Hi Mike, Many thanks for the map section. It's a great help, I'm completely out of my comfort zone in Pendleton! I have the 1849 Godfrey Maps for Man.Victoria and Salford (Adelphi) which gives me a small section of Broughton Road starting at Williamson, Salford and Willow Streets (by St.Matthias Church) and runs to the start of Green Gate. Could you give me some idea of the distance between the section of Broughton Road that you sent and where my maps begin. Many thanks, Madalyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com > Hello Madalyn, > Bird street was in the St Thomas Ward in Pendleton. I have sent you the > map > section showing this in 1894. > > > Regards > Mike Morris, Toornto Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "howandmad.t21@btinternet.com" > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 > 6:09 AM >> >> Wondered whether SKS with access to 1851 unfilmed census for Pendleton >> could check on the occupants of 17 Bird Street for me.

Hi Madalyn, I can only do a rough estimate, my maps are not on paper and this is spread across two maps, it makes it difficult to measure them. From Bird street I would guess its about 1/2 mile or less to Williamson and Willow in a south east direction. I cannot locate Bird street in 1844. I dont think it was built in that time period. All my best Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "howandmad.t21@btinternet.com" <howandmad@talk21.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:12 AM > > I have the 1849 Godfrey Maps for Man.Victoria and Salford (Adelphi) which > gives me a small section of Broughton Road starting at Williamson, > Salford and Willow Streets (by St.Matthias Church) and runs to the start > of Green Gate. Could you give me some idea of the distance between the > section of Broughton Road that you sent and where my maps begin. <snip>

Hi, Wondered whether SKS with access to 1851 unfilmed census for Pendleton could check on the occupants of 17 Bird Street for me. In 1861 census this address is in the Parish of Pendleton, E.D. St. Georges. Many thanks, Madalyn

Hello Madalyn, Bird street was in the St Thomas Ward in Pendleton. I have sent you the map section showing this in 1894. St George 's church was to the north about 15 or more minutes walk. Regards Mike Morris Toornto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "howandmad.t21@btinternet.com" <howandmad@talk21.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 6:09 AM > > Wondered whether SKS with access to 1851 unfilmed census for Pendleton > could > check on the occupants of 17 Bird Street for me. > > In 1861 census this address is in the Parish of Pendleton, E.D. St. > Georges.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Manchester Archives and Local Studies" <archiveslocalstudies@manchester.gov.uk> To: <watkin@alphalink.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:33 PM Subject: Re: Axon 'Annals of Manchester' online > Dear Winifred > There is a link to this website at the bottom of our Local Studies Library > page. The URL is http://www.mancuniensis.info/Chronology/ChronologyFP.htm > Please note that this is an independent website and has no connection with > Manchester Libraries or the City Council. > > Rob Lewis > Manchester Information Co-ordinator > Manchester Archives and Local Studies > Central Library > St Peter's Square > Manchester M2 5PD > > tel: 0161 234 1979 (Local Studies) or 0161 234 1980 (Archives) > fax: 0161 234 1927 > e-mail: archiveslocalstudies@manchester.gov.uk > web address: http://www.manchester.gov.uk/libraries/arls > > > > Manchester Libraries > Sent by: David Winter > 02/09/2008 14:23 > > To: archiveslocalstudies@manchester.gov.uk > Subject: Axon 'Annals of Manchester' online > > Dear MALS > Please respond to this enquiry. > Remember to use the customer's preferred method of contact. > If this is email, put the customer's address in the "to" field. > Thank you. > Dave Winter > Library & Information Officer > Manchester Library & Information Service > Central Library > St Peter's Square > Manchester > M2 5PD > tel 0161 234 1991or 0161 234 1990 (switchboard) > fax 0161 237 5974 > libraries@manchester.gov.uk > www.manchester.gov.uk > > To: <libraries@manchester.gov.uk> > From: "Winifred Johns" <watkin@alphalink.com.au> > Date: 09/02/2008 10:03AM > cc: "Winifred Johns" <watkin@alphalink.com.au> > Subject: Axon 'Annals of Manchester' online > Please, what is the website address to read a clear transcript of the > above work online. > Thanking you in anticipation > Winifred Johns > watkin@alphalink.com.au

http://archive.timesonline.co.uk/tol/archive/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Carter <shirley.carter9243@att.net> Date: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:06 pm Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Times Archive free access ending this week To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Please give the address to get on line for the 'Times' > > --- On Mon, 9/15/08, Sally Haden <haden.sally@googlemail.com> > wrote: > From: Sally Haden <haden.sally@googlemail.com> > Subject: [ENG-MAN] Times Archive free access ending this week > To: ENG-MANCHESTER@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 4:11 AM > > Hi folks, > I just received an email from The Times about their free access > to > their archives... it is ending on Thursday this week! > So get busy, if you want to look for free! > After Thursday you can see stuff but you have to pay... > > Day pass: £4.95 > > Monthly membership: £14.95 > > Annual membership: £74.95 > > > Sally > in Yorkshire > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > withoutthe quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG- > MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Please give the address to get on line for the 'Times' --- On Mon, 9/15/08, Sally Haden <haden.sally@googlemail.com> wrote: From: Sally Haden <haden.sally@googlemail.com> Subject: [ENG-MAN] Times Archive free access ending this week To: ENG-MANCHESTER@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 4:11 AM Hi folks, I just received an email from The Times about their free access to their archives... it is ending on Thursday this week! So get busy, if you want to look for free! After Thursday you can see stuff but you have to pay... > Day pass: £4.95 > Monthly membership: £14.95 > Annual membership: £74.95 Sally in Yorkshire ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would some kind person please give me more details on the subject book such as publisher and year of publication / Axon was our family historian and I wish to get a copy of this book. My sincere thanks and appreciation in advance, Colin Harrison in southwest Utah

Hi, Thanks Eileen, I should have guessed someone would ask for the link and should have put it in... here you are. http://archive.timesonline.co.uk/tol/archive/ Sally in Yorkshire

Hi folks, I just received an email from The Times about their free access to their archives... it is ending on Thursday this week! So get busy, if you want to look for free! After Thursday you can see stuff but you have to pay... > Day pass: £4.95 > Monthly membership: £14.95 > Annual membership: £74.95 Sally in Yorkshire

You could try Philips Park which was east of Sophia street. Or St Josephs to the north east of the street.. I have sent you the map section. You can see from this he must have lived on the north side of the street in the middle section of Sophia street. Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorita Paisley" <b.lpaisley@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 3:57 PM > My xxx gt grandfather Joseph WILMAN died in 1874 at 17 Sophia Street, > Collyhurst, Manchester, can anyone tell me which would be the nearest > graveyard to this address please. <snip>

Hi Sally,   thanks for letting us know about this, could you send post the website name ?   Cheers eileen

My xxx gt grandfather Joseph WILMAN died in 1874 at 17 Sophia Street, Collyhurst, Manchester, can anyone tell me which would be the nearest graveyard to this address please. Many thanks Lorita Paisley

Hello Sorry to be a nuisance but why have my digest postings stopped on the 1 September 2008. --- eng-manchester-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Be sure mail to the list is in plain text. > > When replying, please snip extraneous text and be > sure to change the subject line to refect the > content of your message. > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Annals of Manchester (patricia williams) > 2. Annals of Manchester (RuthGenda@aol.com) > 3. Re: Annals of Manchester (patricia williams) > 4. Old Passports (Mary R. Moogk) > 5. Re: Old Passports (patricia williams) > 6. Re: Old Passports (Diana Nowell) > 7. Re: Old Passports (Joan Lyons) > 8. Re: Station Street Hulme - where was it? (Mike > Morris) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:51:21 +0100 > From: "patricia williams" > <pat.williams121@virgin.net> > Subject: [ENG-MAN] Annals of Manchester > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <C52E6E182D7940579AF0B102F2E0C2A7@LocalHost> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-2"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Alison and All, > Sorry I cannot answer Alison's query as I have never > heard of the Manchester > Annals before. Can anyone tell me what and where > they are? > Also, Alison, how did you manage to get your info? > Just hoping for another > learning curve. > Thanks, > Pat W > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:54:47 EDT > From: RuthGenda@aol.com > Subject: [ENG-MAN] Annals of Manchester > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c59.35021711.35ec5107@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi Pat > > _http://www.archive.org/stream/annalsofmanchest00axon_ > > (http://www.archive.org/stream/annalsofmanchest00axon) > > > This is the website. You can read the book on line > because Microsoft has > digitised it. > > Best > Ruth > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:57:42 +0100 > From: "patricia williams" > <pat.williams121@virgin.net> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Annals of Manchester > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <5313884F08EA416EBA6C44DAC0CB0362@LocalHost> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Ruth, you are a gem!! Thankyou, I shall go there > now! I had googled, but > didn't come up with this. > Pat W > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: RuthGenda@aol.com > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 8:54 PM > Subject: [ENG-MAN] Annals of Manchester > > Hi Pat > > _http://www.archive.org/stream/annalsofmanchest00axon_ > (http://www.archive.org/stream/annalsofmanchest00axon) > This is the website. You can read the book on line > because Microsoft has > digitised it. > Best > Ruth > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:21:04 -0400 > From: "Mary R. Moogk" <marymoogk@hotmail.com> > Subject: [ENG-MAN] Old Passports > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <BAY128-W48B9C9789242D20374C424A95D0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Does anyone know if I have an old British passport > number and the persons name, from the 1950's, > whether I could find out details regarding the > person? > Thank you, Mary > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find hidden words, unscramble celebrity names, or > try the ultimate crossword puzzle with Live Search > Games. Play now! > http://g.msn.ca/ca55/212 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 00:47:06 +0100 > From: "patricia williams" > <pat.williams121@virgin.net> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Old Passports > To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <98649FDF673F405088070D0A5360E12D@LocalHost> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Depends on how old that person is and what you want > to know. Any more > details? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mary R. Moogk > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 12:21 AM > Subject: [ENG-MAN] Old Passports > > Does anyone know if I have an old British passport > number and the persons > name, from the 1950's, whether I could find out > details regarding the > person? > Thank you, Mary > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 00:52:53 +0100 > From: "Diana Nowell" <Diana@Nowell.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Old Passports > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > > <978cf21f0808311652v65765ddeoe106ccdb9d875968@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I am not sure but I would think that information > would === message truncated ===

These should keep you occupied and out of trouble. ;-) ONGOING - Through to 31 October 2008 noon to 4 pm - HELMSHORE TEXTILE MUSEUM Lancashire cotton industry exhibition, Monday through Friday, Holcombe Road Helmshore BB4 4NP. http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/education/museums/helmshore/index.asp Through to 27 September 2009 MERSEYSIDE MARITIME MUSEUM Magical History Tour, a journey of discovery through 800 years of Liverpool history. Albert Dock, Liverpool L3 4AQ, Merseyside. http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 11 - 14 September HERITAGE OPEN DAYS 2008. Celebrate England's architecture and culture with free access to interesting properties, including cludes tours, events and activities. County event directory: http://www.heritageopendays.org.uk/directory/county/ 13 September 10 am to 1 pm - OLDHAM LOCAL STUDIES AND ARCHIVES "Do you need help with Family history?" Oldham Local Studies and Archives, 84 Union Street, Oldham OL1 1DN. http://oldham-chronicle.co.uk/events/this-month 19 September - 21 November 7.30 pm to 9.30 pm - LANCASHIRE FHHS, Chorley Branch, "First Steps, a Family History Education Course" for anyone new to family history research. Scout and Guide Headquarters, Charter Lane, Charnock Richard, Chorley. For details contact Pauline on 01257 453087. http://www.lfhhs.org.uk/chorley/branch/index.htm 20 September WHITESIDE GATHERING, plus associated families, Myerscough Agricultural College, Bilsborrow, Preston Lancashire. Contact David Whiteside e-mail davidwhiteside@btopenworld.com or telephone David at 01282 869409 for information. 27 September 11 am to 3 pm - MANCHESTER & LANCASHIRE FHS FAMILY Open Day, 3rd floor, Clayton House, 59 Piccadilly, Manchester, M1 2AQ. Experienced researchers will be available to assist you and show you the vast range of research facilities available at MLFHS. http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/openday.htm 27 September 11 am to 4 pm - NORTH MEOLS (SOUTHPORT) FHS Open Day, Parochial Hall, Churchtown (between St Cuthbert's Church and The Hesketh Arms). Talk to FHS members and staff from Southport Library's Local History department. http://www.nmfhssouthport.co.uk/index.php?f=data_about_the_society&a=0 27 September noon to 5 pm - HELMSHORE MILLS TEXTILE MUSEUM Apprentice Workshop. "Be transported back in time and get a taste of life as a Mill Worker's Apprentice". Holcombe Road, Helmshore, Lancashire BB4 4NP. http://kiosk.visitlancashire.com/museumsearch/searchEvents.asp?mode=display&id=336810 27 September 1.30 pm to 4 pm - LANCASHIRE FHHS Chorley Branch, "Breaking Down the Brick Wall - Hints & Tips for Family Historians", Astley Hall, Chorley. http://www.lancashire-fhhs.org.uk/chorley/ 29 September 2 pm to 4 pm - CHORLEY LIBRARY First Look At Family History - free introductory talk and demonstration of library resources to help you get started in family history. Chorley Library, Union Street, Chorley, PR7 1EB. 01257 277222 chorley.reference@lcl.lancscc.gov.uk. http://www.chorley.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1925 ~~~~~ OCTOBER ~~~~~ 4 October 10 am to 4 pm - TAMESIDE LOCAL HISTORY FORUM Local History and Book Fair and Family History Help, Dukinfield Town Hall, King Street, Dukinfield, Tameside SK16 4LA. http://www.tamesidehistoryforum.org.uk/ 8 October 2 pm - LANCASHIRE FHHS, L&M Branch, "Who do you Lancastrians think you are?" Morecambe Library, Central Drive, Morecambe, Lancashire LA4 5DL. http://www.lancashire-fhhs.org.uk/lancs/events/index.htm 12 October 12 noon to 6 pm - THE RIMMER FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY Annual Rimmer Reunion, Fleetwood Hesketh Sports & Social Club, Fylde Road, Marshside, Southport. Preceeding the Reunion will be an historic walk around Churchtown Village beginng at 10.30am by the gates of Botanic Gardens. For further information contact Chairman Gladys Rimmer Armstrong at chairman@rfhs.co.uk or (01704) 214120 or 079 666 25359 14 October 2 pm - NATIONAL MUSEUMS LIVERPOOL, "Liverpool's Black Community, a Hidden History." Merseyside Maritime Museum, Albert Dock. http://www.artinliverpool.com/blog/blogarch/2006/09/black_history_month_coming_soo.php ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ More events: A listing of Society of Genealogists (SOG) events and lectures can be found at http://www.sog.org.uk/events/calendar.shtml The GENUKI calendar of events can be found at http://geneva.weald.org.uk/

Lorna, there's someone that regularly responds to queries on RootsWeb's British Army board who seems very knowledgable about all things military. If no one on this list can assist you, try posting on the board at <http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.Military.uk.britarmy/mb.ashx> and perhaps someone will be able to help there. Lynne

Lynn...excellent suggestions. Thanks you. Lorna Lynne wrote: > Lorna, there's someone that regularly responds to queries on RootsWeb's > British Army board who seems very knowledgable about all things > military. If no one on this list can assist you, try posting on the > board at > <http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.Military.uk.britarmy/mb.ashx> and > perhaps someone will be able to help there. > > Lynne > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Lorna, many military records are held in the National Archives at Kew. A good place to start is here. _http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/topics/military_1.htm_ (http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/topics/military_1.htm) Ruth

Many thanks to Viv for the information. I will follow your suggestion. Kathleen Wilson Isle of Man Message: 2 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:51:01 +0000 (GMT) From: VIVIEN ENGLAND <viv.england@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Alice Rhoda COLLINS - Prestwich Lunatic Asylum To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <748985.99300.qm@web87104.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi ? I obtained information for Prestwich Lunatic Asylum.? The records are held in Preston, but I am not sure if they cover the dates you wish.? Mine were from 1860.? I paid around ?10 - ?15 and they sent me all the?records.? My ancestor seemed to have had a?mental breakdown, because I also received all the?conversations that his wife had with the Doctor, and the reason why he was sent there.? I also received all the medical records, how they treated him medically, which wasn't good, his mental state, what he was doing while he was there, and eventually how he died. ? I firstly obtained the record numbers from the A2A site and emailed the information over to Preston, they then advised me that they had the records and I posted the cheque.? I received the information within a week.? These records were probably the best I have encountered in all my research. ? So good luck, ? Viv

Hi Listers I'm still scratching... looking for the elusive Holmes Buildings, Hulme. Could be a registrar's error, perhaps? In Pigot & Deans 1821 directory I found Hulmes Buildings, Bailey Street, London Road In Pigot & Slaters 1841 - Hulmes Buildings, Broad Street, Pendleton In Directory of Man. & Salford 1853 - Hulmes Buildings Pendleton None of these strictly Hulme, are they? But then there's Holts Buildings, Ferneley St., Hulme. Does anyone recognize these? Is this address a possibility? I'm assuming the word 'Buildings' means a terrace of houses. Interestingly, in the 1841 Census Charles FLETCHER was living in Chatham Street, C-on-M. And between 1834 and 1841 he had been living in Wilton St, off Oxford Street. Maybe his business address was ??? Buildings? But it was on a death registration so that would be a bit odd, I think. I'm chatting on. So I'll stop. Any thoughts from anyone out there would be much appreciated. Ruth (very puzzled)