Marlene and Val, Thank your for your replies. I think I will go back to the Lancashire site and copy down the local Registar's record number, and then call the Manchester Office. Going to the Manchester Registrar site, the fee of 7 pounds still applies, it seems the same cost as GRO, and it does not say a true copy, so I want to confirm with them. My credit card will convert to sterling so maybe I can even order by phone as they say. They say they cannot respond quickly to inquiries due to the increased interest in genealogy of late. Except I am not alert enough to call at 7 or 8 am Pacific time, before the office closes, so I will have to decide about what is most practical. I am not sure what I will do. Thanks. On 8/24/08, Irene Marlborough <imarlb@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > There is a way to use conditions on cert applications for free. If you use > the local registrar, then (mostly) they are willing to check your conditions > and return either the certificate or the entire fee if the conditions are > not met. I've done this a lot and I realise that it's easier if you have > means of paying in sterling. > > Although I live in the USA, I do maintain a sterling bank account and so I'm > able to write cheques to local registrars. For most people living abroad > this is not an option. I just mentioned it for those resident in the UK or > those who have relatives with access to sterling funds. > > I've been treated really well by most local registrar offices and the > Manchester one, in particular, has been superb. If the event you are > researching has already been transcribed and on > http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/, then you can use the form they provide to > get the correct references to the local registrar. These are not the same > references used for the GRO. But even if it hasn't been transcribed yet, a > simple letter to the registrar's office in question usually does the trick. > > Best wishes, Irene

I have always gotten confused by the GRO explanation of using or entering a condition for ordering a certificate. So, I have not used the option. Can you explain? We have to pay the same amount, either way, don't we? So when would it make a difference? Thanks On 8/23/08, Irene Marlborough <imarlb@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > You might have to do this the hard way with applying for birth certs with > the details of Harry's parents as a condition.

Irene Thanks very much for your advice. I have decided to try for the death certificate first and take it from there. Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Irene Marlborough Sent: 23 August 2008 19:32 To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Pixton Hi Carolyn: You could apply for the death cert of Harry PIXTON death reg'd at Salford in the Mar Q of 1901. His age was given as 18. So a birth in 1883 wouldn't be surprising. It seems the PICKSTONEs in the area do use the forename Harold so you might consider that rather than Henry when looking for the birth. There are several potential births for a Harry or Henry BRIERLEY in and around Manchester for the years 1882 and 1883. There's also a Harry PICKSTON 1881 Bolton and a Harold PICKSTONE in 1882 in Bury. You might have to do this the hard way with applying for birth certs with the details of Harry's parents as a condition. Good luck, Irene ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1621 - Release Date: 19/08/2008 18:53 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1621 - Release Date: 19/08/2008 18:53

Hello List I have a puzzle that I am hoping someone can help with? Charles Pixton married Sarah Cooper 1879 (Chester). They had Beatrice Dec quarter Salford 1881. Both are registered dead in the same quarter. Charles went on to partner Eleanor Brierley (no marriage found) They had Ernestine registered Sept Quarter 1883 Salford who died the following year. On the recently found 1891 census. There is a son Harry born Manchester aged 9 (1882). I can’t find a birth for a Harry Pixton or Brierley. Has anyone any ideas what next step I can take to find Harry? He doesn’t appear with them in 1901 census. Carolyn No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1621 - Release Date: 19/08/2008 18:53

Hi Carolyn: You could apply for the death cert of Harry PIXTON death reg'd at Salford in the Mar Q of 1901. His age was given as 18. So a birth in 1883 wouldn't be surprising. It seems the PICKSTONEs in the area do use the forename Harold so you might consider that rather than Henry when looking for the birth. There are several potential births for a Harry or Henry BRIERLEY in and around Manchester for the years 1882 and 1883. There's also a Harry PICKSTON 1881 Bolton and a Harold PICKSTONE in 1882 in Bury. You might have to do this the hard way with applying for birth certs with the details of Harry's parents as a condition. Good luck, Irene

Hello Listers I believe my 2xggrandparents were buried in this cemetery. Manchester Archives hold microfilm copies of the grave registers (1821-1933) on MFPR 868, interment registers (MFPR 869-870) and gravestone inscriptions (MFPR 1947). As I can't get to Manchester easily please would someone kindly do a look up for me? I'm asking a lot, I know, as it's on film - all that winding! And as I don't have a death date for Elizabeth FLETCHER, it could take a long time to find her. But I do have one for her husband Charles FLETCHER. I am working on a hunch that they may have been buried together and perhaps with their children. So I'm going to put Elizabeth on one side for the moment, and concentrate on her husband. Charles FLETCHER died 28th June 1866 aged 79 Elizabeth FLETCHER (nee COBB) died sometime between 1825 and 1837 Living in hope... Ruth

Could you clarify which persons were supposed to be born when? The explanations of relationships make it unclear which dates apply to who. You might have luck searching quarter by quarter on first name alone, in case the surname was mistranscribed. I did that with my ggrandmother, whom didn't appear until we stopped assuming that later Census reports of where she was born were correct. They were wrong. She was, for example, born in Manchester in 1869, not Liverpool, and her birth certificate is finally on it's way to me now. I'd try now but can't tell which years go with who from your post. On 8/21/08, AnnBrsfrd@aol.com <AnnBrsfrd@aol.com> wrote: > ... I have tried doing allsorts with the above surname including > substituting the c for a G to no avail. > The person Iam interested in is Walter CLEVES or CLEAVES. born > Crumpsall 1884. I have searched other years but pretty sure about his birth > year. > He is my Gr Uncle . He is in the 1891 census in Accrington born Crumpsall > not > with his mother that night . Also in the 1901 census this time with his > mother > who by that time had married . > I can find no trace of him before 1891 or his mother Mary > CLEVES > who also states she was born in Manchester. She is not in any cenuses > before 1891 that I can see. Mary CLEVES is my Gr grandmother and the mother > of my > Grandmother Elsie CLEVES born 1892 Burnley workhouse.(no father listed). > There is also no Mary CLEVES IN THE GRO records, have searched from 1862 to > 1866. > So you see if I could find a birth cert locally for him it > would give me a little bit more info. The reason I'm looking for Mary CLEVES > birth cert is that when she married in 1894 she stated she was a spinister > and her > maiden name was CLEVES. > So I'm presuming both Walter as well as my grandmother were > illegitimate. > ... > Thankyou > Ann Beresford.

Hello and thankyou for your all your advice and offers of help. The reason Iam asking is I have read somewhere that when a record of birth can't be found in the GRO records it is possible it might be found in local records. I have tried doing allsorts with the above surname including substituting the c for a G to no avail. The person Iam interested in is Walter CLEVES or CLEAVES. born Crumpsall 1884. I have searched other years but pretty sure about his birth year. He is my Gr Uncle . He is in the 1891 census in Accrington born Crumpsall not with his mother that night . Also in the 1901 census this time with his mother who by that time had married . I can find no trace of him before 1891 or his mother Mary CLEVES who also states she was born in Manchester. She is not in any cenuses before 1891 that I can see. Mary CLEVES is my Gr grandmother and the mother of my Grandmother Elsie CLEVES born 1892 Burnley workhouse.(no father listed). There is also no Mary CLEVES IN THE GRO records, have searched from 1862 to 1866. So you see if I could find a birth cert locally for him it would give me a little bit more info. The reason I'm looking for Mary CLEVES birth cert is that when she married in 1894 she stated she was a spinister and her maiden name was CLEVES. So I'm presuming both Walter as well as my grandmother were illegitimate. I have probably given you all far too much info now. Really just want to know where I could go to search local birth records just in case he is there when I come to Manchester. Thankyou Ann Beresford. Ps Have been trying to sort this out on and off for over 20years ! family and other thingsjust keep getting in the way.

Hi Sarah, I'm afraid I've not been keeping up with all posts recently, but I do know that the microfilm of old MEN's are in central library, Manchester. Pat W ----- Original Message ----- From: Sarah Johnson To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:17 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Frederick Hood accident Salford Ann, Thanks for that, I did look on Manchester Evening news website but couldn't see anything to do with OLD archives at all, I will email them, unless anyone else has any ideas where I might find news info on this event. Canvassing accident in Salford, 1911, death aged 48, Frederick Hood

Is anyone able to look at the 1841 census Manchester please looking for a James WOOD born 1813 may have a wife Mary His parents were William WOOD born abt 1870 and wife Alice born abt 1773 they married 1795 Manchester they would be aged in their 70's if still alive in 1841 William was a Stone Mason at Marriage, son James was in business but just not sure, could be grocer or Tea Dealer Many thanks Sandra Aus

Ann, Thanks for that, I did look on Manchester Evening news website but couldn't see anything to do with OLD archives at all, I will email them, unless anyone else has any ideas where I might find news info on this event. Canvassing accident in Salford, 1911, death aged 48, Frederick Hood Sarah Johnson nee Hood _________________________________________________________________ Win New York holidays with Kellogg’s & Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571440/direct/01/

Hi Sarah, I fhe was canvassing for the elections there is a slim chance that the accident was reported in the London Times,here is the site address http://archive.timesonline.co.uk Gilly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Johnson" <sarahjohnson777@hotmail.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:17 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Frederick Hood accident Salford Ann, Thanks for that, I did look on Manchester Evening news website but couldn't see anything to do with OLD archives at all, I will email them, unless anyone else has any ideas where I might find news info on this event. Canvassing accident in Salford, 1911, death aged 48, Frederick Hood Sarah Johnson nee Hood _________________________________________________________________ Win New York holidays with Kellogg’s & Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571440/direct/01/ ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi This is my first posting and my name is Audrey Thomas (Tong) and I live in Queensland Australia. William TONG born in Manchester c 1809. Located on the 1851 census living in Bolton. I have his marriage details and children. His marriage certificate names his father as William TONG. I would like to find out more information about his father William TONG. Thank you, Audrey

Sarah I have e mailed Manchester Records office as I would like the inquest details and newspaper reports of a death in 1911 Salford as well. I have asked them if they would hold this information or if not where. If I get a reply I will post it here. Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Irene Marlborough Sent: 20 August 2008 13:35 To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Frederick Hood Hello Sarah: Do you have Frederick's death certificate? If there was an inquest, it would probably say so on the cert. Mostly coroner's records have not survived and I don't know if this was the case for Salford in 1911 but it's certainly worth enquiring about. Maybe another lister knows this. In any case, a good source would be the newspaper report of either the accident or the inquest. I'm sure that both the Salford Library and Manchester Central Library's Local Studies sections will hold microfilm of the newspapers if you should be in a position to visit. Regards, Irene ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1621 - Release Date: 19/08/2008 18:53 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1621 - Release Date: 19/08/2008 18:53

Hi Sarah It is definately worth contacting Salford Local Studies, they hold many newspapers from around that period. It may also be worth considering joining the Salford forum, it is based on the Salford City Council website. I was fortunate to find a couple of links to my family, and I am now in contact with lost relatives through this site. Good luck. Viv Irene Marlborough <imarlb@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Hello Sarah: Do you have Frederick's death certificate? If there was an inquest, it would probably say so on the cert. Mostly coroner's records have not survived and I don't know if this was the case for Salford in 1911 but it's certainly worth enquiring about. Maybe another lister knows this. In any case, a good source would be the newspaper report of either the accident or the inquest. I'm sure that both the Salford Library and Manchester Central Library's Local Studies sections will hold microfilm of the newspapers if you should be in a position to visit. Regards, Irene ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1841 England Census about James Wood Name: James Wood Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Gender: Male Where born: Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Manchester Hundred: Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: back of Chepstow street Occupation: printer Registration district: Manchester Sub registration district: Deansgate Household Members: Name Age James Wood 25 Mary Wood 25 -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandra Geddes 1 Sent: 20 August 2008 12:18 To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] 1841 census Is anyone able to look at the 1841 census Manchester please looking for a James WOOD born 1813 may have a wife Mary His parents were William WOOD born abt 1870 and wife Alice born abt 1773 they married 1795 Manchester they would be aged in their 70's if still alive in 1841 William was a Stone Mason at Marriage, son James was in business but just not sure, could be grocer or Tea Dealer Many thanks Sandra Aus ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1621 - Release Date: 19/08/2008 18:53 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1621 - Release Date: 19/08/2008 18:53

I am trying to find out details about the actual death of Frederick who died in an accident whilst helping with a canvassing event, it happened in Jan 1911 in Salford. He was 48 years old when he died, and was married to Sarah Alice. I have all the actual family info now, but would love to find out or see a record of what happened WHEN he died. I know it's a long shot, but you never know. Also, my Beaty relatives are based in Salford, Manchester, my Uncle owns/owned the butchers shop in Salford and elsewhere also I think? Anyone else out there searching for Beatys from this area, they originated from Caldbeck, Cumberland! Sarah Johnson (nee Hood) _________________________________________________________________ Win a voice over part with Kung Fu Panda & Live Search   and   100’s of Kung Fu Panda prizes to win with Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571439/direct/01/

Hello Sarah: Do you have Frederick's death certificate? If there was an inquest, it would probably say so on the cert. Mostly coroner's records have not survived and I don't know if this was the case for Salford in 1911 but it's certainly worth enquiring about. Maybe another lister knows this. In any case, a good source would be the newspaper report of either the accident or the inquest. I'm sure that both the Salford Library and Manchester Central Library's Local Studies sections will hold microfilm of the newspapers if you should be in a position to visit. Regards, Irene

Hello, it will be Crumpsall, which is an area of North Manchester. As said, if you post the details, perhaps we can have a look for you. Best wishes Carol the cohens <the.cohens.in.california@gmail.com> wrote: Are you sure the entry was not just mistranscribed? And that Crunpsall is accurate? My ggmother was listed as b. in Manchester in 1871 census, then Liverpool in 1881, as an example of how the location could be wrong. And the family surname spelling changed as well from census to census. Have you searched http://freebmd.org.uk and tried doing a global search for that first name in the year they were born (or quarter, if too many results), and then gone through the results line by line to see if a listing is similar to the eye that a search engine would not find? Why not post the name and birthdate info so list members can try to help you find the entry again? On 8/19/08, AnnBrsfrd@aol.com wrote: > Help wanted please, have an ancestor who was born in Crunpsall > (according > to 1891 census) but no record of birth in GRO records. > Am coming to England next week for short trip, would > like to have a look for it in Manchester. Would someone please let me know > where I can go to do this search and do I have to make an appointment ? > Thankyou > Ann Beresford Brisbane Australia ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sally Haden wrote: >Hi folks, >after seeing Lynne's posting about the Radio 4 "Tracing Your Roots", >I tried to find out when it would be... it took me a minute to find >it, so am posting details here for anyone else. > >20th August, 1.30 pm, Wednesday. ie tomorrow. To include tracing >Irish ancestry, Jewish immigration into UK and attitudes towards >illegitimacy. > > From their own website you can listen to past programmes too. Thank you, Sally. In my haste to get that message to everyone I omitted that important information! Best wishes, Lynne