Hi folks, > I took the plunge and ordered the 2 certificates Eliza Prince & > Elizabeth PRINCE both Manchester I can confirm they are 2 totally > different people who had the unfortunate co incidence of both > having died on the same day 12 Sept 1849 unfortunately neither are > the Elizabeth I was looking for For those who don't know, if you order certificates through the relevant register office, by snail mail with a letter specifying the correct parents or some other specific detail, asking that they return your cheque if it/they are incorrect, then you don't waste your money and only get what you wanted. It's more of an effort to do it this way, but at least you get the right stuff. I did this recently with three birth / death certificates at the Manchester Register office. I had three different people, the third of which had two alternative possibles. I specified in each case who the father or spouse should be. I got two back which were correct, plus a returned cheque. I then emailed them referring to the third person, quoting back to them the alternatives which were incorrect, asking if they could check another possible with the same name, same year. It took them a few days but they emailed back to say that was wrong too. They won't go into details with you because otherwise that would give too much away but at least you can do some eliminating. And if you are not sure about the correct register office, again you can email them and ask if it is the correct one for what you want. Or you can pick up the correct register office from http:// www.ukbmd.org.uk/ Surely it all beats taking a train, boat or plane, even if one has to wait a few days or a couple of weeks if you are far afield. Sally in Yorkshire

Hi Sandra If there is no-one on the list who wants your certificates, google "BMD certificate exchange" and you will find several websites where you can post the details of your unwanted ones. I have no experience of this myself - maybe others, who have, can explain how easy (or not) and how successful (or not) the system is. Heather Sandra Geddes 1 wrote: > Recently I asked about 2 Death certificates both having the same GRO Index numbers and if they may have been for the same person?, I took the plunge and ordered the 2 certificates Eliza Prince & Elizabeth PRINCE both Manchester I can confirm they are 2 totally different people who had the unfortunate co incidence of both having died on the same day 12 Sept 1849 unfortunately neither are the Elizabeth I was looking for, grrrrrr, so if anybody on the list is looking for either of these deaths I am happy to pass on the information contained on the certificates Eliza was age 26 & Elizabeth age 75 > Sandra Aus

Joy, have you located him on the 1841 census? It may give you a clue to his mother's name?? Not much help, sorry, good luck Vanda >----Original Message---- >From: joy.averis@hotmail.com >Date: 22/07/2008 2:53 >To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> >Subj: [ENG-MAN] FW: Turner 1820/21 > > > > >From: joy.averis@hotmail.comTo: manchester@rootsweb.comSubject: Turner 1820/21Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:09:17 +1200 > > >Hi Listers I am new to this list and I am hoping that SKS may be able to assist me in finding the birth or baptism for John Turner c.1820/21. John Turner died from a workplace accident in Crewe Cheshire in Aug 1875 aged 54 years. On his marriage certificate his father's name is given as James. On the 1851 census his place of birth is recorded as Manchester.Sorry I do not have any further information.Any assistance or suggestions will be much appreciated.Thanking you. Joy, Kerikeri, NZ > >Click here Buy, rent, invest property online today. >_________________________________________________________________ >Free Windows Live software. Chat, search, share pics and more >http://get.live.com/ > > > >~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > >Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >Other people can learn from them! > >~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > __________________________________________________________ Free games for all the family - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play __________________________________________________________

Hi Terry Yes they definitely attended a church. By the time they came to New Zealand in 1862, William and his family were member of a group known as Disciples of Christ who became Associated Churches of Christ in New Zealand. That church does not believe in baptising children which is why I wonder if William and his younger brother George were baptised at all as children. Siblings older than William were as I can find them in the familysearch Mormon search website. Have always wondered about that one. Thank you very much for your helpful notes about when registration was and was not required. That is very interesting. Regards, Delwyn Cockrell > From: th005c0859@blueyonder.co.uk > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:45:49 +0100 > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Query re birth of William Ward > > Delwyn > As the birth is apparently 1836 there were no Certificates then. Birth > registration was not introduced until latter half of 1837 [and even then it > was not compulsory until 1872] so the only record would be a baptism from a > church, assuming that the family attended a church > Terry Heath > Cheltenham UK > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Free Windows Live software. Chat, search, share pics and more http://get.live.com/

Hello Listers , I'm hoping someone can help me please.I'm looking for William & Mary Ann Broadley. It seems i have been looking at the wrong Mary Ann[nee Wright] I now believe her maiden name was Lowndes. They had a son Samuel in 1873 sub district of Ancoats Manchester.I have been told they had 2 other sons William and Frederick. But the mystery is that Mary Ann was supposed to have brought an illegitamite son into the marriage,but we don't know his name . I found a Joseph on the 1871 census with a William & Mary Ann and son William who I thought may be him, but cannot find any births for a Joseph Lowndes to a Mary Ann anywhere. Also I sent away for birth certificates [ I found this family in the 1881 census]for William born 1866 but his mother was Mary Howe. I have ordered her marriage cert as I have found a marriage to a William . In both certs William is a Cotton Overlocker which is correct.Then I received a birth cert for Frederick born may 1880 and his mother was Mary Kennedy. A different name again !!!! They were living at 24 Peel st in 1881 census and I thought this was my family that I was chasing Now I believe that Mary ann's maiden name was Lowndes so her youngest child William's birth cert should have the name nee Lowndes instead of Howe.As I can't find a marriage for Broadley & Lowndes , I don't know where to look next. I would be grateful if any one can come up with suggestions.Now anybody reading this is as confused as me. Many Thanks Cheri Greenlaw

From: > "Winifred Johns" <watkin@alphalink.com.au> To:> <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Cc: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> > Hi Mike > > Thank you very much for your clear and helpful information, and for > maps you kindly sent some years ago. Great. > I've been told the parish would be 'St. Matthews'[?] > All 1803-1825 parents were married + 2 baptisms 1804-05 at cathedral: No applicable burials spotted there. > > 3 baptisms 1813-17 were at Gt. Bridgewater St Wesleyan chapel. > None of the family were identified on the microfilm of GBSWC >burial register. Instances of the surname are being followed > up via a GBSWC 'monumental inscriptions' CD. 3 baptisms 1819-24 at Oldham St. Wesleyan [no attached space for graveyard. Burials not spotted at Cheetham Wesleyan] > Checked a microfilm of the St. John's burial register earlier without success, but perhaps should cross-check it. > > No copies of St. Peter's death/burial register identified in general / genealogy libraries in Australia or SOG as yet. > > Regards > Winifred Johns > >

I located Blackburn and Waterlane streets in Radcliffe in1894 and have sent you these maps sections. Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <andrew-vanda@tiscali.co.uk> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:09 PM > I wish I could narrow it down. I have the eldest brother in 1861 > living in Radcliffe who is married and a possible unmarried sister > living a few streets away working as a servant but no other family > members in Radcliffe. > > This is the family in 1841 > > 1841 Census - Merrington, Durham > William Horrocks - 25 - Quarryman - born in county - no > Jane Horrocks - 20 - born in county - no > John Horrocks - 1 - born in county - yes > > They had 4 other children, George Hunter Horrocks, Sarah Horrocks, > Maria Horrocks & James Horrocks > > John appears in 1861 ... > > 1861 Census - Blackburn Street, Radcliffe, Lancs > John Horrocks - Head - M - 22 - Shoemaker - Yorkshire > Rachel Horrocks - Wife - M - 29 - Shoemakers wife - Radcliffe, Lancs > > & his sister (possibly) is not far away> > 1861 Census - Water Lane, Radcliffe, Lancashire > Living with the Bowker family > Sarah Horrocks - Serv - Um - 17 - House Servant - Durham, Sunderland > <snip>

THIS MIGHT HELP! Genuki.org/uk has a huge list of towns and within that is a list of the churches, many of them have dates when they opened, when they closed etc.> From: pat.williams121@virgin.net> To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:45:29 +0100> Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Baptisms in Hulme or Manchester 1800 - what churches wereopen then?> > > This link sends you to the Hulme list of church records held at Manchester > Central Library. Most of the records are later than you seem to be looking > for. You may want to look at the Manchester churches too. St John in > Deansgate isn't too far away.> Pat W> > http://www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=464&pageNumber=21> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ROB SHEPHERD> To: eng-manchester-l> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 2:26 PM> Subject: [ENG-MAN] Baptisms in Hulme or Manchester 1800 - what churches > wereopen then?> > I have several ancestors born around 1800 who list there birth places as> Hulme.> What churches were likely contenders for their baptism in Hulme and adjacent> Manchester.<snip> > Any help much appreciated.> Thanks> Rob> > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~> > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list.> Other people can learn from them!> > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mike Well that is definitely him as most of the details match. It seems that many of our family "acquire" a middle name that was not on their birth certificates and sometimes not on their death certificates. We have always presumed that the birth certificate is correct and excluded the middle name if it was not there. This is the case for our William Ward. His death certificate does not show a middle name. We do know that his father's name was Robert Ward and his mother Elizabeth (surname unsure but could be Simpson). As I am not in England, is SKS able to tell me how we can get a birth certificate for this person? Obviously there will be some charge for it and we will have to have it mailed to New Zealand. Thanks in advance. Regards, Delwyn Cockrell > From: morrisind@rogers.com> To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:56:00 -0400> Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Ward Bros - business and query re birth of William Ward> > I found the following on the IGI site . Regards> Mike Morris> Toronto Canada> > William Robert Ward> Birth: 1836 Moston, Lancashire, England> > Wife Sarah Heywood> > Birth: 03 MAR 1839 Nutt Rd,Blackley, Lancaster, Lancashire, England> Marriage: 28 OCT 1860 St Johns Church, Lancaster, Lancashire, England> Death: 17 Jul 1909> Father: Lambert Heywood> Mother: Sally Walto OR w u> > h: 28 APR 1900> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D C" <dc_kiwi_nz@hotmail.com>> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 6:13 AM> Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Ward Bros - business and query re birth of William > Ward> > > > I am a direct descendant of one of his brothers named William Ward, born > > 1836.> > > By the way, if William was born after his parents became members of a> > church that did not baptise babies but only believing adults, is there> > another way of finding his birth online? The IGI shows the birth if the> > children up to and including John but not William born 1836 or George> > bornabout 1840. <snipped>> > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~> > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list.> Other people can learn from them!> > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Free Windows Live software. Chat, search, share pics and more http://get.live.com/

Hi Alex and Jan Thank you so much for those, its really appreciated. Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan and Alex" <fittonaj@bigpond.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] William David Fairbairn > Hello Jane, > 3 entries for William David, sent direct. > Alex and Jan > > >> Hi All >> >> Could someone with global access to ancestry get me the details of >> William >> David FAIRBAIRN and William Dawnay Gordon FAIRBAIRN, they are on the >> Australian Electroral Rolls 1901 - 1936, William David was a Presbyterian >> Minister. >> >> Thank you in advance >> >> Jane :o) >> > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Found another William Dawnay Gordon Alex and Jan > Hi All > > Could someone with global access to ancestry get me the details of William > David FAIRBAIRN and William Dawnay Gordon FAIRBAIRN, they are on the > Australian Electroral Rolls 1901 - 1936, William David was a Presbyterian > Minister. > > Thank you in advance > > Jane :o) >

Hello again Jane, Found William Darnay Gordon and another entry for William David. Will send seperately. Alex and Jan > Hi All > > Could someone with global access to ancestry get me the details of William > David FAIRBAIRN and William Dawnay Gordon FAIRBAIRN, they are on the > Australian Electroral Rolls 1901 - 1936, William David was a Presbyterian > Minister. > > Thank you in advance > > Jane :o) >

Hello Jane, 3 entries for William David, sent direct. Alex and Jan > Hi All > > Could someone with global access to ancestry get me the details of William > David FAIRBAIRN and William Dawnay Gordon FAIRBAIRN, they are on the > Australian Electroral Rolls 1901 - 1936, William David was a Presbyterian > Minister. > > Thank you in advance > > Jane :o) >

That's fantastic, Jane. Thank you so much. You found more information than I asked for because living next door to the FLETCHER's was Edward HODSON, the man Ann FLETCHER went on to marry! Now, as always the way, that's answered one question but given me several more. The entry lists Charles and 2 of his children living with him - but where are the other 4? William was married 19 April 1841 (pre or post Census night?) and may have been living at 205 Oxford Street (entry in Slater's 1847 directory), Henry (aged 15) would be an apprentice engraver somwhere in Manchester, and Mary (25) and Sarah Tettle FLETCHER (23) I know absolutely nothing about (I haven't been able to find deaths or marriages for either of them). Please, Jane, if you have time and if its easy to do, would you have a look for them? Thanks again for your help. Best Ruth

Delwyn As the birth is apparently 1836 there were no Certificates then. Birth registration was not introduced until latter half of 1837 [and even then it was not compulsory until 1872] so the only record would be a baptism from a church, assuming that the family attended a church Terry Heath Cheltenham UK

Found him, sending the image off list. Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: <RuthGenda@aol.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Charles FLETCHER 1841 > Please can anyone help with my search for my 2xggrandfather Charles > FLETCHER > in the 1841 Census. > > He was born in 1787 in Newark Nottinghamshire and moved to Manchester c > 1820. He was a clerk and bookkeeper. By 1841 his wife Elizabeth had > died (date > unknown) and he may then have been living with a second > partner/housekeeper > also named Elizabeth and his children Mary b.1814, William b. 1815, Sarah > Tettle b. 1817, Ann b.1819 (all 4 born in Newark), Henry b,1823 and John > Francis > b.1825 (both born in Manchester) > > The first address I have for him is in the 1824-5 Pigot and Dean's > directory > when he is living at 29 Bridgewater Street, Salford, and he is listed as > a > malt and flour dealer. An unidentified directory for the same time frame > lists > him as a malt and hop dealer (agent). I know that he had connections > with > Holes Brewery in Newark and Strangeways Brewery in Manchester and that he > retained his own malt office in Newark for some time. > > > Chorlton Row is cited as his address on his son's birth certificate in > 1825. > > By 1828 he had moved to Wilton Street, Oxford Street. > > He signs the register at his son William's marriage in April 1841 and his > daughter Ann's in 1845 - his occupation is given as 'agent' both times. > > Pigot's 1841 directory has a Charles FLETCHER at 3 Princess Street listed > as > a conveyancer. A step too far, perhaps? > > I have trawled the Genes Reunited site and I may have located them all > living in 'Chorlton' - but of course that is all the free information I > can get > without joining. I do have the Stepping Stones CD of the 1841 Census, but > there is no person index to it - only an area index. It is a very slow > and > painful task then to go through every street and court and yard in the > hope that > ancestors can be found. > > Would be grateful for any help. > > Ruth > > > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All Could someone with global access to ancestry get me the details of William David FAIRBAIRN and William Dawnay Gordon FAIRBAIRN, they are on the Australian Electroral Rolls 1901 - 1936, William David was a Presbyterian Minister. Thank you in advance Jane :o)

Hi Adrian You can volunteer to do any parish. They all help. The more volunteer's they have the sooner the whole thing gets done and that is better for all of us. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Prince" <adrian.prince@y7mail.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] ENG-MANCHESTER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 228 > While Lancs OPC may not have as much info as Family Search, it is vastly > more accurate. I am really concerned that LDS won't delete or edit > information that's clearly wrong (eg parents born after their children!). > > I think Lancs OPC is a wonderful site, made even better by the search full > county function. I was going to volunteer then the parish I was > interested in was suddenly fully covered. I'll come back to it when I've > finished investigating my wife's descendancy from Henry III. > > Thanks, Lancs OPC > > Adrian Prince > Sunshine Coast > Australia > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Maggie in Wigan <maggie.sunshine@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, 19 July, 2008 8:55:46 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] ENG-MANCHESTER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 228 > > Lynne asked > > What other site, that provides as much info as the FamilySearch sites > provide for free, doesn't have links to a paid site? > > How about > > http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ > > Ok, so not as much info. > > And not as many volunteers. > > but totally free, gratis, no strings, transcribed as accurately as we can > > real battles to get permission to transcribe > > squinting at records written with a twig dipped in treacle > > But..... > > every day we get another volunteer > > which means more records online > > free. > > > (OK, I know it's an unashamed plug for the site and an appeal for more > volunteers. But people are starting to notice the work we do. And I know > there are plenty of parioshed which don't have a transcriber. Anyone with > a > spare few hours is very welcome to join us.) > > > Maggie > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Start at the new Yahoo!7 for a better online experience. > www.yahoo7.com.au > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

While Lancs OPC may not have as much info as Family Search, it is vastly more accurate. I am really concerned that LDS won't delete or edit information that's clearly wrong (eg parents born after their children!). I think Lancs OPC is a wonderful site, made even better by the search full county function. I was going to volunteer then the parish I was interested in was suddenly fully covered. I'll come back to it when I've finished investigating my wife's descendancy from Henry III. Thanks, Lancs OPC Adrian Prince Sunshine Coast Australia ----- Original Message ---- From: Maggie in Wigan <maggie.sunshine@blueyonder.co.uk> To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 19 July, 2008 8:55:46 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] ENG-MANCHESTER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 228 Lynne asked What other site, that provides as much info as the FamilySearch sites provide for free, doesn't have links to a paid site? How about http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ Ok, so not as much info. And not as many volunteers. but totally free, gratis, no strings, transcribed as accurately as we can real battles to get permission to transcribe squinting at records written with a twig dipped in treacle But..... every day we get another volunteer which means more records online free. (OK, I know it's an unashamed plug for the site and an appeal for more volunteers. But people are starting to notice the work we do. And I know there are plenty of parioshed which don't have a transcriber. Anyone with a spare few hours is very welcome to join us.) Maggie ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Start at the new Yahoo!7 for a better online experience. www.yahoo7.com.au

Please can anyone help with my search for my 2xggrandfather Charles FLETCHER in the 1841 Census. He was born in 1787 in Newark Nottinghamshire and moved to Manchester c 1820. He was a clerk and bookkeeper. By 1841 his wife Elizabeth had died (date unknown) and he may then have been living with a second partner/housekeeper also named Elizabeth and his children Mary b.1814, William b. 1815, Sarah Tettle b. 1817, Ann b.1819 (all 4 born in Newark), Henry b,1823 and John Francis b.1825 (both born in Manchester) The first address I have for him is in the 1824-5 Pigot and Dean's directory when he is living at 29 Bridgewater Street, Salford, and he is listed as a malt and flour dealer. An unidentified directory for the same time frame lists him as a malt and hop dealer (agent). I know that he had connections with Holes Brewery in Newark and Strangeways Brewery in Manchester and that he retained his own malt office in Newark for some time. Chorlton Row is cited as his address on his son's birth certificate in 1825. By 1828 he had moved to Wilton Street, Oxford Street. He signs the register at his son William's marriage in April 1841 and his daughter Ann's in 1845 - his occupation is given as 'agent' both times. Pigot's 1841 directory has a Charles FLETCHER at 3 Princess Street listed as a conveyancer. A step too far, perhaps? I have trawled the Genes Reunited site and I may have located them all living in 'Chorlton' - but of course that is all the free information I can get without joining. I do have the Stepping Stones CD of the 1841 Census, but there is no person index to it - only an area index. It is a very slow and painful task then to go through every street and court and yard in the hope that ancestors can be found. Would be grateful for any help. Ruth