Hi David I have only just picked up on this thread so apologies if I am on the wrong track here. Do you have Mary Fletcher Lewis on the 1911? There is a Mary Fletcher Lewis living with daughter Sara Mabel Drummond, a certified midwife, in Peterborough. Sara states she has been married 10 years although there is no husband listed at the address. She has three children,John, Harry and Mabel McParlane or McFarland Drummond which throws up a conundrum as that name is mentioned by Sally as being on the world tree which you say is the wrong family but it definitely looks like your Mary Fletcher Lewis as it says she was born in Runcorn so there may be a connection to McParlane or McFarland in some way. It's all very curious. I looked for Harry on the 1911 but couldn't find him but he is definitely not at 10 Dundee Grove where he was in 1901. Regards Jen --original message-- > *From:* "David Railton" <[email protected]> > *To:* <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > *Date:* Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:07:08 +0100 > > Sally, > > Thank you for your interest in my query. > > It was the Ormskirk certificate I obtained. It showed the marriage of > Sara > to Dr John Drummond of 2, Radnor Place, Liverpool. From this > information I > was able to find Sara and husband and children on the 1901 census. > Sara and > Dr John then divorced in 1898. > > I have had no success so far in trying to find the children. The > obvious one > to look for is Sara Mabel Clarke but there is no record. I have tried > all > alternatives: Sarah Mabel, Sara, Sarah, Mabel and also looked for a > Sara > Mabel with any surname all to no avail. There are possibles for all 3 > children but I would have to spend a small fortune on certificates to > try to > find them. > > By the way, it is Mary who is shown as age 7 months on the 1881, not > Mabel. > One clue as to Sara Mabel's birth comes from the record of her death. > It is > not shown on her death certificate but the GRO index record on > Ancestry > shows that she was born on 30th March 1873. Unfortunately I don't > think this > is right as the 1881 census shows her as age 8, 1891 as 18 etc. If her > birthday was on 30th March she would have been 9, 19 etc. > > I have seen the entry for Sara Mabel Lewis on One World Tree and as > you say > it has her mother's family wrong. Unfortunately there is no contact > information for whoever submitted the information. > > Regards > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of sally roberts > Sent: 28 June 2012 23:53 > To: englanliverpool > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Henry Charles LEWIS - Cotton Broker > > > Hi David, > > Well this one is a bit of conundrum, isn't it? > > Which marriage certificate did you purchase? Was it Sara Mabel Lewis's > marriage in 1900 in Ormskirk? > > As the children's births can't be found on the civil registration > index, I > think it's reasonable to assume that they weren't born under the > surname of > Lewis. > > The children, Harry, Mary V and Mabel (which I'm supposing is wrongly > entered on the 1881 census as being 7 months of age, and should be > Sara > Mabel born abt 1873/4) could be hers born outside of wedlock under her > maiden name. Or, they could be born to a previous marriage of Mary > Fletcher > Clarke, with the husband dying/leaving the marriage shortly after the > birth > of their last child, and Mary "marries" again to Henry Lewis, and the > children take his name. > > To be honest, I would concentrate on what you know to exist, rather > than > trying to find something you don't, ie the births of the children > should be > a priority. > > Ancestry has an entry for a Sara Mabel Lewis on the one world tree > section, > but although they have the marriage taking place to John Connell > Drummond in > 1900, it states London and not Ormskirk, and the parents are shown to > be a > John Lewis and a Moira MacFarland. It may be worth making contact > with the > person who has submitted the information to find out where they got > their > details from - you might be able to save them from barking up the > wrong tree > with the research you have :o) > > Regards, > Sally > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:59:57 +0100 > > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Henry Charles LEWIS - Cotton Broker > > > > Does anyone know anything of a Liverpool cotton broker named Henry > > Charles LEWIS? > > > > The 1881 census shows Mary Fletcher CLARKE born Runcorn in 1847 > > living in Everton with the surname LEWIS and with three children of > > that name. She is described as married but there is no husband with > > her. The 1891 census shows her as a widow. Her death certificate > > and the marriage certificate of her daughter gives her husband as > > Henry Charles > LEWIS deceased cotton broker. > > > > I can find no record of a marriage of Mary and Henry or of a record > > of his death or any record of him on a census. This leads me to > > suppose that he may have been invented by Mary. The problem with > > this conclusion is that Mary did not come from a family that had > > any wealth but she never appeared to need to do any work and was > > described as of independent means so she had support from someone. > > > > In similar cases I have come to the conclusion that the method of > > achieving 'independent means' may have been less than honourable > > but there are always other circumstances to support this. 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