On the other hand, I have a death certificate from my gggrandfather - a victualer (sp?) - who died suddenly at 44 of what was clearly a heart attack.I'm not familiar with a vicar's day book. Thanks for the 'something new'. Liz ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Lesley Chaney" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] A question I need answered, please. Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:08:17 +0100 Hi Michelle, As others have pointed out, death certificates are not available as early as 1826. Burial registers do not generally record causes of death but if the vicar's day book for St Nicholas has survived there might be something recorded there, perhaps worth checking the LDS catalogue although many are likely to have been lost. However, if you do find some sort of record, do bear in mind that diagnosis then was not the precise science it is today. For instance, I have 2 death certificates from 1840, one of which gives the cause of death as dropsy (now regarded as a symptom, not a cause) and the other as rheumatic inflammation. Neither are exactly helpful. Even as late as the 1870s you can find causes such as carbuncle or ague, and it is possible your man succumbed to a disease contracted overseas that was not commonly recognised in the UK. Common diseases such as smallpox would be easily recognised. If his burial is recorded in the registers of St Nicholas, then he would have been buried there unless the register states otherwise. Lesley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Michelle Wilson My g-grandfather THOMAS KEMP (master mariner) died February 15th 1826 at his home on Blundell Street. He was age 43. He had been to sea much of his adult life and was a capt. of several ships. Burial records for St. Nicholas Church (ref: Burials 1826-pg. 3 entry 474/LDS film # 1068891) state that he was buried by John Pulford, Curate on February 16th 1826. My question is: Is there anyway I can find information about the cause of his death other than purchasing a death certificate? Money is very tight now for me, as I know it is for many others, and if I could avoid having to spend it to purchase a certificate I would perefer to do so. However...if I am SURE that thecause of death would be on the certificate I will get one if that is the only way to find out the information, but I was told that some early certificate did not necessarly state the cause of death. If I do Have to purchase one, how do I go about it? Also, have you any idea where he might have been buried and if there are any sites that would show pictures of tombstones..that I might find his. Thank you Michelle vermont USA ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ NetZero now offers 4G mobile broadband. Sign up now. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT1

Thank you all for your information and responses.. I wonder if anyone has evermade a recorded search of the graveyard. I know in Dublin and Carlow Ireland volunteers have gone in andf photographed and recorded the text of eachtombstone. This has been a Many years project and very time consuming but certainly great for us seeking out family. If anyone happens across a stone in the St. Nicholas graveyard for a THOMAS FARLEY - age 43-please let me know. Michelle . ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] A question I need answered, please. On the other hand, I have a death certificate from my gggrandfather - a victualer (sp?) - who died suddenly at 44 of what was clearly a heart attack.I'm not familiar with a vicar's day book. Thanks for the 'something new'. Liz ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Lesley Chaney" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] A question I need answered, please. Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:08:17 +0100 Hi Michelle, As others have pointed out, death certificates are not available as early as 1826. Burial registers do not generally record causes of death but if the vicar's day book for St Nicholas has survived there might be something recorded there, perhaps worth checking the LDS catalogue although many are likely to have been lost. However, if you do find some sort of record, do bear in mind that diagnosis then was not the precise science it is today. For instance, I have 2 death certificates from 1840, one of which gives the cause of death as dropsy (now regarded as a symptom, not a cause) and the other as rheumatic inflammation. Neither are exactly helpful. Even as late as the 1870s you can find causes such as carbuncle or ague, and it is possible your man succumbed to a disease contracted overseas that was not commonly recognised in the UK. Common diseases such as smallpox would be easily recognised. If his burial is recorded in the registers of St Nicholas, then he would have been buried there unless the register states otherwise. Lesley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Michelle Wilson My g-grandfather THOMAS KEMP (master mariner) died February 15th 1826 at his home on Blundell Street. He was age 43. He had been to sea much of his adult life and was a capt. of several ships. Burial records for St. Nicholas Church (ref: Burials 1826-pg. 3 entry 474/LDS film # 1068891) state that he was buried by John Pulford, Curate on February 16th 1826. My question is: Is there anyway I can find information about the cause of his death other than purchasing a death certificate? Money is very tight now for me, as I know it is for many others, and if I could avoid having to spend it to purchase a certificate I would perefer to do so. However...if I am SURE that thecause of death would be on the certificate I will get one if that is the only way to find out the information, but I was told that some early certificate did not necessarly state the cause of death. If I do Have to purchase one, how do I go about it? Also, have you any idea where he might have been buried and if there are any sites that would show pictures of tombstones..that I might find his. Thank you Michelle vermont USA ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ NetZero now offers 4G mobile broadband. Sign up now. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT1

Hi Liz, If you have a subscription to Ancestry, have a look at burials in London. I think St Dunstans in the East in Stepney, if I remember correctly, late 1700s/early 1800s, is one church to look at where Ancestry has included entries from the vicar's day book. Look for two entries for the same person to find them. The entries often give cause of death, such as "teeth", along with the cost of the funeral. Also he recorded if there were pall bearers and if the great bell was used, which tells you the deceased was not poor. Fascinating reading. The day book was obviously part of the book-keeping system of the church. I saw several entries where the person had died of "teeth" and I am still scratching my head as to what that would mean in today's terminology! Lesley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 24 August 2012 05:18 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] A question I need answered, please. On the other hand, I have a death certificate from my gggrandfather - a victualer (sp?) - who died suddenly at 44 of what was clearly a heart attack.I'm not familiar with a vicar's day book. Thanks for the 'something new'. Liz

Liz, Probably just an infection caused by tooth decay. They didn't have the luxury of a dental check-up. Sadly, there are quite a few people who still die from untreated tooth infections. Joan On Aug 24, 2012, at 3:39 AM, Lesley Chaney wrote: > Hi Liz, > > If you have a subscription to Ancestry, have a look at burials in London. I > think St Dunstans in the East in Stepney, if I remember correctly, late > 1700s/early 1800s, is one church to look at where Ancestry has included > entries from the vicar's day book. Look for two entries for the same person > to find them. The entries often give cause of death, such as "teeth", along > with the cost of the funeral. Also he recorded if there were pall bearers > and if the great bell was used, which tells you the deceased was not poor. > Fascinating reading. The day book was obviously part of the book-keeping > system of the church. > > I saw several entries where the person had died of "teeth" and I am still > scratching my head as to what that would mean in today's terminology! > > Lesley > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: 24 August 2012 05:18 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] A question I need answered, please. > > > On the other hand, I have a death certificate from my gggrandfather - a > victualer (sp?) - who died suddenly at 44 of what was clearly a heart > attack.I'm not familiar with a vicar's day book. Thanks for the 'something > new'. Liz > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am guessing that someone who died of 'teeth' would be a baby/toddler. In the days when many fevers in very young children were ascribed to teething, it was an apparently logical step to understand the deaths which sometimes resulted from these fevers (the serious/fatal ones of which, of course, were actually extremely unlikely to have been caused by teething) to 'teething'. I have also seen church burial registers in which 'teeth*ing*' was given as the cause of death, along with the age of the person - always (in the ones I've seen) under the age of 2. Does this fit with the entries you're referring to? Maria On 24/08/2012 08:39, Lesley Chaney wrote: > Hi Liz, > > If you have a subscription to Ancestry, have a look at burials in London. I > think St Dunstans in the East in Stepney, if I remember correctly, late > 1700s/early 1800s, is one church to look at where Ancestry has included > entries from the vicar's day book. Look for two entries for the same person > to find them. The entries often give cause of death, such as "teeth", along > with the cost of the funeral. Also he recorded if there were pall bearers > and if the great bell was used, which tells you the deceased was not poor. > Fascinating reading. The day book was obviously part of the book-keeping > system of the church. > > I saw several entries where the person had died of "teeth" and I am still > scratching my head as to what that would mean in today's terminology! > > Lesley > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: 24 August 2012 05:18 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] A question I need answered, please. > > > On the other hand, I have a death certificate from my gggrandfather - a > victualer (sp?) - who died suddenly at 44 of what was clearly a heart > attack.I'm not familiar with a vicar's day book. Thanks for the 'something > new'. Liz > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >