St Mary's has moved around a bit in Manchester, the hospital that stands their is a fairly new one, the old St Mary's where I was born in 1964 may have been a work house. I do believe the hospital has been going since 1752 but at various locations. Hope this is of some help. Best wishes Julie patricia williams wrote: > I never thought about St Mary's Hospital (Manchester) originally being a > workhouse, but you are probably right. I am aware that lots of the old > hospitals were! I have done some Googling tonight, to try and get info on > this....I've come up with a Manchester Workhouse (not Crumpsall) - but > nothing yet to say it was definitely St Mary's. I expect there are some very > knowledgeable listers out there who have the answer! > Pat W > > From: alicia.taylor1@ntlworld.com > > Wasn't it the Workhouse at one time too? I'm sure i read that somewhere. > > Val > > patricia williams wrote: > I recently was spurred on by another lister to search for some old hospital > records. I found the details for St Mary's Hospital in Manchester > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

The man I'm researching is named Charles Edmonds b 17 Oct 1799, Isle Abbotts, Somerset. In the Manchester Chapel records he is married 1820 to Mary Ann Grundy and lists his occupation as private, 40th Foot. His first child is baptized 22 May 1825 and he lists his occupation as maker-up which may be a tailor of sorts unless it is a term for something he did in the military. His second daughter was born 6 Dec 1829 and not baptized until the 20th of April, 1834. Because of the dates, he may or may not have gone to Australia with his regiment, the Second Somersetshire in 1824. If he was a private, would his wife and child have gone to Australia? If he raised higher in rank, I can't seem to find him. Between the time of his muster into the 40th Foot, the Second Somersetshire and his death in 1856, his legs became paralyzed and he got around with two canes. By 1834, he lists his employement as a Dyer in the cotton mills of Salford. The most obvious place for an accident of that serverity is during his service. I have looked at some of the pension rolls but can't find him. I don't know where to look for hospital rolls during that time.. I wonder if anyone can give me suggestions? Thank you Lorna Rosenstein USA

What a great lead!! Viv, you refer to getting records from the A2A site. Can you please tell me what that is and where to find it? The man I am hunting was born in 1799 and was paralyzed, I suspect, during the Napoleonic wars and I don't know where to look for medical hospital records for injured soldiers. These Lunatic Asylum records might be worth a peek. Thanks, Lorna Rosenstein USA The Wilsons wrote: > Many thanks to Viv for the information. I will follow your suggestion. > > Kathleen Wilson > Isle of Man > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:51:01 +0000 (GMT) > From: VIVIEN ENGLAND <viv.england@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Alice Rhoda COLLINS - Prestwich Lunatic Asylum > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <748985.99300.qm@web87104.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi > ? > I obtained information for Prestwich Lunatic Asylum.? The records are held > in Preston, but I am not sure if they cover the dates you wish.? Mine were > from 1860.? I paid around ?10 - ?15 and they sent me all the?records.? My > ancestor seemed to have had a?mental breakdown, because I also received all > the?conversations that his wife had with the Doctor, and the reason why he > was sent there.? I also received all the medical records, how they treated > him medically, which wasn't good, his mental state, what he was doing while > he was there, and eventually how he died. > ? > I firstly obtained the record numbers from the A2A site and emailed the > information over to Preston, they then advised me that they had the records > and I posted the cheque.? I received the information within a week.? These > records were probably the best I have encountered in all my research. > ? > So good luck, > ? > Viv > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I never thought about St Mary's Hospital (Manchester) originally being a workhouse, but you are probably right. I am aware that lots of the old hospitals were! I have done some Googling tonight, to try and get info on this....I've come up with a Manchester Workhouse (not Crumpsall) - but nothing yet to say it was definitely St Mary's. I expect there are some very knowledgeable listers out there who have the answer! Pat W From: alicia.taylor1@ntlworld.com Wasn't it the Workhouse at one time too? I'm sure i read that somewhere. Val patricia williams wrote: I recently was spurred on by another lister to search for some old hospital records. I found the details for St Mary's Hospital in Manchester

Thanks for sharing this Pat. It's quite sad I think that they have that policy but understandable I guess. With it being such an old hospital. Wasn't it the Workhouse at one time too? I'm sure i read that somewhere. Val patricia williams wrote: > I recently was spurred on by another lister to search for some old hospital > records. I found the details for St Mary's Hospital in Manchester (now > Manchester Royal as St Mary's is Maternity) on the AtoA site, which stated > the records were still kept at the Hospital. > I e-mailed the hospital and got a quick response which might be of general > interest. I was asking for the year 1916. > > > "the trust no longer have records from the period of time you require. > The Trust has a national destruction policy that allows records to be > destroyed after a certain length of time. > We are obliged to keep children's records until their twenty-fifth > birthday, we keep Gynaecology records for eight years and keep Obstetric > records for twenty-five years. > We do however have a lot of birth registers in our archive room." > > I would just like to add that the sender of this sad news is really trying > to be helpful and has requested more details in case she can help further. > Pat W > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1663 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 7:04 PM > >

I recently was spurred on by another lister to search for some old hospital records. I found the details for St Mary's Hospital in Manchester (now Manchester Royal as St Mary's is Maternity) on the AtoA site, which stated the records were still kept at the Hospital. I e-mailed the hospital and got a quick response which might be of general interest. I was asking for the year 1916. "the trust no longer have records from the period of time you require. The Trust has a national destruction policy that allows records to be destroyed after a certain length of time. We are obliged to keep children's records until their twenty-fifth birthday, we keep Gynaecology records for eight years and keep Obstetric records for twenty-five years. We do however have a lot of birth registers in our archive room." I would just like to add that the sender of this sad news is really trying to be helpful and has requested more details in case she can help further. Pat W

Hi   I obtained information for Prestwich Lunatic Asylum.  The records are held in Preston, but I am not sure if they cover the dates you wish.  Mine were from 1860.  I paid around £10 - £15 and they sent me all the records.  My ancestor seemed to have had a mental breakdown, because I also received all the conversations that his wife had with the Doctor, and the reason why he was sent there.  I also received all the medical records, how they treated him medically, which wasn't good, his mental state, what he was doing while he was there, and eventually how he died.   I firstly obtained the record numbers from the A2A site and emailed the information over to Preston, they then advised me that they had the records and I posted the cheque.  I received the information within a week.  These records were probably the best I have encountered in all my research.   So good luck,   Viv --- On Tue, 9/9/08, The Wilsons <wilsonro@manx.net> wrote: From: The Wilsons <wilsonro@manx.net> Subject: [ENG-MAN] Alice Rhoda COLLINS - Prestwich Lunatic Asylum To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, 9 September, 2008, 4:49 PM Hello List I am trying to find out when and why a gt gt aunt was admitted to Prestwich Lunatic Asylum. Alice Rhoda COLLINS is shown on the 1891 census as living at home at 120 Chapel Road, Hollinwood, Oldham aged 26 and on the 1901 census as a patient in Prestwich Lunatic Asylum aged 36. She died there on 27th September 1901 from tubercular enteritis. Does anyone have access to any records for this hospital or know where any information can be obtained. Many thanks Kathleen Wilson Isle of Man ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List I am trying to find out when and why a gt gt aunt was admitted to Prestwich Lunatic Asylum. Alice Rhoda COLLINS is shown on the 1891 census as living at home at 120 Chapel Road, Hollinwood, Oldham aged 26 and on the 1901 census as a patient in Prestwich Lunatic Asylum aged 36. She died there on 27th September 1901 from tubercular enteritis. Does anyone have access to any records for this hospital or know where any information can be obtained. Many thanks Kathleen Wilson Isle of Man

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Thank you Mike, for both your welcome and for your info. Here am I in NSW Australia, it seems you are in Canada, and we are both interested in forebears from England. Perhaps I should also list on a Cheshire mailing list too. Many thanks, Lis

Hi Daryl, Thank you for the information on William TONG. It was because he said he was born in Manchester that submitted the request. I will certainly look into that information and see what turns up. Audrey. -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eng-manchester-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 5:00 PM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: ENG-MANCHESTER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 291 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Be sure mail to the list is in plain text. When replying, please snip extraneous text and be sure to change the subject line to refect the content of your message. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Today's Topics: 1. Re: Holmes Buildings, Hulme, 1834 (Mike Morris) 2. Re: Holmes Buildings, Hulme, 1834 (RuthGenda@aol.com) 3. William TONG (Audrey Thomas) 4. Re: William TONG (D. Howland) 5. HUNT Mary A c1853-1930 (Lis) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:29:32 -0400 From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Holmes Buildings, Hulme, 1834 To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <3F405630A4F346D6B9607DCBCB20E9FF@admin96491d585> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Ruth, I have pored over the maps time and time again. I feel that Holmes buildin could have been in the area where they built the railway lines near in Knott Mill station. I did locate Bank Place its the east side of St Philips church in Salford. I have sent you this map section. By the way, no chance the building was named Hulme building ? I also am having a difficult time trying to locate Back Bridgwater street. My maps are dated the same time as your 1844. I have one dated 1801 and 1788, but dont see much other than Great Bridgewater street. Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <RuthGenda@aol.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 1:32 PM >> > And I've also got in my heart and memory the terrible toll of infant > mortality between 1820 and 1835 (the years I was searching). I know, I've > read all > about it - tables of statistics - pages in novels -seen plays and > paintings - > but nothing hits home like those stark entries. Often as many as 10 > entries > to 1 adult. It was appalling. So with the success of questions answered > has > come a great sadness. They were just babies, you know. > Gggrandmother, Elizabeth FLETCHER, was buried in Great Bridgewater St. > Methodist Cemetery - not Rusholme as I first thought - on 21 March 1834 > and her > address was given as Holmes Buildings, Hulme. Does anyone know anything > about > these buildings? Where were they in Hulme? The archivists and I > searched > old maps, including Godfrey's of 1849 but couldn't find Holmes Buildings. > Originally the family had lived at 29 Little Bridgewater Street - and we > couldn't > find that either - and after that lived at 2 Bank Place, Salford - ran > out > of time to look. Later, husband Charles moved to 3 Princess Street, his > three > surviving children all off his hands and earning reasonable livings - in > fact, doing very well. > > If anyone has information about these addresses I'd be grateful <snip> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:56:16 EDT From: RuthGenda@aol.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Holmes Buildings, Hulme, 1834 To: morrisind@rogers.com, eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d40.231f283b.35f599f0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hey, Mike, thanks for Bank Place. And do you know, I think Bank Place might still be there. I have a modern A-Z of Manchester - well it's about 15-20 years old - and it's definitely there. Maybe the church (St. Philips) has saved that area from demolition. If only I'd had more time in Manchester last week I would have walked the area. With my camera! Holmes Buildings? Mmm. The entry in the register was very definitely Holmes. But that's not to say that the registrar made an error. I've searched the directories for the whole of that century for Holmes and nothing gets turned up. Now it's hard to believe that its never mentioned anywhere in any directory. I did find a mention of Hulmes Buildings, Chorley Road, S. in the Slaters 1903 directory. I first assumed that S. stood for Salford but it could also stand for Sale (which is where there is a Chorley Rd on the modern map). And, of course, there is Chorlton Road which runs N to S between Stretford and Hume on the modern map. So I just don't know. Maybe I have to go to the dreaded 1841 census to see if I can locate the Buildings there. I can feel another look-up request coming on... But Bank Place - that's really great - thank you very much. Ruth ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:05:58 +1000 From: "Audrey Thomas" <thomas971@bigpond.com> Subject: [ENG-MAN] William TONG To: <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <41F05722F57C4BE68565CC7273794C6B@Coringa> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Is it possible for SKS can look for a christening record for William TONG born c 1809 in Manchester. Father William TONG occupation carder. Mothers name unknown. Thank you Audrey Thomas Queensland Australia. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:18:22 -0700 From: "D. Howland" <howlands@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] William TONG To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <B34CF92D73DC4C10A7FD336D60285B8E@DH2> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original There is an IGI listing on http://www.familysearch.org for a William TONG christened in 1910 in Bolton Le Moors, Lancashire. Father is listed as William TONG. Mother is Ellen. Brother is Edward TONG, christened 1805 also Bolton Le Moors. There are quite a few other William TONGs listed, but none in 1809. Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Thomas" <thomas971@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] William TONG > Is it possible for SKS can look for a christening record for William TONG > born c 1809 in Manchester. Father William TONG occupation carder. Mothers > name unknown. > Thank you > Audrey Thomas Queensland Australia. > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:15:16 +1000 From: "Lis" <tislis@bigpond.net.au> Subject: [ENG-MAN] HUNT Mary A c1853-1930 To: <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <20080908041520.EUD1865.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@GREATERWEST1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is my first listing on this list. I am not as experienced as most of you, and I hope I am understanding the rules. Mary Ann HUNT was my father's maternal grandmother, she died in NSW Australia in 1930, a widow, her husband was John Ellington SMITH. I am in Sydney NSW and together with several cousins we know something of her life before she arrived in NSW as an adult. Her death registration notes her parents were HARTLEY HUNT and MARY DICKENS. Mary Ann HUNT's children were given the following first names: Laura, Nellie, Reuben Hartley, Rebecca, Annie, Rachel, Mary Jane, Thomas Hartley, and perhaps there are clues in those names, for their NSW birth certificates indicate Mary Ann's age when these children were born. Hence, it is most likely that Mary Ann was born in 1853 Q2. Consistently throughout all those birth certificates and her death registration is the fact that she was born in LANCASHIRE, and several documents indicate MANCHESTER. From those birth certificates for Mary Ann's children we also know that Mary Ann migrated firstly to WELINGTON, NEW ZEALAND. And from oral history from one cousin we know about the name of a ship and from another cousin we know that she was on a ship that brought the first steam locomotives to Wellington. So, we have found online newspaper cuttings to support her arrival on THE DOUGLAS at Wellington NZ in Sept 1873, and we have then found NZ archive records to show that migration as a government assistance of 14 pounds (the fare), her name (Mary A Hunt) her age (20), her status (single), her occupation (servant) and her county origins COUNTY LANCASHIRE. We also have her own "treasures" passed to one of her children and now held by a retired C of E rector, who is her great grandson. These include a photo taken at the studios of AUG DOHERTY of 53 STRETFORD ROAD (which we presume is in Manchester, perhaps SALFORD, but remember we are half a world away). The photo is of three ladies, and would appear to be THREE GENERATIONS, with Mary Ann the youngest of these, and handwriting on the back supports this. Also on the back is the following address: Top Row, NORTHWICH CHESHIRE. Online searching has found 1851 and 1861 Census records for several HUNT families, in Salford and in OLDHAM and two entries are of interest, with links to both Manchester and to Northwich. We are seeking advice as to where to proceed to now, and all suggestions will be followed up, as between us cousins we can share the online searching and the like. CHEERS TO YOU ALL FROM THE LAND DOWN UNDER, hope to hear from you soon, and if any of you are descendants on any branch of Mary Ann Hunt's forebears, we have lots to share with you. ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-MANCHESTER list administrator, send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-admin@rootsweb.com. 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This is my first listing on this list. I am not as experienced as most of you, and I hope I am understanding the rules. Mary Ann HUNT was my father's maternal grandmother, she died in NSW Australia in 1930, a widow, her husband was John Ellington SMITH. I am in Sydney NSW and together with several cousins we know something of her life before she arrived in NSW as an adult. Her death registration notes her parents were HARTLEY HUNT and MARY DICKENS. Mary Ann HUNT's children were given the following first names: Laura, Nellie, Reuben Hartley, Rebecca, Annie, Rachel, Mary Jane, Thomas Hartley, and perhaps there are clues in those names, for their NSW birth certificates indicate Mary Ann's age when these children were born. Hence, it is most likely that Mary Ann was born in 1853 Q2. Consistently throughout all those birth certificates and her death registration is the fact that she was born in LANCASHIRE, and several documents indicate MANCHESTER. From those birth certificates for Mary Ann's children we also know that Mary Ann migrated firstly to WELINGTON, NEW ZEALAND. And from oral history from one cousin we know about the name of a ship and from another cousin we know that she was on a ship that brought the first steam locomotives to Wellington. So, we have found online newspaper cuttings to support her arrival on THE DOUGLAS at Wellington NZ in Sept 1873, and we have then found NZ archive records to show that migration as a government assistance of 14 pounds (the fare), her name (Mary A Hunt) her age (20), her status (single), her occupation (servant) and her county origins COUNTY LANCASHIRE. We also have her own "treasures" passed to one of her children and now held by a retired C of E rector, who is her great grandson. These include a photo taken at the studios of AUG DOHERTY of 53 STRETFORD ROAD (which we presume is in Manchester, perhaps SALFORD, but remember we are half a world away). The photo is of three ladies, and would appear to be THREE GENERATIONS, with Mary Ann the youngest of these, and handwriting on the back supports this. Also on the back is the following address: Top Row, NORTHWICH CHESHIRE. Online searching has found 1851 and 1861 Census records for several HUNT families, in Salford and in OLDHAM and two entries are of interest, with links to both Manchester and to Northwich. We are seeking advice as to where to proceed to now, and all suggestions will be followed up, as between us cousins we can share the online searching and the like. CHEERS TO YOU ALL FROM THE LAND DOWN UNDER, hope to hear from you soon, and if any of you are descendants on any branch of Mary Ann Hunt's forebears, we have lots to share with you.

Is it possible for SKS can look for a christening record for William TONG born c 1809 in Manchester. Father William TONG occupation carder. Mothers name unknown. Thank you Audrey Thomas Queensland Australia.

Hello Lis, welcome to our list. Stretford road is in south Manchester, It ran to the west through the suburbs named Chorlton on Medlock and Hulme on into Stretford. This main road changes it name several times, but will eventually bring you into Cheshire and on into Northwich and beyond. Based on the road number its possible the photographer was in the Hulme portion of Stretford road. Number one would be starting at Cambridge street. Northwich, Cheshire has its own Rootsweb list. A number of people including myself are researching the HUNT name in that town. But my line so far are back in the 1700's. I dont have records for them in the 1800's. Kind regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lis" <tislis@bigpond.net.au> To: <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:15 AM > > Mary Ann HUNT was my father's maternal grandmother, she died in NSW > Australia in 1930, a widow, her husband was John Ellington SMITH. I am in > Sydney NSW and together with several cousins we know something of her life > before she arrived in NSW as an adult. Her death registration notes her > parents were HARTLEY HUNT and MARY DICKENS. Mary Ann HUNT's children were > given the following first names: Laura, Nellie, Reuben Hartley, Rebecca, > Annie, Rachel, Mary Jane, Thomas Hartley, and perhaps there are clues in > those names, for their NSW birth certificates indicate Mary Ann's age when > these children were born. Hence, it is most likely that Mary Ann was born > in 1853 Q2. Consistently throughout all those birth certificates and her > death registration is the fact that she was born in LANCASHIRE, and > several > documents indicate MANCHESTER. From those birth certificates for Mary > Ann's > children we also know that Mary Ann migrated firstly to WELINGTON, NEW > ZEALAND. And from oral history from one cousin we know about the name of > a > ship and from another cousin we know that she was on a ship that brought > the > first steam locomotives to Wellington. So, we have found online newspaper > cuttings to support her arrival on THE DOUGLAS at Wellington NZ in Sept > 1873, and we have then found NZ archive records to show that migration as > a > government assistance of 14 pounds (the fare), her name (Mary A Hunt) her > age (20), her status (single), her occupation (servant) and her county > origins COUNTY LANCASHIRE. > > We also have her own "treasures" passed to one of her children and now > held > by a retired C of E rector, who is her great grandson. These include a > photo taken at the studios of AUG DOHERTY of 53 STRETFORD ROAD (which we > presume is in Manchester, perhaps SALFORD, but remember we are half a > world > away). The photo is of three ladies, and would appear to be THREE > GENERATIONS, with Mary Ann the youngest of these, and handwriting on the > back supports this. Also on the back is the following address: Top Row, > NORTHWICH CHESHIRE. Online searching has found 1851 and 1861 Census > records > for several HUNT families, in Salford and in OLDHAM and two entries are of > interest, with links to both Manchester and to Northwich. <snip>

There is an IGI listing on http://www.familysearch.org for a William TONG christened in 1910 in Bolton Le Moors, Lancashire. Father is listed as William TONG. Mother is Ellen. Brother is Edward TONG, christened 1805 also Bolton Le Moors. There are quite a few other William TONGs listed, but none in 1809. Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Thomas" <thomas971@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] William TONG > Is it possible for SKS can look for a christening record for William TONG > born c 1809 in Manchester. Father William TONG occupation carder. Mothers > name unknown. > Thank you > Audrey Thomas Queensland Australia. > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hey, Mike, thanks for Bank Place. And do you know, I think Bank Place might still be there. I have a modern A-Z of Manchester - well it's about 15-20 years old - and it's definitely there. Maybe the church (St. Philips) has saved that area from demolition. If only I'd had more time in Manchester last week I would have walked the area. With my camera! Holmes Buildings? Mmm. The entry in the register was very definitely Holmes. But that's not to say that the registrar made an error. I've searched the directories for the whole of that century for Holmes and nothing gets turned up. Now it's hard to believe that its never mentioned anywhere in any directory. I did find a mention of Hulmes Buildings, Chorley Road, S. in the Slaters 1903 directory. I first assumed that S. stood for Salford but it could also stand for Sale (which is where there is a Chorley Rd on the modern map). And, of course, there is Chorlton Road which runs N to S between Stretford and Hume on the modern map. So I just don't know. Maybe I have to go to the dreaded 1841 census to see if I can locate the Buildings there. I can feel another look-up request coming on... But Bank Place - that's really great - thank you very much. Ruth

Hi Ruth, I have pored over the maps time and time again. I feel that Holmes buildin could have been in the area where they built the railway lines near in Knott Mill station. I did locate Bank Place its the east side of St Philips church in Salford. I have sent you this map section. By the way, no chance the building was named Hulme building ? I also am having a difficult time trying to locate Back Bridgwater street. My maps are dated the same time as your 1844. I have one dated 1801 and 1788, but dont see much other than Great Bridgewater street. Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <RuthGenda@aol.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 1:32 PM >> > And I've also got in my heart and memory the terrible toll of infant > mortality between 1820 and 1835 (the years I was searching). I know, I've > read all > about it - tables of statistics - pages in novels -seen plays and > paintings - > but nothing hits home like those stark entries. Often as many as 10 > entries > to 1 adult. It was appalling. So with the success of questions answered > has > come a great sadness. They were just babies, you know. > Gggrandmother, Elizabeth FLETCHER, was buried in Great Bridgewater St. > Methodist Cemetery - not Rusholme as I first thought - on 21 March 1834 > and her > address was given as Holmes Buildings, Hulme. Does anyone know anything > about > these buildings? Where were they in Hulme? The archivists and I > searched > old maps, including Godfrey's of 1849 but couldn't find Holmes Buildings. > Originally the family had lived at 29 Little Bridgewater Street - and we > couldn't > find that either - and after that lived at 2 Bank Place, Salford - ran > out > of time to look. Later, husband Charles moved to 3 Princess Street, his > three > surviving children all off his hands and earning reasonable livings - in > fact, doing very well. > > If anyone has information about these addresses I'd be grateful <snip>