Dear Sally, Rosemary and Wendy You are all so helpful on this list, thank you so much for taking the trouble to help me with all this. I have been doing fh for so many years and still seem to be useless! Before I went to bed last night I had also come to the conclusion that the 1851 family in Bangor were in fact the correct one. I think it was the marriage to Elizabeth BROWN that threw me off the scent. We know she was Elizabeth HOLLAND from Henry Wm's marriage in New York so I thought incorrectly that the Bangor family probably belonged to Elizabeth Brown, especially as we had been told the couple emigrated straight after their marriage - just shows, you can't believe anyone! This William Henry is my husband's great grandfather. Now I need to ascertain whether the whole family or just the 4th child Henry went out to NY. Family search shows his marriage to Harriet Waterson in 1872, New York. One last question, how should I go about making sure that, lets say John (a more common name), who was baptized in the Zion Free Gospel Chapel in 1846 isn't the son of William B & Elizabeth BROWN or do you think this is a mis-transcription and that was really meant to be Elizabeth HOLLAND as we can't find their marriage anywhere? Especially as there don't seem to be any more relevant William & Eliz B's to be found in the census? Sally, thank you also for reminding me about all the OPC Liverpool records available - I completely forgot about them and they are such a wonderful resource! I am away from home and my study at the moment so shall put it down to that! Many thanks again for your help all of you, I am most grateful. Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: sally roberts [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 22 October 2012 13:10 To: englanliverpool Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Outgoing passenger records Liverpool to New York / US BMD & Census records for William BLACKMORE Hi Carolyn, This death reference is shown in England, so perhaps you could have another look round on our census before looking for any passenger records.... Name: Isaac Holland Blackmore Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1855 Registration district: Liverpool Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 177 Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:50:00 +0100 > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Outgoing passenger records Liverpool to New York / > US BMD & Census records for William BLACKMORE > > Please could someone tell me where I can find outgoing passenger > records for about 1839? I have an Ancestry sub but they only appear to > have incoming records. I am looking for a William Blackmore who > supposedly married an Elizabeth Holland in 1839 in Liverpool and > emigrated to New York. They had 7 children there (not proved), Sarah > 1840, William Henry 1843, John 1845, Henry William 1848, Isaac Holland 1854, Thomas 1856, and Amelia 1860. > Unfortunately,

Hi Carolyn, I take it you have sight of William Henry Blackmore on the American census? Does it not give you details of the year that William arrived in the country on them? That way it would enable any searching of sailing schedules to be narrowed down to relevant years. Regards, Sally > Before I went to bed last night I had also come to the conclusion that the > 1851 family in Bangor were in fact the correct one. I think it was the > marriage to Elizabeth BROWN that threw me off the scent. We know she was > Elizabeth HOLLAND from Henry Wm's marriage in New York so I thought > incorrectly that the Bangor family probably belonged to Elizabeth Brown, > especially as we had been told the couple emigrated straight after their > marriage - just shows, you can't believe anyone! This William Henry is my > husband's great grandfather. Now I need to ascertain whether the whole > family or just the 4th child Henry went out to NY. Family search shows his > marriage to Harriet Waterson in 1872, New York.

Hi Sally, No, unfortunately I do not have access to US census. Rosemary kindly sent me the image of an 1880 census entry for a Henry C Blackmore age 30 but I don't think it is him because he is with wife Elizabeth age 22 (he married Harriet in 1872) and daughter Grace, age 1. The only evidence I have for Henry in New York (or any of them for that matter) is from family search which shows the marriage of Henry Blackmore to Harriet Waterson in New York in 1872. I would like to be able to find the birth of their child William Henry too. The tree I was handed down (which has already been shown to have errors) gives his parents as Henry & Harriet and his birth as 1870 which would make him illegitimate though but of course the date on the tree may well be incorrect. Rosemary also very kindly sent me a strong possibility of William & Elizabeth in London, Canada in 1861 but without any children. The only problem is it shows Elizabeth as being 11 years younger than William whereas i thought it was only a couple of years so I am just keeping this one on hold for the moment. Rosemary was also very astute in noticing that the Wm & Eliz Blackmore on the Canadian census were Methodist (if that is what M means). As The Zion Free Gospel Chapel in Liverpool was where their third son John was baptised in 1846 was also Methodist, it does tie in. Kind regards Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: sally roberts [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23 October 2012 16:49 To: englanliverpool Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Outgoing passenger records Liverpool to New York / US BMD & Census records for William BLACKMORE Hi Carolyn, I take it you have sight of William Henry Blackmore on the American census? Does it not give you details of the year that William arrived in the country on them? That way it would enable any searching of sailing schedules to be narrowed down to relevant years. Regards, Sally