How about "Rangpor"? Have you looked at Cyndi's List for sources in the East Indies? _http://www.cyndislist.com/asia.htm_ (http://www.cyndislist.com/asia.htm) mary lou In a message dated 1/25/2011 4:43:54 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I am having difficulty reading the name of a place of birth in the 1861 Census. Charlotte LLEWELLYN was born in the East Indies – all the censuses she lived through say this and sometimes add (British Subject). But in the 1861 a place name is added. The RG number is RG09 Piece 3500 Folio 32 Page 6 The address is 7 Chapel Street, Attercliffe cum Darnall, Sheffield Ancestry transcribe the name as ‘Resolfen’ but I doubt that very much. FindmyPast transcribe it as ‘…’ Very helpful that! I asked them whether someone would try again to transcribe it. They replied with ‘”’. Even more helpful! It looks like ‘Besempor’ to me but my world atlas doesn’t list such a name and Google leads me a merry dance. But no real answer. Charlotte b. 1830, her brother Arthur b. 1834 and her mother Charlotte QUEEN b.1801 were born in the East Indies. Charlotte QUEEN is listed in 1851 as a widow and an annuitant. They had two servants, a cook and a housemaid. I have checked military records but can’t find the name QUEEN connected with the East Indies. Does anyone have experience of researching the East India Co. records? A2A hasn’t revealed anything yet. I don’t have CQ’ s husband’s name which doesn’t help either. I’m putting this request on 3 Rootsweb lists. Ever hopeful and will be grateful for any help offered. Ruth ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am having difficulty reading the name of a place of birth in the 1861 Census. Charlotte LLEWELLYN was born in the East Indies – all the censuses she lived through say this and sometimes add (British Subject). But in the 1861 a place name is added. The RG number is RG09 Piece 3500 Folio 32 Page 6 The address is 7 Chapel Street, Attercliffe cum Darnall, Sheffield Ancestry transcribe the name as ‘Resolfen’ but I doubt that very much. FindmyPast transcribe it as ‘…’ Very helpful that! I asked them whether someone would try again to transcribe it. They replied with ‘”’. Even more helpful! It looks like ‘Besempor’ to me but my world atlas doesn’t list such a name and Google leads me a merry dance. But no real answer. Charlotte b. 1830, her brother Arthur b. 1834 and her mother Charlotte QUEEN b.1801 were born in the East Indies. Charlotte QUEEN is listed in 1851 as a widow and an annuitant. They had two servants, a cook and a housemaid. I have checked military records but can’t find the name QUEEN connected with the East Indies. Does anyone have experience of researching the East India Co. records? A2A hasn’t revealed anything yet. I don’t have CQ’s husband’s name which doesn’t help either. I’m putting this request on 3 Rootsweb lists. Ever hopeful and will be grateful for any help offered. Ruth

Hello Lynne Thanks for all your hard work onj our behalf. Has there been any sign of the records of St Bartholemew in Salford yet? Dorothy

The latest from Lancashire BMD - 24 January 2011 Added 14,784 Marriages for South Sefton RD comprising: Crosby, St Luke (1941-1950); Hightown, St Stephen (1947-1950); Bootle, St Andrew (1941-1950); Bootle, St John & St James (1941-1950); Litherland, St Philip (1941-1950); Lydiate, St Thomas (1941-1950); Maghull, St Andrew (1941-1950); Melling, St Thomas (1941-1950); Netherton, St Oswald (1941-1950); Blundellsands, St Michael (1941-1950); Seaforth, St Thomas (1941-1950); Sefton, St Helen (1941-1950); Waterloo, Christ Church (1941-1950); Waterloo, St John (1941-1950); Waterloo, St Mary (1941-1950); Bootle, St John (1941-1945); Blundellsands, St Nicholas (1941-1950); Bootle, Christ Church (1941-1950); Bootle, St Leonard (1941-1950); Bootle, St Mary (1941-1950); Bootle, St Matthew (1941-1950); Crosby, St Faith (1941-1950); Bootle, Stanley Road Chapel (1946-1950); Bootle, Bethel Baptist Church, Southport Road, formerly Bethel Evangelistic Church (1942-1950); Litherland Methodist Chapel, Wilsons Lane (1941-1950); Seaforth, Presbyterian Church, otherwise St Andrews URC (1950-1950); Crosby, Methodist Church, Moor Lane (1941-1950); Bootle, Methodist Church, Marsh Lane (1941-1941); Bootle, Methodist Chapel, Balliol Road (1941-1950); English Presbyterian Church, Springwell Road (1941-1949); Bootle, Emmanuel Church, Balliol Road (1941-1950); Bootle, Free Church Hall, Stanley Road (1941-1941); Crosby, Blundellsands Methodist Chapel, Mersey Road (1941-1950); Seaforth, Methodist Chapel, Gladstone Road (1941-1941); Waterloo, Wesley Chapel, Bath Street (1941-1950); Seaforth, Congregational Church, (1941-1942); Waterloo, Congregational Church, (1945-1950); Blundellsands URC, Warren Road, formerly Blundellsands Presbyterian (1941-1950); Litherland, Methodist Mission Hall, Linacre Road (1941-1950); Waterloo, United Free Church, Crosby Road North, formerly Baptist Church (1941-1950); Maghull, Methodist Chapel, Liverpool Road (1941-1950); South Sefton Register Office or Registrar Attended (1941-1950); South Sefton Register Office or Registrar Attended (1941-1950) ~ ~ ~ ~ Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

The latest from Lancashire BMD - 18 January 2011 Added 12,142 Births for Hyndburn RD comprising: Newchurch (1837-1857) Added 18,298 Births for Blackpool RD comprising: Blackpool North (1936-1955) Amended 26,983 Births for Wigan and Leigh RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Ashton (1913-1920); Aspull (1902-1917); Culcheth (1896-1905); Hindley (1850-1855); Wigan (1861-1866) Registrar Attended (1901-1902); Prestwich Registrar Attended (1905-1910) 19 January 2011 Amended 2,072 Births for Blackburn RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Blackburn Southern (1885-1886) 20 January 2011 Added 3,496 Deaths for Bury RD comprising: Bury South (1863-1864); Elton (1863-1866); Prestwich (1860-1863); Radcliffe (1859-1869) ~ ~ ~ ~ Yorkshire and Cheshire BMD have also been updated. Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

Jim, Firstly someone else has decipherd Fredge Street as Foedge Street, and found this street name in connection with someone else on googling. My apologies for not coming back to you sooner but wanted to be able to explain myself better. I tend to forget that others do not know the information that I have, so will explain. You mentioned certificates I should have. Do not have the marriage cert of Bernard Blessington and Winefred Conry as this took place in Ireland but some children of theirs are baptised in the Catholic Church in Roscommon. Have the birth and death certificate of Bernard junior, the birth at 3 Foedge St, the death at 4 Foedge Street, Deansgate, Manchester. Have not found the death of Bernard senior. Bernard junior was born August 1847, Bernard senior was the informer. Winny (she is listed on death certificate) the wife and mother died early September, 1847 again Bernard is the informer of her death. She died on Union Street, Oldham but no actual address and Union Street and it is a long street. Bernard junior died in November 1847 and on this certificate it states Bernard Blessington deceased and Terence Blessington was the informer. Have not found this person again or Bernard's senior death. I checked the Oldham burial records today but did not find any of the Blessington family Can anyone suggest anything else I can do to find more on the family please. Best Wishes Patricia From: "lancaster.jim" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [LAN] Catholic Church Oldham > > Hi, Patricia, > > You are asking about Fredge Street, and many people have tried to find it. > > I am a bit confused about what records you have. You mention five events > that should have matching certificates, The marriage of Bernard (I) and > Winifred, the birth of Bernard (II), the death of Winifred, the death of > Bernard (II), and the death of Bernard (I). If Bernard (I) and Winifred > were recent arrivals in England, their marriage might have been in Ireland > as the Famine migration was very strong at this time. You seem to have > some > detailed information about the birth and death of Bernard (II) and of his > mother, suggesting that you have certificates. Bernard (I) is said to > have > died, but you have not found a record of his death. At this time the law > stated that all deaths must be registered, but it placed the onus on the > Registrar to find the deaths. The Catholic Family History Society has > published an index to St Patrick's Burial Registers (Livsey Street) and > there seems to be a significant number of burials that do not appear in > the > GRO Index - suggesting under-registration. > > I think you said you had a certificate for the child bearing the 'Fredge > Street' address. Have you seen the original entry, possibly as a > photocopy?? Or are you quoting from a handwritten certified copy?? > Whichever it is, which Register Office provided it? If you obtained it > from > the GRO it will be a copy of a copy of a ... and it could be worth asking > the Manchester Register Office to check the details against their original > register (send the certificate and ask for its return), explaining that > searches by many people has not found the address and you wonder if there > is > a problem with the certificate you have obtained.. > > The Catholic Church in Oldham at this time was St Mary, but if it had a > burial ground there are no surviving records. Likewise there are no > surviving burial records for St Mary Mulberry Street, Manchester (just off > Deansgate and the nearest Catholic chapel) and there is no record of any > of > these three persons in St Patrick's Burial register. Hope this helps Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "patricia white" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 7:51 PM Subject: [LAN] Catholic Church Oldham >

Morning all, More databases have been added to the OPC website (http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html) some of which will keep me indoors for a few hours of happy hunting! 20 January 2011 Baptisms 1842 to 1850 and Marriages 1831 to 1837 from the Church of St James, Accrington Marriages 1802 to 1805 from the Church of St Michael and All Angels in the Parish of Ashton under Lyne Banns 1824 to 1877 from the Parish of Aughton Baptisms 1900 to 1910 from the Parish of Barton The completion of the Register of Baptisms for 1850 to 1910 Marriages 1843 to 1844 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Blackburn Burials 1783 to 1812 from the Parish of Blackrod Marriages 1805 to 1812 from the Parish of Broughton Baptisms 1809 to 1812, Marriages 1754 to 1762 and 1792 to 1802 and Burials 1789 to 1798 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Bury - (Marriages 1754 to 1762 updated to add some entries missing from the original transcription) Baptisms 1838 to 1874 from the Parish of Chatburn Banns 1776 to 1779 and Marriages 1777 to 1793 from the Parish of Church Kirk Baptisms 1845 to 1873 from the Church of St John the Evangelist in the Parish of Great Marsden Baptisms 1891 to 1895 and 1898 to 1908 from the Church of St Stephen, in the District of Hulme, Manchester Baptisms 1863 to 1906 from the Church of St Peter, in the City of Manchester Marriages 1696 to 1736 and Burials 1695 to 1729 from the Church of St Thomas, Melling near Skelmersdale Baptisms 1873 to 1903 from St Matthew, Highfield, Pemberton Baptisms 1753 to 1767 and Marriages 1809 to 1812 from St John in the Town of Preston The Marriages are a continuation of the Register of Marriages for 1805 to 1812 Banns 1783 to 1792 from the Parish of Ribchester Baptisms 1869 to 1879 and Marriages 1859 to 1880 from the Parish of Standish Regards, Sally

Hello All, This morning's visit to the Lancs OPC website found the following databases have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 19 January 2011 Marriages 1843 to 1900 from the Church of St James. Briercliffe Burials 1852 to 1866 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Burnley Marriages 1844 to 1848 and 1853 to 1862 from the Church of St Bartholomew, Colne Burials 1813 to 1823 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Deane in Bolton Burials 1882 to 1894 from the Parish of Farington The completion of the Register of Burials for 1840 to 1894 Burials 1818 to 1900 from the Church of St James, Whitechapel, in the Parish of Goosnargh Baptisms 1804 and Burials 1799 to 1801 from the Church of St Nicholas, Liverpool Marriages 1817 to 1826 and Burials 1835 to 1848 from the Parish of Penwortham The Burials complete the Register of Burials for 1827 to 1841 and start the Register for 1841 to 1855 Baptisms 1886 to 1896 from the Church of St Thomas, Seaforth, Liverpool Regards, Sally

New to this list doing research for a friend names of interest are ....CLARE Gorton area ,what churches might i look at for bap .1800's .I am in Birmingham so what might be available on the net . Also covering name STONE .Chorlton area Emily CLARE married Albert STONE Married in 1921 .I have found census details for ancestors . Jean

Mary Lou, Yes, I did see this on freebmd. A few years ago worked on these records and completed about 1/4 million records for them. However, yes you are correct it does say Winny ,as she is listed, was registered in Ashton-u-Lyne. At this particular time this was the area listed for a much wider area and covered Oldham to. They are 'next door' to one another. Thank you so much for your help on this as you have taken so much time to assist me with my query. Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Catholic Church Oldham > > > His mother was Winefred Blessington who sadly died about two weeks after > his birth, but in Oldham. She is listed as Winny Blissington in the > records > > > Actually the Free BMD has her death registered in Ashton under Lyne: > > September 1847 > Winny Blissington > Registered at Ashton under Lyne > 1 3_5 > > ml > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This entry is for son Bernard born August 1847 and died November 1847 age 3 months. Do have both birth and death certificates. Many thanks. Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Catholic Church Oldham > > Hi again Patricia.......Bernard's death is listed on FreeBMD: > > December Qtr. 1847 > Bernard Blessington > Registered at Manchester > 20 734 > > ml > > > In a message dated 1/17/2011 12:52:23 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Previously asked about Fredge Street, Deansgate, Manchester, but even > with > a lot of help never found what it was, is there a Fordge Street in > Manchester? > > Anyway this mystery deepens. The child Bernard Blessington was born at 3 > Fredge St in August 1847 and died at 4 Fredge Street in November 1847. > This I understand is Manchester. > > His mother was Winefred Blessington who sadly died about two weeks after > his birth, but in Oldham. She is listed as Winny Blissington in the > records > and husband Bernard Blessington is the informant. However in November > when their son died he is listed as deceased but just cannot find a > record of > him. > > I am looking to find both where Winefred/Winny Blissington/Blessington > and > Bernard/Barney Blessington are buried possibly in Oldham. If I can find > his death maybe can trace death certificate. This couple were Irish and > Catholics. > > Many many thanks > > Patricia > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you for taking the time to look for informaation for me. There are four children listed for baptism to Bernard Blessington and Winifred Conry in Ireland, I feel there are probably more. There are baptisms listed later then 1841 census and have not found anything on 1841 census in England. I feel that this couple came over either 1846/1847 away from the potato famine and a better life. My next step is I will 'try' and search for them in Ireland but want to find more first in England. Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Catholic Church Oldham > > Hi Patricia.....the IGI online has another child born to them in Ireland: > > Winifred Blessington > Baptized March 17, 1834 > Stockestown, Roscommon, Ireland > Father: Bernard Blessington > Mother: Winifred Conry > > Have you checked the 1841 census for this family? > > mary lou > > > In a message dated 1/17/2011 12:52:23 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Previously asked about Fredge Street, Deansgate, Manchester, but even > with > a lot of help never found what it was, is there a Fordge Street in > Manchester? > > Anyway this mystery deepens. The child Bernard Blessington was born at 3 > Fredge St in August 1847 and died at 4 Fredge Street in November 1847. > This I understand is Manchester. > > His mother was Winefred Blessington who sadly died about two weeks after > his birth, but in Oldham. She is listed as Winny Blissington in the > records > and husband Bernard Blessington is the informant. However in November > when their son died he is listed as deceased but just cannot find a > record of > him. > > I am looking to find both where Winefred/Winny Blissington/Blessington > and > Bernard/Barney Blessington are buried possibly in Oldham. If I can find > his death maybe can trace death certificate. This couple were Irish and > Catholics. > > Many many thanks > > Patricia > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That's because until 1849, Oldham was in the Ashton U Lyne Registration District. Good Luck Antony Lambert The Hurst Censuses: www.c5d.co.uk/censuspages.htm -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 18 January 2011 01:51 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Catholic Church Oldham His mother was Winefred Blessington who sadly died about two weeks after his birth, but in Oldham. She is listed as Winny Blissington in the records Actually the Free BMD has her death registered in Ashton under Lyne: September 1847 Winny Blissington Registered at Ashton under Lyne 1 3_5 ml ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

His mother was Winefred Blessington who sadly died about two weeks after his birth, but in Oldham. She is listed as Winny Blissington in the records Actually the Free BMD has her death registered in Ashton under Lyne: September 1847 Winny Blissington Registered at Ashton under Lyne 1 3_5 ml

Hi again Patricia.......Bernard's death is listed on FreeBMD: December Qtr. 1847 Bernard Blessington Registered at Manchester 20 734 ml In a message dated 1/17/2011 12:52:23 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Previously asked about Fredge Street, Deansgate, Manchester, but even with a lot of help never found what it was, is there a Fordge Street in Manchester? Anyway this mystery deepens. The child Bernard Blessington was born at 3 Fredge St in August 1847 and died at 4 Fredge Street in November 1847. This I understand is Manchester. His mother was Winefred Blessington who sadly died about two weeks after his birth, but in Oldham. She is listed as Winny Blissington in the records and husband Bernard Blessington is the informant. However in November when their son died he is listed as deceased but just cannot find a record of him. I am looking to find both where Winefred/Winny Blissington/Blessington and Bernard/Barney Blessington are buried possibly in Oldham. If I can find his death maybe can trace death certificate. This couple were Irish and Catholics. Many many thanks Patricia ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Patricia.....the IGI online has another child born to them in Ireland: Winifred Blessington Baptized March 17, 1834 Stockestown, Roscommon, Ireland Father: Bernard Blessington Mother: Winifred Conry Have you checked the 1841 census for this family? mary lou In a message dated 1/17/2011 12:52:23 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Previously asked about Fredge Street, Deansgate, Manchester, but even with a lot of help never found what it was, is there a Fordge Street in Manchester? Anyway this mystery deepens. The child Bernard Blessington was born at 3 Fredge St in August 1847 and died at 4 Fredge Street in November 1847. This I understand is Manchester. His mother was Winefred Blessington who sadly died about two weeks after his birth, but in Oldham. She is listed as Winny Blissington in the records and husband Bernard Blessington is the informant. However in November when their son died he is listed as deceased but just cannot find a record of him. I am looking to find both where Winefred/Winny Blissington/Blessington and Bernard/Barney Blessington are buried possibly in Oldham. If I can find his death maybe can trace death certificate. This couple were Irish and Catholics. Many many thanks Patricia ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Previously asked about Fredge Street, Deansgate, Manchester, but even with a lot of help never found what it was, is there a Fordge Street in Manchester? Anyway this mystery deepens. The child Bernard Blessington was born at 3 Fredge St in August 1847 and died at 4 Fredge Street in November 1847. This I understand is Manchester. His mother was Winefred Blessington who sadly died about two weeks after his birth, but in Oldham. She is listed as Winny Blissington in the records and husband Bernard Blessington is the informant. However in November when their son died he is listed as deceased but just cannot find a record of him. I am looking to find both where Winefred/Winny Blissington/Blessington and Bernard/Barney Blessington are buried possibly in Oldham. If I can find his death maybe can trace death certificate. This couple were Irish and Catholics. Many many thanks Patricia

Hi Pat, The church St Marys in Deansgate was known as the 'Hidden gem'. It was a Roman Catholic church. It dates back to the 1700's. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mike Morris <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 3:59:21 PM > > Off the west side of Deansgate was St Mary's church (St Mary's Street). I >think > > this was a Catholic church, it was in existence in 1844. It was about two > streets to the north of Bridge street and ran parallel to Bridge street. ><snipped>

Hello Patricia, remember the street name was recorded as being in Deansgate not Oldham. Most times a record of a service was scribbled down on a piece of paper, then a few days later handed to another person to place it in the official records. Some of this handwriting would not have been to clear thus it was written as it looked. In your case there is no doubt it was written as Fredge street. But the general feeling is this should have been Bridge street. Its easy to see with swirls in the hand writing that this could be read wrong. I have a 4xGreat grandmother who had her children baptised in St Ann's church in Deansgate. In one service record she was recorded as PHEBY but her name was actually MARY. It was written as MARY for five of her other children. I have seen a copy of the record and its written as PHEBY. Off the west side of Deansgate was St Mary's church (St Mary's Street). I think this was a Catholic church, it was in existence in 1844. It was about two streets to the north of Bridge street and ran parallel to Bridge street. I have sent you a section of a map showing these places. regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ---- > From: patricia white <[email protected]> > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 2:51:33 PM > > Previously asked about Fredge Street, Deansgate, Manchester, but even with a >lot of help never found what it was, is there a Fordge Street in Manchester? ><snip>

According to Martha McCartney's 2007 'Virginia Immigrants and adventurers, 1607-1635, [a sort of Bible for early VA research], Pharoah (Farrow, Farrar) Flinton came to VA on the Elizabeth in 1612. Peter Coldham Wilson's 'Complete Book of Emigrants' gives his name as Farrar Flinton, aged 36, along with this wife Joane, aged 38. In the 1624/5 muster he says he was 35/36 in 1612 thus giving him a birthdate ca 1577 which is close to Coldham Wilson. Ah. I think these are all based on John Camden Hotten's 'Persons of Quality' published in London 1874 which can be found on the Internet Archive. Hotten got his info from the 1624/5 Muster when Farrar Flinton reported that he and his wife arrived in the Elizabeth in 1612. It looks like the passenger list no longer survives [most of them don't]. Carl Boyer doesn't list a 1612 ship Elizabeth except when he mentions this couple. These books are on GoogleBooks. Liane