Apologies for the confusion, it was late at night by the time I was looking around :o) Have you checked any military information for Harry? Also, I know you said that Mary Clarke didn't come from a wealthy family, but I would have thought that her father being a HM Customs Officer (as per baptismal entry) meant that they would have had a tad more financial stability than most. Unless he died when she was young, of course. Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: RE: [ENG-LIV] Henry Charles LEWIS - Cotton Broker > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:07:08 +0100 > > Sally, > > Thank you for your interest in my query. > > It was the Ormskirk certificate I obtained. It showed the marriage of Sara > to Dr John Drummond of 2, Radnor Place, Liverpool. From this information I > was able to find Sara and husband and children on the 1901 census. Sara and > Dr John then divorced in 1898. > > I have had no success so far in trying to find the children. The obvious one > to look for is Sara Mabel Clarke but there is no record. I have tried all > alternatives: Sarah Mabel, Sara, Sarah, Mabel and also looked for a Sara > Mabel with any surname all to no avail. There are possibles for all 3 > children but I would have to spend a small fortune on certificates to try to > find them. > > By the way, it is Mary who is shown as age 7 months on the 1881, not Mabel. > One clue as to Sara Mabel's birth comes from the record of her death. It is > not shown on her death certificate but the GRO index record on Ancestry > shows that she was born on 30th March 1873. Unfortunately I don't think this > is right as the 1881 census shows her as age 8, 1891 as 18 etc. If her > birthday was on 30th March she would have been 9, 19 etc. > > I have seen the entry for Sara Mabel Lewis on One World Tree and as you say > it has her mother's family wrong. Unfortunately there is no contact > information for whoever submitted the information. > > Regards > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of sally roberts > Sent: 28 June 2012 23:53 > To: englanliverpool > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Henry Charles LEWIS - Cotton Broker > > > Hi David, > > Well this one is a bit of conundrum, isn't it? > > Which marriage certificate did you purchase? Was it Sara Mabel Lewis's > marriage in 1900 in Ormskirk? > > As the children's births can't be found on the civil registration index, I > think it's reasonable to assume that they weren't born under the surname of > Lewis. > > The children, Harry, Mary V and Mabel (which I'm supposing is wrongly > entered on the 1881 census as being 7 months of age, and should be Sara > Mabel born abt 1873/4) could be hers born outside of wedlock under her > maiden name. Or, they could be born to a previous marriage of Mary Fletcher > Clarke, with the husband dying/leaving the marriage shortly after the birth > of their last child, and Mary "marries" again to Henry Lewis, and the > children take his name. > > To be honest, I would concentrate on what you know to exist, rather than > trying to find something you don't, ie the births of the children should be > a priority. > > Ancestry has an entry for a Sara Mabel Lewis on the one world tree section, > but although they have the marriage taking place to John Connell Drummond in > 1900, it states London and not Ormskirk, and the parents are shown to be a > John Lewis and a Moira MacFarland. It may be worth making contact with the > person who has submitted the information to find out where they got their > details from - you might be able to save them from barking up the wrong tree > with the research you have :o) > > Regards, > Sally > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:59:57 +0100 > > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Henry Charles LEWIS - Cotton Broker > > > > Does anyone know anything of a Liverpool cotton broker named Henry > > Charles LEWIS? > > > > The 1881 census shows Mary Fletcher CLARKE born Runcorn in 1847 living > > in Everton with the surname LEWIS and with three children of that > > name. She is described as married but there is no husband with her. > > The 1891 census shows her as a widow. Her death certificate and the > > marriage certificate of her daughter gives her husband as Henry Charles > LEWIS deceased cotton broker. > > > > I can find no record of a marriage of Mary and Henry or of a record of > > his death or any record of him on a census. This leads me to suppose > > that he may have been invented by Mary. The problem with this > > conclusion is that Mary did not come from a family that had any wealth > > but she never appeared to need to do any work and was described as of > > independent means so she had support from someone. > > > > In similar cases I have come to the conclusion that the method of > > achieving 'independent means' may have been less than honourable but > > there are always other circumstances to support this. In this case there > isn't. > > > > Does anyone know of a Henry Charles LEWIS? > > > > David > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > > > The list admin can be contacted at > > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >