I've just had a film from the Mormons of Baptisms in Manchester Cathedral (think it was called the Collegiate church at that time) in the 1820's. It was a copy of the original Parish register The info was limited to the following:- Date Name of child First names of parents Parents' surname Father's Occupation Parent's address (which was just "Manchester" or "Salford" so not helpful at all) Hope this helps Jenni ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Benson" <[email protected]> To: "Manchester Mailing List" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 11:45 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Manchester Cathedral - Baptisms > Hi All, > > I am looking for information on baptisms in Manchester Cathedral between > 1823 and 1831. These records do not appear to be on the Lancashire OPC at > present. I have found some records of interest on Family Search and would > like to know if there is any more info on the original and also, if this > is > the family I am seeking, if the baptisms that are missing in Family Search > are present in the original. > > Where can I see the originals (or as near to that as possible). > > Any info appreciated. > > Christine > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there, Could it possibly be Hannah Hallows 25 Aug 1841 Manchester Cathedral? I know it's late but .... ??? Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris & George Jamieson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 7:32 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER > Hello, I'm new to the Manchester list after discovering ancestors from > Salford who arrived in Australia in January 1842. > > The family shown on the Immigration Record are: > > George WALKER a Bricklayer 33 > Hannah WALKER a Housekeeper 34 > William 7 > Thomas 5 > Joseph 3 > > I have established from George's Immigration Record that George WALKER was > the son of James & Elizabeth WALKER, James also being a bricklayer. I > have > George's baptism at Cathedral, Manchester on 16 Jan 1808. > > George's wife Hannah appears in various records as HALLIS, HOLLIS, ALLAS. > Her parents are Edward (occupation: Dyer) & Anne ALLAS (as name appears > on > Hannah's Immigration Record). Hannah's maiden name on her daughter's > marriage record (1859) is spelt HOLLIS. > > Although I have found the apparent baptisms of George & Hannah's 3 > children > at Cathedral, Manchester (IGI) - William on 5 Oct 1834; and Thomas & > Joseph > on 8 Nov 1840 - I have yet to find a marriage record for George & Hannah. > > In the 1841 census the family are enumerated at Challinor(?) Street, > Salford. (HO107/585/20 Folio 18) > > If anyone can help find George & Hannah's marriage it would be much > appreciated. > > Lastly, can someone from Lancashire please tell me how the name HOLLIS > would > be pronounced locally in Lancashire? > > Many thanks > Chris, Sydney > > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

It may be worth applying for Joseph's birth certificate. There aren't too many candidates and you should specify at least father's name and possibly occupation as conditions for issue of certificate. This is often easier using the local registrar's office as they don't tend to charge unless a certificate is issued. It would settle whether the Hannah in Australia is the same Hannah that was mentioned in the children's baptisms. If so, you could perhaps discount the late marriage...   And I would pronounce Hollis like Holly with a soft 'ss' at the end.   Best wishes, Irene

Hi Ruth, I see no-one has had a go at this one. I spent a little while Googling and time after time on modern church websites it states that there is no requirement for people to be baptised in order to be married. But that does not mean it didn't used to be! The Dioscesan Handbook states that baptism is not an essential requirement for the solemnisation of marriage in church but that too was a modern set of guidelines. I wonder if there are any church historians out there who could help you? Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 11:09 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Cof E marriage conditions 1853 > > Please, does anyone know? > Ggrandmother Ann LLEWELLEN was married in St. Chad’s (CofE) in Rochdale > in > 1853. At that date did one have to be baptised into the church before one > could marry there? > Ruth > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

Hi Christine , I have sent you a section of two maps showing the location of the streets with the church. Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ---- > From: Christine Benson <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 7:34:58 AM > Blackley New Road, St. Michael's C of E church and Ashley Lane seem too far > north > > Sorry for being dim but if you could point out the modern location, or ,even > better, a map with them still on, I would be grateful. <snipped>

Thank you Marian. Yes, I can't find anything either. I'll put the question on one side for a while. Sometimes answers come flying in from a completely unexpected direction in this game - so no worries. Ruth

Hi Christine, Are those dates of birth taken from census returns? If so they could be out by a few years easily, this often happens and so the baptisms could be right. Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Benson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Manchester Cathedral - Baptisms > Hi Irene and All, > > Thank you for your reply. I had noticed the baptism of William and there > is > a William in the next generation which could be coincidence or not. I had > not noticed the marriage of Joseph HILL and Elizabeth DARLINGTON. Well > spotted, that seem probable. > > The trouble is I have William and Nancy Deborah who I did not expect but > are > quite possible, then Thomas who matches, then I am missing Ann in 1826, > but > have a baptism in 1826 for Mary Ann who was born c 1828, Joseph who was > baptised in 1827 and I have him born in 1829 and I am missing Elizabeth b > c > 1930. If Ann is Nancy Deborah then she was baptised 4 years before she was > born! Although it seems as if it should fit the anomalies make me wonder. > > It is interesting that a witness to the marriage of Joseph HILL and > Elizabeth DARLINGTON was Thomas MORTEN and Elizabeth later married a > MOR(E)TON. Having said that I cannot find a later marriage of Elizabeth > that > fits with that. > > Many thanks again for the marriage. > > Christine > > -----Original Message----- > From: Irene Marlborough > Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 6:14 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Manchester Cathedral - Baptisms > > Hello Christine: > > I expect that you did notice a baptism for a potential sibling of Joseph > and > Thomas Hill. This would be William baptised in 1820. It would not be > unreasonable to suppose that the marriage of Joseph Hill and Elizabeth > Darlington at Prestwich in 1819 could be a contender. Details for this > marriage can be found on the Beta site at www.familysearch.org > > Best wishes, Irene > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

Hi All, I have a HILL family in 1841 on Blackley Street, Manchester. Joseph HILL b 1829, Lancashire (Manchester) HO 107 / 575 / 15 Page 1. I am trying to place the location on a modern map without any success. Can SKS point me in the right direction? Christine

Hi Irene and All, Thank you for your reply. I had noticed the baptism of William and there is a William in the next generation which could be coincidence or not. I had not noticed the marriage of Joseph HILL and Elizabeth DARLINGTON. Well spotted, that seem probable. The trouble is I have William and Nancy Deborah who I did not expect but are quite possible, then Thomas who matches, then I am missing Ann in 1826, but have a baptism in 1826 for Mary Ann who was born c 1828, Joseph who was baptised in 1827 and I have him born in 1829 and I am missing Elizabeth b c 1930. If Ann is Nancy Deborah then she was baptised 4 years before she was born! Although it seems as if it should fit the anomalies make me wonder. It is interesting that a witness to the marriage of Joseph HILL and Elizabeth DARLINGTON was Thomas MORTEN and Elizabeth later married a MOR(E)TON. Having said that I cannot find a later marriage of Elizabeth that fits with that. Many thanks again for the marriage. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Irene Marlborough Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 6:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Manchester Cathedral - Baptisms Hello Christine: I expect that you did notice a baptism for a potential sibling of Joseph and Thomas Hill. This would be William baptised in 1820. It would not be unreasonable to suppose that the marriage of Joseph Hill and Elizabeth Darlington at Prestwich in 1819 could be a contender. Details for this marriage can be found on the Beta site at www.familysearch.org Best wishes, Irene

Both Ashley Lane and New Blackley Street are on the West side of St Michaels church. West of Ancoats and east of Strangeways . Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ---- > From: Zaffox Pty Ltd <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 10:51:44 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Location of Blackley Street, Manchester > > It is in District 28 St George and is is New Blackley Street t"

What other details does it give in the 1841 census. Besides Manchester. Does it mention Crumpsall? or Blackley? Or a church district? Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ---- > From: Christine Benson <[email protected]> > To: Manchester Mailing List <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 7:53:12 PM > > I have a HILL family in 1841 on Blackley Street, Manchester. > > Joseph HILL b 1829, Lancashire (Manchester) HO 107 / 575 / 15 Page 1. > > I am trying to place the location on a modern map without any success. Can > SKS point me in the right direction?

Hi All, I am looking for information on baptisms in Manchester Cathedral between 1823 and 1831. These records do not appear to be on the Lancashire OPC at present. I have found some records of interest on Family Search and would like to know if there is any more info on the original and also, if this is the family I am seeking, if the baptisms that are missing in Family Search are present in the original. Where can I see the originals (or as near to that as possible). Any info appreciated. Christine

Hi Tony and All, Thank you for your reply. Not that I know of. I have in 1841 Joseph HILL, b c 1829, my ancestor, who names Joseph as his father on the marriage certificate, three presumed sisters, Ann, Mary Ann and Elizabeth and presumed mother Elizabeth MORTON. In 1861 Elizabeth MORETON, mother, is living with Joseph and in 1851 Elizabeth MORTON, mother, is living with Thomas HILL. All happened in Manchester and immediate environs except Elizabeth MOR(E)TON was born in Leeds. I cannot find either of Elizabeth's HILL or MOR(E)TON marriages or trace the other children. So the pieces fit together but I would like to find some proof. Sorry I cannot help with your Holmes Chapel/Astbury HILL's (unless you have links to mine in Manchester). Christine -----Original Message----- From: Tony Smith Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 6:58 AM To: Christine Benson ; Manchester Mailing List ; CHESHIRE mailing list Subject: Re: [CHS] Thomas HILL Hi Christine Does your HILL family have its origins in Holmes Chapel and/or Astbury in Cheshire? Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Benson" <[email protected]> To: "Manchester Mailing List" <[email protected]>; "CHESHIRE mailing list" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 1:33 AM Subject: [CHS] Thomas HILL > Hi All, > > Looking for descendants of Thomas HILL, son of Elizabeth, born c 1824 in > Manchester. I believe Joseph, who I am descended from was his brother. > Want > to compare notes. > > Christine > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Christine:   I'm afraid that the Collegiate Church baptisms are not very informative for this time period. You may find that there's little (if any) further information gained by looking at a microfilm of the entry. Of course, it's always desirable to check these things. If Manchester is not a convenient location for you - and there are issues at present with the Central Library closures - then you can always request a film from the LDS church to view at one of their libraries close to you.   I expect that you did notice a baptism for a potential sibling of Joseph and Thomas Hill. This would be William baptised in 1820. It would not be unreasonable to suppose that the marriage of Joseph Hill and Elizabeth Darlington at Prestwich in 1819 could be a contender. Details for this marriage can be found on the Beta site at www.familysearch.org   Best wishes, Irene

Please, does anyone know? Ggrandmother Ann LLEWELLEN was married in St. Chad’s (CofE) in Rochdale in 1853. At that date did one have to be baptised into the church before one could marry there? Ruth

Hi All, Looking for descendants of Thomas HILL, son of Elizabeth, born c 1824 in Manchester. I believe Joseph, who I am descended from was his brother. Want to compare notes. Christine

Hi Listers I now have the information I needed from the St Joseph's Roman Catholic Cemetery, Moston in the Diocese of Salford, and thought I would share with the list the contact details in case anyone else needs it: The records are not indexed. They are in date of death order. Therefore, if you provide an exact date of death the records will be looked up for you free of charge. However, if you require a search the cost is £30 + £15 for each additional year. St Joseph's Roman Catholic Cemetery Moston Lane Moston Manchester M40 9QL England The reply I received was via email: [email protected] Hope this helps someone. Cheers Wendy, Australia

Hi Pam You're very welcome. Notes of thanks and praise can be sent to the Lancashire BMD folks using the form at <http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/index.php?form_action=contact&county=lancashire>. I'm sure they would love to hear from you! Kind regards, Lynne Pam Hurley wrote: >Lynne, many thanks for the update, and huge thanks to all those who've >contributed so much time and effort to help people like me. > >

The latest from Lancashire BMD - 12 April 2011 Added 1,781 Births for North Sefton RD comprising: Formby (1842-1846); North Meols (1842-1846) Added 10,102 Births for South Sefton RD comprising: Bootle (1901-1903); Great Crosby (1901-1903); Litherland (1901-1903) ~ ~ ~ ~ Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

Hi Listers, Here's the last set of records - hope something in them has been of use to someone - from Ancestry.com.... Name: John Imrie Residence : Queen Street, Lancaster Spouse's Name: Margaret Rout Raven Spouse's Residence: HolyTrinity, Upper Chelsea, Middlesex Licence Date: 17 Jun 1862 Name: Samuel Jeavons Residence : Saint Luke, Chelsea, Middlesex Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Foster Spouse's Residence: Dalton On Furness, Lancaster Licence Date: 2 Jun 1880 Name: William Kenworthy Residence : Blackburn, Lancaster Spouse's Name: Martha Kenyon Spouse's Residence: Saint Luke, Chelsea, Middlesex Licence Date: 9 Sep 1851 Name: David Leonard Residence : Liverpool, Lancaster Spouse's Name: Martha Leonard Spouse's Residence: Saint Peter, Pimlico, Middlesex Licence Date: 3 Mar 1879 Name: George Lidwill Residence : Saint Peter, Pimlico, Middlesex Spouse's Name: Mary Newell Spouse's Residence: All Hallows, Allerton Childwall, Lancaster Licence Date: 10 Nov 1882 Name: Robert Longdon Residence : Manchester, Lancaster Spouse's Name: Emily Wylde Spouse's Residence: Edgeware, Middlesex Licence Date: 22 Aug 1859 Name: Percy Marsh Residence : Bolton, Lancaster Spouse's Name: Alice Sarah Jacob-Barrett Spouse's Residence: Saint Paul, Deptford, Kent Licence Date: 7 Sep 1888 Name: Charlotte Maxwell Residence : Saint Dunstan in The West Spouse's Name: William Freke Williams Spouse's Residence: Manchester, Lancaster Licence Date: 22 Sep 1792 Name: Georgina Emily Miller Residence : Saint George, Preston, Lancaster Spouse's Name: Cuthbert Knightley Orlebar Spouse's Residence: Christ Church, Paddington, Middlesex Licence Date: 5 Jul 1873 Name: Frederick Arthur Nosworthy Residence : Chorlton On Medlock, Manchester, Lancaster Spouse's Name: Louisa Eliza Spry Thompson Spouse's Residence: Saint Luke, Chelsea, Middlesex Licence Date: 15 Aug 1851 Name: Emily Hayle Parker Residence : Saint Luke, Chelsea, Middlesex Spouse's Name: George Slee Spouse's Residence: Liverpool, Lancaster Licence Date: 29 Jan 1851 Name: Francis Sergent Pilkington Residence : Leyland, Lancaster Spouse's Name: Mary Barnwell Spouse's Residence: Saint Martin in The Fields, Middlesex Licence Date: 16 Nov 1855 Name: Thomas Prescott Residence : Ardwick, Lancaster Spouse's Name: Isabella Frankland Spouse's Residence: Saint Leonard, Shoreditch, Middlesex Licence Date: 28 Dec 1864 Name: Ann Quittenton Residence : Saint Mary, Lancaster Spouse's Name: Thomas Wise Spouse's Residence: Saint Leonard, Shoreditch, Middlesex Licence Date: 24 Jan 1860 Name: Anna Isabella Richardson Residence : Stoneycroft Liverpool, Lancaster Spouse's Name: Benjamin John Cowell Helden Spouse's Residence: Saint Peter, Eaton Square, Middlesex Licence Date: 16 Jun 1881 Name: Andrew Sharman Residence : Walton On The Hill, Liverpool, Lancaster Spouse's Name: Sarah Wallis Smeathers Spouse's Residence: Saint Luke, Chelsea, Middlesex Licence Date: 7 Mar 1864 Name: Thomas Simpson Residence : Bolton, Lancaster Spouse's Name: Rachel Speek Spouse's Residence: Saint Luke, Chelsea, Middlesex Licence Date: 14 Aug 1874 Name: Edward Whitfield Residence : Manchester, Lancaster Spouse's Name: Frances Harriet Wainwright Spouse's Residence: Saint Dunstan in The West Licence Date: 27 Jun 1851 Name: George Smart Wood Residence : Liverpool, Lancaster Spouse's Name: Susanna White Spouse's Residence: Saint Paul, Balls Pond, Islington, Middlesex Licence Date: 16 Dec 1844 Regards, Sally eng