On 26 Jul 2008 at 18:54, Lynne wrote: > Hi Keith > > You wrote: > > >Hi list > > I can"t trace my ancester after the 1861 census he or his family are not on the 1871 census, his wife is widowed in 1881, >but I can"t trace his death, as anyone got any ideas I can persue? > > > It's difficult to speculate. Perhaps the surname was misspelled in > the 1871 census and/or on his death cert. or the family was out of the > country in 1871. This happened to me and turned out to be a mispelled entry.

Hi list I can"t trace my ancester after the 1861 census he or his family are not on the 1871 census, his wife is widowed in 1881, but I can"t trace his death, as anyone got any ideas I can persue? Keith ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

Hi Keith You wrote: >Hi list > I can"t trace my ancester after the 1861 census he or his family are not on the 1871 census, his wife is widowed in 1881, >but I can"t trace his death, as anyone got any ideas I can persue? It's difficult to speculate. Perhaps the surname was misspelled in the 1871 census and/or on his death cert. or the family was out of the country in 1871. If you'll provide more information about him -- name, wife's name, birth dates and places, the household from the 1861 census -- perhaps someone will be able to help. Lynne

Congratulations on a Great Job, what would we do without you All Thanks & Best Wishes Joyce Sanderson > Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:39:14 -0400> From: rwlist.admin@gmail.com> To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com; eng-manchester@rootsweb.com; eng-lan-fylde@rootsweb.com; eng-lan-wigan@rootsweb.com; eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ENG-MAN] LancashireBMD update> > Another addition to http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk -> > > 21 July 2008 > > Births> Added 36,473 births for Wigan & Leigh RD comprising: Ashton> (1916-1921); Aspull (1917-1922); Atherton (1916-1921); Culcheth> (1916-1921); Hindley (1916-1921); Leigh (1916-1921); Lowton> (1916-1921); Orrell (1916-1921); Pemberton (1916-1921); Standish> (1917-1921); Wigan (1902-1921); Wigan (Central) (1917-1920); Wigan> (East) (1916-1920); Wigan (West) (1917-1920)> > > 19 July 2008 > > Marriages> Added 6,039 marriages for Salford RD comprising: All church and> Register Office/Registrar Attended marriages (1922-1923)> > Added 21,001 marriages for Bolton RD comprising: All church and> Register Office/Registrar Attended marriages (1900-1909)> > > > Many thanks to all involved!> > Lynne> > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~> > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list.> Other people can learn from them!> > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Meet singles near you. Try ninemsn dating now! http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdating%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fchannel%2Findex%2Easpx%3Ftrackingid%3D1046247&_t=773166080&_r=WL_TAGLINE&_m=EXT

Another addition to http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk - 21 July 2008 Births Added 36,473 births for Wigan & Leigh RD comprising: Ashton (1916-1921); Aspull (1917-1922); Atherton (1916-1921); Culcheth (1916-1921); Hindley (1916-1921); Leigh (1916-1921); Lowton (1916-1921); Orrell (1916-1921); Pemberton (1916-1921); Standish (1917-1921); Wigan (1902-1921); Wigan (Central) (1917-1920); Wigan (East) (1916-1920); Wigan (West) (1917-1920) 19 July 2008 Marriages Added 6,039 marriages for Salford RD comprising: All church and Register Office/Registrar Attended marriages (1922-1923) Added 21,001 marriages for Bolton RD comprising: All church and Register Office/Registrar Attended marriages (1900-1909) Many thanks to all involved! Lynne

I have a correspondent who would like to join the site..I just can't remember what she has to do to join up. (it's an age thing!) Could you please mail me details. Regards Jackie

Ruth wrote: "If you go to (http://www.historicaldirectories.org) home page and click on History Notes on the left hand side of the page all will be revealed. There are pages of explanation there." Thanks Ruth - it's a good thing some people browse and read thoroughly! And yes, it does answer the question/s. Pat W

Hi Jackie You wrote: > I have a correspondent who would like to join the site..I just can't remember what she has to do to join up. (it's an age thing!) > Could you please mail me details. The easiest thing is to point your friend to the list's information page at <http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MANCHESTER.html>. The site contains information about the list as well as subscription instructions. Best wishes, Lynne

All that I can add is that there was a finite time between collecting the information and printing the directoy. I have an instance where the person listed as "head of the business" had died 18 months before the date of the directory. Just something else to bear in mind. Heather Irene Marlborough wrote: > Pat W. wrote: > > "Does anyone know how the information was collected? I wonder if it was house to house enquiries and that is why some house numbers are missing - or even whole streets in some areas." > > I don't know about your ancestors but mine rarely spent more than a year at the same address. I can imagine that in some areas it would hardly be worth listing the occupants as by the time the directory was produced, it would all have changed. But really, I have no idea about any of it. I'd be glad to hear the opinions of other listers. > > Regards, Irene >

There are directories and there are directories! If you go to the _www.historicaldirectories.org_ (http://www.historicaldirectories.org) home page and click on History Notes on the left hand side of the page all will be revealed. There are pages of explanation there. Well worth spending a bit of time reading it all - it expanded my thinking and the knowledge I've gained has been incalcuable. For me, it's all about context. A few directories in their opening pages (Preface/Address/ or whatever) will tell you when and how the information was collected but you may have to look hard for that info. Hope this helps. Enjoy! Ruth

Thanks Lynne, I wonder how many of the list had to try that one! I did! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynne To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:12 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] MCL parish register copies by mail > snip If you scroll down to the bottom of the page you'll see "Further information" underneath which is a link to "Copying from Parish Registers". Click on that and it will simply take you back to the same page. Wheeee! <vbg> Lynne

Hi Lists, Thank you for all the information that you all sent to me, last night and some I received this morning, about Frank MOLLOY and ARMSTRONG family. I would like to thank:- Ann, Rose, Mike, Jane, Arthur, Jo-Ann, Bernard Graham & Viv I hope I have not forgotten anyone, if I have please let me know as I am most grateful to everyone, and also to Lynne for allowing me to keep my old e.mail address. I am sure I have forgotten someone? I shall now start by obtaining the certificate off Frank's brother James M. Molloy on BMD to see who his mother is (assuming that this is Martin Molloy's son). I am most grateful to both of these lists. Best wishes to you all, you really are helpful. Gisela Australia

Pat W. wrote: "Does anyone know how the information was collected? I wonder if it was house to house enquiries and that is why some house numbers are missing - or even whole streets in some areas." Hmmm, Pat, what an interesting question. And I have no idea about the answer. Perhaps someone else might know. In many areas the directories do seem to be just for trades. I can never find my north east coal miners in any of them. However, Manchester and perhaps other large cities like Liverpool, London, Birmingham etc. chose to include a street by street list of inhabitants. Perhaps it sold more directories. In the days before telephone directories, it would have been useful to many people to have these lists. I find it useful to "walk" down the longer streets and note the cross-streets as they appear. It's almost as good as a map. And sometimes it can explain why the census enumerator did odd things. It's often because a house was on a corner or there was a house that had a back door on one street and a front door on another. My mother tells a story about her aunts who used to visit her corner house in Levenshulme when she was a child. The aunts were sisters who hadn't spoken to each other for years. They seemed to have ESP about the whereabouts of the other. One aunt would be sitting in the back parlour sipping tea and then would suddenly leap to her feet and rush out of the side door. At the same moment the other sister would walk in the front door (which was a shop). They were a very eccentric family and there are lots of similar stories. But back to the directories.... I don't know about your ancestors but mine rarely spent more than a year at the same address. I can imagine that in some areas it would hardly be worth listing the occupants as by the time the directory was produced, it would all have changed. But really, I have no idea about any of it. I'd be glad to hear the opinions of other listers. Regards, Irene

I've been watching all emails on this Rootsweb List and have to pose the question - does Mike Morris ever have a break from map searching, etc.? I've never had the need to ask him a question and am totally amazed at his readiness to assist, considering he was offline for a while due to ill health. Carol from Warners Bay in New South Wales, Australia

Hi Daryl, This looks like him... Name: George Howland Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Son Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Chipping Wycombe Ecclesiastical parish: Oxford County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Wycombe Sub registration district: High Wycombe ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 222 Household Members: Name Age Smith Arn 18 Caroline Howland 8 Mo Eliza Howland 5 Frederk Howland 16 George Howland 14 Henry Howland 6 Mary Howland 40 Mary Howland 12 Solomon Howland 8 Green Thos 16 I will send you the image. Regards, Lorraine Can someone remind me? Was the water damaged census the 1861? I'm trying to find George Howland, born 1848 in High Wycombe. Father is Solomon Howland. Mother is Ann Willoughby. I've got him for 1851, 1871, and 1881, but not a trace of any of them for 1861. In 1851, they were at 28 Newland in High Wycombe.1871 George was in H.W. 1881 George was in Manchester. Thanks in advance, Daryl

Manchester Central Library (MCL) appear to have reinstated their service of copying from parish registers. > We are now able to offer a postal service for copies from the > microfilms of some parish registers. To find out whether we hold the > microfilm copies of registers of a particular parish please check this > church register guide (microfilms are listed as MFPR). > > We cannot accept orders for copies from pre-printed registers: > > * pre-1813 for baptisms and burials > * pre-1754 for marriages > * all pre-1837 Nonconformist registers > > Copies are only supplied if the precise church name (e.g. Hulme St > Paul) and date (day and month as well as year) are quoted. See <http://www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?categoryID=448&documentID=464&pageNumber=4> or <http://tinyurl.com/5npvg6> for more information. If you scroll down to the bottom of the page you'll see "Further information" underneath which is a link to "Copying from Parish Registers". Click on that and it will simply take you back to the same page. Wheeee! <vbg> Lynne

Thankyou Irene for your usual pearls of wisdom (even though it wasn't meant for me personally). I have been on the site before, but didn't think about using it as a street index for householders - I assumed it was all trades. Does anyone know how the information was collected? I wonder if it was house to house enquiries and that is why some house numbers are missing - or even whole streets in some areas. Pat W ----- Original Message ----- From: Irene Marlborough To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] 1891 & 1902 lookup please Have you tried using the Historical Directories site at http://www.historicaldirectories.org? There are name directories and street directories. You can either look up the name of your man or look up the address and find out who was living there at the time of the directory. In this way you can also pick up the names of likely neighbours who might still be around for the censuses. Then a search for the neighbours should get the address you want on the census. The address directories are in alphabetic order of street names. Regards, Irene

Hi Carol, thank you, that was such a nice compliment. Believe me I do have another life, but I like the queries that pop up on the lists they are a challenge, its like a morning crossword puzzle that has to be filled in before the day begins, I can sit at my command post, with a cup of tea. Then get engrossed or carried away. The mental images flow. I can picture the route along Rochdale road that I use to cycle when I lived in Middleton and worked in central Manchester close to Piccadilly in Ancoats. The same applied to the various ways/routes to get to a poplar entertainment area known as Belle Vue to the south east of the city. I have walked these streets and roads many times. They look great distances on a map, but the people, the shops and general goings on, made for an interesting walk back to the area by the Manchester cathedral, where I would catch a bus to get to Middleton. I did this most Saturday afternoons coming from a roller skating rink to the south of Belle Vue. It took over an hour. But I had time to kill. Wartime Hulme is another area. It wasn't just rows and rows of terraced houses. Amongst the rows of houses were shops, pubs, pie shops, fish and chips. Off licence stores that sold food and drink. The main road such as Stretford road was full of shops all the way west to Stretford. Streets such as Jackson street, Preston street through to Alexander road in Moss Side were actually busy main roads that ran from Oxford road close to the Manchester town centre down to Stretford road. This ran through Chorlton on Medlock and Hulme into Moss Side and was lined with shops and seven movie houses and two live theatres. Buses and trams ran in what seemed like minutes, not a half hour wait for the next one. Honest! I am delighted when I can use my memory, do some detective work and locate through odd clues a past address. I feel I am doing my bit like so many others on the list to help other list members and make this an interesting hobby. Hopefully we shall attract lots of new members that will stick around and enjoy the Lancashire humour, the stories and our company. I can conjure up a mental picture of the view from Cambridge street a short distance to the west from Oxford road. I could look from this street further west and have an unobstructed view all the way to Jackson street. There were no houses it was flattened. Yet Gaythorn gasworks was still standing as was the single small street I lived in named Daniel street. Those houses and buildings that were still standing had been standing in this spot since the mid 1800's Sorry!!! I do get carried away..................... grin All my best and my thanks Mike Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Battishill" <cbattishill1@optusnet.com.au> To: <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:26 AM > I've been watching all emails on this Rootsweb List and have to pose the > question - does Mike Morris ever have a break from map searching, etc.? > I've never had the need to ask him a question and am totally amazed at his > readiness to assist, considering he was offline for a while due to ill > health. > > Carol from Warners Bay in New South Wales, Australia > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Lorraine. That's the wrong George, I'm afraid. That George was born in 1846. My George was born in 1848. They are pretty closely related though. Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "lorraine.williams" <lorraine.williams@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] george howland/1861 census > Hi Daryl, > > This looks like him... > > Name: George Howland > Age: 14 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 > Relation: Son > Mother's Name: Mary > Gender: Male > Where born: Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England > > Civil Parish: Chipping Wycombe > Ecclesiastical parish: Oxford > County/Island: Buckinghamshire > Country: England > > Street address: > > Occupation: > > Condition as to marriage: View Image > > Registration district: Wycombe > Sub registration district: High Wycombe > ED, institution, or vessel: 4 > Neighbors: View others on page > Household schedule number: 222 > Household Members: Name Age > Smith Arn 18 > Caroline Howland 8 Mo > Eliza Howland 5 > Frederk Howland 16 > George Howland 14 > Henry Howland 6 > Mary Howland 40 > Mary Howland 12 > Solomon Howland 8 > Green Thos 16 > > I will send you the image. > > Regards, > > > Lorraine > > > > Can someone remind me? Was the water damaged census the 1861? > > I'm trying to find George Howland, born 1848 in High Wycombe. Father is > Solomon Howland. Mother is Ann Willoughby. I've got him for 1851, 1871, > and > 1881, but not a trace of any of them for 1861. In 1851, they were at 28 > Newland in High Wycombe.1871 George was in H.W. 1881 George was in > Manchester. > > Thanks in advance, > Daryl > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can someone remind me? Was the water damaged census the 1861? I'm trying to find George Howland, born 1848 in High Wycombe. Father is Solomon Howland. Mother is Ann Willoughby. I've got him for 1851, 1871, and 1881, but not a trace of any of them for 1861. In 1851, they were at 28 Newland in High Wycombe.1871 George was in H.W. 1881 George was in Manchester. Thanks in advance, Daryl