BlankHI Mike I have found a Blackthorn St. in Beswick which is just north of Ardwick. It is located running south from Albert St. which in turn is located to the south of Ashton New Road. Bryan in Ontario

BlankHI Mike I have found a Blackthorn St. in Beswick which is just north of Ardwick. It is located running south from Albert St. which in turn is located to the south of Ashton New Road. Bryan in Ontario

I am new to this list but I am wondering if anyone can help me. I am looking for Charles Edmonds. In the 1851 Salford Census, it lists him as born b. 1799 in Somerset. Although I can't verify, family legend has him born on 17 Oct..father Samuel, mother Honer Heckter? There is some mention of a birthplace called Kabbeth? somewhere in Somerset. He is an operative dyer, general (whatever that means..I assume he worked with the dye lots in the cotton mills) His wife is Jane born in approx 1809 in Lancaster Town. She is listed as a cotton doubler (whatever that is) , there is one daughter, Ellen who was born in 1830 in Lancaster, Manchester and listed as a servant. They are listed as living at 1 Cross Street shed #63. The ecclesiastical district is not listed neither is the borough. I know that Charles legs were crippled and he used two canes to walk. His back may have been deformed, also. If he was born crippled, perhaps he was apprenticed out, young? Maybe he suffered an accident? Perhaps he came from Somerset to seek his fortune? Was there an industry in Somerset that would have prepared Charles to work in the Cotton Mills? I assume from the type of work they did and from other accounts, they were some of the very poor working class. As I can't find this family in the census before 1851, I wonder if anyone can see if there is a Salford census for 1840? If his wife was 10 years younger, perhaps it was a second marriage? If the wife was from Lancaster and the daughter born there, where would I find the marriage records? Did they have any other kids? What parish would be in that area? St Trinity? Are there parish records for St Trinity? Would that be where the working poor would go? Any help you can give me would be appreciated. Any ideas where to look further..anything at all would be welcome. Thank you most sincerely, Lorna Rosenstein

Sometimes water damaged and otherwise poor census images can be rendered a little more legible if someone knows how to clean them up. If you can give me some clearly legible names, ages, as well as the Parish from that page, or the film, roll and page number that would identify it, I can try to have a friend who knows how to do that, look at the page for you. What website did you see it at? I know there is Linux software available to do this sort of thing, although I don't know the exact program names, and think there must be Windows software as well that can do the same thing. On 8/8/08, Mavis Griffiths <mavisgg@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi Rob, > > I found 30 Hart Street, Manchester (London Road disc) but sorry there were > no names > it looked like there would have been 10 people before the next number 32, > must have > been illegible. There was no name Ashelby in the surnames list either. > > Regards > Mavis

Please,is there somebody with access to the 1851 census that could look up James WOOD 2 Loyd St Greenhays Grocer & Tea Dealer aged 38 & William WOOD Cheetham Hill Grocer, sorry don't have a more specifice address for William but he is possibly aged 52 Many thanks Sandra Aus

BlankHI Mike I have found a Blackthorn St. in Beswick which is just north of Ardwick. It is located running south from Albert St. which in turn is located to the south of Ashton New Road. Bryan in Ontario

BlankHI Mike I have found a Blackthorn St. in Beswick which is just north of Ardwick. It is located running south from Albert St. which in turn is located to the south of Ashton New Road. Bryan in Ontario

I have found a Blackthorn St. in Beswick which is just north of Ardwick. It is located running south from Albert St. which in turn is located to the south of Ashton New Road. Bryan in Ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hines" <deneb@onetel.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:33 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] [ENG_MAN] 24 Blackthorn Street Ardwick > Hello All > > Does anyone know the reference for this address in the 1901 Census (or > indeed did it exist in 1901?) - I have access to the Census but don't know > how to find the street without wading through lots of screens! > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Madalyn, Yes, that's very helpful. The head of household is Harry Strafford. Wonderful. Just an aside. I went back to directories site because I was confused as to why I came up with nothing yesterday when there is obviously something to be had. Yesterday I did a search for Broad Street. I know I did because the computer filled it in for me today. And today 540 results popped up. I'll have to keep that in mind next time I do a search there. I couldn't figure out why there would be no Broad Street results. Thanks again, Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "howandmad.t21@btinternet.com" <howandmad@talk21.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] hotel at 311 Broad Street, Salford > Hi Daryl, > > According to "Slaters Manchester, Salford and Suburban Directory" 1903 > (page > 72) > > 305 and 307 Broad Street, Pendleton was: > Horse Shoe Hotel, Harry Strafford > > 301 and 303 was Knowles John & Son, grocers wine & spirit merchants > then came Church Street > 305 and 307 Horse Shoe Hotel > 313 Handforth C. J. & Son, bakers and cheese factors > > Hope this helps. > Regards, Madalyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D. Howland" <howlands@verizon.net> > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:09 AM > Subject: [ENG-MAN] hotel at 311 Broad Street, Salford > > >> Hello All, >> >> I've found a possible relative and was hoping someone could help me with >> the location. He's in the 1901 census as living at 311 Broad Street, >> Pendleton, St. Thomas parish, Salford. It seems to be a hotel going by >> the >> occupants (barmaids, bellman, cook) and the head is listed as a >> victualler. I was wondering if someone knows what the hotel was called. I >> can't find a listing on the http://www.historicaldirectories.org site. >> The >> street listed above it is Seedley Road. >> >> Thanks, >> Daryl >> >> >> >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >> >> Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >> Other people can learn from them! >> >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All Does anyone know the reference for this address in the 1901 Census (or indeed did it exist in 1901?) - I have access to the Census but don't know how to find the street without wading through lots of screens! Thanks Mike

Hi Daryl, According to "Slaters Manchester, Salford and Suburban Directory" 1903 (page 72) 305 and 307 Broad Street, Pendleton was: Horse Shoe Hotel, Harry Strafford 301 and 303 was Knowles John & Son, grocers wine & spirit merchants then came Church Street 305 and 307 Horse Shoe Hotel 313 Handforth C. J. & Son, bakers and cheese factors Hope this helps. Regards, Madalyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "D. Howland" <howlands@verizon.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:09 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] hotel at 311 Broad Street, Salford > Hello All, > > I've found a possible relative and was hoping someone could help me with > the location. He's in the 1901 census as living at 311 Broad Street, > Pendleton, St. Thomas parish, Salford. It seems to be a hotel going by the > occupants (barmaids, bellman, cook) and the head is listed as a > victualler. I was wondering if someone knows what the hotel was called. I > can't find a listing on the http://www.historicaldirectories.org site. The > street listed above it is Seedley Road. > > Thanks, > Daryl > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello All, I've found a possible relative and was hoping someone could help me with the location. He's in the 1901 census as living at 311 Broad Street, Pendleton, St. Thomas parish, Salford. It seems to be a hotel going by the occupants (barmaids, bellman, cook) and the head is listed as a victualler. I was wondering if someone knows what the hotel was called. I can't find a listing on the http://www.historicaldirectories.org site. The street listed above it is Seedley Road. Thanks, Daryl

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Hi Glad to help. With the time differences and everything, if you give me the details I could maybe call them for you? I live in the area. Or you could email them then you'd not need to worry about the time. One other thing - it's a Bank Holiday here in England tomorrow (Monday August 25) so the offices wont be open. Yes the cost is the same - £7.00. The only difference there is the postage (mailing cost?) is free with the online GRO and a stamped addressed envelope is expected using the local register offices. Good luck! Let me know if I can help with the phone or anything. Val the cohens wrote: > Marlene and Val, > > Thank your for your replies. I think I will go back to the > Lancashire site and copy down the local Registar's record number, and > then call the Manchester Office. > > Going to the Manchester Registrar site, the fee of 7 pounds still > applies, it seems the same cost as GRO, and it does not say a true > copy, so I want to confirm with them. My credit card will convert to > sterling so maybe I can even order by phone as they say. They say > they cannot respond quickly to inquiries due to the increased interest > in genealogy of late. > > Except I am not alert enough to call at 7 or 8 am Pacific time, before > the office closes, so I will have to decide about what is most > practical. I am not sure what I will do. > > Thanks. > > >

I too have used the local register offices and another tip for UK residents is to put your phone number on the letter. They have phoned me in the past to check things. Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Irene Marlborough Sent: 24 August 2008 16:35 To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Pixton - condition to certificate There is a way to use conditions on cert applications for free. If you use the local registrar, then (mostly) they are willing to check your conditions and return either the certificate or the entire fee if the conditions are not met. I've done this a lot and I realise that it's easier if you have means of paying in sterling. Although I live in the USA, I do maintain a sterling bank account and so I'm able to write cheques to local registrars. For most people living abroad this is not an option. I just mentioned it for those resident in the UK or those who have relatives with access to sterling funds. I've been treated really well by most local registrar offices and the Manchester one, in particular, has been superb. If the event you are researching has already been transcribed and on http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/, then you can use the form they provide to get the correct references to the local registrar. These are not the same references used for the GRO. But even if it hasn't been transcribed yet, a simple letter to the registrar's office in question usually does the trick. Best wishes, Irene ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1629 - Release Date: 23/08/2008 13:16 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1629 - Release Date: 23/08/2008 13:16

Can't remember if this was posted recently and don't see anything in the lists' archives, so . . . If you go to TNA at <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=127-m3&cid=2#2> which is "Records concerned with the administration of the poor law and other functions of the Churchwardens and Overseers of the Poor of Manchester" and scroll down, you'll find a Index of Apprentices. The list contains many familiar names -- perhaps one of yours? It is too long to copy and paste into this message, so when you have a chance, do have a look. Lynne

Hi folks, I really would endorse what Irene advised. I write a letter (with the clearest details possible, including details I want them to check before issuing a certificate) and include a s.a.e. I think you can't beat this method if you can use it and don't mind waiting a little bit longer for the result. I think the personal touch of a letter (as long as you write everything out clearly) brings the best results. Sally > There is a way to use conditions on cert applications for free. If > you use > the local registrar, then (mostly) they are willing to check your > conditions > and return either the certificate or the entire fee if the > conditions are > not met. I've done this a lot and I realise that it's easier if you > have > means of paying in sterling. > > Although I live in the USA, I do maintain a sterling bank account > and so I'm > able to write cheques to local registrars. For most people living > abroad > this is not an option. I just mentioned it for those resident in > the UK or > those who have relatives with access to sterling funds. > > I've been treated really well by most local registrar offices and the > Manchester one, in particular, has been superb. If the event you are > researching has already been transcribed and on > http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/, then you can use the form they > provide to > get the correct references to the local registrar. These are not > the same > references used for the GRO. But even if it hasn't been transcribed > yet, a > simple letter to the registrar's office in question usually does > the trick.

I know I have asked about this some time ago but I am completely stuck. I have a Thomas Green a brewer born around 1801 Manchester he married a Mary Ann (possible Consterdine) and they had the following children: Thomas 1832 St Marks Cheetham Hill Sarah 1840 Cheetham Hill Mary Jane 1838 Cheetham Hill Elizabeth 1843 Cheetham Hill I assume Thomas died some time before the 1851 census and the girls don't seem to have married. Son Thomas married Louisa Yendley. I am desperately trying to find the ancestors of Thomas Green 1801 but is this a lost cause? Would appreciate any advice. Regards Gill

There is a way to use conditions on cert applications for free. If you use the local registrar, then (mostly) they are willing to check your conditions and return either the certificate or the entire fee if the conditions are not met. I've done this a lot and I realise that it's easier if you have means of paying in sterling. Although I live in the USA, I do maintain a sterling bank account and so I'm able to write cheques to local registrars. For most people living abroad this is not an option. I just mentioned it for those resident in the UK or those who have relatives with access to sterling funds. I've been treated really well by most local registrar offices and the Manchester one, in particular, has been superb. If the event you are researching has already been transcribed and on http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/, then you can use the form they provide to get the correct references to the local registrar. These are not the same references used for the GRO. But even if it hasn't been transcribed yet, a simple letter to the registrar's office in question usually does the trick. Best wishes, Irene

Hi It basically means please don't issue unless the parents are shown as ....(and enter the names if you are sure). This way you will only receive the certificate *IF *the correct father is known. You can also enter anything in this section as qualifying information that you feel would single out your person so you don't get sent a wrong certificate. This would happen anyway regardless of you adding such as the above but the only drawback to ordering via the GRO online is you till get charged an admin. fee of £3.50. But at least this way you do get a copy of the original and not one written out by a staff member today. Hope this helps. Val (Taylor) the cohens wrote: > I have always gotten confused by the GRO explanation of using or > entering a condition for ordering a certificate. So, I have not used > the option. > > Can you explain? We have to pay the same amount, either way, don't > we? So when would it make a difference? > > > > >