Hi folks, It's me looking for glassmakers still! Can any one help please? I have a missing census in a sequence for William ROBINSON who was the owner/operator of the Medlock Street Glass Works on City Road in the 1840s-1850s (also with addresses "Glasshouse, Short Street, Medlock St, Hulme / No.9 Yard, City Road / Glass Street, and with alternative works name "Hulme Glass Works" ) I am missing 1851, despite searching. I have: 1841 William ROBINSON b. abt 1806, BIC "glass m." (glass maker probably) with his wife Lydia, b. abt 1810. BIC and two non-Robinsons, not sure who they are, living at "glasshouse, Short Street, Hulme" then 1861 Wm ROBINSON b abt 1806, Lancashire, "brewer of ale & porter" with his wife Lydia, b. abt 1809, Warrington and a servant living at a house in "no.9 yard, City Road" Hulme (worked out from enumerator's description) I know that William sold his glassworks to Samuel WALTON, glass manufacturer, sometime 1859/1860 but seemingly kept the brewery which was on the site. I don't have access to an address search. But in the 1850 and 1853 directories he is listed at Short St. Medlock St. Hulme. And it does look as if he lived in the house in the glassworks yard all through the period he had business there, be it glass or brewing. Short Street, Glass Street, Glass Place, River Street and later City Street all formed boundaries around the glassworks. On the 1894 OS the glassworks are "Victoria Foundry", glass production having ceased there quite some time earlier. It would be great if anyone finds him! Sally in Yorkshire

Hello Ted I know these are not quite what you are asking, and do not know if this info will be any help, but thought it might give you some where to Look. There was,A PRICE family (and probably still are some family members) Living in The village of TOTTINGTON, Nr Bury. Lancashire. Good Luck Kind Regards Joyce > From: anzaks@gmail.com> To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:49:36 +1200> Subject: [ENG-MAN] Fw: PRICE family of England, U.K.> > > > > From : anzaks@gmail,com> Subject : Cheshire, & Lancashire> Date : 12th. Aug. 2008> > > Hello Subscribers,> > I am particularly interested in sharing information with anyone researching> a PRICE, family known to have been living in Wervin, Cheshire, England> U.K.during 1808. Also, in areas of Manchester, Lancashire where several> members of the family moved to settle there from the mid.1850's into the> 20th, century.> > Best wishes,> Ted.> > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~> > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list.> Other people can learn from them!> > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Shout your Messenger buddies to the movies http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/compIntro.aspx?compId=4590

From : anzaks@gmail,com Subject : Cheshire, & Lancashire Date : 12th. Aug. 2008 Hello Subscribers, I am particularly interested in sharing information with anyone researching a PRICE, family known to have been living in Wervin, Cheshire, England U.K.during 1808. Also, in areas of Manchester, Lancashire where several members of the family moved to settle there from the mid.1850's into the 20th, century. Best wishes, Ted.

Hi Ted. I have an Elizabeth PRICE born c. 1821 in Chester,daughter of Thomas PRICE. She married Joseph HARDING also born in Chester at St Nicholas church in Liverpool in 1841. They lived in Chester most of their married Life. Their children were John Price,Thomas ,Alexander and Mary Ann HARDING. My g.Grandfather Alexander moved to Manchester and the line went on from there. Any connection? Veronica in Ontario. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Thomas" <anzaks@gmail.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:49 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Fw: PRICE family of England, U.K. > > > > From : anzaks@gmail,com > Subject : Cheshire, & Lancashire > Date : 12th. Aug. 2008 > > > Hello Subscribers, > > I am particularly interested in sharing information with anyone > researching > a PRICE, family known to have been living in Wervin, Cheshire, England > U.K.during 1808. Also, in areas of Manchester, Lancashire where several > members of the family moved to settle there from the mid.1850's into the > 20th, century. > > Best wishes, > Ted. > > > > >

obituary of September 2, 1898 states that he was born near Manchester England Feb. 24, 1833 and was a lay preacher in England. It also states tht he came to the United states in 1870 and became an ordained minister. He was survived by one daughter, Mrs. John (M. Alice)Gillespie and two sons, Thomas and William. If anyone has any information about Thomas's siblings and/or parents, I would like to hear from you and exchange information. I have pictures of Thomas and more information about his daughter, M Alice who was my great grandmother. And for what it is worth I also have an engraved binocular case given to Thomas from the members of the Workman's Hall of Notting Dale dated June 6th 1865. Being unfamiliar the British geography, I am not sure if this is close to Manchester or not. Thanks. Kathy CANADA _________________________________________________________________

Hi Kathy, Have your "found" Thomas and family on any census return,American or British? Did he marry in the USA or England What was his occupation prior to being ordained? Hope to hear from you Gilly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine Mubareka" <kmubareka@hotmail.com> To: <eng-manchester-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Rev. Thomas Heywood's > > obituary of September 2, 1898 states that he was born near Manchester > England Feb. 24, 1833 and was a lay preacher in England. It also states > tht he came to the United states in 1870 and became an ordained minister. > He was survived by one daughter, Mrs. John (M. Alice)Gillespie and two > sons, Thomas and William. > > If anyone has any information about Thomas's siblings and/or parents, I > would like to hear from you and exchange information. I have pictures of > Thomas and more information about his daughter, M Alice who was my great > grandmother. > > And for what it is worth I also have an engraved binocular case given to > Thomas from the members of the Workman's Hall of Notting Dale dated June > 6th 1865. Being unfamiliar the British geography, I am not sure if this > is close to Manchester or not. > > Thanks. > Kathy > CANADA > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rob, I checked the 1846 Slaters,1834 Pigots,and the 1822 Pigot Directories and there is no mention of the names Ashelby or Eshelby in any of the listings. Gilly ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROB SHEPHERD" <robshepherd1974@googlemail.com> To: "eng-manchester-l" <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 6:00 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Directories Look Up > Thanks to everyone who has posted helping with my enquiry regarding an > elusive ancestor William Ashelby (or Eshelby) > > I wonder if anyone with access to pre-1840 directories of Manchester could > have a look for me to see if he was listed? > Variously described as labourer, pattern looker, sawyer and footman. > > Many thanks again > > Rob > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Rob Also in the census in Albington Street that Pamela advised you of there is an Andrew Adams with them aged 60 born in county. On the IGI William Eshelby married a Charlotte Adams 15 April 1819 Manchester Cathedral. It looks promising Regards Sandy Australia

Thanks to everyone who has posted helping with my enquiry regarding an elusive ancestor William Ashelby (or Eshelby) I wonder if anyone with access to pre-1840 directories of Manchester could have a look for me to see if he was listed? Variously described as labourer, pattern looker, sawyer and footman. Many thanks again Rob

Thanks Mike.l would have absolutely no idea where this was if it weren't for kind people like yourself and also those area descriptions attached to the census,they are a small blessing.l am sure Eileen will be most pleased, Pauline in Aus.

Hi Rob, nothing in Bancks's of 1800, sorry! Yvonne in Plymouth -----Original Message----- From: ROB SHEPHERD <robshepherd1974@googlemail.com> To: eng-manchester-l <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:00 Subject: [ENG-MAN] Directories Look Up Thanks to everyone who has posted helping with my enquiry regarding an elusive ancestor William Ashelby (or Eshelby) I wonder if anyone with access to pre-1840 directories of Manchester could have a look for me to see if he was listed? Variously described as labourer, pattern looker, sawyer and footman. Many thanks again Rob ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

Sally Haden wrote: > Thanks to everyone who helped with Moss Side and Alexandra Road where > 'my' DERBYSHIRE glass manufacturers were living in the 1870s. > > The house I was after was very much in the vicinity of St Bede's > College which has also been in the spotlight here in the last couple > of days. > > Hi List and Helen, My daughter is a pupil at St Bede's College. The main buildings lie between Wellington Rd and Mayfield Rd with the building that used to be the Convent, now called The Regis, standing on the opposite side of Wellington Rd. The part of the College which is now the Academic hall was the original building that the College moved in to in1877, and was once The Manchester Aquarium. My daughter returns to school at the beginning of September, so if you need any photos of the area let me know and I will gladly take them for you as I will be there daily. There are other independent schools in the area including the King David School which lies at the other end of Alexander Rd South. Hope this helps? Regards, Jan.

Thanks to everyone who helped with Moss Side and Alexandra Road where 'my' DERBYSHIRE glass manufacturers were living in the 1870s. The house I was after was very much in the vicinity of St Bede's College which has also been in the spotlight here in the last couple of days. According to old directories, the convent next door to the college (to the south) was called St Gertrude's and it was no. 28 Alexandra Road South. It may be that the house I wanted (named "Ebenezer House" and occupied by the DERBYSHIRE family as their home in the late 1870s) was or is number 30 Alexandra Road South. Again according to directories, it would appear that these properties were all erected some time in the 1870s. They do not appear in the 1871 directory. Another home of the DERBYSHIRE family in the 1870s (this time 1873) was "Melrose Lawn", Alexandra Road, Moss Side. This has been tracked to number 6 Alexandra Road South. Number 8 Alexandra Road South appears in Manchester Library's Local Image Collection. These properties may have been built by a George Napier who appears in the 1876 directory at "Mayfield House" just up the road from Melrose Lawn and Ebenezer House. "Mayfield House" was the last house before the college, now "Mayfield Mansions". Napier was a building contractor who just happens to have been a neighbour of the "Melrose Lawn" DERBYSHIRE in 1871 back across town in Napier Street, Hulme (note NAPIER Street!). Thomas DERBYSHIRE in "Melrose Lawn" was only in his mid-twenties, an up-and-coming glass manufacturer. I suggest that around late 1860s Thomas and his uncle John who was to live in "Ebenezer House" may have heard about Napier's development on Alexandra Road South and done a deal with him, moving into them as brand new. I don't know if they would have taken out a mortgage or rented - I seem to recall reading that only one in ten people in the country at that time owned their own houses. The DERBYSHIRE family had three large glassworks in operation by about 1872, in Hulme and Salford, one just built. Then as now (don't we all know it!) building was affected by the general economy and there were some downturns in the 1870s. By the 1881 census John DERBYSHIRE had left Moss Side in favour of a house on Eccles New Road in Salford. Whether this was an economy measure or he just wanted to be nearer his glassworks on Regent Road can probably only be guessed. Sadly Thomas, his young nephew, died in 1874 age 26, and his own son Thomas died in 1881 age 18, causes not yet known, leaving John and his brothers to carry on the glassmaking. Although Derbyshire glassmaking held its own well enough, the family were not long-lived and they had to struggle in a competitive market, the company finally closing its doors in 1894. Therefore these wonderful new homes overlooking Alexandra Park in the early 1870s must have represented a great high-point in the family's hopes and fortunes. For anyone who wants to know, the college (now a private school) and the convent (now flats) can be seen on modern maps/google earth. My A-Z marks St Bede's College and the Convent on the west side of Alexandra Road South, between Mayfield Road and Wellington Road and Wellington Road and Stanley Road respectively. "Mayfield Mansions" is visible on the A-Z too, above Mayfield Road. Mike Morris wrote: > Now you mention it, I have walked south west from Chorlton on > Medlock on the > border of Moss Side through to Regent road in Salford to go to a > dance on a > Saturday night. > Mike, I hope the girls were worth the walk! Sally in Yorkshire

Good morning Mike & Pauline,   My sentiments exactly, the help I received is much appreciated, and my relative in Canada who I am helping will be very happy to see this map. Regards Eileen Connecticut USA   Pauline Pendlebury  wrote: Thanks Mike.l would have absolutely no idea where this was if it weren't for kind people like yourself and also those area descriptions attached to the census,they are a small blessing.l am sure Eileen will be most pleased, Pauline in Aus.     

Hi both Eileen,Mike and list, l have sent both the 1891 census shot and the description of Dist 13,Withington,to Eileen. The description has Grosvenor road,Clarendon Road, Burford Road,College road,Lancashire Independant College, Wood Road,Brookfields,Marriotts,Carlton road....etc etc. l would love to know more about your Buckleys' Eileen,mine come from Holbeck....good luck,Pauline.

Hi Mike, Ah l thought you might,you're an angel.l have also sent Rob the page of the directory so as he has the record.l am looking on census but it is a hard nut to crack..bit like your John Atkin..whom l am still looking for info on,take care, Pauline.

Hi Rob, Your William Ashelby is listed on the 1841 Pigot and Slaters Directory for Manchester and Salford,at 68 Bloom St, Aytoun st,G...now the directory usually lists the street lived in followed by the next main street to it.l followed up in the directory re Aytoun St and l think it is near Portland Street.It is hard to read but Aytoun may be Aytoan...someone on list will know this. It's also hard to read but l am sure it is a G after the streets and not C..maybe this means Gorton? l am sure there are lots of people on list that can help with this now,once we have an area established it will be much easier finding your family,Pauline who is going to look.

Many thanks once again Mike Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:11 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Marsland Road in Sale, Cheshire. > Hi Sandra, > I could not find the farm name, but did locate Marsland road in Sale, > Cheshire and have sent you this map section. > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1601 - Release Date: 8/8/2008 > 9:02 AM > >

Hi Viv, Many thanks for that offer, but I have previously been sent photographs of the houses in Marsland Road that William Prince owned, by a person who just happened to be researching the owners of land in that area at the time, no relation, just somebody who was interested in buildings if I remember correctly?. I also purchased a booklet Sale, Cheshire 1841 Its people and their lives by John Newhill, although no mention of my family connections it is a very interesting read. I have recently returned to Family History and it is about 9 years ago that I was looking into this branch, time to follow up on loose ends. Thanks again for the offer Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "VIVIEN ENGLAND" <viv.england@btinternet.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 4:05 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Marsland Road in Sale, Cheshire. > Hi Sandra > > I live about a mile away from Marsland Road, and I actually work in the > office block on the corner of Marsland Road. I will go and have a look at > the house if you would like, let me know? > > Viv >

Hi Mike Sending this via the list as others might find it of interest. Thank you so much for all your brill maps~! You have helped enormously. Not only with the maps but your general knowledge of the wider area of Manchester. I know a lot of people don't bother with where folk lived or maps even and I can never understand why. For me, they present part of the bigger picture and really help to make the family come alive. Especially when you compare the old maps with modern ones or even a localised A-Z. Re - Belle Vue. I too went to the Speedway from being a baby (I'm told!). My first memory is standing up behind the press box and screaming for Peter Craven! Then much much later it was Peter Collins! Who incidentally is back there now in management! I don't think it's the same since they moved to the dog track and it's hard to believe the old place has houses and a car auction building there now. In the old days when the speedway was further long on Hyde road, you could just follow your nose and ears and find the track!! If the hoards of people with their racket (those things you twirled around that make the biggest noise) wasn't a clue. My gran (Lily TAYLOR) worked behind the bar at the wrestling. I know my great grandparents (Clara Lillian McGEE and Thomas William TAYLOR) married in 1906 and they lived in Beswick. My grandfather was born there too. They moved to a new house in Buckley Road, off Mount Road sometime after that. Mount road is by the dog track. You can hear the roar of the bikes easily on race night! All of the Taylor family worked at Belle Vue which I think I mentioned before. I have a couple of books that tell some of the story of Belle Vue - It's greatness and it's decline and a book on Gorton too. So if anyone wants something checking, feel free to ask. I must warn you though that unless you worked for the Zoo itself there isn't much name dropping. I was disappointed by that. Still makes interesting reading though. The Gorton book is a trawl down memory lane for the author. Hope the latter is of use to someone with family in the same area as me. Please forgive me the wake up of memories! Val Mike Morris wrote: > Hi Val, > I have sent you the map sections showing Renshaw street and another with > Belle Vue. Both from around 1898. > > I also went to the speedway at Belle Vue and the wrestling on a Saturday > night. My dad went to the dog races. > > Happy memories > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > >