The discussion on pronunciation of my HOLLIS/HALLOWS/ALLASS line has been interesting. I've sent for the marriage certificate of Hannah HALLOWS and George WALKER, so will be interesting to see how the names are spelt on the cert. As the marriage is the earliest record I will have for Hannah, I think I'll go with the way it's spelt at that time until proven wrong somehow. I also learnt today that Salford is pronounced SOLford - according to my Lancashire friend out here, but originally from St Helens. She told me HALLOWS could be pronounced very differently depending on which part of Lancashire a person was from. She said her husband came from near Wigan and he pronounced some things differently to her. Thanks again Chris

Hi Chris, I hope the discussion didn't confuse you too much! Re HALLOWS - this is the most common spelling of the name so you are best using that. Just be aware when searching records of the possible variations. The different spellings will be down to the person hearing and writing down the name which is where differing dialects and what is heard occur. Up until the early 1900's (roughly) spelling wasn't standardised in the UK and most of the population wouldn't be able to read or write. Your friend is correct about Salford. I'd forgotten that example. Even with different areas of Manchester this will be pronounced diferently. I've heard it pronounced Manchista!! Even today. So if it is confusing to those that live in the general area it must be ten times more so for folks from across the pond or other countries where English isn't the first language. Hope the certificate you've ordered is the one you want. Good luck with your research. HTH, Val (in Stockport) On 21 April 2011 06:59, Chris & George Jamieson <[email protected]> wrote: > The discussion on pronunciation of my HOLLIS/HALLOWS/ALLASS line has been > interesting. > > I've sent for the marriage certificate of Hannah HALLOWS and George WALKER, > so will be interesting to see how the names are spelt on the cert.  As the > marriage is the earliest record I will have for Hannah, I think I'll go with > the way it's spelt at that time until proven wrong somehow. > > I also learnt today that Salford is pronounced SOLford - according to my > Lancashire friend out here, but originally from St Helens.  She told me > HALLOWS could be pronounced very differently depending on which part of > Lancashire a person was from.  She said her husband came from near Wigan and > he pronounced some things differently to her. > > Thanks again > Chris

Hi again, As far as 'correct' spellings are concerned don't forget that people might well be simply saying their name for someone else to write down so lots of variation can creep in none of which is strictly 'correct'. For example I have a Mary Ann Copeland spelt that way on her marriage cert but Coblant on her daughter's birth cert. She was of Irish-Liverpool descent so presumably people interpreted her accent/pronunciation in different ways. M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris & George Jamieson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 6:59 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER > The discussion on pronunciation of my HOLLIS/HALLOWS/ALLASS line has been > interesting. > > I've sent for the marriage certificate of Hannah HALLOWS and George > WALKER, > so will be interesting to see how the names are spelt on the cert. As the > marriage is the earliest record I will have for Hannah, I think I'll go > with > the way it's spelt at that time until proven wrong somehow. > > I also learnt today that Salford is pronounced SOLford - according to my > Lancashire friend out here, but originally from St Helens. She told me > HALLOWS could be pronounced very differently depending on which part of > Lancashire a person was from. She said her husband came from near Wigan > and > he pronounced some things differently to her. > > Thanks again > Chris > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

Yes they are, what about Ollers? M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Val" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER it could also be interpreted from a Manchester accent as hollers - at least that is how it might sound! with a short "r" if that makes sense. Accents are so fascinating aren't they? Val On 20 April 2011 13:14, Marian Foster <[email protected]> wrote: > > Oh that's interesting! Marian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Val" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:26 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER > > > I know that HALLOW(E)S AND HOLLIS are the same in Derbyshire. Parts > of the dialect seem very similar to the flat Lancashire accent (no > offense intended!).I live in Stockport, Cheshire so am stuck in the > middle of both. If you try saying hallows quick it sort of comes out > like hollis. Before I learnt this I would pronounced Hallows like > hallowed ground but now try to remember the other way to do my > research. I'm interested in this because I have a lot of Hallowes of > Derbyshire in my family. > > Val > > On 20 April 2011 11:55, Marian Foster <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Yes I wondered about that and what about Hallows being something like > > Allus/Allis? Marian > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Christine Benson" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 11:47 AM > > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER > > > > > > >I would have thought HOLLIS might be pronounced "Ollus" as well, with > > >the > > > "H" dropped and the second syllable unstressed so the vowel could be > > > anything. > > > > > > Christine > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Marian Foster > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:25 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER > > > > > > A pleasure! Hope it helps, thanks for the reply. It occurs to me that > > > in > > > a > > > proper old fashioned working class Lancashire accent Hollows might be > > > pronounced something like Ollus. What do other listers think? Marian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Chris & George Jamieson" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:40 AM > > > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER > > > > > > > > >> Thanks to both Marian and Irene for their advice below. The 1841 > > >> marriage - > > >> which I hadn't seen thanks Marian - is worth pursuing and I'll do > > >> that. > > >> And > > >> getting Joseph's birth cert is a good suggestion too Irene, and > > >> thanks > > >> also > > >> for the pronunciation suggestion. Both of you have helped me progress > > >> a > > >> little with this family. > > >> All best > > >> Chris, Sydney > > >> > > >>> 1. Re: HOLLIS & WALKER (Marian Foster) > > >>> 5. Re: HOLLIS & WALKER (Irene Marlborough) > > >>> > > >> > > >>> Hi there, Could it possibly be Hannah Hallows 25 Aug 1841 Manchester > > >>> Cathedral? I know it's late but .... ??? Marian > > >> > > >> snip >> Although I have found the apparent baptisms of George & > > >> Hannah's > > >> 3 > > >>>> children > > >>>> at Cathedral, Manchester (IGI) - William on 5 Oct 1834; and Thomas > > >>>> & > > >>>> Joseph > > >>>> on 8 Nov 1840 - I have yet to find a marriage record for George & > > >>>> Hannah. > > >>> > > >> and from Irene > > >> snip >> It may be worth applying for Joseph's birth certificate.> ? > > >>> And I would pronounce Hollis like Holly with a soft?'ss' at the end. > > >>> ? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > >> > > >> PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > >> > > >> > > >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > >> without > > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > >> ______________________________________________ > > >> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > > >> http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > > > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > > > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

Morning all, This morning's visit to the OPC website found the following databases have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 20 April 2011 Marriages 1850 to 1851 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Blackburn Baptisms 1833 to 1853 and Marriages 1837 to 1845 from the Church of St Nicholas, Newchurch in Rossendale - Baptisms 1833 to 1849, previously extracted from the Bishop's Transcripts are replaced by the contents of the Parish Register and extended to complete the Register Burials 1785 to 1819 from Lower Chapel in the Parish of Over Darwen Baptisms 1885 to 1891, 1896 to 1900 and 1919 to 1926 and Marriages 1892 to 1903 from St Mark, Newtown, Pemberton Baptisms 1794 to 1813 from the Parish of Penwortham Baptisms 1861 to 1870 and Burials 1867 to 1874 from the Parish of Prescot Banns 1824 to 1837 from the Parish of Ribchester Baptisms 1883 to 1914 from the Church of St Philip, Salford Baptisms 1722 to 1747 from the Parish of Samlesbury Marriages 1891 to 1900 from the Parish of Skelmersdale Regards, Sally

Hi Lyn Thank you for your reply. You wrote: 'Your question is a little ambiguous to me.' and ' Why do you ask?' I ask because I'm trying to find a baptismal certificate for ggrandmother Ann LLEWELLEN born 1830 in either Sheffield or Rochdale (according to which census one is reading). I am trying to verify her mother's name. The LLEWELLYN family (Interchangeable spelling) may well have been non-conformist and so Ann could have been baptised at any time between 1830 and 1853 when she married in St. Chad's, Rochdale. I phrased my question in a catch-all way purposely - sorry about that. I should have teased it out. In the end I agree with you. It boils down to what the the incumbent at St. Chad's was practising at the time. I was hoping that some other Lister had a similar experience within their family to compare with mine. Kind regards Ruth

it could also be interpreted from a Manchester accent as hollers - at least that is how it might sound! with a short "r" if that makes sense. Accents are so fascinating aren't they? Val On 20 April 2011 13:14, Marian Foster <[email protected]> wrote: > > Oh that's interesting! Marian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Val" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:26 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER > > > I know that HALLOW(E)S AND  HOLLIS are the same in Derbyshire. Parts > of the dialect seem very similar to the flat Lancashire accent (no > offense intended!).I live in Stockport, Cheshire so am stuck in the > middle of both. If you try saying hallows quick it sort of comes out > like hollis. Before I learnt this I would pronounced Hallows like > hallowed ground but now try to remember the other way to do my > research. I'm interested in this because I have a lot of Hallowes of > Derbyshire in my family. > > Val > > On 20 April 2011 11:55, Marian Foster <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Yes I wondered about that and what about Hallows being something like > > Allus/Allis? Marian > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Christine Benson" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 11:47 AM > > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER > > > > > > >I would have thought HOLLIS might be pronounced "Ollus" as well, with the > > > "H" dropped and the second syllable unstressed so the vowel could be > > > anything. > > > > > > Christine > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Marian Foster > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:25 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER > > > > > > A pleasure! Hope it helps, thanks for the reply. It occurs to me that in > > > a > > > proper old fashioned working class Lancashire accent Hollows might be > > > pronounced something like Ollus. What do other listers think? Marian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Chris & George Jamieson" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:40 AM > > > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER > > > > > > > > >> Thanks to both Marian and Irene for their advice below. The 1841 > > >> marriage - > > >> which I hadn't seen thanks Marian - is worth pursuing and I'll do that. > > >> And > > >> getting Joseph's birth cert is a good suggestion too Irene, and thanks > > >> also > > >> for the pronunciation suggestion. Both of you have helped me progress a > > >> little with this family. > > >> All best > > >> Chris, Sydney > > >> > > >>> 1. Re: HOLLIS & WALKER (Marian Foster) > > >>> 5. Re: HOLLIS & WALKER (Irene Marlborough) > > >>> > > >> > > >>> Hi there, Could it possibly be Hannah Hallows 25 Aug 1841 Manchester > > >>> Cathedral? I know it's late but .... ??? Marian > > >> > > >> snip >> Although I have found the apparent baptisms of George & > > >> Hannah's > > >> 3 > > >>>> children > > >>>> at Cathedral, Manchester (IGI) - William on 5 Oct 1834; and Thomas & > > >>>> Joseph > > >>>> on 8 Nov 1840 - I have yet to find a marriage record for George & > > >>>> Hannah. > > >>> > > >> and from Irene > > >> snip >> It may be worth applying for Joseph's birth certificate.> ? > > >>> And I would pronounce Hollis like Holly with a soft?'ss' at the end. > > >>> ? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > >> > > >> PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > >> > > >> > > >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > >> ______________________________________________ > > >> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > > >> http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > > > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > > > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh that's interesting! Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Val" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER I know that HALLOW(E)S AND HOLLIS are the same in Derbyshire. Parts of the dialect seem very similar to the flat Lancashire accent (no offense intended!).I live in Stockport, Cheshire so am stuck in the middle of both. If you try saying hallows quick it sort of comes out like hollis. Before I learnt this I would pronounced Hallows like hallowed ground but now try to remember the other way to do my research. I'm interested in this because I have a lot of Hallowes of Derbyshire in my family. Val On 20 April 2011 11:55, Marian Foster <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes I wondered about that and what about Hallows being something like > Allus/Allis? Marian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christine Benson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 11:47 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER > > > >I would have thought HOLLIS might be pronounced "Ollus" as well, with the > > "H" dropped and the second syllable unstressed so the vowel could be > > anything. > > > > Christine > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Marian Foster > > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:25 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER > > > > A pleasure! Hope it helps, thanks for the reply. It occurs to me that in > > a > > proper old fashioned working class Lancashire accent Hollows might be > > pronounced something like Ollus. What do other listers think? Marian > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris & George Jamieson" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:40 AM > > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER > > > > > >> Thanks to both Marian and Irene for their advice below. The 1841 > >> marriage - > >> which I hadn't seen thanks Marian - is worth pursuing and I'll do that. > >> And > >> getting Joseph's birth cert is a good suggestion too Irene, and thanks > >> also > >> for the pronunciation suggestion. Both of you have helped me progress a > >> little with this family. > >> All best > >> Chris, Sydney > >> > >>> 1. Re: HOLLIS & WALKER (Marian Foster) > >>> 5. Re: HOLLIS & WALKER (Irene Marlborough) > >>> > >> > >>> Hi there, Could it possibly be Hannah Hallows 25 Aug 1841 Manchester > >>> Cathedral? I know it's late but .... ??? Marian > >> > >> snip >> Although I have found the apparent baptisms of George & > >> Hannah's > >> 3 > >>>> children > >>>> at Cathedral, Manchester (IGI) - William on 5 Oct 1834; and Thomas & > >>>> Joseph > >>>> on 8 Nov 1840 - I have yet to find a marriage record for George & > >>>> Hannah. > >>> > >> and from Irene > >> snip >> It may be worth applying for Joseph's birth certificate.> ? > >>> And I would pronounce Hollis like Holly with a soft?'ss' at the end. > >>> ? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > >> > >> PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > >> > >> > >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> ______________________________________________ > >> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > >> http://www.netintelligence.com/email > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ______________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

I know that HALLOW(E)S AND HOLLIS are the same in Derbyshire. Parts of the dialect seem very similar to the flat Lancashire accent (no offense intended!).I live in Stockport, Cheshire so am stuck in the middle of both. If you try saying hallows quick it sort of comes out like hollis. Before I learnt this I would pronounced Hallows like hallowed ground but now try to remember the other way to do my research. I'm interested in this because I have a lot of Hallowes of Derbyshire in my family. Val On 20 April 2011 11:55, Marian Foster <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes I wondered about that and what about Hallows being something like > Allus/Allis? Marian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christine Benson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 11:47 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER > > > >I would have thought HOLLIS might be pronounced "Ollus" as well, with the > > "H" dropped and the second syllable unstressed so the vowel could be > > anything. > > > > Christine > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Marian Foster > > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:25 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER > > > > A pleasure! Hope it helps, thanks for the reply. It occurs to me that in a > > proper old fashioned working class Lancashire accent Hollows might be > > pronounced something like Ollus. What do other listers think? Marian > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris & George Jamieson" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:40 AM > > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER > > > > > >> Thanks to both Marian and Irene for their advice below.  The 1841 > >> marriage - > >> which I hadn't seen thanks Marian - is worth pursuing and I'll do that. > >> And > >> getting Joseph's birth cert is a good suggestion too Irene, and thanks > >> also > >> for the pronunciation suggestion.  Both of you have helped me progress a > >> little with this family. > >> All best > >> Chris, Sydney > >> > >>>   1. Re: HOLLIS & WALKER (Marian Foster) > >>>   5. Re: HOLLIS & WALKER (Irene Marlborough) > >>> > >> > >>> Hi there, Could it possibly be Hannah Hallows 25 Aug 1841 Manchester > >>> Cathedral? I know it's late but .... ??? Marian > >> > >> snip >> Although I have found the apparent baptisms of George & Hannah's > >> 3 > >>>> children > >>>> at Cathedral, Manchester (IGI) - William on 5 Oct 1834; and Thomas & > >>>> Joseph > >>>> on 8 Nov 1840 - I have yet to find a marriage record for George & > >>>> Hannah. > >>> > >> and from Irene > >> snip >> It may be worth applying for Joseph's birth certificate.> ? > >>> And I would pronounce Hollis like Holly with a soft?'ss' at the end. > >>> ? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > >> > >> PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > >> > >> > >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> ______________________________________________ > >> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > >> http://www.netintelligence.com/email > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ______________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes I wondered about that and what about Hallows being something like Allus/Allis? Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Benson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER >I would have thought HOLLIS might be pronounced "Ollus" as well, with the > "H" dropped and the second syllable unstressed so the vowel could be > anything. > > Christine > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marian Foster > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:25 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER > > A pleasure! Hope it helps, thanks for the reply. It occurs to me that in a > proper old fashioned working class Lancashire accent Hollows might be > pronounced something like Ollus. What do other listers think? Marian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris & George Jamieson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:40 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER > > >> Thanks to both Marian and Irene for their advice below. The 1841 >> marriage - >> which I hadn't seen thanks Marian - is worth pursuing and I'll do that. >> And >> getting Joseph's birth cert is a good suggestion too Irene, and thanks >> also >> for the pronunciation suggestion. Both of you have helped me progress a >> little with this family. >> All best >> Chris, Sydney >> >>> 1. Re: HOLLIS & WALKER (Marian Foster) >>> 5. Re: HOLLIS & WALKER (Irene Marlborough) >>> >> >>> Hi there, Could it possibly be Hannah Hallows 25 Aug 1841 Manchester >>> Cathedral? I know it's late but .... ??? Marian >> >> snip >> Although I have found the apparent baptisms of George & Hannah's >> 3 >>>> children >>>> at Cathedral, Manchester (IGI) - William on 5 Oct 1834; and Thomas & >>>> Joseph >>>> on 8 Nov 1840 - I have yet to find a marriage record for George & >>>> Hannah. >>> >> and from Irene >> snip >> It may be worth applying for Joseph's birth certificate.> ? >>> And I would pronounce Hollis like Holly with a soft?'ss' at the end. >>> ? >> >> >> >> >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >> >> PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. >> >> >> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ______________________________________________ >> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence >> http://www.netintelligence.com/email >> >> > > > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

I would have thought HOLLIS might be pronounced "Ollus" as well, with the "H" dropped and the second syllable unstressed so the vowel could be anything. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Marian Foster Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:25 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER A pleasure! Hope it helps, thanks for the reply. It occurs to me that in a proper old fashioned working class Lancashire accent Hollows might be pronounced something like Ollus. What do other listers think? Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris & George Jamieson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER > Thanks to both Marian and Irene for their advice below. The 1841 > marriage - > which I hadn't seen thanks Marian - is worth pursuing and I'll do that. > And > getting Joseph's birth cert is a good suggestion too Irene, and thanks > also > for the pronunciation suggestion. Both of you have helped me progress a > little with this family. > All best > Chris, Sydney > >> 1. Re: HOLLIS & WALKER (Marian Foster) >> 5. Re: HOLLIS & WALKER (Irene Marlborough) >> > >> Hi there, Could it possibly be Hannah Hallows 25 Aug 1841 Manchester >> Cathedral? I know it's late but .... ??? Marian > > snip >> Although I have found the apparent baptisms of George & Hannah's 3 >>> children >>> at Cathedral, Manchester (IGI) - William on 5 Oct 1834; and Thomas & >>> Joseph >>> on 8 Nov 1840 - I have yet to find a marriage record for George & >>> Hannah. >> > and from Irene > snip >> It may be worth applying for Joseph's birth certificate.> ? >> And I would pronounce Hollis like Holly with a soft?'ss' at the end. >> ? > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A pleasure! Hope it helps, thanks for the reply. It occurs to me that in a proper old fashioned working class Lancashire accent Hollows might be pronounced something like Ollus. What do other listers think? Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris & George Jamieson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS & WALKER > Thanks to both Marian and Irene for their advice below. The 1841 > marriage - > which I hadn't seen thanks Marian - is worth pursuing and I'll do that. > And > getting Joseph's birth cert is a good suggestion too Irene, and thanks > also > for the pronunciation suggestion. Both of you have helped me progress a > little with this family. > All best > Chris, Sydney > >> 1. Re: HOLLIS & WALKER (Marian Foster) >> 5. Re: HOLLIS & WALKER (Irene Marlborough) >> > >> Hi there, Could it possibly be Hannah Hallows 25 Aug 1841 Manchester >> Cathedral? I know it's late but .... ??? Marian > > snip >> Although I have found the apparent baptisms of George & Hannah's 3 >>> children >>> at Cathedral, Manchester (IGI) - William on 5 Oct 1834; and Thomas & >>> Joseph >>> on 8 Nov 1840 - I have yet to find a marriage record for George & >>> Hannah. >> > and from Irene > snip >> It may be worth applying for Joseph's birth certificate.> ? >> And I would pronounce Hollis like Holly with a soft?'ss' at the end. >> ? > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

Thanks to both Marian and Irene for their advice below. The 1841 marriage - which I hadn't seen thanks Marian - is worth pursuing and I'll do that. And getting Joseph's birth cert is a good suggestion too Irene, and thanks also for the pronunciation suggestion. Both of you have helped me progress a little with this family. All best Chris, Sydney > 1. Re: HOLLIS & WALKER (Marian Foster) > 5. Re: HOLLIS & WALKER (Irene Marlborough) > > Hi there, Could it possibly be Hannah Hallows 25 Aug 1841 Manchester > Cathedral? I know it's late but .... ??? Marian snip >> Although I have found the apparent baptisms of George & Hannah's 3 >> children >> at Cathedral, Manchester (IGI) - William on 5 Oct 1834; and Thomas & >> Joseph >> on 8 Nov 1840 - I have yet to find a marriage record for George & Hannah. > and from Irene snip >> It may be worth applying for Joseph's birth certificate.> ? > And I would pronounce Hollis like Holly with a soft?'ss' at the end. > ?

The latest from Lancashire BMD - 15 April 2011 Added 36,499 Births for Manchester RD comprising: Saint George (1874-1889) ~ ~ ~ ~ Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

Hello Listers, Here are the latest set of records to be uploaded to the Lancs OPC website: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 18 April 2011 Burials 1833 to 1855 from the Church of St Peter, in the District of Blackley, Manchester Baptisms 1673 to 1775 from the Parish of Hoole Baptisms 1796 to 1812 from Holy Trinity Church, Horwich Baptisms 1865 to 1878 from the Church of St Stephen, in the District of Hulme, Manchester Banns 1896 to 1900 from the Church of St Mary in the Parish of Lancaster Burials 1859 to 1900 from the Parish of Leck Baptisms 1854 to 1875 from the Church of St Andrew in the Parish of Leyland Burials 1792 to 1800 and 1802 from the Collegiate Church, in the City of Manchester Baptisms 1902 to 1906 and Marriages 1929 to 1932 from the Church of St Cuthbert, Old Trafford, Manchester Baptisms 1876 to 1920 and Marriages 1904 from the Church of St Chrysostom, Rusholme, Manchester Marriages 1916 to 1929 from the Church of St Peter, in the District of Stretford, Manchester 14 April 2011 Marriages 1821 to 1841 from the Church of St Mary, in the district of Hale, Liverpool Note: These Registers have been severely damaged by fire. Baptisms 1765 to 1772 and 1839 to 1840 and Burials 1749 to 1756 from the Church of St Peter, Liverpool Baptisms 1597 to 1717 from the Church of St Helen, in the district of Sefton, Liverpool Marriages 1837 to 1841 from the Church of St John the Baptist, Toxteth, Liverpool Baptisms 1792 to 1806 from the Church of St Mary, Walton on the Hill, Liverpool Burials 1880 to 1901 from the Church of St th Holy Trinity, Wavertree, Liverpool Regards from warm and spring-like Buckinghamshire, Sally

Hi Ruth You question is a little ambiguous to me. Do you mean baptised into the Church of England in any C of E church or baptised at St Chad's in particular? I assumed the first but then wondered about the latter. There are links to various marriage acts here that may answer your question. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_Act_%28disambiguation%29 My feeling would be, technically, no as I understand C of E recognises the baptisms performed in other mainstream Christian religions and that all mainstream Christian Churches consider that you can only be baptised once so vice versa. Therefore if she were baptised RC, for instance, she would not need to be baptised again C of E. Then again an individual Minister's interpretation of Church law may be different, especially then and especially if he was bigoted. Perhaps though she may have needed to be confirmed. You would really need to find an expert in Church law. Why do you ask? Regards Lyn In Oz. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 11:09 AM > Subject: [ENG-MAN] Cof E marriage conditions 1853 > > > > > > Please, does anyone know? > > Ggrandmother Ann LLEWELLEN was married in St. Chad's (CofE) in > > Rochdale in 1853. At that date did one have to be baptised > into the > > church before one could marry there? > > Ruth > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message

Many thanks to Mike for his maps. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Mike Morris Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 2:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Location of Blackley Street, Manchester Hi Christine , I have sent you a section of two maps showing the location of the streets with the church. Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ---- > From: Christine Benson <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 7:34:58 AM > Blackley New Road, St. Michael's C of E church and Ashley Lane seem too > far > north > > Sorry for being dim but if you could point out the modern location, or > ,even > better, a map with them still on, I would be grateful. <snipped> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I'm new to the Manchester list after discovering ancestors from Salford who arrived in Australia in January 1842. The family shown on the Immigration Record are: George WALKER a Bricklayer 33 Hannah WALKER a Housekeeper 34 William 7 Thomas 5 Joseph 3 I have established from George's Immigration Record that George WALKER was the son of James & Elizabeth WALKER, James also being a bricklayer. I have George's baptism at Cathedral, Manchester on 16 Jan 1808. George's wife Hannah appears in various records as HALLIS, HOLLIS, ALLAS. Her parents are Edward (occupation: Dyer) & Anne ALLAS (as name appears on Hannah's Immigration Record). Hannah's maiden name on her daughter's marriage record (1859) is spelt HOLLIS. Although I have found the apparent baptisms of George & Hannah's 3 children at Cathedral, Manchester (IGI) - William on 5 Oct 1834; and Thomas & Joseph on 8 Nov 1840 - I have yet to find a marriage record for George & Hannah. In the 1841 census the family are enumerated at Challinor(?) Street, Salford. (HO107/585/20 Folio 18) If anyone can help find George & Hannah's marriage it would be much appreciated. Lastly, can someone from Lancashire please tell me how the name HOLLIS would be pronounced locally in Lancashire? Many thanks Chris, Sydney

It is in District 28 St George and is is New Blackley Street There is amodern day Blackley New Road If you go to the description on the census it say "All that Part of No2 Police District in the Town of Manchester comprising the south side of Ashley Lane opposite St Michaels Church Yard Hall and the North side of New Blakeley Street" Not sure if I have read this all correctly. Regards Dianne Melbourne Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Location of Blackley Street, Manchester > What other details does it give in the 1841 census. Besides Manchester. > Does it > mention Crumpsall? or Blackley? Or a church district? > > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > > > > ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Christine Benson <[email protected]> >> To: Manchester Mailing List <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 7:53:12 PM > >> >> I have a HILL family in 1841 on Blackley Street, Manchester. >> >> Joseph HILL b 1829, Lancashire (Manchester) HO 107 / 575 / 15 Page 1. >> >> I am trying to place the location on a modern map without any success. >> Can >> SKS point me in the right direction? > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mike, Dianne and All, Thank you for your replies. I had tried to read the description on the census with difficulty. Dianne has done better. Perhaps I am being dim but I am still struggling. Blackley New Road, St. Michael's C of E church and Ashley Lane seem too far north and too far away from each other to be the right place. I have found Strangeways (the prison presumably) and Ancoats south-east of it. There is a large area in-between. In it I can't find an Ashley Lane or New Blackley Street or St Michaels church (using Google maps). So presumably they no longer exist but where were they? Sorry for being dim but if you could point out the modern location, or ,even better, a map with them still on, I would be grateful. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Mike Morris Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 4:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Location of Blackley Street, Manchester Both Ashley Lane and New Blackley Street are on the West side of St Michaels church. West of Ancoats and east of Strangeways . Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ---- > From: Zaffox Pty Ltd <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 10:51:44 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Location of Blackley Street, Manchester > > It is in District 28 St George and is is New Blackley Street t" ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message