Hi Mike! You mention the Gaythorn Gas works in your email below and I wondered if this was situated on Gaythorn Street. I have just discovered that members of my family were living on this street in the 1900's and I would be delighted if you could describe it to me. I enjoyed walking through the streets of Manchester with you, you paint a vivid picture. Many thanks and regards Ann in Aus. -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Mike Morris Sent: Friday, 25 July 2008 2:42 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Mike Morris Hi Carol, thank you, that was such a nice compliment. Believe me I do have another life, but I like the queries that pop up on the lists they are a challenge, its like a morning crossword puzzle that has to be filled in before the day begins, I can sit at my command post, with a cup of tea. Then get engrossed or carried away. The mental images flow. I can picture the route along Rochdale road that I use to cycle when I lived in Middleton and worked in central Manchester close to Piccadilly in Ancoats. The same applied to the various ways/routes to get to a poplar entertainment area known as Belle Vue to the south east of the city. I have walked these streets and roads many times. They look great distances on a map, but the people, the shops and general goings on, made for an interesting walk back to the area by the Manchester cathedral, where I would catch a bus to get to Middleton. I did this most Saturday afternoons coming from a roller skating rink to the south of Belle Vue. It took over an hour. But I had time to kill. Wartime Hulme is another area. It wasn't just rows and rows of terraced houses. Amongst the rows of houses were shops, pubs, pie shops, fish and chips. Off licence stores that sold food and drink. The main road such as Stretford road was full of shops all the way west to Stretford. Streets such as Jackson street, Preston street through to Alexander road in Moss Side were actually busy main roads that ran from Oxford road close to the Manchester town centre down to Stretford road. This ran through Chorlton on Medlock and Hulme into Moss Side and was lined with shops and seven movie houses and two live theatres. Buses and trams ran in what seemed like minutes, not a half hour wait for the next one. Honest! I am delighted when I can use my memory, do some detective work and locate through odd clues a past address. I feel I am doing my bit like so many others on the list to help other list members and make this an interesting hobby. Hopefully we shall attract lots of new members that will stick around and enjoy the Lancashire humour, the stories and our company. I can conjure up a mental picture of the view from Cambridge street a short distance to the west from Oxford road. I could look from this street further west and have an unobstructed view all the way to Jackson street. There were no houses it was flattened. Yet Gaythorn gasworks was still standing as was the single small street I lived in named Daniel street. Those houses and buildings that were still standing had been standing in this spot since the mid 1800's Sorry!!! I do get carried away..................... grin All my best and my thanks Mike Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Battishill" <cbattishill1@optusnet.com.au> To: <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:26 AM > I've been watching all emails on this Rootsweb List and have to pose the > question - does Mike Morris ever have a break from map searching, etc.? > I've never had the need to ask him a question and am totally amazed at his > readiness to assist, considering he was offline for a while due to ill > health. > > Carol from Warners Bay in New South Wales, Australia > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1571 - Release Date: 7/24/2008 5:42 PM

Hi Mike I'm having a look now and I've found a Thomas SPRAY who died that way! Nothing on James yet. Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Manchester Deaths dated 1842 > Any chance you can locate a news article on the death of a James > PARSONAGE?. > James died the 28 of August in 1847 at the age of 28, in Audenshaw, from > injuries sustained when several railway dirt wagons ran over him. > > Kind regards and in anticipation my thanks > > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <arcmikmum@talktalk.net> > To: "Manchester" <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Lancsgen" <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 12:29 PM > >> Taken from the Manchester Times and Gazette >> >> Saturday, Oct 8, 1842 >> >> On the 26th ult., aged 65 years, Mary, relict of the late Lionel LLOYD, >> Esq., of this town. >> >> On the 4th inst., at Derby House, Ardwick Place, Mrs SHUTTLEWORTH, wife >> of >> John SHUTTLEWORTH, Esq., stamp distributor for this district. <snip> > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Taken from the Manchester Times and Gazette Saturday, Oct 8, 1842 On the 26th ult., aged 65 years, Mary, relict of the late Lionel LLOYD, Esq., of this town. On the 4th inst., at Derby House, Ardwick Place, Mrs SHUTTLEWORTH, wife of John SHUTTLEWORTH, Esq., stamp distributor for this district. On the 30th ult., Mabel Louisa, wif of Mr Robert BARNES, Brook Side, near Rusholme. On the 1st inst., awfully sudden, aged 53 years, Mr. William GREENWOOD, of this town. On the 30th ult., aged 23 years, George, only son of Mrs. MAWN, Aldred Steet, Salford. On the 4th inst., Mary, relict of the late Mr. James DUNCUFT, of Hollinwood. On the 29th ult., at his house, in Islington Square, Salford, in his 66th year, Mr. John DOWNES. On the 25th ult., in her 73rd year, Margaret, relict of the late Mr. Thomas SWANWICK, butcher, Chapel Street, Salford. On the 7th inst., aged one year and two months, Fanny, youngest daughter of Mr. John TAYLOR, of Clifford Street, Chorlton. On the 29th ult., Jane, second surving daughter of the late Bernard Hartley GREEN, Esq., of Islington, Salford. On the 2d inst., aged 72 years, Elizabeth, relict of the late Mr. Charles WALKER, of Grove Mills, Cheshire. On the 19th ult., aged 80 years, Martha, wife of Mr. John ENTWHISTLE, Park Street, Red Bank. On the 2d inst., at Higher Hall, near Leigh, in his 59th year, J. H. KEARSLEY, Esq., late M.P for Wigan. On the 5th inst., aged 72, Wm. BARRATT, Esq., of Newton Heath, senior partner in the house of "Messrs. John BARRAT and Sons," of this town. He was much respected; was a warm friend to the principles of civil and religious liberty, and his liberality and strenuous personal exertions for the promotion of those principles will be long remembered by all who knew him.

Thank you Mike, you're a star you. Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] 1891 & 1902 lookup please DUFFY > They all were e-mailed to you including Henry Court. > > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <arcmikmum@talktalk.net> > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] 1891 & 1902 lookup please DUFFY > > >> Me please Mike >> >> Jane :o) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 3:02 PM >> >>>I have a map section showing Wood street in 1894 in Hulme. But I dont >>>know >>> who this should be sent to? Is it Fran or is it Jane? <snip> > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's really interesting, because Bamford is still THE place to live in Rochdale! You didn't walk all that way from Hulme did you, Mike? Pat W ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Morris To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Mike Morris >snip In the Bamford area near Rochdale, there were a row of terraced cottages. I remember seeing the foundations of brick outhouses along the lane. Each home had its own toilet, but you had to walk across the lane in front of the cottage to go to the Loo. I can imagine the drapes being pulled to one side an the misses saying " Eeh! Albert I see Martha is off to the toilet " >snip

Taken from the Manchester Times and Gazette Saturday, Oct 8, 1842 On the 1st inst., at the Collegiate Church, by the Rev. J. HOLLIST., Mr Longworth WILDING, of this town, to Jane, daughter of Mr. Thomas OWEN, of Shrewsbury. On the 5th inst., at the same place, by the Rev. R. C. CLIFTON, M.A., Mr John James TAYLOR, of this town, to Jane, eldest daughter of Samuel HINDLEY, Esq., Higher Broughton. Same day and place, by the Rev. J. DALLAS, M.A., Sigismond James STERN, Esq., to Margaret, daughter of the late Thomas SHARP, Esq., of Rusholme. On the 6th inst., at the same place, Wilhelm Adolph STEINAW, Esq., merchant, to Sarah JAne, eldest daughter of Charles TAYLOR, Esq., of this town. Same day and place, Mr Joe LUCKMAN, of this town, to Miss Elizabeth SPEAR, of the same place. On the 2nd inst., Mr Henry COLEMAN, Long Buckly, Northamptonshire, to Emma, eldest daughter of Mr James ROGERSON, of this town. On the 5th inst., at St James Church, Liverpool, by the Rev. H. HAMPTON, Mr. W. H. FURNISS, to Sarah Anne, daughter of J. E. MARSHALL, Esq.

Yes please Mike, thats me too. Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] 1891 & 1902 lookup please DUFFY >I also located Henrys court in 1844 and 1851. Please contact me who ever it > was that might want the map sections. > > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:02 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] 1891 & 1902 lookup please DUFFY > > >>I have a map section showing Wood street in 1894 in Hulme. But I dont know >> who this should be sent to? Is it Fran or is it Jane? >> >> Mike Morris >> Toronto Cnada >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <arcmikmum@talktalk.net> >> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:09 AM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] 1891 & 1902 lookup please DUFFY >> >> >>> Hi Fran >>> >>> I've got Terence DUFFY b c1811 Ireland, he married Jane SMITH b c1811 >>> Lancashire in 1828 at Manchester Cathedral. There children are: >>> James b1832 Manchester >>> Susannah b1834 Manchester >>> John b1837 Manchester >>> Thomas b1840 Manchester >>> William b 1844 Manchester >>> >>> I have the family in 1841 at Henry Court, Ancoats, Manchester, I can't >>> find >>> them in 1851, by 1861 Terence has remarried Ellen KINSEY b1821 Ireland >>> and >>> is at 16 Henry Court, Henry St, Ancoats with son William. I can't find >>> him >>> after this. >>> >>> In 1841 there is an Ellen McCLOUGHLAND b c1811 Ireland who I think is >>> Terence's sister, I've found a marriage on the IGI for Ellen DUFFY to >>> John >>> McLOUGHLIN in 1826 Manchester Cathedral. The only doubt I have on this >>> is >>> the children, as the first 3 were born in Ireland. Ellen's children are: >>> Charles b1831 Ireland >>> Ellen b1831 Ireland >>> Mary b1834 Ireland >>> Ann b 1840 Lancashire >>> >>> I can find none of these in 1851 either! If Ellen is Terence's sister, I >>> believe her daughter Mary married Louis KINDERMAN, in 1861 they're at 49 >>> Wood St, Hulme and Mary's place of birth is Sumster, Ireland which may >>> be >>> a >>> clue as to where in Ireland the Duffy's came from. Mary died in 1866. >>> >>> Give me the full details of yours, I'll see if I can find anything else. >>> >>> Jane :o) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <francesw1@gmail.com> >>> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:22 AM >>> Subject: Re: DUFFY >>> >>> >>>> Hi Jane, >>>> My Duffy's also came from Ireland. Bridget Duffy born 1829 married >>>> Denis >>>> Clancy born 1827. I cannot find a marriage and have assumed they >>>> married >>>> in >>>> Ireland. >>>> He was in the 97th Regiment of Foot. In the 1851 Census he is recorded >>>> at >>>> Hythe Barracks Kent. >>>> He then died in The Pireaus Greece after 1 day in hospital probably >>>> from >>>> cholera in 1854. >>>> My GGGrandmother then moved to Manchester with her daughter, my >>>> GGrandmother >>>> Sarah Anne Clancy. >>>> They may have moved there because they already had family there or >>>> maybe >>>> because of work. >>>> I would love to find out more about the Duffy's but cannot trace them >>>> back >>>> in Ireland and cannot find a marriage in England. Also can only find >>>> Bridget >>>> before the 1871 Census. >>>> This probably isn't much help to you, >>>> Cheers >>>> Fran >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >>> >>> Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >>> Other people can learn from them! >>> >>> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >> >> Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >> Other people can learn from them! >> >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Me please Mike Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] 1891 & 1902 lookup please DUFFY >I have a map section showing Wood street in 1894 in Hulme. But I dont know > who this should be sent to? Is it Fran or is it Jane? > > Mike Morris > Toronto Cnada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <arcmikmum@talktalk.net> > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:09 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] 1891 & 1902 lookup please DUFFY > > >> Hi Fran >> >> I've got Terence DUFFY b c1811 Ireland, he married Jane SMITH b c1811 >> Lancashire in 1828 at Manchester Cathedral. There children are: >> James b1832 Manchester >> Susannah b1834 Manchester >> John b1837 Manchester >> Thomas b1840 Manchester >> William b 1844 Manchester >> >> I have the family in 1841 at Henry Court, Ancoats, Manchester, I can't >> find >> them in 1851, by 1861 Terence has remarried Ellen KINSEY b1821 Ireland >> and >> is at 16 Henry Court, Henry St, Ancoats with son William. I can't find >> him >> after this. >> >> In 1841 there is an Ellen McCLOUGHLAND b c1811 Ireland who I think is >> Terence's sister, I've found a marriage on the IGI for Ellen DUFFY to >> John >> McLOUGHLIN in 1826 Manchester Cathedral. The only doubt I have on this is >> the children, as the first 3 were born in Ireland. Ellen's children are: >> Charles b1831 Ireland >> Ellen b1831 Ireland >> Mary b1834 Ireland >> Ann b 1840 Lancashire >> >> I can find none of these in 1851 either! If Ellen is Terence's sister, I >> believe her daughter Mary married Louis KINDERMAN, in 1861 they're at 49 >> Wood St, Hulme and Mary's place of birth is Sumster, Ireland which may be >> a >> clue as to where in Ireland the Duffy's came from. Mary died in 1866. >> >> Give me the full details of yours, I'll see if I can find anything else. >> >> Jane :o) >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <francesw1@gmail.com> >> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:22 AM >> Subject: Re: DUFFY >> >> >>> Hi Jane, >>> My Duffy's also came from Ireland. Bridget Duffy born 1829 married >>> Denis >>> Clancy born 1827. I cannot find a marriage and have assumed they >>> married >>> in >>> Ireland. >>> He was in the 97th Regiment of Foot. In the 1851 Census he is recorded >>> at >>> Hythe Barracks Kent. >>> He then died in The Pireaus Greece after 1 day in hospital probably from >>> cholera in 1854. >>> My GGGrandmother then moved to Manchester with her daughter, my >>> GGrandmother >>> Sarah Anne Clancy. >>> They may have moved there because they already had family there or maybe >>> because of work. >>> I would love to find out more about the Duffy's but cannot trace them >>> back >>> in Ireland and cannot find a marriage in England. Also can only find >>> Bridget >>> before the 1871 Census. >>> This probably isn't much help to you, >>> Cheers >>> Fran >>> >> >> >> >> >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >> >> Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >> Other people can learn from them! >> >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Any chance you can locate a news article on the death of a James PARSONAGE?. James died the 28 of August in 1847 at the age of 28, in Audenshaw, from injuries sustained when several railway dirt wagons ran over him. Kind regards and in anticipation my thanks Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <arcmikmum@talktalk.net> To: "Manchester" <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Lancsgen" <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 12:29 PM > Taken from the Manchester Times and Gazette > > Saturday, Oct 8, 1842 > > On the 26th ult., aged 65 years, Mary, relict of the late Lionel LLOYD, > Esq., of this town. > > On the 4th inst., at Derby House, Ardwick Place, Mrs SHUTTLEWORTH, wife of > John SHUTTLEWORTH, Esq., stamp distributor for this district. <snip>

Hi Pat, Those cottages on a winters night looked warm and cosy. Most use an orange coloured bulb to illuminate the main room. This room was just about big enough for a fireplace, two very large soft armchairs and a small dining table with chairs. Its surprising what you can see when you are being 'nosey' and glancing into their living area on the way to the pub. The toilets are now inside somewhere. If you know the area it was across the road from the Winston Churchill pub, a small lane off the main road leading to Bury from Rochdale. I had not walked this route but at one time on a trip to England I did a run from Middleton through Heywood with my brother in law who was at that time a marathon runner. I had to call 'Uncle' when I got to the top of the hill leading from Heywood. I was close to the Crimble in Bamford and almost on my knees............... Mike Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "patricia williams" <pat.williams121@virgin.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:43 AM > That's really interesting, because Bamford is still THE place to live in > Rochdale! You didn't walk all that way from Hulme did you, Mike? > Pat W

Hi Fran I've got Terence DUFFY b c1811 Ireland, he married Jane SMITH b c1811 Lancashire in 1828 at Manchester Cathedral. There children are: James b1832 Manchester Susannah b1834 Manchester John b1837 Manchester Thomas b1840 Manchester William b 1844 Manchester I have the family in 1841 at Henry Court, Ancoats, Manchester, I can't find them in 1851, by 1861 Terence has remarried Ellen KINSEY b1821 Ireland and is at 16 Henry Court, Henry St, Ancoats with son William. I can't find him after this. In 1841 there is an Ellen McCLOUGHLAND b c1811 Ireland who I think is Terence's sister, I've found a marriage on the IGI for Ellen DUFFY to John McLOUGHLIN in 1826 Manchester Cathedral. The only doubt I have on this is the children, as the first 3 were born in Ireland. Ellen's children are: Charles b1831 Ireland Ellen b1831 Ireland Mary b1834 Ireland Ann b 1840 Lancashire I can find none of these in 1851 either! If Ellen is Terence's sister, I believe her daughter Mary married Louis KINDERMAN, in 1861 they're at 49 Wood St, Hulme and Mary's place of birth is Sumster, Ireland which may be a clue as to where in Ireland the Duffy's came from. Mary died in 1866. Give me the full details of yours, I'll see if I can find anything else. Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: <francesw1@gmail.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:22 AM Subject: Re: DUFFY > Hi Jane, > My Duffy's also came from Ireland. Bridget Duffy born 1829 married Denis > Clancy born 1827. I cannot find a marriage and have assumed they married > in > Ireland. > He was in the 97th Regiment of Foot. In the 1851 Census he is recorded at > Hythe Barracks Kent. > He then died in The Pireaus Greece after 1 day in hospital probably from > cholera in 1854. > My GGGrandmother then moved to Manchester with her daughter, my > GGrandmother > Sarah Anne Clancy. > They may have moved there because they already had family there or maybe > because of work. > I would love to find out more about the Duffy's but cannot trace them back > in Ireland and cannot find a marriage in England. Also can only find > Bridget > before the 1871 Census. > This probably isn't much help to you, > Cheers > Fran >

Hi folks, As some of you will know, there is currently free access to The Times Archive, a vast digital collection of The Times newspaper (as long as you register for free). Naturally one tends to think that this can't last long and it might end any day soon. However I was just browsing genealogy magazines in WHSmith and saw a page in a September issue of one of them which was telling readers about this free access. My guess is that if it is given as news in the September issue, then it must be going on for a little while yet. The magazine wouldn't want to lose face if they were wrong and in September or even perhaps October free access stopped. I imagine that the publishers of The Times are hoping to catch lots of us in its free trawl in order to end up with a greater number of subscriptions later. But don't count on my guess, get using it while it is still definitely free! Sally in Yorkshire

They all were e-mailed to you including Henry Court. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <arcmikmum@talktalk.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] 1891 & 1902 lookup please DUFFY > Me please Mike > > Jane :o) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 3:02 PM > >>I have a map section showing Wood street in 1894 in Hulme. But I dont know >> who this should be sent to? Is it Fran or is it Jane? <snip>

I also located Henrys court in 1844 and 1851. Please contact me who ever it was that might want the map sections. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] 1891 & 1902 lookup please DUFFY >I have a map section showing Wood street in 1894 in Hulme. But I dont know > who this should be sent to? Is it Fran or is it Jane? > > Mike Morris > Toronto Cnada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <arcmikmum@talktalk.net> > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:09 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] 1891 & 1902 lookup please DUFFY > > >> Hi Fran >> >> I've got Terence DUFFY b c1811 Ireland, he married Jane SMITH b c1811 >> Lancashire in 1828 at Manchester Cathedral. There children are: >> James b1832 Manchester >> Susannah b1834 Manchester >> John b1837 Manchester >> Thomas b1840 Manchester >> William b 1844 Manchester >> >> I have the family in 1841 at Henry Court, Ancoats, Manchester, I can't >> find >> them in 1851, by 1861 Terence has remarried Ellen KINSEY b1821 Ireland >> and >> is at 16 Henry Court, Henry St, Ancoats with son William. I can't find >> him >> after this. >> >> In 1841 there is an Ellen McCLOUGHLAND b c1811 Ireland who I think is >> Terence's sister, I've found a marriage on the IGI for Ellen DUFFY to >> John >> McLOUGHLIN in 1826 Manchester Cathedral. The only doubt I have on this is >> the children, as the first 3 were born in Ireland. Ellen's children are: >> Charles b1831 Ireland >> Ellen b1831 Ireland >> Mary b1834 Ireland >> Ann b 1840 Lancashire >> >> I can find none of these in 1851 either! If Ellen is Terence's sister, I >> believe her daughter Mary married Louis KINDERMAN, in 1861 they're at 49 >> Wood St, Hulme and Mary's place of birth is Sumster, Ireland which may be >> a >> clue as to where in Ireland the Duffy's came from. Mary died in 1866. >> >> Give me the full details of yours, I'll see if I can find anything else. >> >> Jane :o) >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <francesw1@gmail.com> >> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:22 AM >> Subject: Re: DUFFY >> >> >>> Hi Jane, >>> My Duffy's also came from Ireland. Bridget Duffy born 1829 married >>> Denis >>> Clancy born 1827. I cannot find a marriage and have assumed they >>> married >>> in >>> Ireland. >>> He was in the 97th Regiment of Foot. In the 1851 Census he is recorded >>> at >>> Hythe Barracks Kent. >>> He then died in The Pireaus Greece after 1 day in hospital probably from >>> cholera in 1854. >>> My GGGrandmother then moved to Manchester with her daughter, my >>> GGrandmother >>> Sarah Anne Clancy. >>> They may have moved there because they already had family there or maybe >>> because of work. >>> I would love to find out more about the Duffy's but cannot trace them >>> back >>> in Ireland and cannot find a marriage in England. Also can only find >>> Bridget >>> before the 1871 Census. >>> This probably isn't much help to you, >>> Cheers >>> Fran >>> >> >> >> >> >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >> >> Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >> Other people can learn from them! >> >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> Hello folks, and thanks to Mike for the map showing the Regent Road glassworks. Brilliant! Any chance of finding the other addresses? ...which were: 285 Eccles New Road, and nearby 2 Brooklyn Villas, and 2 Fairfield Villas, all 1871 Napier Street, Salford, 1881 31 Woodbine Street, Salford, 1871 33 River Street, Pendlebury, 1881 41 New River Street, Pendleton, 1891-1920 > >> Hi listers, >> Still in pursuit of glassworks and glass makers and glass >> manufacturers, I am hoping that Mike or someone else may be able to >> help me with the location of the Regent Road Flint Glass Works which >> was in Salford, operating from at least 1873 (unlikely to be there >> before 1872) until 1893. >> >> It was owned and operated by the DERBYSHIRE family, as one of three >> sites they used in Manchester. Kath on this list has been tirelessly >> working away to help me with the family - when we have got to some >> sort of satisfactory conclusion I will post a little bit about the >> DERBYSHIREs on this list for interest. >> >> In addition to the glassworks, I would like to know where the >> DERBYSHIRE's houses were in the vicinity. So if I could see any bits >> of maps which cover some of them, that would be great. >> >> 1. The glassworks itself: "Regent Road Flint Glass Works", Salford, >> between abt 1872 and 1893. >> I have no exact address but it is likely to be close to the addresses >> of Eccles New Road, Brooklyn Villas and Fairfield Villas. >> >> 2. 285 Eccles New Road, and nearby 2 Brooklyn Villas, and 2 Fairfield >> Villas, all 1871 >> >> 3. Napier Street, Salford, 1881 >> >> 4. 31 Woodbine Street, Salford, 1871 >> >> 5. 33 River Street, Pendlebury, 1881 >> >> 6. 41 New River Street, Pendleton, 1891-1920s >> >> Sally >> >> >> >> >> >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >> >> Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >> Other people can learn from them! >> >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG- >> MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> <Regent Glassworks. in 1894.JPG>

I have a map section showing Wood street in 1894 in Hulme. But I dont know who this should be sent to? Is it Fran or is it Jane? Mike Morris Toronto Cnada ----- Original Message ----- From: <arcmikmum@talktalk.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] 1891 & 1902 lookup please DUFFY > Hi Fran > > I've got Terence DUFFY b c1811 Ireland, he married Jane SMITH b c1811 > Lancashire in 1828 at Manchester Cathedral. There children are: > James b1832 Manchester > Susannah b1834 Manchester > John b1837 Manchester > Thomas b1840 Manchester > William b 1844 Manchester > > I have the family in 1841 at Henry Court, Ancoats, Manchester, I can't > find > them in 1851, by 1861 Terence has remarried Ellen KINSEY b1821 Ireland and > is at 16 Henry Court, Henry St, Ancoats with son William. I can't find him > after this. > > In 1841 there is an Ellen McCLOUGHLAND b c1811 Ireland who I think is > Terence's sister, I've found a marriage on the IGI for Ellen DUFFY to John > McLOUGHLIN in 1826 Manchester Cathedral. The only doubt I have on this is > the children, as the first 3 were born in Ireland. Ellen's children are: > Charles b1831 Ireland > Ellen b1831 Ireland > Mary b1834 Ireland > Ann b 1840 Lancashire > > I can find none of these in 1851 either! If Ellen is Terence's sister, I > believe her daughter Mary married Louis KINDERMAN, in 1861 they're at 49 > Wood St, Hulme and Mary's place of birth is Sumster, Ireland which may be > a > clue as to where in Ireland the Duffy's came from. Mary died in 1866. > > Give me the full details of yours, I'll see if I can find anything else. > > Jane :o) > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <francesw1@gmail.com> > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:22 AM > Subject: Re: DUFFY > > >> Hi Jane, >> My Duffy's also came from Ireland. Bridget Duffy born 1829 married Denis >> Clancy born 1827. I cannot find a marriage and have assumed they married >> in >> Ireland. >> He was in the 97th Regiment of Foot. In the 1851 Census he is recorded >> at >> Hythe Barracks Kent. >> He then died in The Pireaus Greece after 1 day in hospital probably from >> cholera in 1854. >> My GGGrandmother then moved to Manchester with her daughter, my >> GGrandmother >> Sarah Anne Clancy. >> They may have moved there because they already had family there or maybe >> because of work. >> I would love to find out more about the Duffy's but cannot trace them >> back >> in Ireland and cannot find a marriage in England. Also can only find >> Bridget >> before the 1871 Census. >> This probably isn't much help to you, >> Cheers >> Fran >> > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a Eugene/Owen DUFFY who married Annie McLOUGHLIN around 1913 in Manchester. But we dont make a connection. This DUFFY came with his parents from Sligo on the west side of Ireland. The family settled in Manchester after 1901 (not sure of what year) Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <arcmikmum@talktalk.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:09 AM > > I've got Terence DUFFY b c1811 Ireland, he married Jane SMITH b c1811 > Lancashire in 1828 at Manchester Cathedral. There children are: > James b1832 Manchester > Susannah b1834 Manchester > John b1837 Manchester > Thomas b1840 Manchester > William b 1844 Manchester > > I have the family in 1841 at Henry Court, Ancoats, Manchester, I can't > find > them in 1851, by 1861 Terence has remarried Ellen KINSEY b1821 Ireland and > is at 16 Henry Court, Henry St, Ancoats with son William. I can't find him > after this. > > In 1841 there is an Ellen McCLOUGHLAND b c1811 Ireland who I think is > Terence's sister, I've found a marriage on the IGI for Ellen DUFFY to John > McLOUGHLIN in 1826 Manchester Cathedral. The only doubt I have on this is > the children, as the first 3 were born in Ireland. Ellen's children are: > Charles b1831 Ireland > Ellen b1831 Ireland > Mary b1834 Ireland > Ann b 1840 Lancashire > > I can find none of these in 1851 either! If Ellen is Terence's sister, I > believe her daughter Mary married Louis KINDERMAN, in 1861 they're at 49 > Wood St, Hulme and Mary's place of birth is Sumster, Ireland which may be > a > clue as to where in Ireland the Duffy's came from. Mary died in 1866. > <snip>

Gaythorn street was at the south tail end of the old Central railway station. It appears that the street is named after the area Gaythorn not the gasworks. The map I have sent you does show Gaythorn gas works. Gaythorn street was on the south edge of the Rochdale canal. Not the best place to live in them days. I cannot remember these homes. I thought the home I lived in was small, but these dont even show a toilet area. In the Bamford area near Rochdale, there were a row of terraced cottages. I remember seeing the foundations of brick outhouses along the lane. Each home had its own toilet, but you had to walk across the lane in front of the cottage to go to the Loo. I can imagine the drapes being pulled to one side an the misses saying " Eeh! Albert I see Martha is off to the toilet " Cheers Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Barker" <annstu132@aapt.net.au> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 7:38 AM! > > You mention the Gaythorn Gas works in your email below and I wondered if > this was situated on Gaythorn Street. I have just discovered that members > of my family were living on this street in the 1900's and I would be > delighted if you could describe it to me. <snip>

Thank you very much for all the reponses I received yesterday. I am posting here the reply I received from Manchester Archives at the Central Library, St Peter's Square, as it may be of help to someone else. << The original records for Rusholme Cemetery are held at The National Archives in London but we have microfilm copies here of the grave registers (1821-1933) on MFPR 868, interment registers (MFPR 869-870) and gravestone inscriptions (MFPR 1947). No booking is required to us the microfilm unit, which is based on the first floor and is open Mon-Thu 9-5 and Fri-Sat 9-5. >> I am beginning to feel more optimistic now as I have a number of leads to follow. My first attempt will be with Rusholme. Unfortunately the Archives don't do look-ups on film. I'm based in the very rural Midlands and can't get to London or Manchester easily. So, please would someone kindly do a look up for me in Manchester? I'm asking a lot, I know, as it's on film - all that winding! As I don't have a death date for Elizabeth, it could take a long time to find her. But I do have one for her husband Charles FLETCHER. I am working on a hunch that they may have been buried together and perhaps with their children. So I'm going to put Elizabeth on one side for the moment, and concentrate on her husband. Charles FLETCHER died 28th June 1866 aged 79 Elizabeth FLETCHER (nee COBB) died between 1825 and 1837 If Charles can't be found then I'll have to think further. Many thanks again. Ruth

Hi everyone and Mike in particular !! Thanks to the historical directories web site I've now found an address from 1883 and 1886 for the glass works - GLASSHOUSE ST,Regent rd. Logical I suppose :-) Cheers Kath