Hi folks, after seeing Lynne's posting about the Radio 4 "Tracing Your Roots", I tried to find out when it would be... it took me a minute to find it, so am posting details here for anyone else. 20th August, 1.30 pm, Wednesday. ie tomorrow. To include tracing Irish ancestry, Jewish immigration into UK and attitudes towards illegitimacy. From their own website you can listen to past programmes too. Sally in Yorkshire

Are you sure the entry was not just mistranscribed? And that Crunpsall is accurate? My ggmother was listed as b. in Manchester in 1871 census, then Liverpool in 1881, as an example of how the location could be wrong. And the family surname spelling changed as well from census to census. Have you searched http://freebmd.org.uk and tried doing a global search for that first name in the year they were born (or quarter, if too many results), and then gone through the results line by line to see if a listing is similar to the eye that a search engine would not find? Why not post the name and birthdate info so list members can try to help you find the entry again? On 8/19/08, AnnBrsfrd@aol.com <AnnBrsfrd@aol.com> wrote: > Help wanted please, have an ancestor who was born in Crunpsall > (according > to 1891 census) but no record of birth in GRO records. > Am coming to England next week for short trip, would > like to have a look for it in Manchester. Would someone please let me know > where I can go to do this search and do I have to make an appointment ? > Thankyou > Ann Beresford Brisbane Australia

Help wanted please, have an ancestor who was born in Crunpsall (according to 1891 census) but no record of birth in GRO records. Am coming to England next week for short trip, would like to have a look for it in Manchester. Would someone please let me know where I can go to do this search and do I have to make an appointment ? Thankyou Ann Beresford Brisbane Australia

Thank you so much - that’s ok I can get the image I just couldn't see them there. You are wonderful picking that up. Thanks Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Irene Marlborough Sent: 18 August 2008 20:37 To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] (new) Pixton Hi Carolyn: They are on the 1891 census for Salford indexed as REDSTONE but in fact enumerated as PICKSTONE. Do you need the image? Regards, Irene ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1618 - Release Date: 18/08/2008 06:51 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1618 - Release Date: 18/08/2008 06:51

Hello Thank you for allowing me to join your list. My mother’s name was Pixton and I am trying to put together the jigsaw. My grandfather was Charles Pixton. He was born in 1888 Salford to Charles and Eleanor. He had an older sister Florence born 1886 Salford and had 3 surviving half brothers born to Eleanor and possibly Joseph or James Pixton. My great Grandfather was Charles Pixton born 1848 Chester. He lost two wives and two children before he met Eleanor Brierley. We don’t believe they married though Eleanor used the name Pixton. Charles died 1888 the year my grandfather was born. Eleanor did not name the father for the children after the death of Charles. One of the sons named Joseph Pixton as his father when he married. Eleanor died 1911 on her death certificate it names her the widow of James Pixton. I can not find Eleanor, Florence and Charles on the 1891 census. In 1901 they are living in Barlow Street. Eccles. I can’t find Eleanor as Brierley in 1881 census she is not with her family Isaac Brierley and her sisters Fanny, Mary and Sarah living in Rochdale Road St George Manchester. I wondered whether a new pair of eyes or train of thought could find her in these two census. She was not Pixton in 1881 as Charles was living with his second wife. Thank you for your time Carolyn No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1618 - Release Date: 18/08/2008 06:51

The subject of illegitimacy will be discussed Wednesday on Radio 4's "Tracing Your Roots" programme. Ruth Paley, author of the Society of Genealogists' book "My Ancestor was a Bastard" is to be featured. If you're unable to listen to the programme, it may be available later to download as a podcast or on 'Listen Again'. Lynne

Hi Carolyn: They are on the 1891 census for Salford indexed as REDSTONE but in fact enumerated as PICKSTONE. Do you need the image? Regards, Irene

Hello Listers, I'm interested to find any information on William Burton and his wife Ann (Hannah) nee Williams. They married June 2nd 1805 in Manchester Cathedral but they later lived in Liverpool until at least 1817 and Ashton under Lyne until at least October 1825. But I have reason to believe they returned to Manchester because their children lived there in 1841 (census). Perhaps William Burton appears in a Manchester directory? Any help is appreciated. Andre

Yes all this area was changed. Lloyd street also became Limby street. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Ball" <itsbally@hotmail.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:46 AM Would I be right in thinking that Lloyd Street no longer exists and was cleared to make way for the tower blocks of the 1960's? <snip> >

Would I be right in thinking that Lloyd Street no longer exists and was cleared to make way for the tower blocks of the 1960's? Jonathan. ---------------------------------------- > From: morrisind@rogers.com > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:06:02 -0400 > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Pubs in Hulme c.1901 > > There was a Wheatsheaf pub in Lloyd street, Hulme in 1920. It was about half > way down the street on the west side. Lloyd street ran south from between > Chester road and City road. > > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jonathan Ball" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 7:38 PM >> >> In the 1901 census my Great Grandfather, Thomas Birch had listed as his >> profession 'Beer House Keeper - pub'. It also stated that he worked from >> home which was 37 Lloyd Street, Hulme. Could anyone tell me if there was a >> pub at this address and if so, what it's name was? > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571435/direct/01/

There was a Wheatsheaf pub in Lloyd street, Hulme in 1920. It was about half way down the street on the west side. Lloyd street ran south from between Chester road and City road. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Ball" <itsbally@hotmail.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 7:38 PM > > In the 1901 census my Great Grandfather, Thomas Birch had listed as his > profession 'Beer House Keeper - pub'. It also stated that he worked from > home which was 37 Lloyd Street, Hulme. Could anyone tell me if there was a > pub at this address and if so, what it's name was? <snip>

Hi Pat Chorlton Row was a township until 1838 when the area was renamed as Chorlton-on-Medlock. If you Google 'Chorlton Row' you will be able to read much more about it, find the boundaries, etc. Edward Turner BALE is well documented in a variety of places. Again, try Googling his name. You'll get lots of very interesting references. Other listers have searched for him in the past so if you do a search on the Rootsweb Manchester list using his name you'll find other possible contacts. Manchester Record Office has a large photographic collection and they have early photographs of the area (later than 1829 obviously but still worth a look). If you can get in to see them you can make an appointment (well, at least I did a few years back). Others may know of collections on the web of which I'm unaware. _http://www.gmcro.co.uk/Photography/index.htm_ (http://www.gmcro.co.uk/Photography/index.htm) There's so much information out there, too much to go into detail here, so I hope these references help. Ruth

Hi Gilly, You are always on the ball aren't you! The surgeon was called Edward Turner Bale - this is the info when he married. However, he really may have been an apprentice at that time. Also, he moved around so much, that he may not have been stationary long enough to to have got into a directory! I am no expert with directories, and have spent some time tonight trying to find him. I gave up when the Directories site seized! He also practised in Derbyshire (Crich) Liverpool and Salford possibly up to 1837 but not after that. If you can find him you are an angel! Regards, Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: gllykh Hi Pat, On the 1828 Pigot Directory there are no surgeons listed at Chorlton Row. What is the name of the person you are looking for? Gilly

Can anyone tell me if Chorlton Row, Manchester in 1829 was a residential area or more of a professional person's work address? (As in Surgeon) Also - where was it? Thanks in advance, Pat W

Hi all In the 1901 census my Great Grandfather, Thomas Birch had listed as his profession 'Beer House Keeper - pub'. It also stated that he worked from home which was 37 Lloyd Street, Hulme. Could anyone tell me if there was a pub at this address and if so, what it's name was? Better still does anyone know if a pub still stands on the site today? Regards Jonathan. _________________________________________________________________ Make a mini you on Windows Live Messenger! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571437/direct/01/

Hi Pat, Sorry I did not find "your" Edward,but I did find Chorlton Row listed in the street directory for Manchester on the Baines Directory for 1824/25. Only one person listed under the heading of surgeon is also listed as living in Chorlton Row, that was John Wickstead.perhaps your Edward was an apprentice/student of his. >From the 1834 Pigots Directory John Wickstead ,Surgeon is now at 28 Brook St,Chorlton on Medlock.Only two of the 1824 surgeons are listed on thee 1834 Partington, James Edge,52 Oxford St,C-o -M and Grindrod,William Thomas1,Sidney St C-o-M Hope this is of some help Gilly ----- Original Message ----- From: "patricia williams" <pat.williams121@virgin.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Chorlton Row > Hi Gilly, > You are always on the ball aren't you! > The surgeon was called Edward Turner Bale - this is the info when he > married. > However, he really may have been an apprentice at that time. Also, he > moved > around so much, that he may not have been stationary long enough to to > have > got into a directory! I am no expert with directories, and have spent some > time tonight trying to find him. I gave up when the Directories site > seized! > He also practised in Derbyshire (Crich) Liverpool and Salford possibly up > to > 1837 but not after that. If you can find him you are an angel! > Regards, > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: gllykh > > Hi Pat, > On the 1828 Pigot Directory there are no surgeons listed at Chorlton Row. > What is the name of the person you are looking for? > Gilly > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat, On the 1828 Pigot Directory there are no surgeons listed at Chorlton Row. What is the name of the person you are looking for? Gilly ----- Original Message ----- From: "patricia williams" <pat.williams121@virgin.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Chorlton Row > Can anyone tell me if Chorlton Row, Manchester in 1829 was a residential > area or more of a professional person's work address? (As in Surgeon) > Also - where was it? > Thanks in advance, > Pat W > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks, Can anyone help me find a family who lived in Collyhurst or Harpurhey 1851/1861 please? Again this is a glass manufacturer. His name is William YATES. I don't know how old he would be but I imagine he would be born about 1810, give or take 10 years. I don't know where he was born but I have no reason to think he was born outside England or Scotland. I have 2 addresses for him, found in an archaeology study done on the glassworks which he operated. The addresses apparently come from directories. > 1855 > Thomas Vickers and his wife (the sister of William Yates) lived at > Wrighley House, Collyhurst Road. > William Yates lived next door to at Mount Pleasant House, > Collyhurst Road, Collyhurst I presume that should read "...next door to him at..." > 1864 > William Yates lived at Green Mount, Harpurhey > I would like to find William YATES and his sister who married Thomas VCKERS. I don't know anything about his sister. Thomas VICKERS was his partner at the glassworks. I have tried both 1851 and 1861, searching "Manchester" and born about 1810 +- 5 years, "Head" - no result. Are Harpurhey and Collyhurst both covered by "Manchester" in the 1851 and 1861 censuses? Any thoughts would be welcome. Sally in Yorkshire

Forwarded with the kind permission of the author. Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike spencer" <mikedecc9@sky.com> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:25 PM Subject: [DBY] EARL STERNDALE BURIALS 1846 > Hi list, > more from the Earl. > > EARL STERNDALE BURIALS 1846 > > 23 Jan 1846 Sarah NADEN Dale Head 76 > 2 Feb 1846 Richard HARRISON Jericho , Sterndale 51 > 24 Feb 1846 Martha WLSON Sterndale 76 > 3 May 1846 Charlotte HEATHCOTE Sterndale 32 > 22 Jul 1846 David NADEN Dale Head 77 > 28 Apr 1847 Luke BERISFORD Glutton Bridge 11m > 2 May 1847 Sarah BERISFORD Glutton Bridge 83 > 5 May 1847 Elizabeth HORSEFIELD Manchester 63 > 7 May 1847 Hannah NADEN Prestley 23 > 11 May 1847 Mary MARSDEN Dowall 83 > 28 May 1847 Mary RODGERS Sterndale 26 > 3 Jun 1847 Jane WAIN Booth 23 > 14 Jun 1847 Joseph ROGERS London 29 > 25 Aug 1847 Elizabeth FINNEY Money Ash 72 > 11 Sep 1847 Thomas FINNEY Stoop 71 > 12 Oct 1847 Ephraim FARROW Brand 34 > 26 Oct 1847 Thomas HARRISON Bakewell 65 > 1 Dec 1847 Isaac HOROBIN Sparklow 22 > 17 Dec 1847 William EDGE White Cliff, Parwich 67 > > mike > > -- > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks, Here is some information about the streets covered in one of the Hulme districts in 1841. It might help someone sometime find what they want. First here is the enumerator's description. It is District 17 of Hulme, 1841 All that part of Medlock St. Ward in the township of Hulme bounded by a line drawn in the centre of Ferneley Street from the River Medlock to Owen Street thence in the centres of Owen St and Welcomb St. to River Street Thence in the centre of River Street to Medlock St thence in the centre of Medlock St. to the river Medlock thence along the River Medlock to Ferneley St. and here are the pages, numbered with the streets that they cover: page 1 Ferneley St page 2 Owen St page 3 Pond St page 4 Pond Place etc page 5 and 6 Flora St page 7 Short St and Front St page 8 Beta St and Alpha St page 9 Alpha St page 10 Ferneley St and River Place Page 11 River Place and Bradshaw (?) Place Page 12 Bradshaw (?) Place Page 13 Shore Street, including glasshouse Page 14 Glass St Page 15 Glass St and River Street Page 16 River St and Medlock St Page 17 Medlock St, Short St, Glass St. etc. Sally in Yorkshire