I have some time to put down the information I am trying to find.......don't get a lot of spare time at the moment. My Grandfather Edward Evans was born in Wrexham, Wales, between 1855-1860. The discrepancy in birthdates is that on his death cert and that on census, so giving it a wide birth. The earliest I can find Edward in Liverpool - Toxteth Park is 1882 where he lived with my Gt. Grandmother Ellen (Helena Rosina Carpenter), their first son was born 1882. In 1889 they were still living in Toxteth Park when my grandfather Albert Martin was born. 1891 census Edward, Ellen were living in Kirkdale. 1895 they are living in Bootle when another son, Walter James was born. 1901 sees some of the family living at 7 "The Barracks"in West Derby. Twin Daughters Sarah Ester and Ellen included. The twins died within a short time of each other in August of 1901. It wasn't till 1907, that Edward & Ellen (Helena Rosina Carpenter) were married at St. Marys Kirkdale. Helena's sister Esther Amelia was a witness, she also got married that same day and Edward and Ellen were witnesses for them. The marriage certificate for Edward & Ellen has both being spinster and Batchelor, so, it appears they were not married previously. Edward's father Thomas Evans......no occupation. I have the Carpenter history. In 1911 census Edward Ellen, Walter & Thomas are living in Clifford St. Bootle. Note that the no of children born 17, 5 survived. Geo Edward, Albert Martin, Edward, Walter James & Thomas Alfred. I have all 5 birth certs and 4 death certs. Edward (jnr) being the one whose death is still to be found. I have managed to finally find Edward's (snr) death, earlier this year in August 1915. He died at Walton Workhouse. At the time of his death they had been living at 14 Spring Grove, found this info in the electoral rolls at Crosby Library. Also address on Ellen & Edward (snr) death cert. Ellen died 1945. I would dearly love to know where Edward (snr) is buried. I have contacted Thornton Garden of rest and he is not buried there, as is Ellen and son Thomas Alfred their youngest. I am only presuming now that he possibly was buried at Walton cemetery, which is of course now a farm and aware that records for that period are pretty sketchy. Visited Rice Farm when I was in UK. If anyone can advise me of any other possibilities I would be most greatful. I am still also looking for information on Edward (jnr) and Thomas Alfred. Edward (jnr) was born July 1891 in Bootle. (birth cert) Correct Parents etc) 1911 Census Edward (jnr) is a carter Cartman for a fish dealer. When at the Crosby Library I found electoral rolls indicating that Edward (jnr) was living with Ellen (mother) for a short time 1918/19 at 14 Spring Grove. Beside his name was N.M. This abbreviation is Navy or Military. I have searched Merchant Navy records including having contact with Merchant Navy records at Sth Hampton, but to no avail. I have also checked military records but unable to make headways their either. It is interesting that Edward appears to be the only son who had a single name, all others including the twins had two names. So I am wondering if the birth certificate has his second name missing?? thus making it difficult to find just which Edward I am looking for. What has happened to Edward Jnr??? Thomas Alfred born December 1901. I have been given a photo of a young sailor from family, with writing on the back Uncle Alfie Evans. I suspect that this is Thomas Alfred as Edward (snr) father was Thomas. Again I have checked Merchant Navy and Naval records but not found anything for Thomas Alfred. Walter James Evans was in the Merchant Navy and have information on him. Walter's son, also Walter James was in the Merchant Navy also. I have a death cert for Thomas Alfred June, 1933. On the cert the wife is the informant. Her name Alice. Thomas lived with Ellen for some time and then in 1929/30 Alice & Thomas are living with Ellen at 14 Spring Grove. 1924 has Alice & Thomas living at 24 Sandy Lane which is the address on Thomas's death cert. I feel I am on the right track with the death cert now. Where then, did Alice & Thomas marry and when??? I have searched and searched for this marriage and again have not been able to find anything. Did they marry?? Even the librarians at Crosby Library have struggled with this marriage. Could they have been married outside of the Liverpool area?? Edward Snr was a Slater's Labourer and sometimes the certificates have him only as a labourer. I am more than confident I have all the correct information from certificates. My grandfather's death certificate of course gives much more information. He died here in New Zealand and his mothers full name and his fathers name and where each was born is on the certificate...........wish all were like that. Well that is my story and hope I haven't confused anyone. Get a little confused myself at times :-) So, if anyone can help out with Edward (jnr) and Thomas Alfred I would be most greatful. Thank you. Barbara Christchurch, NZ --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com