Dear Listers, I am new to this list and I'm trying to help a son-in-law research his paternal background. His great grandmother was Ada Winterbottom, nee MacCormac, born c.1884. Birthplace uncertain but believed to be Scotland. She was married to William Edward Winterbottom in 1907 in Salford and had 3 daughters Ada 1909, Lilian 1910 and Doris 1911. She is said to have been the first secretary of the Cooperative Society, a suffragette and the first female magistrate of JP in Salford. His great grandfather was a Henry Clarke a painter and sign writer on the Railway.(officially not doing a Banksie).Harry's wife's name seems to have been forgotten. His son Roy 1908 was a Freemason in the Duke of Lancaster Lodge.He married Doris, the daughter of Ada and William Edward Winterbottom. Can anyone tell me how I may verify any or all of this information? Best wishes, Mary

Hi Mary, Do you have the marriage cert for William and Ada,as this will provide the fathers names for both of them,and also maybe the names witnesses who could be family members,which would be very helpful in finding them on the 1901 census. Have you "found " either of them on any census returns? On the 1901 census there is an entry for an Ada Mc Cormack aged 16 who is a lodger in the house of Caroline Rigby,born Manchester, living in Manchester,and another one living with family in Barrow in Furness occ apprentice milliner There is a birth of a Roy Clarke registered 1908 in Chorlton on freebmd which would give you the name of his mother,if this was where he was born. On the 1911 census the family are living at 20 June St,Regents Rd Salford,but Lillian born 1910 and Doris b1911 are not listed. Hope this helps Gilly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 6:21 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Ada Winterbottom nee MacCormac and Henry(Harry) Clarke > Dear Listers, > > I am new to this list and I'm trying to help a son-in-law research his > paternal background. > > His great grandmother was Ada Winterbottom, nee MacCormac, born c.1884. > Birthplace uncertain but believed to be Scotland. > > She was married to William Edward Winterbottom in 1907 in Salford and had > 3 daughters Ada 1909, Lilian 1910 and Doris 1911. She is said to have been > the first secretary of the Cooperative Society, a suffragette and the > first female magistrate of JP in Salford. > > His great grandfather was a Henry Clarke a painter and sign writer on the > Railway.(officially not doing a Banksie).Harry's wife's name seems to have > been forgotten. His son Roy 1908 was a Freemason in the Duke of Lancaster > Lodge.He married Doris, the daughter of Ada and William Edward > Winterbottom. > > Can anyone tell me how I may verify any or all of this information? > > Best wishes, > > Mary > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Judith, James and Emily were my great grandparents. They lived in The Avenue, Granville, NSW up until the time of their deaths. Walter Charles Ellis Monks, b 1902 Granville, the last born of the family, was my grandfather. I have been in contact with the Glynn HIBBERT in the UK, who is a descendant on that side of the family. My Mum, although just a young child at the time, still remembers Emily because she wasn't allowed to visit her in the hospital at the time when she was dying of facial cancer. Some time ago I set up a MONKS family mailing list / group at yahoo hoping to attract some more help but you're only the second one who shown any interest on our clan. It's at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Monks_Family/ Look in the files section for ALL the MONKS entries in the Sands post office directory In 2012 I hope to visit Glynne and also Manchester. I am quite happy to exchange documentation of list, since the list cannot process attachments. Have you been in contact with John Graham here in Sydney as he's another member of the clan ? He's the big cheese in Sydney Dead Persons Society. He supplied the photo of Elizabeth Ann b 1883, Marrickville, his grandmother, that I put on the group web page. Look forward to hearing from you soon, Tony Moore (Castle Hill, NSW) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ On 20 May 2011 at 8:34, Judith Dumbrell wrote: From: "Judith Dumbrell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 08:34:12 +1000 Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] MONKS, HIBBERT Send reply to: [email protected] > Hello there, > > I am researching James MONKS, born about 1856 in Lancashire. He married > Emily HIBBERT 10.11.1877 in Bradford Manchester. > > Emily and her son emigrated to Australia in 1882 and came out to join her > husband who had sailed earlier. > Their children's names were: John W,(born England) the rest were born > Australia - Elizabeth Ann, Emily, Mary Ellen, Lillian M, James William, > Thomas Samuel, Martha Minnie Eliza and Walter Charles Ellis Monks. > > His parents were John and Elizabeth on his death record. > > Emily HIBBERT was also from Lancashire on her shipping record and 22 yrs old > in 1882. Her death record says her parents were John and Emily. > > I am wondering, as this couple married in MANCHESTER, were they also born > there. Were they both working in Manchester perhaps. Does anyone have the > 1871 census,or earlier, which might tell me whether they were in Bradford > and perhaps where they were born. > > Can anyone help me with this family. > > regards > Judy in Australia > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3648 - Release Date: 05/20/11 04:34:00

Hi Judith, I have found the MONKs in 1861 at 5 Leigh Street, Openshaw - John 43 Brickmaker born Wigan Lancashire, Elizabeth 38 Cotton Weaver born Manchester Lancashire, Thomas Henry 17 Manchester, William 14 Manchester, Sarah Ann 13 Manchester, John 9 Openshaw Lancashire, James 5 Openshaw, Elizabeth Jane 2 Openshaw Emily MONKS is with Samuel and Elizabeth HIBBERT in 1881 born Openshaw Lancashire. Hope this helps, let me know if I can do more. Alex and Jan Fitton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Dumbrell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] MONKS, HIBBERT > Hello there, > > I am researching James MONKS, born about 1856 in Lancashire. He married > Emily HIBBERT 10.11.1877 in Bradford Manchester. > > Emily and her son emigrated to Australia in 1882 and came out to join her > husband who had sailed earlier. > Their children's names were: John W,(born England) the rest were born > Australia - Elizabeth Ann, Emily, Mary Ellen, Lillian M, James William, > Thomas Samuel, Martha Minnie Eliza and Walter Charles Ellis Monks. > > His parents were John and Elizabeth on his death record. > > Emily HIBBERT was also from Lancashire on her shipping record and 22 yrs > old > in 1882. Her death record says her parents were John and Emily. > > I am wondering, as this couple married in MANCHESTER, were they also born > there. Were they both working in Manchester perhaps. Does anyone have > the > 1871 census,or earlier, which might tell me whether they were in Bradford > and perhaps where they were born. > > Can anyone help me with this family. > > regards > Judy in Australia >

Hello there, I am researching James MONKS, born about 1856 in Lancashire. He married Emily HIBBERT 10.11.1877 in Bradford Manchester. Emily and her son emigrated to Australia in 1882 and came out to join her husband who had sailed earlier. Their children's names were: John W,(born England) the rest were born Australia - Elizabeth Ann, Emily, Mary Ellen, Lillian M, James William, Thomas Samuel, Martha Minnie Eliza and Walter Charles Ellis Monks. His parents were John and Elizabeth on his death record. Emily HIBBERT was also from Lancashire on her shipping record and 22 yrs old in 1882. Her death record says her parents were John and Emily. I am wondering, as this couple married in MANCHESTER, were they also born there. Were they both working in Manchester perhaps. Does anyone have the 1871 census,or earlier, which might tell me whether they were in Bradford and perhaps where they were born. Can anyone help me with this family. regards Judy in Australia

Hi Judy.......the online IGI has this baptism: JOHN MONKS May 4, 1856 Manchester Cathedral Parents: John & Elizabeth Monks And there was a marriage of a John Monks & Elizabeth Swainson on February 14, 1854 at Manchester Cathedral. The 1881 census has Emily and baby, John living here: 160 South St., Openshaw, Lancashire Samuel Hibbert Head Age 52 Waggon Inspector Born: Heaton Norris, Cheshire Ellzabeth Hibbert Wife Age 53 Born: Bury, Lancs. John Hibbert Son Age 11 Scholar Born: Openshaw, Lancs. Elizabeth Hibbert Daughter Age 15 Weaver Born: Openshaw, Lancs. William Hibbert Son Age 17 Number Taker (Fail Lab) Born: Openshaw, Lancs. Emily Monks Boarder Married Age 20 Weaver Born: Openshaw, Lancs. John Monks Boarder's Son Age 1 Born: Bradford, Lancs. mary lou In a message dated 5/19/2011 4:35:31 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hello there, I am researching James MONKS, born about 1856 in Lancashire. He married Emily HIBBERT 10.11.1877 in Bradford Manchester. Emily and her son emigrated to Australia in 1882 and came out to join her husband who had sailed earlier. Their children's names were: John W,(born England) the rest were born Australia - Elizabeth Ann, Emily, Mary Ellen, Lillian M, James William, Thomas Samuel, Martha Minnie Eliza and Walter Charles Ellis Monks. His parents were John and Elizabeth on his death record. Emily HIBBERT was also from Lancashire on her shipping record and 22 yrs old in 1882. Her death record says her parents were John and Emily. I am wondering, as this couple married in MANCHESTER, were they also born there. Were they both working in Manchester perhaps. Does anyone have the 1871 census,or earlier, which might tell me whether they were in Bradford and perhaps where they were born. Can anyone help me with this family. regards Judy in Australia ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Judy On the 1881 Emily Monks and son John are living in the house of Samuel and Elizabeth Hibbert in Openshaw,they are listed as boarders. On the 1861 Emily aged 7 Months is listed as the daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth Hibbert living at Ashton Rd Openshaw also listed as family are Ellis Hibbert aged 6 Charles Hibbert aged 4 Mary Ellen aged 2. >From the naming patterns of the children born in Australia I would think this was actually Emily's family On the 1861 living at 5 Leigh St Openshaw there is a probable match for the Monks family. All named Monks John aged 43 brick maker born Wigan Elizabeth aged 38 born Manchester Thomas Henry aged 17 born Manchester William aged 14 born Manchester Sarah Ann aged 13 born Manchester John aged 9 born Openshaw James aged 5 born Openshaw Elizabeth Jane aged 2 born Openshaw On the 1871 the family are mistranscribed as Monts on Ancestry, Elizabeth is now a widow but the family are all still together but now living at 57 Charlotte, Gorton Hope this helps Gilly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Dumbrell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] MONKS, HIBBERT > Hello there, > > I am researching James MONKS, born about 1856 in Lancashire. He married > Emily HIBBERT 10.11.1877 in Bradford Manchester. > > Emily and her son emigrated to Australia in 1882 and came out to join her > husband who had sailed earlier. > Their children's names were: John W,(born England) the rest were born > Australia - Elizabeth Ann, Emily, Mary Ellen, Lillian M, James William, > Thomas Samuel, Martha Minnie Eliza and Walter Charles Ellis Monks. > > His parents were John and Elizabeth on his death record. > > Emily HIBBERT was also from Lancashire on her shipping record and 22 yrs > old > in 1882. Her death record says her parents were John and Emily. > > I am wondering, as this couple married in MANCHESTER, were they also born > there. Were they both working in Manchester perhaps. Does anyone have > the > 1871 census,or earlier, which might tell me whether they were in Bradford > and perhaps where they were born. > > Can anyone help me with this family. > > regards > Judy in Australia > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Morning all, Here are the latest databases to be added to the OPC website: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 17 May 2011 Burials 1778 to 1798 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Burnley Burials 2010 to 2011 from Burnley Cemetery Marriages 1875 to 1879 from the Church of the Holy Trinity in the Parish of Habergham Eaves The search engine has also been updated to include all records added up until the 6th of May. Regards, Sally

Good luck with your searches! Marian -----Original Message----- From: Lorita Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 7:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Fw: York family Hi Marian Thank you for your suggestions will ceertainly give it a try. It is some years' since I last researched this line so maybe I shall be lucky this time round. Will put it out on the list if I have any luck. Lorita ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marian Foster" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Fw: York family > Hi Lorita, You've probably already tried this, but if you put surname > York, > father William birth 1750+-20 years on familysearch beta and gradually > extend the counties of England from Lancashire (no more than Thomas) to > Cheshire (none) Westmorland (none) Cumberland (none) then try > Northumberland > (lots) Yorkshire (lots as you'd expect!) Lincolnshire (lots)and so on it > might give you a feel for which counties to begin your searches. You could > then ask your question on the lists there and see what comes up? Just a > thought! Marian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lorita > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 4:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-MAN] Fw: York family > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: LoritaE > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 4:52 PM > Subject: York family > > > I am researching the YORK family and I cannot get any further back than > 1750. > > St Mary's Bury Parish records for 1750 show that - > > Thomas YORK son of William YORK a traveller was baptised on 1st April > 1750. > > Thomas married Jane BURY at Eccles Parish Church in September 1781 they > had > 9 children all baptised at Peel Nr Worsley and their descendants lived in > the Worsley area until the beginning of the 20th Century including 4 > generations of Miners. > > To research further I need to know more of WILLIAM the traveller to find > out > where he went after his son was baptised. I have tried the various > records > without success, would be grateful for any help. > > TIA > > Lorita Paisley > nee YORK > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

Hi Marian Thank you for your suggestions will ceertainly give it a try. It is some years' since I last researched this line so maybe I shall be lucky this time round. Will put it out on the list if I have any luck. Lorita ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marian Foster" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Fw: York family > Hi Lorita, You've probably already tried this, but if you put surname > York, > father William birth 1750+-20 years on familysearch beta and gradually > extend the counties of England from Lancashire (no more than Thomas) to > Cheshire (none) Westmorland (none) Cumberland (none) then try > Northumberland > (lots) Yorkshire (lots as you'd expect!) Lincolnshire (lots)and so on it > might give you a feel for which counties to begin your searches. You could > then ask your question on the lists there and see what comes up? Just a > thought! Marian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lorita > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 4:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-MAN] Fw: York family > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: LoritaE > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 4:52 PM > Subject: York family > > > I am researching the YORK family and I cannot get any further back than > 1750. > > St Mary's Bury Parish records for 1750 show that - > > Thomas YORK son of William YORK a traveller was baptised on 1st April > 1750. > > Thomas married Jane BURY at Eccles Parish Church in September 1781 they > had > 9 children all baptised at Peel Nr Worsley and their descendants lived in > the Worsley area until the beginning of the 20th Century including 4 > generations of Miners. > > To research further I need to know more of WILLIAM the traveller to find > out > where he went after his son was baptised. I have tried the various > records > without success, would be grateful for any help. > > TIA > > Lorita Paisley > nee YORK > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lorita, You've probably already tried this, but if you put surname York, father William birth 1750+-20 years on familysearch beta and gradually extend the counties of England from Lancashire (no more than Thomas) to Cheshire (none) Westmorland (none) Cumberland (none) then try Northumberland (lots) Yorkshire (lots as you'd expect!) Lincolnshire (lots)and so on it might give you a feel for which counties to begin your searches. You could then ask your question on the lists there and see what comes up? Just a thought! Marian -----Original Message----- From: Lorita Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 4:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-MAN] Fw: York family ----- Original Message ----- From: LoritaE Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 4:52 PM Subject: York family I am researching the YORK family and I cannot get any further back than 1750. St Mary's Bury Parish records for 1750 show that - Thomas YORK son of William YORK a traveller was baptised on 1st April 1750. Thomas married Jane BURY at Eccles Parish Church in September 1781 they had 9 children all baptised at Peel Nr Worsley and their descendants lived in the Worsley area until the beginning of the 20th Century including 4 generations of Miners. To research further I need to know more of WILLIAM the traveller to find out where he went after his son was baptised. I have tried the various records without success, would be grateful for any help. TIA Lorita Paisley nee YORK ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

----- Original Message ----- From: LoritaE Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 4:52 PM Subject: York family I am researching the YORK family and I cannot get any further back than 1750. St Mary's Bury Parish records for 1750 show that - Thomas YORK son of William YORK a traveller was baptised on 1st April 1750. Thomas married Jane BURY at Eccles Parish Church in September 1781 they had 9 children all baptised at Peel Nr Worsley and their descendants lived in the Worsley area until the beginning of the 20th Century including 4 generations of Miners. To research further I need to know more of WILLIAM the traveller to find out where he went after his son was baptised. I have tried the various records without success, would be grateful for any help. TIA Lorita Paisley nee YORK

Hello all, More records have been added to the OPC database - http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html - so Happy Hunting! 6 May 2011 Marriages 1866 to 1868 and 1896 to 1900 from the Church of St Michael-in-the-Hamlet, in the district of Aigburth, Liverpool Baptisms 1887 to 1899 from St David, Haigh Banns 1848 to 1894 from the Church of St Mary, in the district of Knowsley, Liverpool Marriages 1813 to 1820 from the Church of St John Haymarket, Liverpool Burials 1832 to 1856 from the Church of St Paul, Liverpool Burials 1665 to 1694 from the Parish of Prescot Baptisms 1828 to 1832, 1854 to 1856 and 1870 to 1875 from St John in the Town of Preston Baptisms 1893 to 1936 from St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Prestwich The completion of the Register for Baptisms 1891 to 1936 Burials 1813 to 1833 from the Church of St Mary, in the Parish of Radcliffe Baptisms 1871 to 1884 from the Church of St John the Baptist, Toxteth, Liverpool Baptisms 1813 to 1842 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, West Derby, Liverpool Baptisms 1915 to 1923 from the Church of St Jude the Apostle, West Derby, Liverpool Regards, Sally

Hello all, More records have been added to the OPC database - http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html - so Happy Hunting! 6 May 2011 Marriages 1866 to 1868 and 1896 to 1900 from the Church of St Michael-in-the-Hamlet, in the district of Aigburth, Liverpool Baptisms 1887 to 1899 from St David, Haigh Banns 1848 to 1894 from the Church of St Mary, in the district of Knowsley, Liverpool Marriages 1813 to 1820 from the Church of St John Haymarket, Liverpool Burials 1832 to 1856 from the Church of St Paul, Liverpool Burials 1665 to 1694 from the Parish of Prescot Baptisms 1828 to 1832, 1854 to 1856 and 1870 to 1875 from St John in the Town of Preston Baptisms 1893 to 1936 from St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Prestwich The completion of the Register for Baptisms 1891 to 1936 Burials 1813 to 1833 from the Church of St Mary, in the Parish of Radcliffe Baptisms 1871 to 1884 from the Church of St John the Baptist, Toxteth, Liverpool Baptisms 1813 to 1842 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, West Derby, Liverpool Baptisms 1915 to 1923 from the Church of St Jude the Apostle, West Derby, Liverpool Regards, Sally

Thanks to Joan, Marian & Martin for your replies. I have decided not to follow up the Marriage Licence as I've been told that Licences from that date won't contain any further info than what appears in the PR. It appears from Martin's post that perhaps the first witness, John HASLU/HASLEE/??? may have been a church witness, but Mary NUTTALL may be worth researching further as being connected to the bride and groom. Again, many thanks. Chris, Sydney Australia > From: "Bwuk" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS/WALKER Marriage Witnesses > John HASER witnessed the previous marriage - looks like HASLU or HASLEE > (HAS... being definite) but the handwriting looks the same in both > entries - > he clearly had trouble writing his name. > Mary NUTTALL does not appear elsewhere that day, nor a day either side. > HTH, > Martin

Morning all, Today's visit to the OPC site found the following records have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 5 May 2011 Marriages 1851 to 1854 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Blackburn Marriages 1854 to 1866 from the Church of St Paul, Blackburn Marriages 1793 to 1809 and 1847 to 1849 from the Parish of Church Kirk Marriages 1890 to 1900 from the Parish of Farington Baptisms 1890 to 1895 from the Church of St John the Evangelist in the Parish of Great Marsden Marriages 1673 to 1753 from the Parish of Hoole Baptisms 1678 to 1711 from St Michael in the Parish of Kirkham Marriages 1897 to 1903 from the Stowell Memorial Church, Weaste Regards, Sally

I have a new email address. It is [email protected] On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:57 AM, sally roberts <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Morning all, > > Today's visit to the OPC site found the following records have been added: > http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html > > 5 May 2011 > > Marriages 1851 to 1854 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin in the Parish > of Blackburn > > Marriages 1854 to 1866 from the Church of St Paul, Blackburn > > Marriages 1793 to 1809 and 1847 to 1849 from the Parish of Church Kirk > > Marriages 1890 to 1900 from the Parish of Farington > > Baptisms 1890 to 1895 from the Church of St John the Evangelist in the > Parish of Great Marsden > > Marriages 1673 to 1753 from the Parish of Hoole > > Baptisms 1678 to 1711 from St Michael in the Parish of Kirkham > > Marriages 1897 to 1903 from the Stowell Memorial Church, Weaste > > Regards, > Sally > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Chris, John HASER witnessed the previous marriage - looks like HASLU or HASLEE (HAS... being definite) but the handwriting looks the same in both entries - he clearly had trouble writing his name. Mary NUTTALL does not appear elsewhere that day, nor a day either side. HTH, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris & George Jamieson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 11:15 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] HOLLIS/WALKER Marriage Witnesses >I have received the marriage certificate for George WALKER to Hannah >HALLOWS > which took place in Manchester Cathedral on 25th August 1841. > > You may remember my posts regarding Hannah's surname being HALLOWS or > HOLLIS > or ALLISS etc. > > The witness names mean nothing to me, so I am wondering if anyone on the > List has a marriage cert from Cathedral for around this time which may > have > the same names as witnesses, therefore indicating they were "church" > witnesses, rather than friends or relatives of the couple. > > The witness names are Mary NUTTALL and the other is John LASER or HASER - > I'm not sure of the first letter in the surname. > > Any help much appreciated. > > Chris, Sydney Australia > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again, the actual marriage license rarely survives as it was given to the groom to keep and show to the vicar but these were not stored anywhere. What you need to look for is the allegation that went with it. (A statement that the couple were not within the forbidden bounds for marriage) . These are often stored in archives but I'm only familiar with the Welsh system maybe someone on this list could advise you better, kind regards, Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris & George Jamieson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 12:17 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Marriage Licence No. 24456 > The WALKER/HALLOWS marriage cert I've previously written about states the > couple were married by the above Licence No. > > Where would I be able to find a copy of the Licence? > > Regards > Chris, Sydney Australia > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

The WALKER/HALLOWS marriage cert I've previously written about states the couple were married by the above Licence No. Where would I be able to find a copy of the Licence? Regards Chris, Sydney Australia