In case anyone thinks I was being sarky, I meant it as a joke as I'm a Jonesboth by marriage and by Welsh ancestry. The smily face didn't appear at the end of my message. Dorothy --- On Fri, 28/1/11, D JONES <[email protected]> wrote: From: D JONES <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Stafford family Manchester and Prestwich To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 28 January, 2011, 19:46 What's wrong with Jones??? DJ --- On Fri, 28/1/11, Ruth in Brum <[email protected]> wrote: From: Ruth in Brum <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Stafford family Manchester and Prestwich To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 28 January, 2011, 19:31 Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:10 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Stafford family Manchester and Prestwich To John and other listers: A member of the Guild Of One Name Studies (aka a Goon), is studying the BEER surname. You can find her contact details by clicking on this link: http://www.one-name.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi If you are looking for a name which isn't Smith or Jones, it's often worth spending a few moments on the Guild surname page. Sadly, no-one is looking for Staffords, - I checked;-) Regards, Ruth in Brum (Birmingham, England.) > Hi listers > Trying to find details of my great grandfather's family. > Samuel STAFFORD was born 17 March 1841 at Banktop, Mellor, Derby. He > married > Charlotte Louisa BEER on 2 August 1868 at Manchester Cathedral. > > His children were Charles (my great grandfather, born 1872, Prestwich, > emigrated to New Zealand in 1908), Ellen (born cir 1876, Manchester), Ada > (born cir 1879, Manchester), and Herbert (born cir 1882, Manchester.< > snip     ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message     ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John, 1891 census--possible sighting of Ellen age 15y a servant at 25 Fleet Street,Royton, (near Oldham) Head of household Ellen Lees, and 1901 age 25y a servant at " Newholme" Albert Road,Withington,Manchester, Head of household Herman Janus,shipping merchant. 1891 Samuel,Louisa, Charles,and Herbert are at 13 Lathbury Road ,Harpurhey,Manchester(this road still exists) with them is niece Annie Burgess age 9y b Cheadle, Cheshire, Ada is in Saddleworth on the Yorks/Lancs border with Uncle and Aunt James and Emma Burgess (and large family), James is station master of Grotton Railway Station, looks like Ada married Percy Ed Denyer, Christ Church, Harpurhey, 1902, and Herbert married Matilda Williams,Albert Memorial,Miles Platting,Manchester,1906. HTH,Anne On 28 January 2011 15:10, John Stafford <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi listers > > > > Trying to find details of my great grandfather's family. > > > > Samuel STAFFORD was born 17 March 1841 at Banktop, Mellor, Derby. He > married > Charlotte Louisa BEER on 2 August 1868 at Manchester Cathedral. > > His children were Charles (my great grandfather, born 1872, Prestwich, > emigrated to New Zealand in 1908), Ellen (born cir 1876, Manchester), Ada > (born cir 1879, Manchester), and Herbert (born cir 1882, Mnaachester. > > > > Any links or clues as to how I could find out more about them? Marriages of > his daughters? Deaths of any of them? > > > > Cheers > > > > John Stafford > > Brisbane, Australia > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Stafford family Manchester and Prestwich >What's wrong with Jones???< Absolutely nothing, unless you are trying to find absolutely every occurence of the name in the world, at any time, as far back as you can go;-) OK now? Ruth. --- On Fri, 28/1/11, Ruth in Brum <[email protected]> wrote: From: Ruth in Brum <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Stafford family Manchester and Prestwich To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 28 January, 2011, 19:31 Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:10 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Stafford family Manchester and Prestwich To John and other listers: A member of the Guild Of One Name Studies (aka a Goon), is studying the BEER surname. You can find her contact details by clicking on this link: http://www.one-name.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi If you are looking for a name which isn't Smith or Jones, it's often worth spending a few moments on the Guild surname page. Sadly, no-one is looking for Staffords, - I checked;-)

What's wrong with Jones??? DJ --- On Fri, 28/1/11, Ruth in Brum <[email protected]> wrote: From: Ruth in Brum <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Stafford family Manchester and Prestwich To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 28 January, 2011, 19:31 Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:10 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Stafford family Manchester and Prestwich To John and other listers: A member of the Guild Of One Name Studies (aka a Goon), is studying the BEER surname. You can find her contact details by clicking on this link: http://www.one-name.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi If you are looking for a name which isn't Smith or Jones, it's often worth spending a few moments on the Guild surname page. Sadly, no-one is looking for Staffords, - I checked;-) Regards, Ruth in Brum (Birmingham, England.) > Hi listers > Trying to find details of my great grandfather's family. > Samuel STAFFORD was born 17 March 1841 at Banktop, Mellor, Derby. He > married > Charlotte Louisa BEER on 2 August 1868 at Manchester Cathedral. > > His children were Charles (my great grandfather, born 1872, Prestwich, > emigrated to New Zealand in 1908), Ellen (born cir 1876, Manchester), Ada > (born cir 1879, Manchester), and Herbert (born cir 1882, Manchester.< > snip     ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:10 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Stafford family Manchester and Prestwich To John and other listers: A member of the Guild Of One Name Studies (aka a Goon), is studying the BEER surname. You can find her contact details by clicking on this link: http://www.one-name.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi If you are looking for a name which isn't Smith or Jones, it's often worth spending a few moments on the Guild surname page. Sadly, no-one is looking for Staffords, - I checked;-) Regards, Ruth in Brum (Birmingham, England.) > Hi listers > Trying to find details of my great grandfather's family. > Samuel STAFFORD was born 17 March 1841 at Banktop, Mellor, Derby. He > married > Charlotte Louisa BEER on 2 August 1868 at Manchester Cathedral. > > His children were Charles (my great grandfather, born 1872, Prestwich, > emigrated to New Zealand in 1908), Ellen (born cir 1876, Manchester), Ada > (born cir 1879, Manchester), and Herbert (born cir 1882, Manchester.< > snip

Can any one on the List tell me if the Electoral Rolls for England are available on Ancestry. I think I have discovered a long lost relative and the details could help me confirm it.Any help most appreciated. Jim Cleary, NZ

A very big thank you to everyone who has replied both on and off list with suggestions for research for the Charlottes QUEEN and LLEWELLYN. There is much to do now and it will be a weekend task of mine. I hope to contact you all individually – hopefully with a positive result. I neglected to mention in my initial query that the LLEWELLENs lived in Rochdale which is why my seemingly off-topic question was sent to the ENG-MAN list. Ruth

Hi Ruth Have you tried the H E I C (Honourable East India Company) website? Just google it. I found a distant relative there amongst the births, deaths and marriages... Regards Elizabeth from Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tabbitha Blackwood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] A plea to paleographers and researchers of the EastIndies. Hi Ruth if you can send me your email adress I may have some info on her husbands details.I have found a possible marriage to a Thomas Llewellyn and would like to invite you to the tree I have set up On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:42 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am having difficulty reading the name of a place of birth in the 1861 > Census. Charlotte LLEWELLYN was born in the East Indies – all the censuses > she lived through say this and sometimes add (British Subject). But in the > 1861 a place name is added. > The RG number is RG09 Piece 3500 Folio 32 Page 6 > The address is 7 Chapel Street, Attercliffe cum Darnall, Sheffield > Ancestry transcribe the name as ‘Resolfen’ but I doubt that very much. > FindmyPast transcribe it as ‘…’ Very helpful that! I asked them whether > someone would try again to transcribe it. They replied with ‘”’. Even more > helpful! > It looks like ‘Besempor’ to me but my world atlas doesn’t list such a > name and Google leads me a merry dance. But no real answer. > Charlotte b. 1830, her brother Arthur b. 1834 and her mother Charlotte > QUEEN b.1801 were born in the East Indies. Charlotte QUEEN is listed in > 1851 > as a widow and an annuitant. They had two servants, a cook and a > housemaid. I have checked military records but can’t find the name QUEEN > connected > with the East Indies. Does anyone have experience of researching the East > India Co. records? A2A hasn’t revealed anything yet. I don’t have CQ’s > husband’s name which doesn’t help either. > I’m putting this request on 3 Rootsweb lists. Ever hopeful and will be > grateful for any help offered. > Ruth > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I recently found my relative who was born in Pendleton and immigrated to Fall River, MA in the early 1870's and then in 1877 immigrated with his family to Sydney. I really never thought that I would find him. First I found a likely candidate on the passenger lists on Ancestry. I joined a couple of Australia Mailing lists and posted the family story of his immigration and death. He was killed by lightening and a couple of people on the lists pointed me to an inquest about a man with his name killed by lightening. That narrowed down the area and I sent for this man's death record. TheAustralian death record listed the wife's name and place of marriage (which was key to proving he was mine) and his surviving children and their ages. It also gave his parent's names and mother's maiden name. I have since been able to trace the family through Ancestry's Australian Electoral rolls. I suggest looking through the Australian records at Family Search and Ancestry. If you can locate a likely death record for your great aunt or her son, I think it is well worth getting. I would also join some Australian mailing lists. Good Luck! Ann >> > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:24:02 -0000 > From: "RICHARD WALLWOLK" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ENG-MAN] Research Help Wanted > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi All, > I have just found that a Great Aunt of mine and her son emigrated to > Australia in 1913. Can anyone help me with idea`s of how I can research > them over there ? > Many Thanks > Rick. >

Morning all, Today's visit to the OPC website found the following databases have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 26 January 2011 Confirmations 1851 to 1900 from the Church of St James. Briercliffe Confirmations 1899 to 1901 from the Church of the Holy Trinity in the Parish of Habergham Eaves Baptisms 1841 to 1860 from Holy Trinity Church, Horwich Burials 1888 to 1916 from the Parish of Hurst Marriages 1828 to 1831, 1837 to 1837 and 1840 to 1843 from the Church of St Mary, Oldham Marriages 1885 to 1900 from the Church of St Paul, Oswaldtwistle Baptisms 1870 to 1893 from St Peter in the Town of Preston Burials 1822 to 1839 from Christ Church in the Town of Southport Regards, Sally

D JONES wrote: >Hello Lynne > >Thanks for all your hard work onj our behalf. > > You're very welcome, Dorothy. :-) >Has there been any sign of the records of St Bartholemew in Salford yet? > > > I'm sorry but I haven't a clue. You might try contacting LancsBMD to ask. There's a contact form at <http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/index.php?form_action=contact&county=lancashire> Kind regards, Lynne

Sorry I think I meant my reply for Rick. :) Lyn In Oz.

Hi Andy This page might help http://www.jaunay.com/ Look under free help And also the National Archives http://www.naa.gov.au/ There are quite a few hits on a name search of all records including one for Arthur Savery born Manchester enlisting in WW1 aged 20 years 5 mths - you can view his enlistment papers online. There are others in other states so perhaps the family or part of it moved interstate. Some states have online BMD indexes and most of our certificates have a great deal of information - more than the UK - a listing of sites and whether they have online indexes is here http://www.coraweb.com.au/bdmaut.htm Hope he is yours. Regards Lyn In Oz.

Ruth, My gGPs were in Hazarabad, India. gGF was RRArtillery. Took several weeks to get to the modern version of the placename. For place names, try http://dsal.uchicago.edu/reference/gazetteer/ Why was this family in India? East India Company? Military? Civil Servants? Also, you can send the image of the placename to me offline at above email if you wish. MEJ in Calif.

Hi Andy, Thank you for your reply. The information I have is: ADA SOPHIA SAVERY nee Wallwork Born: 4th August 1870 Manchester Son: ARTHUR SAVERY Born: 12th March 1895 Manchester Sailed on 11th April 1913 from London to Adelaide. Best Wishes Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Lister" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Research Help Wanted Rick, If you can send more information, either on or off list, then there are a large number of census and birth/marriage/death records available here. Andy On 26 January 2011 13:24, RICHARD WALLWOLK <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi All, > I have just found that a Great Aunt of mine and her son emigrated to > Australia in 1913. Can anyone help me with idea`s of how I can research > them over there ? > Many Thanks > Rick. > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 1435/3404 - Release Date: 01/26/11

I found a detailed 1814 map of the East Indies that may help you match up with the name in the census, Shirley USA http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~663~50102:The-Islands-of-the-East-Indies-with ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:42 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] A plea to paleographers and researchers of the EastIndies. > > I am having difficulty reading the name of a place of birth in the 1861 > Census. Charlotte LLEWELLYN was born in the East Indies – all the > censuses > she lived through say this and sometimes add (British Subject). But in > the > 1861 a place name is added. > The RG number is RG09 Piece 3500 Folio 32 Page 6 > The address is 7 Chapel Street, Attercliffe cum Darnall, Sheffield > Ancestry transcribe the name as ‘Resolfen’ but I doubt that very much. > FindmyPast transcribe it as ‘…’ Very helpful that! I asked them whether > someone would try again to transcribe it. They replied with ‘”’. Even > more > helpful! > It looks like ‘Besempor’ to me but my world atlas doesn’t list such a > name and Google leads me a merry dance. But no real answer. > Charlotte b. 1830, her brother Arthur b. 1834 and her mother Charlotte > QUEEN b.1801 were born in the East Indies. Charlotte QUEEN is listed in > 1851 > as a widow and an annuitant. They had two servants, a cook and a > housemaid. I have checked military records but can’t find the name QUEEN > connected > with the East Indies. Does anyone have experience of researching the East > India Co. records? A2A hasn’t revealed anything yet. I don’t have CQ’s > husband’s name which doesn’t help either. > I’m putting this request on 3 Rootsweb lists. Ever hopeful and will be > grateful for any help offered. > Ruth > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rick, If you can send more information, either on or off list, then there are a large number of census and birth/marriage/death records available here. Andy On 26 January 2011 13:24, RICHARD WALLWOLK <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi All, >  I have just found that a Great Aunt of mine and her son emigrated to Australia in 1913. Can anyone help me with idea`s of how I can research them over there ? >  Many Thanks >   Rick. > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All, I have just found that a Great Aunt of mine and her son emigrated to Australia in 1913. Can anyone help me with idea`s of how I can research them over there ? Many Thanks Rick.

Hi Ruth if you can send me your email adress I may have some info on her husbands details.I have found a possible marriage to a Thomas Llewellyn and would like to invite you to the tree I have set up On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:42 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am having difficulty reading  the name of a place of birth in the 1861 > Census.  Charlotte LLEWELLYN was born in the  East Indies – all the censuses > she lived  through say this and sometimes add (British Subject).  But in the > 1861 a place name is  added. > The RG number is RG09  Piece 3500  Folio 32  Page 6 > The address is 7 Chapel Street,  Attercliffe cum Darnall, Sheffield > Ancestry transcribe the name  as ‘Resolfen’ but I doubt that very much. > FindmyPast transcribe it as ‘…’  Very helpful that!  I asked  them whether > someone would try again to transcribe it.  They replied with ‘”’.  Even more >  helpful! > It looks like ‘Besempor’ to me  but my world atlas doesn’t list such a > name and Google leads me a merry  dance.  But no real  answer. > Charlotte b. 1830, her brother Arthur b. 1834 and her mother  Charlotte > QUEEN b.1801 were born in the East  Indies.  Charlotte QUEEN  is listed in 1851 > as a widow and an annuitant.  They had two servants, a cook and a > housemaid.  I have checked military  records but can’t find the name QUEEN connected > with the East Indies.  Does anyone have experience of researching the East > India Co.  records?  A2A hasn’t revealed  anything yet.  I don’t have CQ’s > husband’s name which doesn’t help either. > I’m putting this request on 3  Rootsweb lists.  Ever hopeful and  will be > grateful for any help offered. > Ruth > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you looked at Fibis.org http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/simplesearchsummarycat.php?mode=q Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:42 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] A plea to paleographers and researchers of the EastIndies. > > I am having difficulty reading the name of a place of birth in the 1861 > Census. Charlotte LLEWELLYN was born in the East Indies – all the > censuses > she lived through say this and sometimes add (British Subject). But in > the > 1861 a place name is added. > The RG number is RG09 Piece 3500 Folio 32 Page 6 > The address is 7 Chapel Street, Attercliffe cum Darnall, Sheffield > Ancestry transcribe the name as ‘Resolfen’ but I doubt that very much. > FindmyPast transcribe it as ‘…’ Very helpful that! I asked them whether > someone would try again to transcribe it. They replied with ‘”’. Even > more > helpful! > It looks like ‘Besempor’ to me but my world atlas doesn’t list such a > name and Google leads me a merry dance. But no real answer. > Charlotte b. 1830, her brother Arthur b. 1834 and her mother Charlotte > QUEEN b.1801 were born in the East Indies. Charlotte QUEEN is listed in > 1851 > as a widow and an annuitant. They had two servants, a cook and a > housemaid. I have checked military records but can’t find the name QUEEN > connected > with the East Indies. Does anyone have experience of researching the East > India Co. records? A2A hasn’t revealed anything yet. I don’t have CQ’s > husband’s name which doesn’t help either. > I’m putting this request on 3 Rootsweb lists. Ever hopeful and will be > grateful for any help offered. > Ruth > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message