Ruth, I have to agree with you on that! I too have spent hours searching at Manchester Central Library ... and seeing those entries are just heart breaking...sometimes, 2 children from the same family died on the same day! If anyone wants an internet view of such -- log onto http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Wigan/Wigan/allsaints/index.html I just picked these years at random - the Wigan site has lots transcribed. Well done Maggie and co! Pat W ----- Original Message ----- From: RuthGenda@aol.com To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Holmes Buildings, Hulme, 1834 >snip ..And I've also got in my heart and memory the terrible toll of infant mortality between 1820 and 1835 (the years I was searching). I know, I've read all about it - tables of statistics - pages in novels -seen plays and paintings - but nothing hits home like those stark entries. Often as many as 10 entries to 1 adult. It was appalling. So with the success of questions answered has come a great sadness. They were just babies, you know.<snip

As always a Magnificent Job Very Well done Many Thanks Joyce Sanderson > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:49:24 -0400> From: rwlist.admin@verizon.net> To: eng-lan-wigan@rootsweb.com; eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com; lancsgen@rootsweb.com; eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ENG-MAN] LancashireBMD updates - September> > Latest updates to Lancashire BMD <www.lancashirebmd.org.uk>> Be sure to see the note under 1 September marriages with regard to > Rochdale entries.> > > 5 September 2008 > > BIRTHS> > Replaced 20,214 births for Hyndburn RD to add Mother's Maiden Name. The > records affected are Accrington, (1882-1901)> > Added 33,283 births for Wigan & Leigh RD comprising: Ashton (1921-1926); > Aspull (1922-1926); Atherton (1921-1926); Culcheth (1921-1924); Hindley > (1917-1926); Leigh (1921-1926); Lowton (1917-1927); Orrell (1921-1926); > Standish (1921-1926); Wigan (1921-1922); Wigan (Central) (1904-1926); > Wigan (East) (1921-1926); Wigan (West) (1897-1927)> > > 1 September 2008 > > MARRIAGES> > NOTE: Marriages for Rochdale RD for the years 1906, 1913 and 1914 have > been temporarily removed. There was an error in the original data > affecting all entries. These will be restored following amendment.> > Added 80 marriages for Lunesdale RD comprising: Wray, Methodist Chapel > (1963-1985); Quernmore, Methodist, Lunesdale (1966-2005); Caton, > Methodist (1954-1966)> > Added 283 marriages for Preesall RD comprising: Preessall, Bethel, > United Reformed (1954-1994); Hambleton, United Reformed (1965-1995); > Pilling, Methodist Church (1953-1998); Knott End, Emmanuel Gospel > (1973-1973); Hambleton, St Francis of Assisi (1982-1982)> > Added 182 marriages for Garstang RD comprising: Garstang, United > Reformed - Congregational (1971-1993); Garstang, Methodist Chapel > (1976-2006); Inskip, Baptist Chapel (1951-1974); Claughton, St Thomas > R.C. (1990-1999); Great Eccleston, St Marys R.C. (1982-1982); Barnacre, > St Mary and St Michael R.C. (2003-2007)> > > BIRTHS> > Added 26,662 births for Oldham RD covering ALL sub-districts 1901-1905> > Added 23,338 births for St Helens RD comprising St Helens North (1935-1954)> > Added 4,184 births for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn South Western, > (1930-1936)> > Added 61,040 births for Lancaster RD comprising: Ellel (1837-1937); > Heaton (1901-1918); Lancaster (1837-1893); Morecambe (1918-1919); Wray > (1837-1918)> > > DEATHS> Added 10,474 deaths for Hyndburn RD comprising: Great Harwood, (1895-1924)> > Added 20,436 deaths for Preston RD comprising: St Peters (1878-1883); > Trinity (1885-1903)> > Added 22,432 deaths for Bury RD comprising: Bury North (1855-1863); Bury > South (1856-1862); Elton (1848-1863); Holcombe (1841-1867); Pilkington > (1837-1857); Prestwich (1843-1855); Radcliffe (1846-1857); > Tottington(1837-1863); Walmersley (1837-1857)> > ~~~~~~~~~~> > Many thanks to all involved! If you'd like to convey your thanks to > those responsible for this splendid work, go to> <http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/mailme.php>; and leave a message.> > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~> > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list.> Other people can learn from them!> > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Are you paid what you're worth? Find out: SEEK Salary Centre http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcareer%2Dresources%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Asc%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endtext_salary&_m=EXT

Hello Listers Twice now I've put in a request for a look-up for the burial of my 2xggrandmother, but alas no takers. I'm not surprised. This week I took myself up to Manchester and I spent two-and-a-half full days (10am - 8pm) of my week winding away at the films which showed burials in non-conformist cemetries. Guess what? I've got neck ache and back ache and eye strain... But, I HAVE got the entry for my gggrandmother's burial!!! And those of four of her children. Just three survived. And I've also got in my heart and memory the terrible toll of infant mortality between 1820 and 1835 (the years I was searching). I know, I've read all about it - tables of statistics - pages in novels -seen plays and paintings - but nothing hits home like those stark entries. Often as many as 10 entries to 1 adult. It was appalling. So with the success of questions answered has come a great sadness. They were just babies, you know. But back to the digging. Gggrandmother, Elizabeth FLETCHER, was buried in Great Bridgewater St. Methodist Cemetery - not Rusholme as I first thought - on 21 March 1834 and her address was given as Holmes Buildings, Hulme. Does anyone know anything about these buildings? Where were they in Hulme? The archivists and I searched old maps, including Godfrey's of 1849 but couldn't find Holmes Buildings. Originally the family had lived at 29 Little Bridgewater Street - and we couldn't find that either - and after that lived at 2 Bank Place, Salford - ran out of time to look. Later, husband Charles moved to 3 Princess Street, his three surviving children all off his hands and earning reasonable livings - in fact, doing very well. If anyone has information about these addresses I'd be grateful - and Mike, if you read this and can spot Holmes Buildings on one of your maps I'd be really happy. Thanks Ruth

Dear Mike I would also be grateful for a copy of this map. Kind regards Annie Barker Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Mike Morris Sent: Friday, 5 September 2008 11:26 AM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] need help-St Simons Salford marriage records 1849-1926 Hello Lorna, I will send you St Simons church in 1844 on a map section. Its north of Green Gate and Broughton road Cheers Mike Morris Torono Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorna" <Lorna@xmission.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:28 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] need help-St Simons Salford marriage records 1849-1926 > Dear fellow research hounds.. > > I really need help finding a marriage record between Ellen (or Eleanor) > EDMONDS (Edmunds) b 1829 and James PICKERING b 1831 that appears to > have been recorded in Salfords St Simons church on Springfield Road. > What Im looking for is her father and mothers names. I can't see any > microfilm records for St Simons anywhere so I have to appeal to some > kind soul who might have access to local records. I think a copy of the > register is available at Salford Local Family History Centre. > > In an old booklet Parish Register Holdings at Salford Local History > Library, they seem to have the C of E Registers for St Simon's Church, > Salford, marriages 1849>1926. > > What I suspect is her father was Charles Edmonds and mother Mary Ellen > Grundy > > What we know: > > Marriage: 1859 - Salford, St. Simon (between Oct>Dec) > > Ellen EDMUNDS and James PICKERING > > 1861 census entry for this couple: > > 11 East Philip Street, Salford, (Greengate) > James PICKERING 30 Chemical Manufactory b.Cheshire, Churton > Ellen wife 30 Manchester, Lancs. > Mary A dau. 5 b.Salford > John son 2 months b.Salford > > I have been unable to locate a birth for a Mary A Pickering but there is > one for a > > Mary Ann EDMONDS b.1856 Salford, Greengate area > > John was reg. as John Pickering in March Q/1861 Salford (Greengate) > > Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated. > > Sincerely, > > Lorna Rosenstein > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1652 - Release Date: 9/4/2008 6:54 PM

Hi Todd, Possibly could be Levenshume....pronounced Levens Hulme. There is still a Milwain Rd there. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=387057&y=393309&z=0&sv=M19&st=2&pc=M19&ar=N&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&sq=1 Look directly under Levenshulme that is in bold type - 2nd parallel down Pat W ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Holes To: ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 5:10 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Manchester Address Hello list, I am trying to find an address that was listed on a U.S. immigration record in 1947 for next-of-kin. It is: 73 Milwain Road, Sefenshulme, Manchester, England. The name was John Whitfield. I've searched and have had no luck. Can anyone show me on a map where this was? Thanks, Todd

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mavis Griffiths" <mavisgg@btinternet.com> To: <toddholes@comcast.net> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 5:45 PM Subject: LEVENSHULME Manchester Address > Hello Todd, > > Milwain Road is in Levenshulme. If you go to www.streetmap.co.uk > put in Milwain and tick street it will take you to Milwain Road so that > you can see where it is. > > Regards > Mavis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd Holes" <toddholes@comcast.net> > To: <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 5:10 PM > Subject: [ENG-MAN] Manchester Address > > >> Hello list, >> >> >> >> I am trying to find an address that was listed on a U.S. immigration >> record >> in 1947 for next-of-kin. >> >> >> >> It is: >> >> >> >> 73 Milwain Road, Sefenshulme, Manchester, England. >> >> >> >> The name was John Whitfield. >> >> >> >> I've searched and have had no luck. >> >> >> >> Can anyone show me on a map where this was? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Todd >> >> >> >> >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >> >> Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >> Other people can learn from them! >> >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

It's LEVENSHULME Try that. Dorothy In a message dated 05/09/2008 17:31:38 GMT Daylight Time, toddholes@comcast.net writes: Hello list, I am trying to find an address that was listed on a U.S. immigration record in 1947 for next-of-kin. It is: 73 Milwain Road, Sefenshulme, Manchester, England. The name was John Whitfield. I've searched and have had no luck. Can anyone show me on a map where this was? Thanks, Todd ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Latest updates to Lancashire BMD <www.lancashirebmd.org.uk> Be sure to see the note under 1 September marriages with regard to Rochdale entries. 5 September 2008 BIRTHS Replaced 20,214 births for Hyndburn RD to add Mother's Maiden Name. The records affected are Accrington, (1882-1901) Added 33,283 births for Wigan & Leigh RD comprising: Ashton (1921-1926); Aspull (1922-1926); Atherton (1921-1926); Culcheth (1921-1924); Hindley (1917-1926); Leigh (1921-1926); Lowton (1917-1927); Orrell (1921-1926); Standish (1921-1926); Wigan (1921-1922); Wigan (Central) (1904-1926); Wigan (East) (1921-1926); Wigan (West) (1897-1927) 1 September 2008 MARRIAGES NOTE: Marriages for Rochdale RD for the years 1906, 1913 and 1914 have been temporarily removed. There was an error in the original data affecting all entries. These will be restored following amendment. Added 80 marriages for Lunesdale RD comprising: Wray, Methodist Chapel (1963-1985); Quernmore, Methodist, Lunesdale (1966-2005); Caton, Methodist (1954-1966) Added 283 marriages for Preesall RD comprising: Preessall, Bethel, United Reformed (1954-1994); Hambleton, United Reformed (1965-1995); Pilling, Methodist Church (1953-1998); Knott End, Emmanuel Gospel (1973-1973); Hambleton, St Francis of Assisi (1982-1982) Added 182 marriages for Garstang RD comprising: Garstang, United Reformed - Congregational (1971-1993); Garstang, Methodist Chapel (1976-2006); Inskip, Baptist Chapel (1951-1974); Claughton, St Thomas R.C. (1990-1999); Great Eccleston, St Marys R.C. (1982-1982); Barnacre, St Mary and St Michael R.C. (2003-2007) BIRTHS Added 26,662 births for Oldham RD covering ALL sub-districts 1901-1905 Added 23,338 births for St Helens RD comprising St Helens North (1935-1954) Added 4,184 births for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn South Western, (1930-1936) Added 61,040 births for Lancaster RD comprising: Ellel (1837-1937); Heaton (1901-1918); Lancaster (1837-1893); Morecambe (1918-1919); Wray (1837-1918) DEATHS Added 10,474 deaths for Hyndburn RD comprising: Great Harwood, (1895-1924) Added 20,436 deaths for Preston RD comprising: St Peters (1878-1883); Trinity (1885-1903) Added 22,432 deaths for Bury RD comprising: Bury North (1855-1863); Bury South (1856-1862); Elton (1848-1863); Holcombe (1841-1867); Pilkington (1837-1857); Prestwich (1843-1855); Radcliffe (1846-1857); Tottington(1837-1863); Walmersley (1837-1857) ~~~~~~~~~~ Many thanks to all involved! If you'd like to convey your thanks to those responsible for this splendid work, go to <http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/mailme.php>; and leave a message.

August updates to Lancashire BMD <www.lancashirebmd.org.uk> - 23 August 2008 MARRIAGES Added 21,560 marriages for Bolton RD comprising: all CofE, Authorised Person and Register Office/Registrar Attended marriages (1910-1919) DEATHS Added 20,174 deaths for Bolton RD comprising: Bolton North (1947-1959); Bolton South (1954-1956); Farnworth (1926-1929); Great Bolton & Lever (1923-1932); Horwich (1929-1942); Kearsley (1944-1951); Little Bolton (1936-1947); 15,472 deaths for Hyndburn RD comprising: Great Harwood (1837-1895) Added 16,931 deaths for Preston RD comprising: Preston (1874-1877), Trinity (1878-1885) 22 August 2008 BIRTHS Added 5,998 births for Trafford RD comprising: Stretford (1923-1930) These records duplicated from CheshireBMD MARRIAGES Added 3,238 marriages for Lancaster RD comprising: Lancaster, St John the Evangelist (1959-1980); Morecambe, Holy Trinity (1950-2005); Scotforth, St Paul (1988-1999); Carnforth, Christ Church (1961-1988); Slyne with Hest, St Luke (1961-2005); Skerton, St Luke (1971-1990);Yealand Conyers, St John (1984-2001); Bare, St Christopher (1987-2002); Sandylands, St John (1979-1994); Heysham, St Peter (1982-1999) Added 728 marriages for Preesall RD comprising: Hambleton, Blessed Virgin Mary (1988-1995); Out Rawcliffe, St John (1982-2000); Preesall, St Oswald (1956-1998); Stalmine, St James (1950-2000) Added 2,560 marriages for Rochdale RD comprising: Heywood, Baptist Chapel (1916-1916); Castleton, United Reformed Church (1911-1916); Chadderton, Middleton Juncton, Methodist Church (1911-1916); Wardle, Methodist Chapel (1911-1916); Rochdale, Newbold Baptist Chapel (1911-1911); Rochdale, Trinity Methodist Church (1911-1916); Heywood, Mission Chapel (1916-1916); Littleborough, Methodist Church (Dearnley) (1916-1916); Middleton, Methodist Church (Long Street) (1916-1916); Rochdale, Smallbridge Methodist Church (1911-1916); Middleton, Providence United Reformed (1911-1916); Littleborough, Methodist Church (Victoria Street) (1911-1916); Rochdale, Castlemere Methodist Church (formerly United Methodist, William Street) (1911-1916); Rochdale, St Andrews United Reformed Church (1911-1916); Heywood, Trinity Methodist Church (1911-1916); Castleton, Castleton Moor Methodist Church (1916-1916); Bamford, United Reformed Church (1911-1916); Rochdale, Brimrod Methodist Church (1916-1916); Heywood, United Reformed Church (1911-1916); Rochdale, Wesley Chapel (1911-1916); Heywood, Bethel Chapel (1911-1916); Littleborough, Methodist Chapel (Church Street) (1911-1916); Rochdale, Methodist Chapel (Union Street) (1911-1916); Milnrow, Wesley Chapel (1911-1916); Rochdale, Methodist Church (Lowerplace) (1911-1916); Norden, Methodist Chapel (Lanehead) (1916-1916); Castleton, Methodist Church (Heywood Road) (1916-1916); Heap Bridge, Bethel Chapel (1911-1916); Norden, Methodist Chapel (Bagslate) (1911-1911); Heywood, Salem Methodist Chapel (1911-1916); Balderstone, St Mary (1911-1916); Rochdale, St Chad (1911-1916); Wardleworth, St Mary the Virgin (1911-1916); Rochdale, The Good Shepherd (1911-1916); Deeplish, St Lukes Church Centre (1911-1916); Sudden, St Aidan (1916-1916); Rochdale, St Clements (1911-1916); Birch, St Mary (1911-1916); Belfield, St Ann (1916-1916); Middleton, St Leonard (1911-1916); Middleton Juncton, St Gabriel (1911-1916); Middleton, Holy Trinity (1911-1916); Rhodes, All Saints (1911-1916); Thornham, St John (1911-1916); Tonge, St Michael (1911-1916); Bamford, St Michael (1911-1916); Birtle, St John (1911-1916); Heywood, All Souls (1911-1916); Castleton Moor, St Martin (1911-1916); Heap Bridge, St George (1911-1916); Heywood, St James (1911-1916); Heywood, St Luke (1911-1916); Hopwood, St John (1911-1916); Milnrow, St James (1911-1916); Newhey, St Thomas (1911-1916); Calderbrook, St James (1911-1916); Dearnley, St Andrews (1911-1916); Wardleworth, St James (1911-1916); Littleborough, Holy Trinity (1911-1916); Falinge, St Edmund (1911-1916); Shore, St Barnabas (1911-1916); Smallbridge, St John the Baptist (1911-1916); Wardle, St James the Apostle (1911-1916); Rochdale, St Albans (1911-1916); Hamer, All Saints (1911-1916); Healey, Christ Church (1911-1916); Newbold, St Peter (1911-1916); Norden, St Paul (1911-1916); Rochdale Register Office or Registrar Attended (1911-1916) 11 August 2008 BIRTHS Added 82,917 births for Liverpool RD comprising: Toxteth Park (1934-1952); Toxteth Park Central (1907-1928); Toxteth Park East (1907-1928); Toxteth Park North (1928-1934); Toxteth Park SW (1907-1923) Added 18,989 births for Manchester RD comprising: Hulme (1856-1863) Added 7,608 births for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn South Western (1921-1930) 4 August 2008 BIRTHS Replaced 20,906 births for Hyndburn RD comprising: Accrington (1860-1883) to add mother's maiden name. MARRIAGES Added 1,480 marriages for Burnley RD comprising: Colne, Methodist School Chapel (Cotton Tree) (1938-1962); Briercliffe, Ebenezer Chapel (Halifax Rd) (1920-1963); Burnley, Elim Methodist Chapel (Briercliffe Rd) (1915-1975); Burnley, Methodist School Chapel (Lowerhouse) (1910-1959); Barnoldswick, Independent Methodist Chapel (1921-1963); Colne, Inghamite School Chapel (Cotton Tree) (1902-1955); Nelson, United Reform Church (Brunswick St) (1909-1965); Burnley, Ightenhill Methodist Church (1928-1952); Nelson, Baptist Chapel (Woodlands Rd) (1927-1951); Foulridge, Methodist Chapel (Mount Pleasant) (1932-1990); Barnoldswick, Baptist Church Centre (Manchester Rd) (1915-1968); Earby, St Peter's Methodist Church (Riley St) (1920-1955); Barnoldswick, St Andrews Methodist Church (Mosley St) (1920-1934) Added 9,645 marriages for Lancaster RD comprising: Over Kellet, St Cuthbert (1991-2005); Tunstall, St John The Baptist (1953-1994); Borwick, St Mary (1986-2002); Caton (Brookhouse), St Paul (1981-1998); Halton, St Wilfrede (1985-2004); Leck, St Peter (1979-1998); Winmarleigh, St Luke (1972-2002); Copp, St Anne (1970-1993); Garstang, St Helen (1994-2004); Garstang, St Thomas The Apostle (1997-2004); St Michael's On Wyre, St Michael (1981-2006); Bolton-Le-Sands, Holy Trinity (1986-2003); Lancaster, St Anne (1958-1958); Morecambe, St Barnabas (1974-1981); Overton, St Helen (1985-2001); Silverdale, St John (1954-1989); Torrisholme, Church of Ascension (1958-1989); Glasson, Christ Church (1956-1996); Sandylands, St John (1951-1979); Lancaster Register Office or Registrar Attended (1918-1953) Added 2,426 marriages for Blackburn RD comprising: Darwen Register Office or Registrar Attended (1941-1955) DEATHS Added 8,494 deaths for Rochdale RD comprising: Castleton Nearer (1851-1875) Added 16,233 deaths for Hyndburn RD comprising: Oswaldtwistle (1890-1953) Added 11,490 deaths for Hyndburn RD comprising: Oswaldtwistle (1857-1890) Added 18,488 deaths for Preston RD comprising: Preston (1866-1874) Added 10,488 deaths for Bury RD comprising: Birtle (1848-1870); Bury North (1849-1862); Bury South (1842-1856) and Prestwich (1837-1843) Added 23,764 deaths for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn Northern (1899-1936) ~~~~~~~~~~ Many thanks to all involved! 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Hello list, I am trying to find an address that was listed on a U.S. immigration record in 1947 for next-of-kin. It is: 73 Milwain Road, Sefenshulme, Manchester, England. The name was John Whitfield. I've searched and have had no luck. Can anyone show me on a map where this was? Thanks, Todd

Hello Lorna, I will send you St Simons church in 1844 on a map section. Its north of Green Gate and Broughton road Cheers Mike Morris Torono Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorna" <Lorna@xmission.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:28 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] need help-St Simons Salford marriage records 1849-1926 > Dear fellow research hounds.. > > I really need help finding a marriage record between Ellen (or Eleanor) > EDMONDS (Edmunds) b 1829 and James PICKERING b 1831 that appears to > have been recorded in Salfords St Simons church on Springfield Road. > What Im looking for is her father and mothers names. I can't see any > microfilm records for St Simons anywhere so I have to appeal to some > kind soul who might have access to local records. I think a copy of the > register is available at Salford Local Family History Centre. > > In an old booklet Parish Register Holdings at Salford Local History > Library, they seem to have the C of E Registers for St Simon's Church, > Salford, marriages 1849>1926. > > What I suspect is her father was Charles Edmonds and mother Mary Ellen > Grundy > > What we know: > > Marriage: 1859 - Salford, St. Simon (between Oct>Dec) > > Ellen EDMUNDS and James PICKERING > > 1861 census entry for this couple: > > 11 East Philip Street, Salford, (Greengate) > James PICKERING 30 Chemical Manufactory b.Cheshire, Churton > Ellen wife 30 Manchester, Lancs. > Mary A dau. 5 b.Salford > John son 2 months b.Salford > > I have been unable to locate a birth for a Mary A Pickering but there is > one for a > > Mary Ann EDMONDS b.1856 Salford, Greengate area > > John was reg. as John Pickering in March Q/1861 Salford (Greengate) > > Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated. > > Sincerely, > > Lorna Rosenstein > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear fellow research hounds.. I really need help finding a marriage record between Ellen (or Eleanor) EDMONDS (Edmunds) b 1829 and James PICKERING b 1831 that appears to have been recorded in Salfords St Simons church on Springfield Road. What Im looking for is her father and mothers names. I can't see any microfilm records for St Simons anywhere so I have to appeal to some kind soul who might have access to local records. I think a copy of the register is available at Salford Local Family History Centre. In an old booklet Parish Register Holdings at Salford Local History Library, they seem to have the C of E Registers for St Simon's Church, Salford, marriages 1849>1926. What I suspect is her father was Charles Edmonds and mother Mary Ellen Grundy What we know: Marriage: 1859 - Salford, St. Simon (between Oct>Dec) Ellen EDMUNDS and James PICKERING 1861 census entry for this couple: 11 East Philip Street, Salford, (Greengate) James PICKERING 30 Chemical Manufactory b.Cheshire, Churton Ellen wife 30 Manchester, Lancs. Mary A dau. 5 b.Salford John son 2 months b.Salford I have been unable to locate a birth for a Mary A Pickering but there is one for a Mary Ann EDMONDS b.1856 Salford, Greengate area John was reg. as John Pickering in March Q/1861 Salford (Greengate) Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Lorna Rosenstein

That's great Mary, and it's good to see a definitive answer! It will be interesting to know if there is a charge and what sort of info they give you. Perhaps you'll let us know that as well if you go ahead? Pat W ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary R. Moogk Dear Mrs Moogk Thank you for your e-mail. Information regarding passports issued during the 1950s are available in the Identity & Passport Service's archives. Requests for information regarding British passports should be made in writing to; Peterborough Searches PO Box 215 Peterborough PE1 1QQ Yours sincerely G. Clarkson Customer Correspondence Team

Hi Mike, Looking for clues... It's curious to think what a 'station' would have been in 1813? A dictionary couples the meaning of 'station' with 'military', so perhaps it was associated with the Barracks or the police? Perhaps you could email the Manchester Archives to ask about it. I presume he had died by the 1841 census, when you would be able to pick him up? Another thought... perhaps the boundaries of Hulme were different to what they were later in the century? Sally in Yorkshire On 2 Sep 2008, at 15:24, ROB SHEPHERD wrote: > Does anyone know where Station Street was in Hulme. I have a directory > extract for 1813 Pigots Manchester and Salford: George Shepherd > shoemaker 6 > Station Street Hulme. > > Mike can't find the street on his 1844 map of Hulme and wonders if the > street may have been removed to make way for the railway. Any ideas > anyone? > > Many thanks. > > Rob > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG- > MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry Bryan, I dont see a Broughton road in Hulme. :(( I did mention to Rob, there is a Station street to the south east of London Road Railway station in 1844. But this is in the Chorlton on Medlock area. The time period that Rob is looking into is before the railway lines and stations. Its very possible this street was ripped up before 1841 in Hulme to make way for the new tracks and stations. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Stanley" <bryan.stanley@sympatico.ca> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Cc: <robshepherd1974@googlemail.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 7:55 PM > In my 1950's map I found a reference to Station St. being off Broughton > Road > possibly where it met the R.R. tracks.<snip>

Dear Mrs Moogk Thank you for your e-mail. Information regarding passports issued during the 1950s are available in the Identity & Passport Service's archives. Requests for information regarding British passports should be made in writing to; Peterborough Searches PO Box 215 Peterborough PE1 1QQ Yours sincerely G. Clarkson Customer Correspondence Team > From: pat.williams121@virgin.net > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:09:28 +0100 > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Old Passports > > Hi Mary, > It looks like you have a difficult job there, but if you want to make direct > enquiries yourself, here's a link. Don't forget to let us all know the > outcome. > Pat W > > http://www.ips.gov.uk/passport/contact-general.asp > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mary R. Moogk > > I was looking for more information about a Joseph and Maud Herbert(from > England) who were on a ships list for 1954. No age or anything else was > listed. Her number was V. 724592 > Mary > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________

In my 1950's map I found a reference to Station St. being off Broughton Road possibly where it met the R.R. tracks. Bryan > Does anyone know where Station Street was in Hulme. I have a directory > extract for 1813 Pigots Manchester and Salford: George Shepherd shoemaker > 6 > Station Street Hulme. > > Mike can't find the street on his 1844 map of Hulme and wonders if the > street may have been removed to make way for the railway. Any ideas > anyone? > > Many thanks. > > Rob > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Does anyone know where Station Street was in Hulme. I have a directory extract for 1813 Pigots Manchester and Salford: George Shepherd shoemaker 6 Station Street Hulme. Mike can't find the street on his 1844 map of Hulme and wonders if the street may have been removed to make way for the railway. Any ideas anyone? Many thanks. Rob

Hi Sally I have looked at the Queensland, South Aust and Victorian BMD records for your Derbyshire family, nothing in the first 2 states but there is a marriage for a Mary Ann DERBYSHIRE in Victoria Mary Ann DERBYSHIRE Married 1889 to Saml TATTERSALL reg 525 Mary Ann Born Stockport Lancs. Is this anywhere near Hulme? Samuel TATTERSALL born Summercuts Lancs Died 1891 Tarnagulla age 59 reg no 4211 Mary Ann TATTERSALL then married 1893 to Hy WALKER born Rothwell Eng. Death Reg no 3841. I have been unable to find a death for Mary Ann WALKER upto 1985 These certificates would be available for a fee from Registery Victorian Birth Death & marriages (a Goole search will take you to the web site) No sign of the other family members Sandra Aus >> James DERBYSHIRE, b. abt 1825, Urmston near Manchester, Lancashire >> and his daughter Mary Ann DERBYSHIRE, b. abt 1847, Hulme, Manchester, >> Lancashire >> >> John DERBYSHIRE, b. 1840, Chorlton district of Manchester, Lancashire >> his 2nd wife Elizabeth DERBYSHIRE (nee WHITAKER) b. abt 1837, >> Mossley, Yorkshire >> his daughter by his first wife, Lucy DERBYSHIRE b. 1860, Hulme, >> Manchester, Lancashire >> >> I have no other details which would help. Except I imagine they may >> have started up in glass in Australia as it would have been the only >> trade they knew. >> >> Many thanks! >> >> Sally >> in Yorkshire >> >> >>