Hi Joyce I'll forward your thanks to Lancashire BMD. Should anyone else like to join in, you can contact the project via the contact page at http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/index.php?form_action=contact&county=lancashire Kind regards, Lynne Joyce Sanderson wrote: >Hello I would like to join Pam in wishing All the transcribers and all helpeers for their wonderful workregards Joyce Sanderson >

Hello I would like to join Pam in wishing All the transcribers and all helpeers for their wonderful workregards Joyce Sanderson > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:55:52 -0400 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Lancashire BMD updates 12 June, 14 June & 21 June 2011 > > Hi Pam > > You're very welcome, however no thanks are due to me -- I just copy and > paste! I'll convey your thanks to the Lancashire BMD team. > > Kindest regards, > Lynne > > > Pam Hurley wrote: > > >Lynne, that's impressive! Please thank all the transcribers, and > >yourself for letting us know. > > > >Best wishes, Pam. > > > > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers, Today's visit to the OPC website found the following large batch of updated databases: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ 21 June 2011 Marriages 1862 to 1871 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Blackburn Baptisms 1882 to 1915 from Cable Street Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Bolton Baptisms 1853 to 1900 from Birtenshaw Methodist, in the District of Bromley Cross, Bolton Baptisms 1862 to 1895 from St Helens Rd Methodist, in the District of Daubhill, Bolton Baptisms 1848 to 1915 from Chew Moor Wesleyan Methodist, in the District of Lostock, Bolton Baptisms and Burials 1726 to 1777 and Marriages 1727 to 1754 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Burnley Banns 1842 to 1877 from the church of St George in the Parish of Chorley Burials 1876 to 1916 from the Church of St Clement, in the District of Chorlton-cum-Hardy, Manchester Baptisms 1779 to 1801 from the Parish of Church Kirk Baptisms 1720 to 1745 from the Church of St Andrew in the Parish of Leyland A Register of Children of Dissenters & Papists Baptisms 1886 to 1936 from the Church of St Anne Richmond, Liverpool Baptisms 1858 to 1909 from the Church of St Columba, Liverpool Banns 1889 to 1900 from the Parish of Mawdesley with Bispham Marriages 1860 to 1862 from St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Prestwich Baptisms 1818 to 1820 and 1832 to 1836 from St John in the Town of Preston Baptisms 1898 to 1903 from Christ Church, Salford Baptisms 1827 to 1830 from the Church of St Patrick, Toxteth, Liverpool Happy Hunting! Regards, Sally

Mary, 1891: There is a Josh [Joseph] McCormick [indexed as Josh W. Corwick], 43, carter, b Ireland, dau Martha E 15 b Salford, Ada 7 [FreeBMD has her born 1882] b Manchester, Alfred 9 [I think], Danl 5 both born Manchester. Lodgers at 27 Gartside, Manchester. Could this be them? Liane

Hi Mary,I think I have the Clarkes 1891 at 12 Queen St.Withington. Head Harry Clarke 39y House painter,wife Sarah Jane. Ref. RG12 piece 3162 folio 95 page 46 GSU roll 6098272. 1901 still at 12 Queen St. Sarah J is a widow, Charles is transcribed as Charles J (ancestry) RG13 piece 3670 folio 136 page 30 Haven't looked for McCormacs yet! HTH,Anne On 22 June 2011 15:45, Mary <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Listers, > I recently got marriage certificates for 2 couples thinking that after that > their parents could be traced back on the censuses. I seem to have gone in > circles all morning and got nowhere. > The first couple were Charles Edward Clarke and Emily Hubbard who married > 19 Sept. 1903 in Withington, Chorlton. Charles' father was given as Harry > Clarke, decorator master, deceased. One of the witnesses was Harry Everett > Clarke, who I assumed, perhaps wrongly, was Charles's brother. Charles was > born circ 1877 in Hulme and I found a birth for a Harry Everett Clarke in > 1874. My searching has not found a family with both Harry and Charles in it, > nor with a father called Harry. > The second couple were Ada MacCormac and William Edward Winterbottom, born > c,. 1884 and married in 1907 in Salford. Ada's father was given as Joseph > MacCormac, labourer. I've tried a variety of spellings but can't find > Joseph. I know Ada was already living independently in 1901. > I've got to the stage of not seeing the wood for the trees. > Can anyone help please? > Best wishes, > Mary > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Listers, I recently got marriage certificates for 2 couples thinking that after that their parents could be traced back on the censuses. I seem to have gone in circles all morning and got nowhere. The first couple were Charles Edward Clarke and Emily Hubbard who married 19 Sept. 1903 in Withington, Chorlton. Charles' father was given as Harry Clarke, decorator master, deceased. One of the witnesses was Harry Everett Clarke, who I assumed, perhaps wrongly, was Charles's brother. Charles was born circ 1877 in Hulme and I found a birth for a Harry Everett Clarke in 1874. My searching has not found a family with both Harry and Charles in it, nor with a father called Harry. The second couple were Ada MacCormac and William Edward Winterbottom, born c,. 1884 and married in 1907 in Salford. Ada's father was given as Joseph MacCormac, labourer. I've tried a variety of spellings but can't find Joseph. I know Ada was already living independently in 1901. I've got to the stage of not seeing the wood for the trees. Can anyone help please? Best wishes, Mary

Hi Pam You're very welcome, however no thanks are due to me -- I just copy and paste! I'll convey your thanks to the Lancashire BMD team. Kindest regards, Lynne Pam Hurley wrote: >Lynne, that's impressive! Please thank all the transcribers, and >yourself for letting us know. > >Best wishes, Pam. > > >

Lynne, that's impressive! Please thank all the transcribers, and yourself for letting us know. Best wishes, Pam.

>From our hard working friends at Lancashire BMD - 12 June 2011 Added 1,018 Births for Bury RD comprising: Holcombe (1868-1870); Radcliffe (1890-1891) Added 34,255 Births for Manchester RD comprising: Deansgate (1845-1881) 14 June 2011 Added 12,466 Deaths for Bury RD comprising: Birtle (1870-1880); Bury North (1870-1880); Bury South (1868-1873); Elton (1866-1877); Tottington (1877-1885); Walmersley (1867-1877) 21 June 2011 Added 19,048 Births for Prescot RD comprising: Prescot (1944-1961) Added 13,617 Deaths for Burnley RD comprising: Burnley West (1924-1956) ~ ~ ~ ~ Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

Another big update from our hard working friends at Lancashire BMD, including some Synagogue data - 11 June 2011 Added 2,234 Births for North Sefton RD comprising: Formby (1852-1856); North Meols (1852-1856) Added 3,129 Marriages for Salford RD comprising: Salford, Irwell Street Wesleyan Chapel (1938-1938); Seedley, Warren Street Independent Methodist (1938-1938); Pendleton, St David Welsh Methodist (1938-1938); Salford, St. John, Methodist (1938-1938); Boothstown Methodist (1938-1938); Salford, Hope Congregational (1938-1938); Pendleton, Bethesda Chapel, Broad St (1938-1938); Salford, Richmond Independent Chapel (1938-1938); Salford, Central United Reformed Church (1938-1938); Salford, Wesleyan Methodist (1938-1938); Salford, Brunswick, Methodist (1938-1938); Salford, St. Stephen Methodist (1938-1938); Higher Broughton Chapel (1938-1938); Lower Broughton Wesleyan (1938-1938); Broughton Park URC (1938-1938); Pendleton, Broad Street Congregational (1938-1938); Salford, Weaste Congregational/United Reformed Church (1938-1938); Salford, Gravel Lane Methodist (1938-1938); Broughton, Salford New Church, Frederick Road (1938-1938); Salford, Great Clowes Street Methodist (1938-1938); Broughton, North Manchester New Church (1938-1938); Salford, Methodist Free Church (1938-1938); Salford, Dock Mission Hall, New Park Road (1938-1938); Higher Broughton, Presbyterian (1938-1938); Pendleton, Enys Street Methodist (1938-1938); Swinton, Worsley Road URC (1938-1938); Swinton, Methodist Free Church, Worsley Rd (1938-1938); Salford, St. Paul, Methodist (1938-1938); Salford, Trinity Congregational (1938-1938); Worsley, Trinity Methodist (1938-1938); Salford, Bolton Road Methodist (1938-1938); Salford, Wesleyan Methodist (1938-1938); Patricroft, Trinity Methodist (1938-1938); Eccles, Barton Road Methodist (1938-1938); Salford, Zion Methodist (1938-1938); Eccles, Immanuel Methodist Church (1938-1938); Irlam, St. Paul, Methodist (1938-1938); Cadishead, Wesleyan Methodist (1938-1938); Walkden, Congregational Church (1938-1938); Pendlebury, Methodist Church (1938-1938); Broughton, Salem, Wellington St East (1938-1938); Swinton, Chorley Road (formerly Primitive) Methodist Church (formerly Primitive) Methodist Church, registers at Salford (1938-1938); Salford, Memorial Road Methodist (1938-1938); Patricroft, Patricroft (formerly Ebenezer) Methodist Church (formerly Ebenezer) Methodist Church, registers at Salford (1938-1938); Salford, Westwood Methodist (1938-1938); Pendlebury, Bethel Methodist (1938-1938); Pendlebury, United Methodist Free Church, Dumbell St (1938-1938); Monton, Monton Methodist Church (1938-1938); Swinton, Manchester Road Methodist Church (1938-1938); Pendleton, Charlestown Congregational (1938-1938); Walkden Moor Methodist (1938-1938); Salford, St. Andrew, Methodist (1938-1938); Walkden or Little Hulton, Worsley Road North, Methodist (1938-1938); Little Hulton, Wesleyan Church, Cleggs Lane (1938-1938); Little Hulton, Wharton Untied Reformed Church (1938-1938); Eccles, Particroft United Reformed Church (1938-1938); Eccles, Central Hall Methodist (1938-1938); Pendlebury, Ellesmere Street Methodist Church (1938-1938); Higher Broughton, Leicester Road Methodist (1938-1938); Salford, Whit Lane Methodist (1938-1938); Barton-on-Irwell Register Office or Registrar Attended (1938-1938); Eccles Parish St Mary's (1938-1938); Swinton St Peter (1938-1938); Worsley St Mark (1938-1938); Winton, St Mary Magdalene (1938-1938); Pendlebury Christ Church (1938-1938); Salford St Augustine (1938-1938); Pendlebury St John (1938-1938); St Mary's, Cadishead (1938-1938); Peel St Paul (1938-1938); Patricroft, St Michael and All Angels (1938-1938); Eccles St Andrew (1938-1938); Salford Christ Church (1938-1938); Salford St Cyprian (1938-1938); Salford Sacred Trinity (1938-1938); Holy Angels Claremont, Pendleton (1938-1938); Stowell Memorial (1938-1938); Salford St Ignatius (1938-1938); Salford Ascension (1938-1938); Patricroft Christ Church (1938-1938); Pendleton St Paul (1938-1938); Kersal St Paul (1938-1938); Salford St Stephen (1938-1938); Salford St Luke (1938-1938); Salford St Matthias (1938-1938); Salford St Philip (1938-1938); Weaste All Saints (1938-1938); Salford St George (1938-1938); Pendleton St Thomas (1938-1938); Broughton St Clements (1938-1938); Monton St Paul (1938-1938); Salford St Barnabas (1938-1938); Broughton St John (1938-1938); Salford St Ambrose (1938-1938); Salford St Bartholomew (1938-1938); Brindle Heath, St. Anne (1938-1938); Hope St James (1938-1938); Higher Broughton St James (1938-1938); Salford St Clements (1938-1938); Irlam St John (1938-1938); Clifton St Ann (1938-1938); Little Hulton St John (1938-1938); Walkden St Paul (1938-1938); Salford Holy Rood (1938-1938); Higher Broughton Synagogue (1938-1938); Higher Crumpsall & Higher Broughton Synagogue (1938-1938); Manchester, Central and North Manchester Synagogue (1938-1938); Kersal, North Salford & Beth Hamedrash (prev. Romanian) Synagogue (prev. Romanian) Synagogue, registers at Salford (1938-1938); Salford Register Office or Registrar Attended (1938-1938) ~ ~ ~ ~ Even more to follow. Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

From Lancashire BMD - 6 June 2011 Added 19,612 Births for Blackpool RD comprising: Blackpool South (1945-1960) Amended 10,129 Births for Burnley RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Barnoldswick (1862-1902) Added 16,532 Deaths for Burnley RD comprising: Burnley West (1901-1924) Added 5,131 Deaths for Hyndburn RD comprising: Edenfield (1837-1895) 8 June 2011 Added 7,128 Births for Bury RD comprising: Bury South (1872-1874); Radcliffe (1885-1897) Amended 28,059 Births for Blackburn RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Blackburn Northern (1901-1911); Blackburn Southern (1900-1907); Darwen (1905-1910) ~ ~ ~ ~ More to follow. Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

Hi All and Maureen, Now found Dionysius, very mis-transcribed, in 1861. So thanks again Maureen, I needed to know the family to find that. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Christine Benson Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 6:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Dionysius NEWTON and John NEWTON Well done Maureen, it's a bit unreadable isn't it. Now I know the parents and siblings I'll have another go at 1861. Many thanks, Christine -----Original Message----- From: Maureen Line Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 6:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Dionysius NEWTON and John NEWTON Christine, Dionysius NEWTON is on the 1851 census of Rusholme, Gorton and Openshaw.He is living 80 Ashton? road, Openshaw. His parents are William H. Newton aged 25years -general Manchester and scotch merchant born Manchester, Lancs. His wife is Mary Ann Newton aged 29 years born Bolton, Lancashire The children are William Edward aged 3years, Samuel aged 2years and Dionysius - no age given. There is a servant Mary Ellen Bailey no age given. The children were born Openshaw, Lancs. Hope this helps. Maureen.

Well done Maureen, it's a bit unreadable isn't it. Now I know the parents and siblings I'll have another go at 1861. Many thanks, Christine -----Original Message----- From: Maureen Line Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 6:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Dionysius NEWTON and John NEWTON Christine, Dionysius NEWTON is on the 1851 census of Rusholme, Gorton and Openshaw.He is living 80 Ashton? road, Openshaw. His parents are William H. Newton aged 25years -general Manchester and scotch merchant born Manchester, Lancs. His wife is Mary Ann Newton aged 29 years born Bolton, Lancashire The children are William Edward aged 3years, Samuel aged 2years and Dionysius - no age given. There is a servant Mary Ellen Bailey no age given. The children were born Openshaw, Lancs. Hope this helps. Maureen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Benson" <[email protected]> To: "Manchester Mailing List" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 5:14 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Dionysius NEWTON and John NEWTON > Hi All, > > In 1872 Dionysius NEWTON married "my" Fanny HALE. According to the > censuses > he was born in 1850 in Manchester (1881 and 1891), Openshaw (1871) and > Trafford (1901). FreeBMD has him born Chorlton Jan-Mar 1850. > > In 1871 he is a lodger in Tonge and there is also John NEWTON, a lodger. > > In spite of having such a good name to work with I cannot find him in 1851 > and 1861 so cannot find his parents. (Yes, I know I could get his birth > cert. but he is a very distant relation so would prefer not to if > possible.) > > In 1878 "my" Annie Martha HALE (sister of Fanny, above) married John > NEWTON. > He was born 1852, Manchester(1881, 1891, 1901). If he is the same John > NEWTON mentioned above living in Tonge he was born Old Trafford (1871). > > I suspect John is the brother of Dionysius. There is a probable birth for > him Manchester Oct-Dec 1852 but there are other possibilities. > > Can anyone find them in earlier censuses? > > Can anyone prove/disprove the relationship? > > Any other ideas? > > Any descendants out there? > > Any help greatly appreciated. > > Christine > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Christine, Dionysius NEWTON is on the 1851 census of Rusholme, Gorton and Openshaw.He is living 80 Ashton? road, Openshaw. His parents are William H. Newton aged 25years -general Manchester and scotch merchant born Manchester, Lancs. His wife is Mary Ann Newton aged 29 years born Bolton, Lancashire The children are William Edward aged 3years, Samuel aged 2years and Dionysius - no age given. There is a servant Mary Ellen Bailey no age given. The children were born Openshaw, Lancs. Hope this helps. Maureen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Benson" <[email protected]> To: "Manchester Mailing List" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 5:14 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Dionysius NEWTON and John NEWTON > Hi All, > > In 1872 Dionysius NEWTON married "my" Fanny HALE. According to the > censuses > he was born in 1850 in Manchester (1881 and 1891), Openshaw (1871) and > Trafford (1901). FreeBMD has him born Chorlton Jan-Mar 1850. > > In 1871 he is a lodger in Tonge and there is also John NEWTON, a lodger. > > In spite of having such a good name to work with I cannot find him in 1851 > and 1861 so cannot find his parents. (Yes, I know I could get his birth > cert. but he is a very distant relation so would prefer not to if > possible.) > > In 1878 "my" Annie Martha HALE (sister of Fanny, above) married John > NEWTON. > He was born 1852, Manchester(1881, 1891, 1901). If he is the same John > NEWTON mentioned above living in Tonge he was born Old Trafford (1871). > > I suspect John is the brother of Dionysius. There is a probable birth for > him Manchester Oct-Dec 1852 but there are other possibilities. > > Can anyone find them in earlier censuses? > > Can anyone prove/disprove the relationship? > > Any other ideas? > > Any descendants out there? > > Any help greatly appreciated. > > Christine > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Stephanie, I may well end up doing that. But when you multiply up all your ancestors and all their descendants the figure becomes somewhat large! Christine -----Original Message----- From: Stephanie Ray Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 5:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Dionysius NEWTON and John NEWTON If you suspect that his brother John married Annie, in addition to Dionysius marrying Fannie, I would invest in the cert and find out more about the family. Just sayin' :-)

Very good thought Kath but no such luck. Thanks for the suggestion. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Kathryn Hale Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 5:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Dionysius NEWTON and John NEWTON Hi Christine,Have you tried looking for Dennis Newton rather than Dionysius ?I would look for you but I do not have access to the census at the moment. I suggest this as I had the same problem with one of my ancestors Dionysious Law and I found him on some records as DennisGood huntingKath --- On Thu, 16/6/11, Christine Benson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Christine Benson <[email protected]> Subject: [ENG-MAN] Dionysius NEWTON and John NEWTON To: "Manchester Mailing List" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, 16 June, 2011, 17:14 Hi All, In 1872 Dionysius NEWTON married "my" Fanny HALE. According to the censuses he was born in 1850 in Manchester (1881 and 1891), Openshaw (1871) and Trafford (1901). FreeBMD has him born Chorlton Jan-Mar 1850. In 1871 he is a lodger in Tonge and there is also John NEWTON, a lodger. In spite of having such a good name to work with I cannot find him in 1851 and 1861 so cannot find his parents. (Yes, I know I could get his birth cert. but he is a very distant relation so would prefer not to if possible.) In 1878 "my" Annie Martha HALE (sister of Fanny, above) married John NEWTON. He was born 1852, Manchester(1881, 1891, 1901). If he is the same John NEWTON mentioned above living in Tonge he was born Old Trafford (1871). I suspect John is the brother of Dionysius. There is a probable birth for him Manchester Oct-Dec 1852 but there are other possibilities. Can anyone find them in earlier censuses? Can anyone prove/disprove the relationship? Any other ideas? Any descendants out there? Any help greatly appreciated. Christine ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Christine,Have you tried looking for Dennis Newton rather than Dionysius ?I would look for you but I do not have access to the census at the moment. I suggest this as I had the same problem with one of my ancestors Dionysious Law and I found him on some records as DennisGood huntingKath --- On Thu, 16/6/11, Christine Benson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Christine Benson <[email protected]> Subject: [ENG-MAN] Dionysius NEWTON and John NEWTON To: "Manchester Mailing List" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, 16 June, 2011, 17:14 Hi All, In 1872 Dionysius NEWTON married "my" Fanny HALE. According to the censuses he was born in 1850 in Manchester (1881 and 1891), Openshaw (1871) and Trafford (1901). FreeBMD has him born Chorlton Jan-Mar 1850. In 1871 he is a lodger in Tonge and there is also John NEWTON, a lodger. In spite of having such a good name to work with I cannot find him in 1851 and 1861 so cannot find his parents. (Yes, I know I could get his birth cert. but he is a very distant relation so would prefer not to if possible.) In 1878 "my" Annie Martha HALE (sister of Fanny, above) married John NEWTON. He was born 1852, Manchester(1881, 1891, 1901). If he is the same John NEWTON mentioned above living in Tonge he was born Old Trafford (1871). I suspect John is the brother of Dionysius. There is a probable birth for him Manchester Oct-Dec 1852 but there are other possibilities. Can anyone find them in earlier censuses? Can anyone prove/disprove the relationship? Any other ideas? Any descendants out there? Any help greatly appreciated. Christine     ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, In 1872 Dionysius NEWTON married "my" Fanny HALE. According to the censuses he was born in 1850 in Manchester (1881 and 1891), Openshaw (1871) and Trafford (1901). FreeBMD has him born Chorlton Jan-Mar 1850. In 1871 he is a lodger in Tonge and there is also John NEWTON, a lodger. In spite of having such a good name to work with I cannot find him in 1851 and 1861 so cannot find his parents. (Yes, I know I could get his birth cert. but he is a very distant relation so would prefer not to if possible.) In 1878 "my" Annie Martha HALE (sister of Fanny, above) married John NEWTON. He was born 1852, Manchester(1881, 1891, 1901). If he is the same John NEWTON mentioned above living in Tonge he was born Old Trafford (1871). I suspect John is the brother of Dionysius. There is a probable birth for him Manchester Oct-Dec 1852 but there are other possibilities. Can anyone find them in earlier censuses? Can anyone prove/disprove the relationship? Any other ideas? Any descendants out there? Any help greatly appreciated. Christine

If you suspect that his brother John married Annie, in addition to Dionysius marrying Fannie, I would invest in the cert and find out more about the family. Just sayin' :-) On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Christine Benson <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi All, > > In 1872 Dionysius NEWTON married "my" Fanny HALE. According to the censuses > he was born in 1850 in Manchester (1881 and 1891), Openshaw (1871) and > Trafford (1901). FreeBMD has him born Chorlton Jan-Mar 1850. > > In 1871 he is a lodger in Tonge and there is also John NEWTON, a lodger. > > In spite of having such a good name to work with I cannot find him in 1851 > and 1861 so cannot find his parents. (Yes, I know I could get his birth > cert. but he is a very distant relation so would prefer not to if possible.) > > In 1878 "my" Annie Martha HALE (sister of Fanny, above) married John NEWTON. > He was born 1852, Manchester(1881, 1891, 1901). If he is the same John > NEWTON mentioned above living in Tonge he was born Old Trafford (1871). > > I suspect John is the brother of Dionysius. There is a probable birth for > him Manchester Oct-Dec 1852 but there are other possibilities. > > Can anyone find them in earlier censuses? > > Can anyone prove/disprove the relationship? > > Any other ideas? > > Any descendants out there? > > Any help greatly appreciated. > > Christine > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > PLEASE and THANK YOU -- Don't cost a thing and mean so much. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Morning all, I found lots of databases have been added to the OPC site on this morning's visit - http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html - so Happy Hunting! 13 June 2011 Burials 1741 to 1812 from the Church of St Thomas, in the District of Ardwick, Manchester Marriages 1921 to 1933 from Stamford St Methodist New Connexion in the Parish of Ashton under Lyne Marriages 1919 to 1923 from Stamford St Wesleyan Methodist in the Parish of Ashton under Lyne Marriages 1844 and 1857 to 1858 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Blackburn Burials 1881 to 1892 from the Church of St Peter, in the District of Blackley, Manchester Banns 1773 to 1792 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Burnley Baptisms 1862 to 1886 and Burials 1850 to 1876 from the Church of St Clement, in the District of Chorlton-cum-Hardy, Manchester Marriages 1814 to 1900 from the Parish of Claughton Baptisms 1898 to 1900 from the Parish of Fleetwood Burials 1891 to 1895 from the Church of St John the Evangelist in the Parish of Great Marsden Baptisms 1876 to 1879 from the Church of the Holy Trinity in the Parish of Habergham Eaves Baptisms 1840 to 1841 from the Church of St Peter, Liverpool Burials 1810 to 1811 from the Collegiate Church, in the City of Manchester Burials 1801 from St Mary in the City of Manchester Baptisms 1840 to 1900 from the Parish of Mawdesley with Bispham Burials 1739 to 1786 from the Church of St Thomas, Melling near Skelmersdale Marriages 1754 to 1787 from the Parish of Melling in Lonsdale Baptisms 1827 to 1834 from the Parish of Penwortham Completes the Register of Baptisms for 1813 to 1840 Marriages 1873 to 1876 from the Parish of Salesbury Burials 1827 to 1846 from All Saints, Stand in the Parish of Whitefield Burials 1760 to 1803 from the Church of the Good Shepherd, Tatham Fells Baptisms and Marriages 1775 to 1785 and Burials 1778 to 1785 from the Church of St James, Toxteth, Liverpool Burials 1699 to 1730 from St Elphin in the Parish of Warrington Marriages 1915 to 1927 from the Church of the Holy Trinity in the Parish of Warrington Baptisms 1903 to 1922 from the Church of St Luke, in the Parish of Warrington Burials 1733 to 1756 from St Oswald in the Parish of Winwick Regards, Sally