Hi Mike, Many thanks for the Stanley Street maps. I don't know the Manchester area at all so trust you implicity that the maps you have sent are the correct ones. I do appreciate the time you put into finding these maps and sharing them around. My Prince family were living in Stanley street 1841 census Elizabeth died here in 1847 by 1851 William had remarried and was living at Sale although the address isn't shown on the census apart from the previous family listed as being at Raddford Farm, in 1848 William was the owner of 139 Marsland Road Sale until his death in 1879 and I believe he lived there during this time. Thanks again Sandra Aus

Was it possible he attended Victoria University of Manchester? Did you look at the names for the surrounding streets and roads when you checked out the 1891 census? That would have helped narrow down the search. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eileen" <dublinswift@yahoo.com> To: <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 3:53 PM The BUCKLEY ancestor I am currently following is ALFRED BUCKLEY born 1865 in , The 1891 census shows he attended Withington College in Lancashire and studied Theology when he was 25 , I have traced him all the way to North Vancouver, Canada. Am interested in find out more about this college, and if it has any connection to The Victoria College he has also laid claim to attending. <snip>

You might want to consider St Bedes in the same area of Manchester as Withington. But I think it comes under Whalley Range. Its on Alexander road and east of Withington road. I was a catholic teaching college in the late 1800's. See www.stbedescollege.co.uk The following was taken from the above web site ............. When Cardinal Vaughan rented a house, 16 Devonshire Street, Grosvenor Square, off Oxford Road in December 1875 to be used as a school to educate the sons of Manchester Catholics, little did he realise that almost 125 years later nearly 1000 sons and daughters of Manchester Catholics would be on the roll of St Bede's - a far cry from the 14 boys who were divided into two forms when St Bede's Manchester College opened on 28th January 1876. It was the first school under the patronage of St Bede: possibly the name was chosen because the Cardinal's brother, a Benedictine and the Archbishop of Sidney, was Dom Bede Vaughan. In August 1877, the Manchester Aquarium on Alexandra Road and the plot of land around it was purchased by the then Bishop Vaughan for College purposes. On 10th September 1877, St Bede's College re-opened in the Manchester Aquarium with 45 pupils who were taught by 11 staff, 8 of them priests. In the late 1870s and early 1880s, the Vaughan building was constructed and in 1892, Salford Catholic Grammar School (the Diocesan Junior seminary) amalgamated with the College which duly became the place where over 500 priests, not to mention several Bishops and Archbishops, were educated. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eileen" <dublinswift@yahoo.com> To: <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 3:53 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] BUCKLEY, Alfred 1865-1947 Hello I am new to this list My name is Eileen I was born in Liverpool England, now living in Connecticut USA, and I am researching the BUCKLEY surname, my line starts in SCAMMONDEN, YORKSHIRE and migrates to Lancashire, " St.Helens, Liverpool, Newton Le Willows, Darwen." The BUCKLEY ancestor I am currently following is ALFRED BUCKLEY born 1865 in , The 1891 census shows he attended Withington College in Lancashire and studied Theology when he was 25 , I have traced him all the way to North Vancouver, Canada. Am interested in find out more about this college, and if it has any connection to The Victoria College he has also laid claim to attending. Can anyone help with this? Thank you Eileen ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sandra I live about a mile away from Marsland Road, and I actually work in the office block on the corner of Marsland Road. I will go and have a look at the house if you would like, let me know? Viv Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> wrote: Hi Sandra, I could not find the farm name, but did locate Marsland road in Sale, Cheshire and have sent you this map section. All my best Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Geddes 1" To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 5:37 AM William had remarried and was living at Sale although the address isn't shown on the census apart from the previous family listed as being at Raddford Farm, in 1848 William was the owner of 139 Marsland Road Sale until his death in 1879 and I believe he lived there during this time. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No Sorry Adrian my Elizabeth Prince was 37 years old when she died Sandra Vic Aus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Prince" <adrian.prince@y7mail.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Cemeteries > Sandra, > > This is a long shot but I've got an Eliza Prince born in Manchester in the > second quarter of 1843. Your Elizabeth wasn't by any chance 4 years old > when she died was she? > > Thanks > > Adrian Prince > Sunshine Coast > Australia > > >

Hello I am new to this list   My name is Eileen I was born in Liverpool England, now living in Connecticut USA, and I am researching the BUCKLEY surname, my line starts in SCAMMONDEN, YORKSHIRE and migrates to Lancashire,  " St.Helens, Liverpool, Newton Le Willows, Darwen."   The BUCKLEY ancestor I am currently following is ALFRED BUCKLEY born 1865 in , The 1891 census shows he attended Withington College in Lancashire and studied Theology when he was 25 , I have traced him all the way to North Vancouver, Canada.     Am interested in find out more about this college, and if it has any connection to The Victoria College he has also laid claim to attending. Can anyone help with this?     Thank you Eileen

Thank you Mike, and Vivien for clearing this up for me about Alexandra Road. I had got it into my head that "Moss Side" was adjoining Oxford Road, so I was too far east. (I have only a visitor's acquaintance with the city.) It makes sense now. Especially as the DERBYSHIRE glassmaking family had by the late 1870s generally gravitated south from their City Road, Hulme origins as they had prospered, into Stretford Road/ Old Trafford area. I suppose being a manufacturer who was doing well, the DERBYSHIRE who lived at Ebenezer House, Alexandra Road, Moss Side would have gone by horse and carriage to his works in Regent Road, and in any case he would have had a manager so didn't need to be there at odd hours. I don't know the number of Ebenezer House but will look into it. Kath on this list has sent me a great picture (from the M/c library's Local Image Collection) of where one of the DERBYSHIREs lived in the early 1870s - Melrose Lawn, 6 Alexandra Road South. Well actually the picture is of number 8 but it is clear that these were substantial properties. And not the Georgian merchant houses I was expecting. These are mid-Victorian detached. They must have been wonderful places to live in at the time - new, well-plumbed and well- ventilated. Several of them must have had a great view onto Alexandra Park. Sally in Yorkshire On 7 Aug 2008, at 21:14, Mike Morris wrote: > There were lots of large homes on the west side of Alexander road. > It was a > posh area :)) > > None with that name. But most homes did not show a name in 1894. I > dont have > a map of Moss Side in 1844 (Hint Hint) grin............ Anyone got > one to > spare, so I can help out the list? > > There was a street car/tram depot in the Whalley Range area, close to > Chorlton road. He could have hopped on one of them, or perhaps had > a horse > and carriage. If I could walk to work from Moss Side through to > Chester > road, I am sure he would have managed. The street car or what ever > would > have travelled up Chorlton road over Stretford road and met Chester > road. > Close to the glass factory. Probably about 20 minutes or less in a > carriage. > > Cheers > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sally Haden" <haden.sally@googlemail.com> > To: <ENG-MANCHESTER@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 3:09 PM> >> In my continuing pursuit of Manchester's Victorian glass makers and >> glass manufacturers, I have found that John DERBYSHIRE, one owner of >> the company which made the now-collectable Derbyshire pressed glass, >> was living in Moss Side from about 1873 to about 1878. It was an >> interesting address: "Ebenezer House, Alexandra Road, Moss Side" >> >> My question is, was Moss Side a 'posh' area at that time, or perhaps >> it had a few large old merchants' houses? >> >> John, as a glass manufacturer who was doing well, might be expected >> to live in quite a good house, but the puzzle is the area. It is in >> the opposite direction I would expect him to go. He grew up in Hulme >> and had recently opened a new glassworks in Salford on Regent Road, >> and his relatives were concentrated in Hulme, Stretford and Salford. >> It would be quite a distance for him to travel across the town to get >> to the Salford works, wouldn't it? >> >> There must have been a good reason for him to choose Moss Side. Can >> anyone tell me more, or even locate the address (Mike?!?). Does the >> house appear on the 1849 OS maps Mike? >> >> Perhaps the house (with that interesting name) was owned by a >> religious denomination and as a lay preacher he was renting it, or >> maybe he was there for the sake of his children's schooling.... >> <snip> > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG- > MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mike Thank you so much! I hadn't realise that Renshaw street was so close to Belle Vue. Nor that the area was considered to be part of West Gorton. I had a look on my current Manchester A-Z and the street must have been demolished or renamed as I can't locate it there. I know (or knew) Belle Vue really well! I'm sorry to be dumb but do you mean the old Belle Vue (which isn't there anymore) or the greyhound stadium where the speedway is held now? The latter is near the junction of Mount Road and Kikrmanshulme Road. We went to the Speedway regularly from when I was really small and I still went until recently. I can't climb the stairs in the greyhound stadium so haven't been for ages. Still follow the Aces tho when I can! In the news and so forth. As a by line - my dad's family all worked at the old Belle Vue for many years. You're a Star! Please let me know if I can help and pay you back for your generous help. Val Mike Morris wrote: > Hi Val, > Renshaw street was on the north side of Hyde road in West Gorton. Its not > near the maps I copied. Its close to the amusement park named Belle Vue, > opposite the speedway stadium. > > Will send you the map section showing Ducie street in 1844. > > I will look for St Clements church next. > Regards > Mike Morris > Topronto Canada > >

Hi Val, I have sent you the map sections showing Renshaw street and another with Belle Vue. Both from around 1898. I also went to the speedway at Belle Vue and the wrestling on a Saturday night. My dad went to the dog races. Happy memories Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <alicia.taylor1@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 5:58 AM I hadn't realise that Renshaw street was so close to > Belle Vue. Nor that the area was considered to be part of West Gorton. > I had a look on my current Manchester A-Z and the street must have been > demolished or renamed as I can't locate it there. I know (or knew) Belle > Vue really well! I'm sorry to be dumb but do you mean the old Belle Vue > (which isn't there anymore) or the greyhound stadium where the speedway > is held now? <snip>

Hi Sandra, I could not find the farm name, but did locate Marsland road in Sale, Cheshire and have sent you this map section. All my best Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Geddes 1" <sandrageddes@aanet.com.au> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 5:37 AM William had remarried and was living at Sale although the address isn't shown on the census apart from the previous family listed as being at Raddford Farm, in 1848 William was the owner of 139 Marsland Road Sale until his death in 1879 and I believe he lived there during this time. <snip>

I have the birth of an ancestor Christopher William Shepherd at 70, Silver Street in Hulme in 1862, his birth being registered by an Elizabeth Dale Can anyone tell me who was at this address at the time of the 1861 census? Was this a house or shop?? Many thanks. Rob

My parents and generations before them grew up in Hulme, the area next to Moss Side. My Dad has told me that Moss Side was considered 'posh' when he was a young boy. Alexandra Road still exists and is on the Whalley Range side of Moss Side (i.e. on the other side of Princess Road). It is a long road, and quite a few of the properties round there are large properties. There is a park - Alex Park on one side. According to my parents they often walked to Salford from Hulme and it was around a 15 minute walk, so I would estimate from Moss Side you could add on another 10 minutes. Have you looked on the central library website local image collection? There are photos of the houses on the Alexandra Road, do you have the number of the house? Viv Sally Haden <haden.sally@googlemail.com> wrote: Hi folks, In my continuing pursuit of Manchester's Victorian glass makers and glass manufacturers, I have found that John DERBYSHIRE, one owner of the company which made the now-collectable Derbyshire pressed glass, was living in Moss Side from about 1873 to about 1878. It was an interesting address: "Ebenezer House, Alexandra Road, Moss Side" My question is, was Moss Side a 'posh' area at that time, or perhaps it had a few large old merchants' houses? John, as a glass manufacturer who was doing well, might be expected to live in quite a good house, but the puzzle is the area. It is in the opposite direction I would expect him to go. He grew up in Hulme and had recently opened a new glassworks in Salford on Regent Road, and his relatives were concentrated in Hulme, Stretford and Salford. It would be quite a distance for him to travel across the town to get to the Salford works, wouldn't it? There must have been a good reason for him to choose Moss Side. Can anyone tell me more, or even locate the address (Mike?!?). Does the house appear on the 1849 OS maps Mike? Perhaps the house (with that interesting name) was owned by a religious denomination and as a lay preacher he was renting it, or maybe he was there for the sake of his children's schooling.... Any thoughts would be much appreciated! Sally in Yorkshire ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks, In my continuing pursuit of Manchester's Victorian glass makers and glass manufacturers, I have found that John DERBYSHIRE, one owner of the company which made the now-collectable Derbyshire pressed glass, was living in Moss Side from about 1873 to about 1878. It was an interesting address: "Ebenezer House, Alexandra Road, Moss Side" My question is, was Moss Side a 'posh' area at that time, or perhaps it had a few large old merchants' houses? John, as a glass manufacturer who was doing well, might be expected to live in quite a good house, but the puzzle is the area. It is in the opposite direction I would expect him to go. He grew up in Hulme and had recently opened a new glassworks in Salford on Regent Road, and his relatives were concentrated in Hulme, Stretford and Salford. It would be quite a distance for him to travel across the town to get to the Salford works, wouldn't it? There must have been a good reason for him to choose Moss Side. Can anyone tell me more, or even locate the address (Mike?!?). Does the house appear on the 1849 OS maps Mike? Perhaps the house (with that interesting name) was owned by a religious denomination and as a lay preacher he was renting it, or maybe he was there for the sake of his children's schooling.... Any thoughts would be much appreciated! Sally in Yorkshire

Hi Val, Renshaw street was on the north side of Hyde road in West Gorton. Its not near the maps I copied. Its close to the amusement park named Belle Vue, opposite the speedway stadium. Will send you the map section showing Ducie street in 1844. I will look for St Clements church next. Regards Mike Morris Topronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <alicia.taylor1@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 4:30 PM > > St. Clement's rang a bell (no pun intended!) so I checked my paf which > is where I store my family history and find that St. Clements church is > where my great great grandfather married for the second time! He was > living at 60 Ducie Street and his bride at 29 Victoria Street when they > married. Would these streets appear on your map section? You already > sent me a map covering Beswick - would these overlap? My knowledge of > Manchester is really sketchy I'm ashamed to say. Also whilst I'm asking > would 4 Renshaw Street, West Gorton, also be covered on the map <snip>

The map sections are on their way. Cheers Mikle Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "PHILIP JONES" <jonah2001uk@btinternet.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:11 PM > > I think that Store street was near to Boad Street, was it? If so, and > you don't mind, I would love a copy of the map.

Hi Rob, George SIMMONS and family were in residence at 70 Silver Street during the 1861 census. David Wightmore

Now you mention it, I have walked south west from Chorlton on Medlock on the border of Moss Side through to Regent road in Salford to go to a dance on a Saturday night. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "VIVIEN ENGLAND" <viv.england@btinternet.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:17 PM > My parents and generations before them grew up in Hulme, the area next to > Moss Side. My Dad has told me that Moss Side was considered 'posh' when > he was a young boy. Alexandra Road still exists and is on the Whalley > Range side of Moss Side (i.e. on the other side of Princess Road). It is > a long road, and quite a few of the properties round there are large > properties. There is a park - Alex Park on one side. According to my > parents they often walked to Salford from Hulme and it was around a 15 > minute walk, <snip>

There were lots of large homes on the west side of Alexander road. It was a posh area :)) None with that name. But most homes did not show a name in 1894. I dont have a map of Moss Side in 1844 (Hint Hint) grin............ Anyone got one to spare, so I can help out the list? There was a street car/tram depot in the Whalley Range area, close to Chorlton road. He could have hopped on one of them, or perhaps had a horse and carriage. If I could walk to work from Moss Side through to Chester road, I am sure he would have managed. The street car or what ever would have travelled up Chorlton road over Stretford road and met Chester road. Close to the glass factory. Probably about 20 minutes or less in a carriage. Cheers Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Haden" <haden.sally@googlemail.com> To: <ENG-MANCHESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 3:09 PM> > In my continuing pursuit of Manchester's Victorian glass makers and > glass manufacturers, I have found that John DERBYSHIRE, one owner of > the company which made the now-collectable Derbyshire pressed glass, > was living in Moss Side from about 1873 to about 1878. It was an > interesting address: "Ebenezer House, Alexandra Road, Moss Side" > > My question is, was Moss Side a 'posh' area at that time, or perhaps > it had a few large old merchants' houses? > > John, as a glass manufacturer who was doing well, might be expected > to live in quite a good house, but the puzzle is the area. It is in > the opposite direction I would expect him to go. He grew up in Hulme > and had recently opened a new glassworks in Salford on Regent Road, > and his relatives were concentrated in Hulme, Stretford and Salford. > It would be quite a distance for him to travel across the town to get > to the Salford works, wouldn't it? > > There must have been a good reason for him to choose Moss Side. Can > anyone tell me more, or even locate the address (Mike?!?). Does the > house appear on the 1849 OS maps Mike? > > Perhaps the house (with that interesting name) was owned by a > religious denomination and as a lay preacher he was renting it, or > maybe he was there for the sake of his children's schooling.... <snip>

Hi Mike would you have a map showing 36 Stanley Street Cheetham please Sandra Aus

I have a death for Elizabeth PRINCE 14 December 1847 at 36 Stanley St Cheetham can anyone suggest an area where I might look for a burial for her. Many thanks in anticipation Sandra in Aus.