My g-grandfather THOMAS KEMP (master mariner) died February 15th 1826 at his home on Blundell Street. He was age 43. He had been to sea much of his adult life and was a capt. of several ships. Burial records for St. Nicholas Church (ref: Burials 1826-pg. 3 entry 474/LDS film # 1068891) state that he was buried by John Pulford, Curate on February 16th 1826. My question is: Is there anyway I can find information about the cause of his death other than purchasing a death certificate? Money is very tight now for me, as I know it is for many others, and if I could avoid having to spend it to purchase a certificate I would perefer to do so. However...if I am SURE that thecause of death would be on the certificate I will get one if that is the only way to find out the information, but I was told that some early certificate did not necessarly state the cause of death. If I do Have to purchase one, how do I go about it? Also, have you any idea where he might have been buried and if there are any sites that would show pictures of tombstones..that I might find his. Thank you Michelle vermont USA

Dear Michelle Just possibly he was prominent enough as a Master Mariner to merit a mention in a local newspaper of the time? It may be worth checking out - unfortunately I no longer have the web address but I'm sure someone on the list will be able to help. Marion Sussex -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michelle Wilson Sent: 23 August 2012 14:02 To: Liverpool web site Subject: [Bulk] [ENG-LIV] A question I need answered, please. My g-grandfather THOMAS KEMP (master mariner) died February 15th 1826 at his home on Blundell Street. He was age 43. He had been to sea much of his adult life and was a capt. of several ships. Burial records for St. Nicholas Church (ref: Burials 1826-pg. 3 entry 474/LDS film # 1068891) state that he was buried by John Pulford, Curate on February 16th 1826. My question is: Is there anyway I can find information about the cause of his death other than purchasing a death certificate? Money is very tight now for me, as I know it is for many others, and if I could avoid having to spend it to purchase a certificate I would perefer to do so. However...if I am SURE that thecause of death would be on the certificate I will get one if that is the only way to find out the information, but I was told that some early certificate did not necessarly state the cause of death. If I do Have to purchase one, how do I go about it? Also, have you any idea where he might have been buried and if there are any sites that would show pictures of tombstones..that I might find his. Thank you Michelle vermont USA ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can't see his death in the Liverpool Mercury for 17th or 24th February 1826 (presume it was weekly) Martin Briscoe Fort William [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marion Charlesworth Sent: 23 August 2012 15:09 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] [Bulk] A question I need answered, please. Dear Michelle Just possibly he was prominent enough as a Master Mariner to merit a mention in a local newspaper of the time? It may be worth checking out - unfortunately I no longer have the web address but I'm sure someone on the list will be able to help. Marion Sussex -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michelle Wilson Sent: 23 August 2012 14:02 To: Liverpool web site Subject: [Bulk] [ENG-LIV] A question I need answered, please. My g-grandfather THOMAS KEMP (master mariner) died February 15th 1826 at his home on Blundell Street. He was age 43. He had been to sea much of his adult life and was a capt. of several ships. Burial records for St. Nicholas Church (ref: Burials 1826-pg. 3 entry 474/LDS film # 1068891) state that he was buried by John Pulford, Curate on February 16th 1826. My question is: Is there anyway I can find information about the cause of his death other than purchasing a death certificate? Money is very tight now for me, as I know it is for many others, and if I could avoid having to spend it to purchase a certificate I would perefer to do so. However...if I am SURE that thecause of death would be on the certificate I will get one if that is the only way to find out the information, but I was told that some early certificate did not necessarly state the cause of death. If I do Have to purchase one, how do I go about it? Also, have you any idea where he might have been buried and if there are any sites that would show pictures of tombstones..that I might find his. Thank you Michelle vermont USA

Hi Michelle, As others have pointed out, death certificates are not available as early as 1826. Burial registers do not generally record causes of death but if the vicar's day book for St Nicholas has survived there might be something recorded there, perhaps worth checking the LDS catalogue although many are likely to have been lost. However, if you do find some sort of record, do bear in mind that diagnosis then was not the precise science it is today. For instance, I have 2 death certificates from 1840, one of which gives the cause of death as dropsy (now regarded as a symptom, not a cause) and the other as rheumatic inflammation. Neither are exactly helpful. Even as late as the 1870s you can find causes such as carbuncle or ague, and it is possible your man succumbed to a disease contracted overseas that was not commonly recognised in the UK. Common diseases such as smallpox would be easily recognised. If his burial is recorded in the registers of St Nicholas, then he would have been buried there unless the register states otherwise. Lesley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Michelle Wilson My g-grandfather THOMAS KEMP (master mariner) died February 15th 1826 at his home on Blundell Street. He was age 43. He had been to sea much of his adult life and was a capt. of several ships. Burial records for St. Nicholas Church (ref: Burials 1826-pg. 3 entry 474/LDS film # 1068891) state that he was buried by John Pulford, Curate on February 16th 1826. My question is: Is there anyway I can find information about the cause of his death other than purchasing a death certificate? Money is very tight now for me, as I know it is for many others, and if I could avoid having to spend it to purchase a certificate I would perefer to do so. However...if I am SURE that thecause of death would be on the certificate I will get one if that is the only way to find out the information, but I was told that some early certificate did not necessarly state the cause of death. If I do Have to purchase one, how do I go about it? Also, have you any idea where he might have been buried and if there are any sites that would show pictures of tombstones..that I might find his. Thank you Michelle vermont USA

G'day Michelle Civil Registration of BDM only began in England on the 1st July 1837. You will therefore not be able to get a Death Certificate from 1826, only the Parish Burial Register record which you say you've already seen on microfilm. It is possible that his death, with a cause, may be recorded in a newspaper. If and when you do need to obtain a Civil Registration BDM certificate, the quickest way is to order it through the General Register Office for England and Wales website. < http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp > The cost is £9.25 which is approx. $15 at the current exchange rates. The GRO accepts Visa and Mastercard. The GRO copy of the certificates is a 'National Copy' of the entry returned by the Register Office of the District in which the BDM event took place. (Occasionally there will be copying errors between the local and national copies of the registers). Certificates can also be obtained through the local Register Office, but these often take much longer to arrive. However, by law, the cost is the same as if they are issued by the GRO. The only permissible exception to this is if they offer a surcharge in order for you to jump the queue and obtain the certificate earlier. Hope this helps David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Michelle Wilson To: Liverpool web site Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] A question I need answered, please. My g-grandfather THOMAS KEMP (master mariner) died February 15th 1826 at his home on Blundell Street. He was age 43. He had been to sea much of his adult life and was a capt. of several ships. Burial records for St. Nicholas Church (ref: Burials 1826-pg. 3 entry 474/LDS film # 1068891) state that he was buried by John Pulford, Curate on February 16th 1826. My question is: Is there anyway I can find information about the cause of his death other than purchasing a death certificate? Money is very tight now for me, as I know it is for many others, and if I could avoid having to spend it to purchase a certificate I would perefer to do so. However...if I am SURE that thecause of death would be on the certificate I will get one if that is the only way to find out the information, but I was told that some early certificate did not necessarly state the cause of death. If I do Have to purchase one, how do I go about it? Also, have you any idea where he might have been buried and if there are any sites that would show pictures of tombstones..that I might find his. Thank you Michelle vermont USA

Thank you David, Would you happen to know what papers were in print in Liverpool at that time that I could scan on line? That's probably the only way I willlearn the cause and also what cemetary he would be in, unless there is a cemetary connected to St. Nicholas that may have his tombstone. Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Armstrong" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] A question I need answered, please. G'day Michelle Civil Registration of BDM only began in England on the 1st July 1837. You will therefore not be able to get a Death Certificate from 1826, only the Parish Burial Register record which you say you've already seen on microfilm. It is possible that his death, with a cause, may be recorded in a newspaper. If and when you do need to obtain a Civil Registration BDM certificate, the quickest way is to order it through the General Register Office for England and Wales website. < http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp > The cost is £9.25 which is approx. $15 at the current exchange rates. The GRO accepts Visa and Mastercard. The GRO copy of the certificates is a 'National Copy' of the entry returned by the Register Office of the District in which the BDM event took place. (Occasionally there will be copying errors between the local and national copies of the registers). Certificates can also be obtained through the local Register Office, but these often take much longer to arrive. However, by law, the cost is the same as if they are issued by the GRO. The only permissible exception to this is if they offer a surcharge in order for you to jump the queue and obtain the certificate earlier. Hope this helps David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Michelle Wilson To: Liverpool web site Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] A question I need answered, please. My g-grandfather THOMAS KEMP (master mariner) died February 15th 1826 at his home on Blundell Street. He was age 43. He had been to sea much of his adult life and was a capt. of several ships. Burial records for St. Nicholas Church (ref: Burials 1826-pg. 3 entry 474/LDS film # 1068891) state that he was buried by John Pulford, Curate on February 16th 1826. My question is: Is there anyway I can find information about the cause of his death other than purchasing a death certificate? Money is very tight now for me, as I know it is for many others, and if I could avoid having to spend it to purchase a certificate I would perefer to do so. However...if I am SURE that thecause of death would be on the certificate I will get one if that is the only way to find out the information, but I was told that some early certificate did not necessarly state the cause of death. If I do Have to purchase one, how do I go about it? Also, have you any idea where he might have been buried and if there are any sites that would show pictures of tombstones..that I might find his. Thank you Michelle vermont USA