flags was "donkey stone". regards, Alison > > Since joining this site memories of my childhood that I'd totally > forgotten have come flooding back to me. > > I'm going mad trying to remember the name of a soft stone which my mother > used to whiten the steps leading up to the front door.

Since joining this site memories of my childhood that I'd totally forgotten have come flooding back to me. I'm going mad trying to remember the name of a soft stone which my mother used to whiten the steps leading up to the front door. On Mondays Mum would be up at the crack of dawn to do the laundry. She always wore a wrap around pinny and a headscarf tied at the front in a knot, Mum called this a 'turban' In the warm weather Mum would light a huge washing boiler 'thing' in the scullery and then clean the laundry by adding soap powder (Daz or Surf) and a 'Dolly Blue' and then bashing a wooden tripod 'thing' into the boiler. It all then had to be rinsed in the big stone sink and then taken into the yard to go through the mangle (what a contraption that was!) After going through the mangle all the washing was hung out to dry on the clothes line in the yard. My sister, me and our dog were never allowed to play in the yard on Mondays for fear of getting the clean laundry dirty again. The next day when it was all dry, Mum used to continually have to heat a couple of flat irons on the stove and then spend hours ironing. In the winter Mum would cram my young sister's pram with the laundry that needed washing and we would walk to the launderette in Upper Brook Street. The launderette was a winter, weekly social event, always nice and warm, always busy and every week crammed full of the same women chatting and gossiping to each other whilst the young children happily playing together. We would spend the whole morning there waiting for the laundry to be washed and then dried in huge hot dryers and then feeling very tired.......... we had the long walk home. After the washing was done Mum then had to do the job she most hated doing, clean the huge black stove that covered the whole of one kitchen wall from floor to ceiling. The cleaning and polishing took most of the afternoon but left Mum with just enough time to clean the 3 huge steps leading to the front door. After brushing the steps, Mum would have bucket of warm water and dampen a soft chalky stone in the water, then she would smear the stone all over the front part of the step, when it was dry she would rub the step with a cloth to remove the excess and build up a shine. Sometimes the stone was white, other times cream..What was that stone called, anyone remember? I can remember Cardinal Polish she used on the yard steps but not the name of the stone. Somehow or other, during her incredibly busy day Mum always managed to prepare and cook a 'stew' (made from the left over meat from Sunday dinner) which was always ready and on the table with a mugs of tea for when Dad arrived home from work. The rest of week was just as busy for Mum. The straw matting and rugs had to be lifted and hung out on the line for their weekly bashing. The lino and anything else had to be dusted and polished. There was no such luxury as a vacuum cleaner, Mum had her prized wooden Ewbank sweeper. Mum nearly always shopped at the Co-Op so that she got her stamps for her 'Dividend Shopping was done on an almost daily bases because we didn't have a fridge, just a pantry and a enamelled mesh box for the meats. Towards the end of the week when money was short, food was bought on the 'book' and paid for at the weekend when Dad handed over his wage packet. Does anyone remember the thick blue bags sugar was poured into when being bought and butter being cut from a huge slab and the shop assistant moulding it into shape with 2 wooden spatulas. What about Provident cheques saved for weekly so that new clothes could be bought for Whit Week so that we looked nice for the Whit Walks in Piccadilly. Only God knows how our poor mothers managed, life was tough then but there was always plenty of time for Mum to read us a bedtime story and give plenty of love. Such a pity that I didn't appreciate how hard she worked until I got older. God bless our Mums. Regards Jackie. .

Lynne asked What other site, that provides as much info as the FamilySearch sites provide for free, doesn't have links to a paid site? How about http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ Ok, so not as much info. And not as many volunteers. but totally free, gratis, no strings, transcribed as accurately as we can real battles to get permission to transcribe squinting at records written with a twig dipped in treacle But.... every day we get another volunteer which means more records online free. (OK, I know it's an unashamed plug for the site and an appeal for more volunteers. But people are starting to notice the work we do. And I know there are plenty of parioshed which don't have a transcriber. Anyone with a spare few hours is very welcome to join us.) Maggie

awwwww I can't speak Best of luck yo you Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Lewis" <facets@telus.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Cc: "kathleen Torrisi" <kathleentorrisi@tt360.com> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:35 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] thank you > Just wanted to thank you Kath and all the members of this list for the > wonderful thing that happened to me today. At your suggestion I wrote to > the Manchester Evening News looking for any information about my long-lost > and elusive maternal grandfather. To my amazement I received a letter > today from a lady who was a bridesmaid at my parent's wedding in Salford > in 1945, and whose father was a good friend of my grandfather. Reading > her letter brought me to tears, and I am still choking up with emotion as > I write this. I will be writing back to her just as soon as I can put pen > to paper without tearing up again, and hopefully we will be able to locate > the missing parts of my family tree. > > Kath, you have been such a help and inspiration to me - I can never thank > you enough. And all the other members of this list are just as amazing in > their generosity and willingness to help. I learn from every posting, and > I feel so much closer to my "roots" from reading about the places and > people of Manchester. Even though I left when I was only 3 months old, I > feel almost like I know the place. > > Many thanks again from a 'stray' Mancunian, > > Gail > Vancouver Island, BC > Canada > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Viv, Thank you for your advice. [I am trying to trace likely cemeteries for burials of former residents in these streets [and Deansgate]. c.1812-1839. http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexp.html includes "parishes in Lancashire', which displays an alphabetical list 'at or around the end of the 19th century'; and under 'Manchester' lists 36 parishes, any one of which can contain a number of churches with potential burial grounds. It would be helpful to concentrate on 'parishes' in the area. [Deansgate may have been in Hulme; and Blackley and Newtown Heath may be a bit far to the NE or E, etc. - I have not visited Manchester.] With appreciation and kind regards, Winifred Johns ENG-MANCHESTER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 227 Message: 3 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:35:57 EDT From: VPHONIC@aol.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] parish within Manchester containing Great Bridgewater, Fleet & ... To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <bf0.30aa0fdb.35b0dcfd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I have Lombard and Fleet Street in my tree, relating to either births or deaths. They are what was known as the Deansgate area of central Manchester. I believe they are where the GMEX is situated now. Hope that helps, Viv

Thanks Gilly, Its a great site, have found a couple of possibilities Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "gllykh" <gillykh@cox.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Bankrupts > Hi Sandra, > Check out this site > > http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/Merseysidebankrupts.html > it lists bankrupts from all around the north west. > Gilly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandra Geddes 1" <sandrageddes@aanet.com.au> > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:56 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Bankrupts > >

yes that's right, but if Family search don't charge then they we are not really customers are we as a customer pays for the price for goods received. But I am not a find my past customer. I am a Family search registered site user. But as Lynne has already printed the Family search site disclaimer, my original query is already answered. kind regards Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcc1934@aol.com To: Gordon.Annbrown@btinternet.com ; CHESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Cc: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com ; ENG-CHS-NORTHWICH-L@rootsweb.com ; mlfhs@genuki.org.uk Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [CHS] Family Search Labs Hi Ann, Correct me if I am wrong, but....... If FamilySearch have a "partner site" e.g. Find-my-Past" - and this "partner site" charges for viewing - then FamilySearch can't really let their "Customers" view the same information for free. Regards, Ricky Cooper.

I read that John Ward was born in a small cottage in Kenyon lane. A also see he wrote of a family connection with the Fustian trade through F & A Pershouse of Bread street, Manchester. Another bit of information was that the firm of Robert Ward & Co (in which three Ward brothers were directors) owned a row of two-up-two down cottages in Moston lane No mention where the factory was. Ref: The Moston Story by Fr Brian Searle One of the conributors to this book was named Barney Ward.............. I dont know if he was connected to Ward. John Wards writings were mentioned a number of times in the book. Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "D C" <dc_kiwi_nz@hotmail.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:53 PM Hi everyone Just wondering if anyone has heard of or knows where I can find out anything about a business named Ward Bros that was in the Cotton industry in the late 1800s. According to two books written by my some-numbered-Great Uncle John Ward, called Moston Characters at Work and Moston Characters at Play (which by the way we have copies of if anyone wanted me to check something sometime), the owners were two of his brothers. They lived in Moston, Manchester so I imagine the business was there also or somewhere nearby. <snip>

Ann wrote: >Fair comment Lynne. I should have made myself clear. It is not the LDS but >the link. I feel it detracts from an otherwise excellent source. >I have sent feed back to the site on one occasion but had no reply. This was >asking if anybody else was having trouble viewing images.as I find that >sometimes there are several pages which will no load. > > Thanks for clarifying, Ann. I was thinking you were looking that gift horse in the mouth. <vbg> It is a bit of a surprise when you click on the green thingy and a commercial page pops up, Ann. They should label the links a little more clearly so that users know that clicking on it will take them off the FamilySearch site and to a commercial enterprise. Maybe when they have the rest of the kinks worked out on the site and it settles into its permanent state the links will be refined a bit. Are there any similar links to commercial sites on the original FamilySearch.org site? I don't remember seeing any, but I'm sure there are tons of pages on FamilySearch.org that I haven't explored. Best wishes, Lynne