Hello Elizabeth, This is a very long shot, based simply on the fact that Hatton is not such a common name, and you say that Mary Hatton was your gggmother, which makes the dates just about OK for me. My gggmother was Margery Hatton, who married my gggfather Robert Lloyd on 29 Dec 1799 at Liverpool St Anne. I know a bit about Robert Lloyd, but nothing at all about Margery. My family history is fallow at the moment, as for various reasons I don't have time to do anything on it at present. But I keep an eye on the Liverpool Rootsweb list, and your message caught my attention. Are the dates anything like right? Could Mary and Margery be sisters? I'd be interested to hear from you. Maybe we can help each other. Regards, David Jones On 18/08/2014 07:55, Elizabeth Kraus via wrote: > Hello fellow listers > I've recently returned from a trip to the UK. It included a visit to > Liverpool, albeit short it was lovely to return...my first visit was in > 2010. At that time I knew little of my family connections. Since then I've > discovered that my great great grandmother Mary Hatton and her siblings were > born there! Several listers helped me find them and more - to whom I am > eternally grateful. > > This time my plan was twofold. To find the plaque in/on the pavement in > Church Street, which denotes the site of St Peter's Church and take a trip > across the Mersey. Yes I accomplished both and more! Firstly the plaque - > opposite Marks and Spencer next to a signpost directing all to other > Liverpool sights and directly in front of the entrance to the huge shopping > centre Liverpool One - thanks also to those who assisted me and shared in my > special moment! The trip across the Mersey was wonderful as I took the full > journey visiting the ports of Seacombe and Woodside too...again thanks to > the great commentaries and the ladies who sang 'The Ferry across the Mersey' > and made my day! > > And the more...I was heading back to my hotel and it was getting late, when > I heard the bells of St Nicholas. Though drawn to stop and listen I didn't > retrace my steps nor could I visit the next day as I was travelling to Isle > of Man by ferry. However later that evening I asked the receptionist at the > hotel for help. We discovered, thanks to Wikipedia, that indeed I should > have! On the south side is the 'Chapel of St Peter, commemorating the old > co-parish church of St Peter's, which stood on Church Street. The 18th > century wooden table was once the altar there'. Any further information > would be much appreciated. Would it be possible for a local lister to please > send me a photo of St Nicholas, the Chapel of St Peter and the wooden table? > > I also discovered a street named 'Hatton Gardens', which is now residential. > What are its origins? As I'm searching for information on my Hatton family, > it could well add another dimension. > > There's something very special about Liverpool. I always feel so > welcome...not a tourist but as if I belong there. It's amazing because there > are very few places in the world I feel the same! > > Hoping someone can help. > Kind regards > Elizabeth > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
And of course there is the notorious Derek Hatton still in Liverpool. Bill in Nanaimo -----Original Message----- From: David Jones via Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 6:27 AM To: Elizabeth Kraus ; eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] St Nicholas & St Peters Churches Hello Elizabeth, This is a very long shot, based simply on the fact that Hatton is not such a common name, and you say that Mary Hatton was your gggmother, which makes the dates just about OK for me. My gggmother was Margery Hatton, who married my gggfather Robert Lloyd on 29 Dec 1799 at Liverpool St Anne. I know a bit about Robert Lloyd, but nothing at all about Margery. My family history is fallow at the moment, as for various reasons I don't have time to do anything on it at present. But I keep an eye on the Liverpool Rootsweb list, and your message caught my attention. Are the dates anything like right? Could Mary and Margery be sisters? I'd be interested to hear from you. Maybe we can help each other. Regards, David Jones On 18/08/2014 07:55, Elizabeth Kraus via wrote: > Hello fellow listers > I've recently returned from a trip to the UK. It included a visit to > Liverpool, albeit short it was lovely to return...my first visit was in > 2010. At that time I knew little of my family connections. Since then I've > discovered that my great great grandmother Mary Hatton and her siblings > were > born there! Several listers helped me find them and more - to whom I am > eternally grateful. > > This time my plan was twofold. To find the plaque in/on the pavement in > Church Street, which denotes the site of St Peter's Church and take a trip > across the Mersey. Yes I accomplished both and more! Firstly the plaque - > opposite Marks and Spencer next to a signpost directing all to other > Liverpool sights and directly in front of the entrance to the huge > shopping > centre Liverpool One - thanks also to those who assisted me and shared in > my > special moment! The trip across the Mersey was wonderful as I took the > full > journey visiting the ports of Seacombe and Woodside too...again thanks to > the great commentaries and the ladies who sang 'The Ferry across the > Mersey' > and made my day! > > And the more...I was heading back to my hotel and it was getting late, > when > I heard the bells of St Nicholas. Though drawn to stop and listen I didn't > retrace my steps nor could I visit the next day as I was travelling to > Isle > of Man by ferry. However later that evening I asked the receptionist at > the > hotel for help. We discovered, thanks to Wikipedia, that indeed I should > have! On the south side is the 'Chapel of St Peter, commemorating the old > co-parish church of St Peter's, which stood on Church Street. The 18th > century wooden table was once the altar there'. Any further information > would be much appreciated. Would it be possible for a local lister to > please > send me a photo of St Nicholas, the Chapel of St Peter and the wooden > table? > > I also discovered a street named 'Hatton Gardens', which is now > residential. > What are its origins? As I'm searching for information on my Hatton > family, > it could well add another dimension. > > There's something very special about Liverpool. I always feel so > welcome...not a tourist but as if I belong there. It's amazing because > there > are very few places in the world I feel the same! > > Hoping someone can help. > Kind regards > Elizabeth > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
To the people in my area of l'pool he was and will be a hero ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Gard" <bill_gard@telus.net> To: "David Jones" <davidjones163@btinternet.com>; "Elizabeth Kraus" <greliz7@bigpond.com>; <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] St Nicholas & St Peters Churches > And of course there is the notorious Derek Hatton still in Liverpool. > > Bill in Nanaimo > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Jones via > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 6:27 AM > To: Elizabeth Kraus ; eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] St Nicholas & St Peters Churches > > Hello Elizabeth, > This is a very long shot, based simply on the fact that Hatton is not > such a common name, and you say that Mary Hatton was your gggmother, > which makes the dates just about OK for me. My gggmother was Margery > Hatton, who married my gggfather Robert Lloyd on 29 Dec 1799 at > Liverpool St Anne. I know a bit about Robert Lloyd, but nothing at all > about Margery. My family history is fallow at the moment, as for various > reasons I don't have time to do anything on it at present. But I keep an > eye on the Liverpool Rootsweb list, and your message caught my > attention. Are the dates anything like right? Could Mary and Margery be > sisters? I'd be interested to hear from you. Maybe we can help each other. > > Regards, > David Jones > > On 18/08/2014 07:55, Elizabeth Kraus via wrote: >> Hello fellow listers >> I've recently returned from a trip to the UK. It included a visit to >> Liverpool, albeit short it was lovely to return...my first visit was in >> 2010. At that time I knew little of my family connections. Since then >> I've >> discovered that my great great grandmother Mary Hatton and her siblings >> were >> born there! Several listers helped me find them and more - to whom I am >> eternally grateful. >> >> This time my plan was twofold. To find the plaque in/on the pavement in >> Church Street, which denotes the site of St Peter's Church and take a >> trip >> across the Mersey. Yes I accomplished both and more! Firstly the plaque - >> opposite Marks and Spencer next to a signpost directing all to other >> Liverpool sights and directly in front of the entrance to the huge >> shopping >> centre Liverpool One - thanks also to those who assisted me and shared in >> my >> special moment! The trip across the Mersey was wonderful as I took the >> full >> journey visiting the ports of Seacombe and Woodside too...again thanks to >> the great commentaries and the ladies who sang 'The Ferry across the >> Mersey' >> and made my day! >> >> And the more...I was heading back to my hotel and it was getting late, >> when >> I heard the bells of St Nicholas. Though drawn to stop and listen I >> didn't >> retrace my steps nor could I visit the next day as I was travelling to >> Isle >> of Man by ferry. However later that evening I asked the receptionist at >> the >> hotel for help. We discovered, thanks to Wikipedia, that indeed I should >> have! On the south side is the 'Chapel of St Peter, commemorating the old >> co-parish church of St Peter's, which stood on Church Street. The 18th >> century wooden table was once the altar there'. Any further information >> would be much appreciated. Would it be possible for a local lister to >> please >> send me a photo of St Nicholas, the Chapel of St Peter and the wooden >> table? >> >> I also discovered a street named 'Hatton Gardens', which is now >> residential. >> What are its origins? As I'm searching for information on my Hatton >> family, >> it could well add another dimension. >> >> There's something very special about Liverpool. I always feel so >> welcome...not a tourist but as if I belong there. It's amazing because >> there >> are very few places in the world I feel the same! >> >> Hoping someone can help. >> Kind regards >> Elizabeth >> >> >> >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No >> fees! >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
Hello David Thank you so much for your information. I had at the OPC records for Lancashire for Hattons. There are quite a few...and they worshipped at a number of different churches! Thomas Hatton, a wine merchant was in Liverpool from at least 1800 when he married Mary Connor in St Peter's Church. They had 8 children between 1801 and 1814 and my great great grandmother Mary Ann was the eldest. Whether Thomas (my 3xgreat grandfather) was/is indeed related to your Margery as yet I don't know. I found amongst the OPC records 6 children born to Robert and Margery Lloyd between 1800 and 1811 - Henry 1800, Ann 1803, Henry 1806, Robert 1808, Thomas 1810 and Robert 1811. Robert was a joiner. However what is interesting is though that I found 2 additional Hatton marriages between 1797 and 1801 which appear to be related to your family. 21 Feb 1800 at St Anne Richmond - Joseph Hatton, sailmaker married Mary Cazzaretto (widow) - no children. 19 Oct 1800 again at St Anne Richmond Robert Morley, mariner married Margaret Hatton - 1 child Robert born 1804 after his father's death. In all 3 cases Thomas Wright was one of the witnesses. The UK Genuki site has an interesting article on St Anne Richmond, though now demolished. It seems to have been in the Everton area of Liverpool, whereas my family worshipped in more central churches of St Peter and St Phillip. However all the Hattons could well be connected if we could just find the link! regards Elizabeth (Victoria, Australia) -----Original Message----- From: David Jones Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 11:27 PM To: Elizabeth Kraus ; eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] St Nicholas & St Peters Churches Hello Elizabeth, This is a very long shot, based simply on the fact that Hatton is not such a common name, and you say that Mary Hatton was your gggmother, which makes the dates just about OK for me. My gggmother was Margery Hatton, who married my gggfather Robert Lloyd on 29 Dec 1799 at Liverpool St Anne. I know a bit about Robert Lloyd, but nothing at all about Margery. My family history is fallow at the moment, as for various reasons I don't have time to do anything on it at present. But I keep an eye on the Liverpool Rootsweb list, and your message caught my attention. Are the dates anything like right? Could Mary and Margery be sisters? I'd be interested to hear from you. Maybe we can help each other. Regards, David Jones On 18/08/2014 07:55, Elizabeth Kraus via wrote: > Hello fellow listers > I've recently returned from a trip to the UK. It included a visit to > Liverpool, albeit short it was lovely to return...my first visit was in > 2010. At that time I knew little of my family connections. Since then I've > discovered that my great great grandmother Mary Hatton and her siblings > were > born there! Several listers helped me find them and more - to whom I am > eternally grateful. > > This time my plan was twofold. To find the plaque in/on the pavement in > Church Street, which denotes the site of St Peter's Church and take a trip > across the Mersey. Yes I accomplished both and more! Firstly the plaque - > opposite Marks and Spencer next to a signpost directing all to other > Liverpool sights and directly in front of the entrance to the huge > shopping > centre Liverpool One - thanks also to those who assisted me and shared in > my > special moment! The trip across the Mersey was wonderful as I took the > full > journey visiting the ports of Seacombe and Woodside too...again thanks to > the great commentaries and the ladies who sang 'The Ferry across the > Mersey' > and made my day! > > And the more...I was heading back to my hotel and it was getting late, > when > I heard the bells of St Nicholas. Though drawn to stop and listen I didn't > retrace my steps nor could I visit the next day as I was travelling to > Isle > of Man by ferry. However later that evening I asked the receptionist at > the > hotel for help. We discovered, thanks to Wikipedia, that indeed I should > have! On the south side is the 'Chapel of St Peter, commemorating the old > co-parish church of St Peter's, which stood on Church Street. The 18th > century wooden table was once the altar there'. Any further information > would be much appreciated. Would it be possible for a local lister to > please > send me a photo of St Nicholas, the Chapel of St Peter and the wooden > table? > > I also discovered a street named 'Hatton Gardens', which is now > residential. > What are its origins? As I'm searching for information on my Hatton > family, > it could well add another dimension. > > There's something very special about Liverpool. I always feel so > welcome...not a tourist but as if I belong there. It's amazing because > there > are very few places in the world I feel the same! > > Hoping someone can help. > Kind regards > Elizabeth > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hello Elizabeth You might be interested to know that in my copy of Gores Liverpool Directory for 1821 there are 13 Hattons listed ,, 2 Josephs one a Sail Maker also Thomas liquor merchants,St Peters Church was also thesite of a F W Woolworths store I think the first in England ,I remember a brass cross on the kerb stone in the 40,s ,Hattons where of course famous in the time of Elizabeth the 1st John Maddocks New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Kraus Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 11:12 AM To: David Jones ; eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] St Nicholas & St Peters Churches Hello David Thank you so much for your information. I had at the OPC records for Lancashire for Hattons. There are quite a few...and they worshipped at a number of different churches! Thomas Hatton, a wine merchant was in Liverpool from at least 1800 when he married Mary Connor in St Peter's Church. They had 8 children between 1801 and 1814 and my great great grandmother Mary Ann was the eldest. Whether Thomas (my 3xgreat grandfather) was/is indeed related to your Margery as yet I don't know. I found amongst the OPC records 6 children born to Robert and Margery Lloyd between 1800 and 1811 - Henry 1800, Ann 1803, Henry 1806, Robert 1808, Thomas 1810 and Robert 1811. Robert was a joiner. However what is interesting is though that I found 2 additional Hatton marriages between 1797 and 1801 which appear to be related to your family. 21 Feb 1800 at St Anne Richmond - Joseph Hatton, sailmaker married Mary Cazzaretto (widow) - no children. 19 Oct 1800 again at St Anne Richmond Robert Morley, mariner married Margaret Hatton - 1 child Robert born 1804 after his father's death. In all 3 cases Thomas Wright was one of the witnesses. The UK Genuki site has an interesting article on St Anne Richmond, though now demolished. It seems to have been in the Everton area of Liverpool, whereas my family worshipped in more central churches of St Peter and St Phillip. However all the Hattons could well be connected if we could just find the link! regards Elizabeth (Victoria, Australia) -----Original Message----- From: David Jones Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 11:27 PM To: Elizabeth Kraus ; eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] St Nicholas & St Peters Churches Hello Elizabeth, This is a very long shot, based simply on the fact that Hatton is not such a common name, and you say that Mary Hatton was your gggmother, which makes the dates just about OK for me. My gggmother was Margery Hatton, who married my gggfather Robert Lloyd on 29 Dec 1799 at Liverpool St Anne. I know a bit about Robert Lloyd, but nothing at all about Margery. My family history is fallow at the moment, as for various reasons I don't have time to do anything on it at present. But I keep an eye on the Liverpool Rootsweb list, and your message caught my attention. Are the dates anything like right? Could Mary and Margery be sisters? I'd be interested to hear from you. Maybe we can help each other. Regards, David Jones On 18/08/2014 07:55, Elizabeth Kraus via wrote: > Hello fellow listers > I've recently returned from a trip to the UK. It included a visit to > Liverpool, albeit short it was lovely to return...my first visit was in > 2010. At that time I knew little of my family connections. Since then I've > discovered that my great great grandmother Mary Hatton and her siblings > were > born there! Several listers helped me find them and more - to whom I am > eternally grateful. > > This time my plan was twofold. To find the plaque in/on the pavement in > Church Street, which denotes the site of St Peter's Church and take a trip > across the Mersey. Yes I accomplished both and more! Firstly the plaque - > opposite Marks and Spencer next to a signpost directing all to other > Liverpool sights and directly in front of the entrance to the huge > shopping > centre Liverpool One - thanks also to those who assisted me and shared in > my > special moment! The trip across the Mersey was wonderful as I took the > full > journey visiting the ports of Seacombe and Woodside too...again thanks to > the great commentaries and the ladies who sang 'The Ferry across the > Mersey' > and made my day! > > And the more...I was heading back to my hotel and it was getting late, > when > I heard the bells of St Nicholas. Though drawn to stop and listen I didn't > retrace my steps nor could I visit the next day as I was travelling to > Isle > of Man by ferry. However later that evening I asked the receptionist at > the > hotel for help. We discovered, thanks to Wikipedia, that indeed I should > have! On the south side is the 'Chapel of St Peter, commemorating the old > co-parish church of St Peter's, which stood on Church Street. The 18th > century wooden table was once the altar there'. Any further information > would be much appreciated. Would it be possible for a local lister to > please > send me a photo of St Nicholas, the Chapel of St Peter and the wooden > table? > > I also discovered a street named 'Hatton Gardens', which is now > residential. > What are its origins? As I'm searching for information on my Hatton > family, > it could well add another dimension. > > There's something very special about Liverpool. I always feel so > welcome...not a tourist but as if I belong there. It's amazing because > there > are very few places in the world I feel the same! > > Hoping someone can help. > Kind regards > Elizabeth > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >